Flat Earth Debunked?

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What a silly video! Care to explain just what you are trying to prove with it.

But "Before Its Too Late" for what? To realise how ridiculous the whole idea of a flat earth really is!
You don't have, just for starters:

• A sun that explains sunrises and sunsets in appearance timing or direction.
• A moon that explains phases and eclipses.
• A map with correct distances and directions.

And all the rest.
From what I have seen, the "evidence" for your flatter than a pancake earth boils down to "the horizon looks flat".
Then you have to scrabble around looking for excuses for the numerous things that will not fit.

Guess what!  The horizon on the Globe should look flat till you reach a very high altitude.

So, just what will it be too late for?

Quote from: beforeitstoolate on September 21, 2017, 06:36:14 PM

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth Mixtape : Flat Earth Debunked? Before Its Too Late

What a silly video! Care to explain just what you are trying to prove with it.

But "Before Its Too Late" for what? To realise how ridiculous the whole idea of a flat earth really is!
You don't have, just for starters:

• A sun that explains sunrises and sunsets in appearance timing or direction.
• A moon that explains phases and eclipses.
• A map with correct distances and directions.

And all the rest.
From what I have seen, the "evidence" for your flatter than a pancake earth boils down to "the horizon looks flat".
Then you have to scrabble around looking for excuses for the numerous things that will not fit.

Guess what!  The horizon on the Globe should look flat till you reach a very high altitude.

So, just what will it be too late for?

Just:
A map :
(Period) And produce just one map that is accurate and not just a projection of the globe such as the Unipolar or Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections.
The horizon :
(Period) Such as where would the horizon be on a flat and earth and since there is no curvature of the earth on a flat earth how would you figure the distance to which it appears.
And all the rest.
 

Just:
A map :
(Period) And produce just one map that is accurate and not just a projection of the globe such as the Unipolar or Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections.
The horizon :
(Period) Such as where would the horizon be on a flat and earth and since there is no curvature of the earth on a flat earth how would you figure the distance to which it appears.
And all the rest.

It's amazing what you can find with a bit of searching. Here is one of the many thousands of maps of the flat earth you can see if you bothered to look



Before you mock it, show me a map of the globe that can be put onto a 2D surface that is perfect. No exaggerations, no distortions and no anomalies

Quote from: Googleotomy on September 21, 2017, 08:04:19 PM

Just:
A map :
(Period) And produce just one map that is accurate and not just a projection of the globe such as the Unipolar or Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections.
The horizon :
(Period) Such as where would the horizon be on a flat and earth and since there is no curvature of the earth on a flat earth how would you figure the distance to which it appears.
And all the rest.

It's amazing what you can find with a bit of searching. Here is one of the many thousands of maps of the flat earth you can see if you bothered to look



Before you mock it, show me a map of the globe that can be put onto a 2D surface that is perfect. No exaggerations, no distortions and no anomalies

You obviously know that all 2d maps of earth are flawed, ever wonder why?
Well it is impossible to make a completely accurate 2d map of a globe.

What's the Flatter's excuse?
Why is it so hard to make a 2d map of a flat surface?

It isn't hard. I just gave you one. There are thousands more if you search. Thousands!!!! 

It isn't hard. I just gave you one. There are thousands more if you search. Thousands!!!! 

Excellent, does that mean you can give us one that accurately represents distances for a FE? If the Earth is flat then it must exist!

Quote from: Googleotomy on September 21, 2017, 08:04:19 PM

Just:
A map :
(Period) And produce just one map that is accurate and not just a projection of the globe such as the Unipolar or Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections.
The horizon :
(Period) Such as where would the horizon be on a flat and earth and since there is no curvature of the earth on a flat earth how would you figure the distance to which it appears.
And all the rest.

It's amazing what you can find with a bit of searching. Here is one of the many thousands of maps of the flat earth you can see if you bothered to look



Before you mock it, show me a map of the globe that can be put onto a 2D surface that is perfect. No exaggerations, no distortions and no anomalies

Those are not maps they are projections and guesses about flat earth. To date flat earth has no working map. Flat earth is 2D so why is there no FE map after centuries? The lack of a fully working flat earth map is the only thing needed to debunk FE. All the other things like sun/moon,space,ice wall,dome,etc mean nothing and are secondary debates being just moot. Without a map that coincides with known distances, directions, and works with a compass and the stars flat earth loses in the first round.

No map is perfect. But it just seems odd watching you on your side of the fence, demand the other side get's their shit sorted when your own side has its problems

The beauty of flat earth maps is that they can be anything you want them to be. No rules, no boring math to get in the way

You want an Ice wall? You got it  Or maybe not. That's OK too 

Dome? Or no dome?

Bipolar? Dual Earth? Australia a funny shape? Hey, no ones judging here

It's all up to you. So stop your bitching and nit picking and just pick one!!

Quote from: Googleotomy on September 21, 2017, 08:04:19 PM

Just:
A map :
(Period) And produce just one map that is accurate and not just a projection of the globe such as the Unipolar or Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projections.
The horizon :
(Period) Such as where would the horizon be on a flat and earth and since there is no curvature of the earth on a flat earth how would you figure the distance to which it appears.
And all the rest.

It's amazing what you can find with a bit of searching. Here is one of the many thousands of maps of the flat earth you can see if you bothered to look

You've hit the nail on the head, thanks!

If the earth is flat, then a flat map of the flat earth is simply a scaled diagram of that flat earth.
But nobody has yet come up with any such flat earth map and that in my opinion is excellent evidence that the earth cannot be flat.

Before you mock it, show me a map of the globe that can be put onto a 2D surface that is perfect. No exaggerations, no distortions and no anomalies

There is no mystery there. There is no possible way to represent the surface if a sphere on a flat surface with no distortion.
This is the reason for the large number of map projection's of the Globe.
Each projection has some advantages an some disadvantages, some distort distances, areas or angles.

This is a general account of map projections Wikipedia, Map projection
Here is an incomplete list of map projections Wikipedia, List of map projections.

So the whole problem is that flat earthers come up with so many different maps, such as these: The following are maps that various Flat Earth Society members believe to be the true flat earth "continental layout":


But none of these maps fit with the real world.

No map is perfect. But it just seems odd watching you on your side of the fence, demand the other side get's their shit sorted when your own side has its problems

That is totally misleading.
The most accurate "map" of the Globe is the computer based representation and that can locate places to within a few metres.
The accuracy of flat maps of the Globe depends on the area covered and the projection used.

But the various flat earth maps are inherently grossly in error. For example the ice-wall map grossly exaggerates east to west distance's.

Look at this:

As you can see the on both the "Ice Wall Map" and the "Gleason's Map" the shape of Australia is grossly distorted, with the East-West distance on the "Ice Wall Map" and "Gleason Map" being 8,700 km compared to a more accurate distance of 3,700 km. The distances on the "Ice Wall Map" and  "Gleason's Map" are estimated by comparing the lengths with the Equator to North Pole taken as 10,000 km.
The North-South distances agree very well, but E-W distances are grossly in error - All the distances have been rounded to the nearest 100 km.

I know the column labelled "Garmin" is correct as I have driven over much of that area (yes all the way from west to east, though not ON the 30° Lat). I have personally checked the maps, the car oddo and the "Garmin" (GPS) and all are in good agreement.

In any case, the errors are so great that there is not the slightest chance of its being caused simply by "measuring error".

The whole point is that if the earth were flat, distances could be scaled (or easily calculated from lat/long) from the straight line lengths on the flat map.
But, on the Globe, the distance scaled from a map will always have some error due to the projection distortion.

The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection has the particular properties that all distances and directions from the centre of projection (the North Pole for the "UN map") are undistorted,
but most other distances and directions are distorted, some grossly so.

If you complain that these distances are from that "terrible" Google Earth, here is an map surveyed before 1855.
All I can do on that map is to measure distances the old way - measure distances from the map, but the same distances are close with 3659 km along the 30° parallel latitude.

The beauty of flat earth maps is that they can be anything you want them to be. No rules, no boring math to get in the way

An accurate map With correct angles and distances is very important for navigation.

You want an Ice wall? You got it  Or maybe not. That's OK too 

Dome? Or no dome?

Bipolar? Dual Earth? Australia a funny shape? Hey, no ones judging here

You are joking, I hope! "Australia a funny shape?"
I live in Australia, I know its size and I'm certainly judging maps that are grossly in error.

It's all up to you. So stop your bitching and nit picking and just pick one!!

So often various flat earthers make the ridiculous claim that soon everyone will "know" that the earth is flat.

That will never happen until there is an accurate flat earth map and
Ask any competent geodetic surveyor!  Maybe that's why flat earth conspiratards regard all geodetic surveyor! as Freemasons 

Sure, play around with flat earth ideas and maps, but neither work for the real world.

The dutch again....discovered.....uh something that looks according to Abel Tasman like this after all ?


This ?


 

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

After all of these years, you still have not figured out how to use google? 

I have lots of flat maps.

If you want your maps to be flat simply bring them up on your flat screen.

You might note that it is the "Globe Coronelli Map of New Holland"!

The dutch again....discovered.....uh something that looks according to Abel Tasman like this after all ?

This ?

Sure looks like:
Agreed, the Dutch did a lot of exploration in this region and mapped a lot of the west coast of Australia and New Guinea.
Hence we have Tasmania and the Tasman Sea.

In fact, the first European "settlers" were some 300 shipwrecked crew and passengers of East India Company ships over almost a century, though all seem to have disappeared even though the East India Company go to great lengths to recover survivors.

So many ships were wrecked on the WA coast because the sailing directions were more or less "on leaving the Cape of Good Hope proceed west for xxx days then hang a hard left".
The trouble they did not have accurate clocks nor knew the Roaring Forties wind speeds.
To make matters worse there are hidden reefs extending hundreds of kilometres from the coast - end result some 1400 wrecks, though not that many were Dutch - maybe they were more careful.

But the part actually mapped seems to match modern Australia fairly well, considering the primitive navigation instruments they had back there.

But they certainly believed the earth was a Globe back there, otherwise, we would hardly have had all the map projections

Gerardus Mercator
Gerardus Mercator (5 March 1512 – 2 December 1594) was a 16th-century German-Flemish cartographer, geographer and cosmographer. He was renowned for creating the 1569 world map based on a new projection which represented sailing courses of constant bearing (rhumb lines) as straight lines—an innovation that is still employed in nautical charts.

Mercator was one of the founders of the Flemish school of cartography and is widely considered as the most notable representative of the school in its golden age (16th and 17th centuries). In his own day he was the world's most famous geographer but, in addition, he had interests in theology, philosophy, history, mathematics and magnetism as well as being an accomplished engraver, calligrapher and maker of globes and scientific instruments.

Mercator was German-Flemish, but very close to the Netherlands.
They seemed to have a thing about Globes back there, maybe they really thought the earth was a Globe  . Here's an almost complete Coronelli Terrestrial Globe

There are lots of flat maps.
But is there just ONE FLAT MAP that is an accurate map of the entire earth ?

Quote from: zork on September 24, 2017, 03:17:32 PM

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

After all of these years, you still have not figured out how to use google?

After all of these years, you still have not figured out that Google is part of the conspiracy?

The dutch again....discovered.....uh something that looks according to Abel Tasman like this after all ?


This ?


 

Great!  Now take the other continents and put them on a flat map so that all the known distances will work.  Think of it as a puzzle!

I have lots of flat maps.

And do your flat maps all use the Rand McNally Projection (AKA the RobinsonProjection) of the Globe?
I understand that jroa uses these flat maps (of the Globe) too.

With your high rank in The Flat Earth Society, I thought that you would be required to use "The Official Flat Society Earth Map".

I guess that you tried that and kept getting lost and running out of gas on long east-west journeys.

Quote from: zork on September 24, 2017, 03:17:32 PM

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

After all of these years, you still have not figured out how to use google?

Does google know how dutchy imagines how Australia looks like?

Quote from: jroa on September 24, 2017, 04:43:08 PM

Quote from: zork on September 24, 2017, 03:17:32 PM

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

After all of these years, you still have not figured out how to use google?

Does google know how dutchy imagines how Australia looks like?

Can you give me the one and only accurate map taken from outerspace ?
This ?

Or this ?

Or this ?

Can you give me the one and only accurate map taken from outerspace ?

What do you mean by accurate? You realize that you can take pictures under different angles and with different zoom and at different height. Its like me asking from you - give me one and only picture which accurately describes front of your house. Can you do that? I remind you that I can come and take another photo with different angle, light, other setting and claim that your photo is not acceptable.

Quote from: zork on September 25, 2017, 12:12:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on September 24, 2017, 04:43:08 PM

Quote from: zork on September 24, 2017, 03:17:32 PM

So, how is it supposed to look then. Can you please draw us how Australia looks exactly.

After all of these years, you still have not figured out how to use google?

Does google know how dutchy imagines how Australia looks like?

Can you give me the one and only accurate map taken from outerspace ?
This ?

Or this ?

Or this ?

What's wrong with them?

Can you give me the one and only accurate map taken from outerspace ?

This ?

Or this ?

Or this ?

With such wonderful perception of perspective I can fully understand why you think the earth might be flat. Ever heard of "projections"?

Now, none of the first 4 are your dreaded "satellite maps":

Australia - Transverse Mercator (0°,0°)

Australia, 1892 - Gleason's Map, Azimuthal Map (90°, 0°)

Australia - Azimuthal Map (-27.7°, 133.5°)

Map of Australia - pre 1855 survey

But, you were posting "satellite maps", so this a currect satellite "map" taken 10:20 AM EAST today:Click the link and get more recent ones.

But, you asked a question:
          "Can you give me the one and only accurate map taken from outerspace?" Sorry no! The earth is a Globe, photos are flat. 

So, now may I ask you a question?
          "Can you give me the one and only accurate flat earth map?" And remember your earth is supposedly already flat so no profectionis needed, so it should be as easy as pie.