The Earth is "Stationary" ? What do you mean?

Quote from: dutchy on August 14, 2017, 07:37:29 AM

So what is it....almost overnight or meticulously efforts and planning.

God.... even about the most simple things in life, lying seems the default position for the majority on earth.
Enjoy your lies and excuses when confronted with those very lies.

Well, he's right,  the USA did beat the Russians,  but it took over a decade and billions of dollars,  hardly what I'd call overnight.   But your critical facilities have been shown to be flawed in other areas, so you probably missed the whole point the Obama was making.

There were the Pioneer series which almost all failed for one reason or another,   then there were Ranger missions,  Ranger 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,  followed by the Surveyor missions,  Surveyor 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 it was the Surveyor missions that did the first soft landings.   

The Russian Luna 16 did a soft landing and return to earth,   Luna 17 did a soft landing and  deployed the Luknod Moon rover. 

You already know about the Apollo missions,  everybody does. 

Then there have been moon missions by ESA,  Japan, India,  China

You also might not be aware of the Google Lunar X prize,  several private companies are competing for a 30 million prize for soft landing a rover on the moon.

A private company has already done a moon flyby,  that's  LuxSpace, and they used Chinese rockets.


 

You don't have to lecture me. i can make up my own mind.

The moonlandings are an impossible achievement compared to the timespan and technologies involved at that time.
It is the exception in the total history of mankind.From explorer satelite a manned moonlanding in just over a decade only.
The Chinese with vastly superiour means in every thinkable way are proof of this impossibilty.

When the USA is full of pride they claim they did it almost overnight, but back off when confronted....nonono we did take the hard road, so much money, time and thought was spend to accomplish the impossible..

You don't have to lecture me. i can make up my own mind.

The moonlandings are an impossible achievement compared to the timespan and technologies involved at that time.
It is the exception in the total history of mankind.From explorer satelite a manned moonlanding in just over a decade only.
The Chinese with vastly superiour means in every thinkable way are proof of this impossibilty.

When the USA is full of pride they claim they did it almost overnight, but back off when confronted....nonono we did take the hard road, so much money, time and thought was spend to accomplish the impossible..

I won't bother to point out the glaring errors in your thinking.   An intelligent guy like you should realise the flawed logic yourself.

I feel sad for anyone who comes in contact with these NASAphobic conspiracy whack-jobs...

What a sorry existence that must lead. Thinking everyone else is blinded, when in all actuality, they have been led down a path by a few shepherds of   the YouTube cult.

Blinded by their own desire to describe themselves as "free thinkers" or " Woke".

It's pathetic. Such amazing human achievement, and beautiful natural wonders go unappreciated.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:19:46 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on August 12, 2017, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Rip Riley on August 12, 2017, 11:31:30 AM

Stationary means it doesn't move. As in it sits, motionless.

It's really pretty simple.

Relative to where?

Stationary means it doesn't move REtard.

Is that so difficult to understand.?

It doesn't spin.

It doesn't wobble.

It doesn't fly through Space following the Sun at 700000 mph.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

The numbers they use are 66.600 miles per hour around the sun
Earth's tilt 23.4 degrees, which makes : 90 degrees minus 23.4 degrees is 66.6 degrees.

Their fetish is in the occult numerology that clearly reveals their luciferian agenda.
33 years after the twin towers were built they collapsed.
The amount of numerology used by the powers in control is mindboggling staggering.
But they claim it's just coincidence.
The evil forces of this world can openly reveal their agenda without anyone objecting.....it is ''science'' you know and ''we'' don't believe in numerolgy and occultism, despite the fact it is right in front of their eyes in about every rare event in this current world.

Yes I agree.

It would be too much of a coincidence for these numbers to keep reoccurring  by accident.

I have never really had time to do any proper research regarding this subject it is very interesting point you have raised.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 12:57:07 PM

Are you for real ?

Yes

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

How can you ignore my explanation saying the Earth is stationary

Easily, because you explanations are invalid

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

What are you talking about ?
I have told you numerous times in another thread that the Ancient Babylonian's used the Saros Cycle to predict Eclispes.

Of course I know that, but you must have much more accurate "Saros Cycle" data than the Ancient Babylonian's ever had.
By the way, how many Saros Cycles are there? Which Saros Cycle does the Aug 21 eclipse fit into?
And please explain just how simply having the data from a Saros Cycle can predict the exact path of an eclipse the way NASA have done.
You can't, just proving that you are nothing but a bag of hot air!

But, and most importantly the

Ancient Babylonian flat earth model was NOT the same as your flat earth model and you totally ignore this extremely important FACT!

The Ancient Babylonian flat earth model worked fairly well and
did explain that solar eclipses were caused by the moon occluding the sun and lunar eclipses by the earth occluding the sun,

two things your model with its little sun and moon circling above cannot do!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It wouldn't have been difficult for any ancient civilisation to predict the different seasons even children know when the seasons change as they reoccur Annually.

And that is not so trivial! First you have to work out how long a year is - and even in Julian Caeser's time that was not accurately known!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It is you that need to learn.
You need to learn to remember what the people you are debating with have posted previously.
This is probably beyond your capabilities as it would appear that you are a senile decrepit old man.

I'm convinced that you are incapability of learning!
The capabilities of this "a senile decrepit old man" seem a match for you.

Still, when you can't win an argument with actual evidence, you like so many others attack the person - so telling!

No you are Incorrect again.

The Ancient Babylonian's /Sumerians /Ancient Chinese and Ancient Indians where aware the Black Sun is the cause of Eclispes.

They named a God after the Black Sun Called Rahu.


They made many Images of Rahu The Black Sun;  it is still possible to buy one of these Images today.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/272265255535?_mwBanner
I
There are many images online of the Black Sun " Rahu" swallowing the Sun.

http://ifers.123.st/t65-rahu-the-black-sun



The NAZI'S also used the Black Sun as their logo.

I believe they did this deliberately as us in the west used to believe in the Heliocentric model.

Helios or Apollo is the name of the Sun God.

So it is obvious what the NAZI'S where trying to imply.

It is also obvious that the NAZI'S like NASA today and just about every other civilisation knew the true cause of Solar Eclispes and knew the was flat.

http://www.angelfire.com/dawn666blacksun/Symbols666.htm
 
The word stationary definition :

not moving or not intended to be moved.

"a car collided with a stationary vehicle"

synonyms:   

motionless, parked, halted, stopped, immobilized, immobile, unmoving, still, static, stock-still, at a standstill, at rest

Stationary means it doesn't move.

So when someone or a book sas the Earth is stationary they mean exactly the above.


You are also delusional Rab;

You are no match for me this video will illustrate this fact.

You are the Old and decrepit Obe Wan Kenobi and I'm Darth Vader.

We can see your apprentice Mark jo cry out when I cut you down.
 

 

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:01:25 AM

Quote from: dutchy on August 14, 2017, 07:37:29 AM

So what is it....almost overnight or meticulously efforts and planning.

God.... even about the most simple things in life, lying seems the default position for the majority on earth.
Enjoy your lies and excuses when confronted with those very lies.

Well, he's right,  the USA did beat the Russians,  but it took over a decade and billions of dollars,  hardly what I'd call overnight.   But your critical facilities have been shown to be flawed in other areas, so you probably missed the whole point the Obama was making.

There were the Pioneer series which almost all failed for one reason or another,   then there were Ranger missions,  Ranger 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,  followed by the Surveyor missions,  Surveyor 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 it was the Surveyor missions that did the first soft landings.   

The Russian Luna 16 did a soft landing and return to earth,   Luna 17 did a soft landing and  deployed the Luknod Moon rover. 

You already know about the Apollo missions,  everybody does. 

Then there have been moon missions by ESA,  Japan, India,  China

You also might not be aware of the Google Lunar X prize,  several private companies are competing for a 30 million prize for soft landing a rover on the moon.

A private company has already done a moon flyby,  that's  LuxSpace, and they used Chinese rockets.


 

You don't have to lecture me. i can make up my own mind.

The moonlandings are an impossible achievement compared to the timespan and technologies involved at that time.
It is the exception in the total history of mankind.From explorer satelite a manned moonlanding in just over a decade only.
The Chinese with vastly superiour means in every thinkable way are proof of this impossibilty.

When the USA is full of pride they claim they did it almost overnight, but back off when confronted....nonono we did take the hard road, so much money, time and thought was spend to accomplish the impossible..

Your repeating this doesn't make it so.  Now we are back to the, you don't understand it so it must be fake argument.
Do you have any proof these things were faked?

Yes I agree.

It would be to much of a coincidence for these numbers to keep reoccurring  by accident.

I have never really had time to do any proper research regarding this subject it is very interesting point you have raised.

The number 33 is used as most outspoken number of the evil rulers in this current world.
The evil forces/free masons are luciferians and believe the devil is their overlord and an equall entity besides God allmighty.
Their pyramid shaped organisation is occult and rules many aspects within society from the onset of Babylon till now.
The elevated headstone on the pyramid,...the all seeing eye is symbolic for the highest rank in their organisation,..the 33 loge.
Those partaking in that loge have to obey their brotherhood above the law of society.
On the dollar bill it is present and gives us insight who controls the evil financial system


Those part of the 33 loge are called 33 degree masons.
Many Apollo astronauts were part of that club or had strong family ties with the feeemasons
The freemasons envisoned the first and second ww correctly.
Their goal is to introduce Lucifer as saviour of this world
Hitler was also searching for the demi god ancestors of the ''heavens'' for proof of the superiourity of the arian race. It brought the NAZI's all the way to Tibet and the ''third Reich'' is directly based on the vision of a superiour luciferian race that has the ''god'' given right to rule over others and treat them at will as lesser beings.

NASA/NAZI has enhanced that evil visions.
Their goal is to promote a universe with life forms all over the place that will finally ''contact'' us.
This was the agenda after WW2 and now it is accepted by the majority, also due to Hollywood and their mind control methods about fantasy space travel.
Lucifer and his evil army can introduce themselves as inhabitants of the vast universe without modern men complaining whatsoever.

“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[c] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[d] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Aliens look like beings without a ''soul'' , because they are evil entities and pictured as such, so we get used to ''different'' looks from outer space.

The number 33 is based on the moment that Lucifer/the devil thought he had killed Jesus Christ at the age of 33 at Golgotha, so that is their victorious number and most valuable number
Here are some examples of the deliberate exhibition of the number 33...the wonder number for illuminati, satanists, occultists, freemasons, gnostics, luciferians and more secret societies that operate under different names but have one leader......the devil.

Disney private clubs for the illuminati gathering over at Disney


“Building 33: The entrance to the exhibition at CERN” or shall we say gateway to hell ?


The list of events that are based on 33 is endless.
Look for yourself and prepair to be utterly amazed.

Like i said the 9/11 inside job was planned 33 after the buildings were ready.


Notice the eclipsed sun in a child's comedy book ?
That is their way of expressing their superiourity....they know many events, far before they happen.

The so called rational minds will laugh, mock, yell, redicule,....but it is time to unravel the truth before it is to late.
Modern men knows nothing about the Scottish Rite (free masons) and their influence on the political agenda of this world.
They hope freemasons are old men studying books, smoking cigars, drinking champagne.........
Look at the dollar bill, they own this place finacially and like to show it off at times.

A pyramid in a supposed Christian country is unheared of, considering the all seeing eye on top.
But nobody seems to notice, nobody cares........

Wow!

Some people on this forum are in desperate need of mental assistance.

Wow!

Some people on this forum are in desperate need of mental assistance.

I think you are right about that.
But since you will never reply to me ever again, we cannot discuss this matter, now can we ?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 14, 2017, 10:54:08 AM

Yes I agree.

It would be to much of a coincidence for these numbers to keep reoccurring  by accident.

I have never really had time to do any proper research regarding this subject it is very interesting point you have raised.

The number 33 is used as most outspoken number of the evil rulers in this current world.
The evil forces/free masons are luciferians and believe the devil is their overlord and an equall entity besides God allmighty.
Their pyramid shaped organisation is occult and rules many aspects within society from the onset of Babylon till now.
The elevated headstone on the pyramid,...the all seeing eye is symbolic for the highest rank in their organisation,..the 33 loge.
Those partaking in that loge have to obey their brotherhood above the law of society.
On the dollar bill it is present and gives us insight who controls the evil financial system


Those part of the 33 loge are called 33 degree masons.
Many Apollo astronauts were part of that club or had strong family ties with the feeemasons
The freemasons envisoned the first and second ww correctly.
Their goal is to introduce Lucifer as saviour of this world
Hitler was also searching for the demi god ancestors of the ''heavens'' for proof of the superiourity of the arian race. It brought the NAZI's all the way to Tibet and the ''third Reich'' is directly based on the vision of a superiour luciferian race that has the ''god'' given right to rule over others and treat them at will as lesser beings.

NASA/NAZI has enhanced that evil visions.
Their goal is to promote a universe with life forms all over the place that will finally ''contact'' us.
This was the agenda after WW2 and now it is accepted by the majority, also due to Hollywood and their mind control methods about fantasy space travel.
Lucifer and his evil army can introduce themselves as inhabitants of the vast universe without modern men complaining whatsoever.

“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[c] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[d] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Aliens look like beings without a ''soul'' , because they are evil entities and pictured as such, so we get used to ''different'' looks from outer space.

The number 33 is based on the moment that Lucifer/the devil thought he had killed Jesus Christ at the age of 33 at Golgotha, so that is their victorious number and most valuable number
Here are some examples of the deliberate exhibition of the number 33...the wonder number for illuminati, satanists, occultists, freemasons, gnostics, luciferians and more secret societies that operate under different names but have one leader......the devil.

Disney private clubs for the illuminati gathering over at Disney


“Building 33: The entrance to the exhibition at CERN” or shall we say gateway to hell ?


The list of events that are based on 33 is endless.
Look for yourself and prepair to be utterly amazed.

Like i said the 9/11 inside job was planned 33 after the buildings were ready.


Notice the eclipsed sun in a child's comedy book ?
That is their way of expressing their superiourity....they know many events, far before they happen.

The so called rational minds will laugh, mock, yell, redicule,....but it is time to unravel the truth before it is to late.
Modern men knows nothing about the Scottish Rite (free masons) and their influence on the political agenda of this world.
They hope freemasons are old men studying books, smoking cigars, drinking champagne.........
Look at the dollar bill, they own this place finacially and like to show it off at times.

A pyramid in a supposed Christian country is unheared of, considering the all seeing eye on top.
But nobody seems to notice, nobody cares........

That was hilarious, thanks.  Well done post.

That was hilarious, thanks.  Well done post.

Psst it wasn't intended as humor, but it was about serious aspects within our current evil society.
I understand perfectly well how people react when they first hear about it.
That comes with the burdon of truth, if you want applause, back-patting, respect, an audience, handled with the ad most respect, you should do something high upon the social status ladder....i have abbandonad that plastic life.

I know from experience that after initial mockery, people start to think...''that person can't be that crazy...now can he'' and they sometimes go look for themselves and are more surprised than their initial reflex towards unknown territory indicated.

Quote from: Badxtoss on August 14, 2017, 01:52:16 PM

That was hilarious, thanks.  Well done post.

Psst it wasn't intended as humor, but it was about serious aspects within our current evil society.
I understand perfectly well how people react when they first hear about it.
That comes with the burdon of truth, if you want applause, back-patting, respect, an audience, handled with the ad most respect, you should do something high upon the social status ladder....i have abbandonad that plastic life.

I know from experience that after initial mockery, people start to think...''that person can't be that crazy...now can he'' and they sometimes go look for themselves and are more surprised than their initial reflex towards unknown territory indicated.

You were serious?  Wow.  Ok well then a couple of things.
You claim aliens look like soulless beings.  How do you know what aliens look like?  You claim lucifer (which means light bringer, I think you are referring to Satan) thought he killed Jesus.  You could be right about this, but I have not seen that before.  Can you show me the quote on that?
You claim the towers came down 33 years after the buildings were ready, it was 31 years.
You show a picture of a door with the address 33 and claim it is some secret gathering place at Disney.  Any actual proof of that?
Sorry, really thought you were kidding.  You do seem to be one of the people here with a sense of humor.

Did this thread go from

"the earth is stationary? what does that mean"

to

"NUMBER 33 VERY EVIL CERN DISNEY NASA IS A NAZI FREEMASON ILLUMINATI  SATANISTS OCCULTIS GNOSTIC LUCIFERIANS ALIENS ARE THE DEVIL 911 INSIDE JOB (made by SATAN™)"

You just have to add "international jewry" and "communism" and it would be the perfect conspiracy theory.

Did this thread go from

"the earth is stationary? what does that mean"

to

"NUMBER 33 VERY EVIL CERN DISNEY NASA IS A NAZI FREEMASON ILLUMINATI  SATANISTS OCCULTIS GNOSTIC LUCIFERIANS ALIENS ARE THE DEVIL 911 INSIDE JOB (made by SATAN™)"

You just have to add "international jewry" and "communism" and it would be the perfect conspiracy theory.

Alien illuminati nazi Jew communists!

Notice the eclipsed sun in a child's comedy book ?

That isn't an eclipsed sun. 

Notice that the lights in the buildings are on?

Obviously it's a night scene, therefore it's a crescent moon.

Quote from: Badxtoss on August 14, 2017, 01:52:16 PM

That was hilarious, thanks.  Well done post.

Psst it wasn't intended as humor, but it was about serious aspects within our current evil society.
I understand perfectly well how people react when they first hear about it.

I doubt that.

That comes with the burdon of truth, if you want applause, back-patting, respect, an audience, handled with the ad most respect, you should do something high upon the social status ladder....i have abbandonad that plastic life.

I know from experience that after initial mockery, people start to think...''that person can't be that crazy...now can he'' and they sometimes go look for themselves and are more surprised than their initial reflex towards unknown territory indicated.

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

Now for a serious question:  What is it with Dutch people that they have to have chocolate sprinkles on everything?

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:39:23 PM

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

Actually that would explain the rise of all this flat earth nonsense.

Quote from: dutchy on August 15, 2017, 03:10:32 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:39:23 PM

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

Actually that would explain the rise of all this flat earth nonsense.

Wowwwww that is truly deep 

Forget it,.... i have no f'ng clue what you mean

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:39:23 PM

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

You need to widen your circle of friends,  and realise it's not a conspiracy, it's the modern world.  If it was a conspiracy it would be better organized.

Was there some particular event that triggered your distrust of society in general?

Quote from: dutchy on August 15, 2017, 03:10:32 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:39:23 PM

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

You need to widen your circle of friends,  and realise it's not a conspiracy, it's the modern world.  If it was a conspiracy it would be better organized.

Was there some particular event that triggered your distrust of society in general?

Modern I call it evil ,'modern' is misleading as if something is getting better.

A modern economy based on thin air, debts and derivates
The petro dollar
Loans ( death ropes) to third world countries
A stock market full of lunatics
Trading computers that use extremely advanced  algorhitms to trade in 'hot air' with the speed of light and beyond.
Cern that tries to search for a scientist's wet dream
9/11
The moonlandings
Weapons of mass destruction
Trump
North Korean conflict
40.000 drones that people in Nevada use to kill overseas
That the Kardeshians can be rich by showing their ass, stupid life, atrocious borderline behaviour without consequences and that society rewards it

And i could go on forever.....

But enjoy the 'munlundings' with your children and grandchildren, explaining how extremely clever, brave and unique that accomplishment was.
Even God must have been pleasantly surprised by mankind......... wow they reached the 'heavens' without a fiery chariot.

Ah forgot,.... the 'tea party' must also be on my list about current events that convinced me that evil rules this world !!
That crazy woman from Alaska

Quote from: Rayzor on August 15, 2017, 05:54:53 AM

Quote from: dutchy on August 15, 2017, 03:10:32 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 14, 2017, 08:39:23 PM

I was feeling sorry for your grandchildren,  now I feel sorry for you.  The conspiracy mind trap is almost impossible to escape, and you appear to be too far gone to get out.

I think you are confused, but let me explain.

This world is capable of producing food, shelter and clean water for everyone.....however

We condamned the majority on earth to live a life as financial slave or far worse from the beginning
We altered natural food and created fast food with all consequences
Natural water in rivers and lakes is polluted
We alter natural DNA of ancient evolved animals and plants to produce more, faster, cheaper, better
Animals in slaughterhouses are treated beyond imagination !!!!
We dumb down society with a continious flood of nonsical tv, sports, games and movies
We destroy the ancient rain forests in record time

If you don't believe in one big conspiracy involving evil forces ,you won't have great great grand children.

But hey the Kardashians are on tonight, there is no conspiracy.... enjoy the moment.

You need to widen your circle of friends,  and realise it's not a conspiracy, it's the modern world.  If it was a conspiracy it would be better organized.

Was there some particular event that triggered your distrust of society in general?

Modern I call it evil ,'modern' is misleading as if something is getting better.

A modern economy based on thin air, debts and derivates
The petro dollar
Loans ( death ropes) to third world countries
A stock market full of lunatics
Trading computers that use extremely advanced  algorhitms to trade in 'hot air' with the speed of light and beyond.
Cern that tries to search for a scientist's wet dream
9/11
The moonlandings
Weapons of mass destruction
Trump
North Korean conflict
40.000 drones that people in Nevada use to kill overseas
That the Kardeshians can be rich by showing their ass, stupid life, atrocious borderline behaviour without consequences and that society rewards it

And i could go on forever.....

But enjoy the 'munlundings' with your children and grandchildren, explaining how extremely clever, brave and unique that accomplishment was.
Even God must have been pleasantly surprised by mankind......... wow they reached the 'heavens' without a fiery chariot.

Ah forgot,.... the 'tea party' must also be on my list about current events that convinced me that evil rules this world !!
That crazy woman from Alaska

It's an exciting time to be alive,  you should get out more and enjoy what life has to offer, not drowning yourself in crazy conspiracies.   

If that means growing your own food and living off grid, then go and do it.  Don't just moan about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

Grow the fuck up.  Stop being a child.

It's an exciting time to be alive,  you should get out more and enjoy what life has to offer, not drowning yourself in crazy conspiracies.   

If that means growing your own food and living off grid, then go and do it.  Don't just moan about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

Grow the fuck up.  Stop being a child.

Grumpy bitter old man, it's called ''switching'' !!!
One moment i can be dead serious about the evil in this world, the next moment i can feel freedom peace and enjoy a good glass of red wine in good company.
Put your blinders off with your ''exciting times'' ! For whome ? For he third world ?, for those without healthcare, those girls being raped in the sex industry in Thailand and all over the world ?, chickens and pigs heading for their animal's Auswitch ? Fuck me ....''exciting times'' your brand of denial is why nothing changes.

Any ordinary person can't join the top of the  UN or any worldwide organisation in particular. They don't need ''joe the plumber'' to hear his say on matters.
Look it up man....they all have degrees from universities....even those lunatics like Trump, Clinton and Bush and many other sociopaths ruling this world.
You know that 300.000 children were killed in Iraque during the invasion from that lunatic Bush and his neo con masters Cheney and Rumsfeld ?
Tell their mothers you live in ''exciting times''....no tell them on vacation in a luxurious hotel in Baghdad,... with your grand children, that we went to the moon and that America is the most advanced society on earth.
And that you and your family live in exciting times.

Mannnnn don't you have any shame in you whatsoever ?
The bright, intelligent and smart people rule this world....and they don't give a damn,.....they never did. The poor and lesser gifted have no choice than to accept society and how it is formed by intellectuals and the elite. The poor can send their children to die for the good cause in Iraque or some other god forsaken battlefield.
You have never had any interrest in modern history now have you ?

And before you make a judgement, i have an iq of 135......not the best but far above avarage and i won't comment on my education and whereabouts, because it could hurt me and my family.
Because you crazy people are indeed capable of firing ''flatearthers'' when going public...as a topic over here indicated !!!
Nonono you have to sign here for your final application......please sign this last part please....

The munlundings were the greatest achievements of mankind
20 angree muslims highjacked planes and took over our airspace with box cutters
Osama Bin Laden was the coordinator using his secret satelite phone in Tora Bora
All killed (1.000.000) in Iraque were sadly collateral damage for the good ''neo con'' cause

Yes now you can work here and be part of these exciting times.

And now i am going to play the piano and enjoy my skills......like i said is called ''switching''

I moan about this world in the right place the flatearth forums where people gather who believe the elite tricked us in every thinkable way even the shape of this world ....you moan about me.....what a sorry person you are....do you think this is the zoo or something ? Where you can watch stupidity all day long?
I know many of you feel this way ,.......but it only underlines your pathetic behaviour of joining the flatearth forums and accusing me of moaning about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

This isn't called ''the exciting times forums'' you are not participating in such forums now do you ? You are here at the flatearth forums where people gather who feel the government lies about EVERYTHING.
Participate or leave for the ''exciting times fora''

Quote from: Rayzor on August 15, 2017, 07:03:23 AM

It's an exciting time to be alive,  you should get out more and enjoy what life has to offer, not drowning yourself in crazy conspiracies.   

If that means growing your own food and living off grid, then go and do it.  Don't just moan about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

Grow the fuck up.  Stop being a child.

Grumpy bitter old men, it's called ''switching'' !!!
One moment i can be dead serious about the evil in this world, the next moment i can feel freedom peace and enjoy a good glass of red wine in good company.
Put your blinders off with your ''exciting times'' ! For whome ? For he third world ?, for those without healtcare, those girls being raped in the sex industry in Thailand and all over the world , chickens and pigs heading for their animal's Auswitch ? Fuck me ....''exciting times'' your brand of denial is why nothing changes.

Any ordinary person can't join the top of the  UN or any worldwide organisation in particular. They don't need ''joe the plumber'' to hear his say on matters.
Look it up man....they all have degrees from universities....even those lunatics like Trump, Clinton and Bush and many other sociopaths ruling this world.
You know that 300.000 children were killed in Iraque during the invasion from that lunatic Bush and his neo con masters Cheney and Rumsfeld ?
Tell their mothers you live in ''exciting times''....no tell them on vacation in a luxurious hotel in Baghdad,... with your grand children, that we went to the moon and that America is the most advanced society on earth.
And that you and your family live in exciting times.

Mannnnn don't you have any shame in you whatsoever ?
The bright, intelligent and smart people rule this world....and they don't give a damn,.....they never did. The poor and lesser gifted have no choice than to accept society and how it is formed by intellectuals and the elite. The poor can send their children to die for the good cause in Iraque or some other god forsaken battlefield.
You have never had any interrest in modern history now have you ?

And before you make a judgement, i have an iq of 135......not the best but far above avarage and i won't comment on my education and whereabouts, because it could hurt me and my faqmily.
Because you crazy people are indeed capable of firing ''flatearthers'' when going public.
Nonono you have to sign here for your final application......please sign this last part please....

The munlundings were the greatest achievements of mankind
20 angree muslims highjacked planes and took over our airspace with box cutters
Osama Bin Laden was the coordinator using his secret satelite phone in Tora Bora
All killed (1.000.000) in Iraque were sadly collateral damage for the good ''neo con'' cause

Yes now you can work here and be part of these exciting times.

And now i am going to play the piano and enjoy my skills......like i said is called ''switching''

I moan about this world in the right place the flatearth forums where people gather who believe the elite tricked us in every thinkable way even the shape of this world ....you moan about me.....what a sorry person you are....do you think this is the zoo or something ? Where you can watch stupidity all day long?
I know many of you feel this way ,.......but it only underlines your pathetic behaviour of joining the flatearth forums and accusing me of moaning about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

This isn't called ''the exciting times forums'' you are not participating in such forums now do you ? You are here at the flatearth forums where people gather who feel the government lies about EVERYTHING.
Participate or leave for the ''exciting times fora''

You make too many assumptions, and believe too many lies.  As an exercise, try questioning everything you just wrote, and ask yourself honestly why you believe each of those things. 

Some of the things you wrote have a grain of truth as far as it goes,  but miss out on the real nuance and story,  the truth is rarely one dimensional, there are shades of grey.

Quote from: dutchy on August 15, 2017, 07:47:55 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on August 15, 2017, 07:03:23 AM

It's an exciting time to be alive,  you should get out more and enjoy what life has to offer, not drowning yourself in crazy conspiracies.   

If that means growing your own food and living off grid, then go and do it.  Don't just moan about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

Grow the fuck up.  Stop being a child.

Grumpy bitter old men, it's called ''switching'' !!!
One moment i can be dead serious about the evil in this world, the next moment i can feel freedom peace and enjoy a good glass of red wine in good company.
Put your blinders off with your ''exciting times'' ! For whome ? For he third world ?, for those without healtcare, those girls being raped in the sex industry in Thailand and all over the world , chickens and pigs heading for their animal's Auswitch ? Fuck me ....''exciting times'' your brand of denial is why nothing changes.

Any ordinary person can't join the top of the  UN or any worldwide organisation in particular. They don't need ''joe the plumber'' to hear his say on matters.
Look it up man....they all have degrees from universities....even those lunatics like Trump, Clinton and Bush and many other sociopaths ruling this world.
You know that 300.000 children were killed in Iraque during the invasion from that lunatic Bush and his neo con masters Cheney and Rumsfeld ?
Tell their mothers you live in ''exciting times''....no tell them on vacation in a luxurious hotel in Baghdad,... with your grand children, that we went to the moon and that America is the most advanced society on earth.
And that you and your family live in exciting times.

Mannnnn don't you have any shame in you whatsoever ?
The bright, intelligent and smart people rule this world....and they don't give a damn,.....they never did. The poor and lesser gifted have no choice than to accept society and how it is formed by intellectuals and the elite. The poor can send their children to die for the good cause in Iraque or some other god forsaken battlefield.
You have never had any interrest in modern history now have you ?

And before you make a judgement, i have an iq of 135......not the best but far above avarage and i won't comment on my education and whereabouts, because it could hurt me and my faqmily.
Because you crazy people are indeed capable of firing ''flatearthers'' when going public.
Nonono you have to sign here for your final application......please sign this last part please....

The munlundings were the greatest achievements of mankind
20 angree muslims highjacked planes and took over our airspace with box cutters
Osama Bin Laden was the coordinator using his secret satelite phone in Tora Bora
All killed (1.000.000) in Iraque were sadly collateral damage for the good ''neo con'' cause

Yes now you can work here and be part of these exciting times.

And now i am going to play the piano and enjoy my skills......like i said is called ''switching''

I moan about this world in the right place the flatearth forums where people gather who believe the elite tricked us in every thinkable way even the shape of this world ....you moan about me.....what a sorry person you are....do you think this is the zoo or something ? Where you can watch stupidity all day long?
I know many of you feel this way ,.......but it only underlines your pathetic behaviour of joining the flatearth forums and accusing me of moaning about the state of the world to strangers on the internet.

This isn't called ''the exciting times forums'' you are not participating in such forums now do you ? You are here at the flatearth forums where people gather who feel the government lies about EVERYTHING.
Participate or leave for the ''exciting times fora''

You make too many assumptions, and believe too many lies.  As an exercise, try questioning everything you just wrote, and ask yourself honestly why you believe each of those things. 

Some of the things you wrote have a grain of truth as far as it goes,  but miss out on the real nuance and story,  the truth is rarely one dimensional, there are shades of grey.

You are an extreme example of a person in denial.....i don't think i can help you....sorry.

Here is an attempt from
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

Here some of it, but i urge you to read it all,

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

To the families and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether to become refugees, and how to survive.

And the pain and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars. Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their fellow countrymen.


Exciting times uhhh ??

But you can of course try to convince me of the ''grey''s with hardcore data.
Please go over my specific rant and debunk each and every point i have made... and show me where it was absolutely incorrect.
You would gain my respect if you did that and took the time to proof where and how i am wrong !

My life is great!

I eat pigs and chickens and burgers all the time, drink beer, and sometimes harder drinks.

I have a job, I pay my own healthcare bills, and my taxes.

I have a few credit cards that I keep a minimal balance on.

I get to play my guitar for a crowded bar two or three nights a month., And I catch a lot of fish.

Yep... Exciting times, indeed!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 14, 2017, 10:54:08 AM

Yes I agree.

It would be to much of a coincidence for these numbers to keep reoccurring  by accident.

I have never really had time to do any proper research regarding this subject it is very interesting point you have raised.

The number 33 is used as most outspoken number of the evil rulers in this current world.
The evil forces/free masons are luciferians and believe the devil is their overlord and an equall entity besides God allmighty.
Their pyramid shaped organisation is occult and rules many aspects within society from the onset of Babylon till now.
The elevated headstone on the pyramid,...the all seeing eye is symbolic for the highest rank in their organisation,..the 33 loge.
Those partaking in that loge have to obey their brotherhood above the law of society.
On the dollar bill it is present and gives us insight who controls the evil financial system


Those part of the 33 loge are called 33 degree masons.
Many Apollo astronauts were part of that club or had strong family ties with the feeemasons
The freemasons envisoned the first and second ww correctly.
Their goal is to introduce Lucifer as saviour of this world
Hitler was also searching for the demi god ancestors of the ''heavens'' for proof of the superiourity of the arian race. It brought the NAZI's all the way to Tibet and the ''third Reich'' is directly based on the vision of a superiour luciferian race that has the ''god'' given right to rule over others and treat them at will as lesser beings.

NASA/NAZI has enhanced that evil visions.
Their goal is to promote a universe with life forms all over the place that will finally ''contact'' us.
This was the agenda after WW2 and now it is accepted by the majority, also due to Hollywood and their mind control methods about fantasy space travel.
Lucifer and his evil army can introduce themselves as inhabitants of the vast universe without modern men complaining whatsoever.

“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[c] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[d] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Aliens look like beings without a ''soul'' , because they are evil entities and pictured as such, so we get used to ''different'' looks from outer space.

The number 33 is based on the moment that Lucifer/the devil thought he had killed Jesus Christ at the age of 33 at Golgotha, so that is their victorious number and most valuable number
Here are some examples of the deliberate exhibition of the number 33...the wonder number for illuminati, satanists, occultists, freemasons, gnostics, luciferians and more secret societies that operate under different names but have one leader......the devil.

Disney private clubs for the illuminati gathering over at Disney


“Building 33: The entrance to the exhibition at CERN” or shall we say gateway to hell ?


The list of events that are based on 33 is endless.
Look for yourself and prepair to be utterly amazed.

Like i said the 9/11 inside job was planned 33 after the buildings were ready.


Notice the eclipsed sun in a child's comedy book ?
That is their way of expressing their superiourity....they know many events, far before they happen.

The so called rational minds will laugh, mock, yell, redicule,....but it is time to unravel the truth before it is to late.
Modern men knows nothing about the Scottish Rite (free masons) and their influence on the political agenda of this world.
They hope freemasons are old men studying books, smoking cigars, drinking champagne.........
Look at the dollar bill, they own this place finacially and like to show it off at times.

A pyramid in a supposed Christian country is unheared of, considering the all seeing eye on top.
But nobody seems to notice, nobody cares........

Im sorry mate, but you just went full bananas

But you can of course try to convince me of the ''grey''s with hardcore data.
Please go over my specific rant and debunk each and every point i have made... and show me where it was absolutely incorrect.
You would gain my respect if you did that and took the time to proof where and how i am wrong !

Here is your link.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

Let's just pick one at random.

Was the US responsible for the deaths of 200,000 east Timorese as that article claims.

Let's start with their sources,  at first glance the sources they cite are dodgy to say the least.

East Timor

1.Virtual Truth Commission, http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/date4.htm

2.Matthew Jardine, Unraveling Indonesia, Nonviolent Activist, 1997)

3.Chronology of American State Terrorismhttp://www.intellnet.org/resources/american_terrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html

4.William Blum, Killing Hope (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995), p. 197.

5.US trained butchers of Timor, The Guardian, London. Cited by The Drudge Report, September 19, 1999. http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/indon.htm

Hmm..  the links are all broken,  but wait,  they are citing a Guardian article that was referenced by the Drudge report.  Let's find that.

Ah.. here it is,  https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/sep/19/indonesia.easttimor2

Looks like the US trained Indonesian troops in the 1990's some of which included Kopasus.  ( a nasty group if there ever was one)

But,  hang on a minute,  the Indonesian massacre in East Timor which killed 200,000 was 20 years earlier in the 1970's  wasn't it.   Why blame the USA for that, If anything it was Australia that failed to act.   The Portugese who just walked away. 

I can recall those days, and I have friends whose sons were in East Timor with the ADF with 3 RAR,  When the East Timorese kicked out the Indonesians after the elections in 1999,  there's even a famous interview with Richard Carlton trying to talk to people at the polls with Indonesian soldiers standing nearby.  Go figure.  Stupid idiot.

So why exactly did we just simplify things and blame the Americans for the deaths of 200,000,  maybe they had some covert involvement back in the early 70's,  they certainly did nothing to stop it.  But there is no proof of that that I could find.  If you want someone to blame,  blame Suharto

Then there's the Balibo 5,  we could talk about Greg Shackleton,  or maybe Fretlin,  Did you know Xanana Gusmao married an Australian?   

Nope, I've got better things to do, than try to debunk bullshit from sites like http://www.globalresearch.ca/ 

As I keep saying,  try and learn to be critical of information,  don't just swallow the lies you are being fed.

Quote from: dutchy on August 15, 2017, 08:23:37 AM

But you can of course try to convince me of the ''grey''s with hardcore data.
Please go over my specific rant and debunk each and every point i have made... and show me where it was absolutely incorrect.
You would gain my respect if you did that and took the time to proof where and how i am wrong !

Here is your link.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

Let's just pick one at random.

Was the US responsible for the deaths of 200,000 east Timorese as that article claims.

Let's start with their sources,  at first glance the sources they cite are dodgy to say the least.

Quote

East Timor

1.Virtual Truth Commission, http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/date4.htm

2.Matthew Jardine, Unraveling Indonesia, Nonviolent Activist, 1997)

3.Chronology of American State Terrorismhttp://www.intellnet.org/resources/american_terrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html

4.William Blum, Killing Hope (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995), p. 197.

5.US trained butchers of Timor, The Guardian, London. Cited by The Drudge Report, September 19, 1999. http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/indon.htm

Hmm..  the links are all broken,  but wait,  they are citing a Guardian article that was referenced by the Drudge report.  Let's find that.

Ah.. here it is,  https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/sep/19/indonesia.easttimor2

Looks like the US trained Indonesian troops in the 1990's some of which included Kopasus.  ( a nasty group if there ever was one)

But,  hang on a minute,  the Indonesian massacre in East Timor which killed 200,000 was 20 years earlier in the 1970's  wasn't it.   Why blame the USA for that, If anything it was Australia that failed to act.   The Portugese who just walked away. 

I can recall those days, and I have friends whose sons were in East Timor with the ADF with 3 RAR,  When the East Timorese kicked out the Indonesians after the elections in 1999,  there's even a famous interview with Richard Carlton trying to talk to people at the polls with Indonesian soldiers standing nearby.  Go figure.  Stupid idiot.

So why exactly did we just simplify things and blame the Americans for the deaths of 200,000,  maybe they had some covert involvement back in the early 70's,  they certainly did nothing to stop it.  But there is no proof of that that I could find.  If you want someone to blame,  blame Suharto

Then there's the Balibo 5,  we could talk about Greg Shackleton,  or maybe Fretlin,  Did you know Xanana Gusmao married an Australian?   

Nope, I've got better things to do, than try to debunk bullshit from sites like http://www.globalresearch.ca/ 

As I keep saying,  try and learn to be critical of information,  don't just swallow the lies you are being fed.

You quoted the wrong post sir !!!!
You should quote the post where i said things you doubted, not the link fool !!!!!
This link was only provided to show there is a lot of killing going on around the world,......and the USA as other western countries have many economical benefits from war. Now and in the past.

What a very bad attempt to proof a point....you replied to a different post and try to proof me something about a link that clearly showed the NUMBERS.
I don't give a fuck about your excuses.
My eldest son is an historian and his master was about Indonesia.
You know the country where i live, the Netherlands was in full control over there for centuries.

History is extremely difficult, but one thing is always certain,.......the history books can't hardly describe the evil and misery that men have pout upon eachoter.

You are hilarious, critisising me for fact checking about history......you are a funny man..... and i don't like your little trick about answering the wrong post !
Is being honest so hard for you,....you perfectly well know you choose the wrong post !!
Thos what i said
But you can of course try to convince me of the ''grey''s with hardcore data.
Please go over my specific rant and debunk each and every point i have made... and show me where it was absolutely incorrect.
You would gain my respect if you did that and took the time to proof where and how i am wrong !

you see it was my longwinded rant with many points not that one with the link !

You quoted the wrong post sir !!!!
You should quote the post where i said things you doubted, not the link fool !!!!!
This link was only provided to show there is a lot of killing going on around the world,......and the USA as other western countries have many economical benefits from war. Now and in the past.

What a very bad attempt to proof a point....you replied to a different post and try to proof me something about a link that clearly showed the NUMBERS.
I don't give a fuck about your excuses.
My eldest son is an historian and his master was about Indonesia.
You know the country where i live, the Netherlands was in full control over there for centuries.

History is extremely difficult, but one thing is always certain,.......the history books can't hardly describe the evil and misery that men have pout upon eachoter.

You are hilarious, critisising me for fact checking about history......you are a funny man..... and i don't like your little trick about answering the wrong post !
Is being honest so hard for you,....you perfectly well know you choose the wrong post !!

I debunked the only source you cited,  dumbass.   When you are talking to your son, ask him if it was the Americans or the Indonesians who killed 200,000 in East Timor.

Let's see what his answer is. 

Your turn to show us how honest you are.