For Spherical Earth Believers Only

What does it take to convince me in a flat Earth? A fucking miracle of the highest possible order, I assume...

But yeah, just for the record: If by any chance the flat Earth was true, then it would be a blast of such ridiculous magnitude it would basically shatter just about everything mankind has achieved so far, and it would render any further efforts in all of the sciences useless.
Any concept of an omnipotent entity as the creator of it would then be proved as well, I suppose...

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on July 26, 2017, 06:52:06 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:02:41 AM

I'm serious now

You weren't before? That would explain some things.

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can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

No, but here's one:

I mean like a road, bridge, building...

What's wrong with that one? You asked for examples of "engineering [and] construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth" and I showed you one. Now you say that's not what you want. Perhaps you don't understand it?

That telescope was a marvel of engineering and construction at the time it was designed and built in the 1930s and '40s. Notice how the yoke the truss-tube telescope is inside (those two big honkin' tubes) is tilted with respect to the floor, and the large "horseshoe" bearing at the far end of the yoke is tilted from being vertical? That's because the axis of the yoke is parallel to the earth's axis of rotation and the horseshoe is parallel to the plane of the equator. Because the earth is a large sphere, those are not plumb or level at the latitude the instrument is located. The axis of the yoke is tilted with respect to the level floor (that is, the floor is tangent to an ellipsoid that's a constant distance above the ellipsoidal datum that elevations are measured from).

See it now?

Or he could just show me the earth being all flat and non spherical (should be easy enough, it is God after all).

WTF are you talking about anyway??? You asked the original question with a preconception that no-one would say 'I'd ask God to show me' - but I said exactly that.

My answer didn't fit what you wanted to happen, so you completely ignored the fact that I said it and carried on strutting and spewing shit about how no one said that they would simply ask God to show them the flat earth...

Once again showing that your mind distorts reality to fit your pre-existing view of the world.

You are actually insane man. Get help, this place is no good for you.

Quote from: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 05:55:05 AM

Or just set up a microwave link beyond specification, oh those determined by earth curvature and radio propagation, line of sight communication

And how do we know that the satellites are real and not a landbase tower...

again, you fail to see the most obvious of things.

He is God, he can do the most miraculously things with a blink of an eye...

But you did not ask him to let you see it from above...

Because, common sense should tell you that towers would never work.  Because, all those homes with DIRECTV require a tower thousands of feet tall.  I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed by now.

Additionally, the elevation and azimuth settings for a dish are based on a spherical coordinate system.  That would mean when you try to do the geometry based on a Cartesian coordinate system the dishes all point to different locations. This would mean there would have to be hundred, maybe thousands of towers that are thousands of feet high. 

However, in a spherical coordinate system the dishes all point the a single location in orbit.  The only way all the dishes for 22 million DIRECTV subscribers converge at a single point is in a spherical coordinate system on a spherical surface, i.e. on a globe.  All those dishes all pointing to the same location in geostationary orbit 22,300 miles above the equator...QED: the earth is a sphere.

Mike

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Proof

You too have NO common sense, the simplest answer is always the best!

No it isn't.
Some times the simplest answer will ignore the complexities of the situation or the impracticality of some options.

Going to space is much harder than making a map.

I was honest with you and stated that if NASA would take me to the moon and I could see the Earth, sun and stars, I would believe the heliocentric model, but you on the other hand want to pound your agenda and the way of thinking.

And is that the only thing, or would other things convince you as well?

But in this post I had asked, what would you ask from GOD?

Your god would already know what would convince me if it was omniscient.
If it was omnipotent it could simply make me know.

If Earth was flat, and your god wanted people to know that (and existed), then everyone would.

See you in a couple of days, have to run an experiment with the cooling effect of moonlight if it is true.

Why not wait until the fool moon when it would be the most significant?

He loves you and even the devil. If he would just ask to be forgiven, he would. But his pride will not let him ask for forgiveness.

Does your pride finder you also, for me it did a few years ago.

Don't answer back, just think about in your head and be honest with yourself...

You asked in your OP:

When I first saw that question, my first reaction was to say "Nothing could change my belief", but that's not quite true.
And again He could again say
And then we would see with our eyes than the earth was flat.

But, there are none so blind as those that will not see and
        there are none so deaf as those that will not hear.

I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

I am not a bridge engineer, but I would assume any bridge would have to account for curvature.  The towers of large suspension bridges are further apart at the top then the base despite being perfectly plumb.  This is something you can verify yourself.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:02:41 AM

I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

I am not a bridge engineer, but I would assume any bridge would have to account for curvature.  The towers of large suspension bridges are further apart at the top then the base despite being perfectly plumb.  This is something you can verify yourself.

Yup.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verrazano-Narrows_Bridge

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:02:41 AM

I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

I am not a bridge engineer, but I would assume any bridge would have to account for curvature.  The towers of large suspension bridges are further apart at the top then the base despite being perfectly plumb.  This is something you can verify yourself.

I remember reading while in grade school in the 1960s that the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (a long suspension bridge between Brooklyn and Staten Island, NY, nearing completion at the time) had to be designed with the curvature of the earth as a consideration. More recently, I discovered that this has been called into question. Calculation shows is that perfectly-plumb towers would be something like 4 cm further apart at the top than the base due to the curvature of the earth, but it's unclear whether tolerances were tight enough for this to even have been an issue. [I see in the link that sokarul posted while I was composing this that the tops would be 41.275 mm further apart than the bases, so I was close.]

Still, it's instructive. The central span of that bridge is more than 4/5 of a mile (4,260 ft), and its towers stand more than an eighth of a mile tall (693 ft), yet the curvature of the earth as an engineering consideration is marginal to insignificant. This is a good illustration of the gigantic scale a project would need to be before it "took into account the curvature of the earth" as a necessity. Simply put, at the scale of all or virtually all real construction projects, the curvature of the earth simply doesn't matter. The exception to this is, as already offered, astronomical observatories and some facilities where inertial platforms are necessary to accurately counteract the rotation of the earth; in those cases the accumulated curvature between the equator and the latitude of the facility is significant, and results in equipment that needs to be installed at "interesting" angles with respect to local level.

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Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:02:41 AM

I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

I am not a bridge engineer, but I would assume any bridge would have to account for curvature.  The towers of large suspension bridges are further apart at the top then the base despite being perfectly plumb.  This is something you can verify yourself.

No, for most bridges the difference is basically nothing. They would need far more give to compensate for temperature differences and swaying in the wind.
Then there is the issue of how they would account for it?

It is only very long structures which need to be made perfectly straight, such as very long interferometers that would compensate in that manner.

The exception to this is, as already offered, astronomical observatories and some facilities where inertial platforms are necessary to accurately counteract the rotation of the earth; in those cases the accumulated curvature between the equator and the latitude of the facility is significant, and results in equipment that needs to be installed at "interesting" angles with respect to local level.

One slight correction. Most of the time it is the accumulated curvature between the pole and the location.
At the equator a telescope on a mount designed to compensate for the rotation of the Earth is rotating in a plane perpendicular to Earth.
At the pole it can follow the local level.

Inflatearth I honestly suggest you take a deep breath and go get yourself some help, you're taking all this far too seriously.

 It seems like you could be spiraling off into a dangerous place.

You don't get it!!!

From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

If you make an error, then you correct it, tell the people that you were wrong and move on. IF you don't say that you were wrong, then you don't have any credibility.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

You don't get it!!!
From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If that was the case then a flat Earth wouldn't need a god.

If the only way to get a flat Earth is with a god, and a spherical Earth could exist without a god, then a round Earth shows God is not being powerful and instead letting the universe do its thing.

What would be great is a higher dimensional Earth with many infinite planes with links between them and around different places on them to allow infinite space for us to inhabit.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

But it isn't ideology. The truth is that Earth is round.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

There is no science that supports a flat Earth over a round one.
It either works on both, or just on a round Earth.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

You don't get it!!!
From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If that was the case then a flat Earth wouldn't need a god.

If the only way to get a flat Earth is with a god, and a spherical Earth could exist without a god, then a round Earth shows God is not being powerful and instead letting the universe do its thing.

What would be great is a higher dimensional Earth with many infinite planes with links between them and around different places on them to allow infinite space for us to inhabit.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

But it isn't ideology. The truth is that Earth is round.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

There is no science that supports a flat Earth over a round one.
It either works on both, or just on a round Earth.

NO, God created either a Flat Earth or a Spherical Earth. But if God Created a spherical earth, then his love for us is even more than in a Flat Earth.

NO, God created either a Flat Earth or a Spherical Earth. But if God Created a spherical earth, then his love for us is even more than in a Flat Earth.

There is no reason to think your god created anything (or even exists).
Regardless, why would a spherical Earth mean God loves us more?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 03:41:39 AM

NO, God created either a Flat Earth or a Spherical Earth. But if God Created a spherical earth, then his love for us is even more than in a Flat Earth.

There is no reason to think your god created anything (or even exists).
Regardless, why would a spherical Earth mean God loves us more?

he gave us more to have and to explore. He did not have us locked up in a petry dish.

And God did create everything and you don't have the common sense to see it, like the way you did not have the common sense in my question to say, take me above everything so I can have a top view of earth...

he gave us more to have and to explore. He did not have us locked up in a petry dish.

How is a spherical Earth more than an infinite flat Earth?

And God did create everything and you don't have the common sense to see it, like the way you did not have the common sense in my question to say, take me above everything so I can have a top view of earth...

No, I have the rational mind to see a god just pushes the problem back and there is no reason to think any exist or created anything.
Just like I did before, where I stated evidence would convince me, rather than just restricting it to a single item or making a massive list.

The God excuse if for everyone that isn't educated at all and doesnt understand how things work.What is your proof ,that God created everything ? Where is God ? How do you know what did God say and what he wants ,who talks to him ? Can you show us a photo of him ?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:23:17 AM

he gave us more to have and to explore. He did not have us locked up in a petry dish.

How is a spherical Earth more than an infinite flat Earth?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:23:17 AM

And God did create everything and you don't have the common sense to see it, like the way you did not have the common sense in my question to say, take me above everything so I can have a top view of earth...

No, I have the rational mind to see a god just pushes the problem back and there is no reason to think any exist or created anything.
Just like I did before, where I stated evidence would convince me, rather than just restricting it to a single item or making a massive list.

If we have a spherical earth, then we have planets to go and explore....

By putting your head in the hole, will not make God go away.

If we have a spherical earth, then we have planets to go and explore....

Sure, which are difficult to get to.
By having an infinite plane or infinitely many, we still have loads of places to explore.

By putting your head in the hole, will not make God go away.

And you sticking yours in a hole wont make him appear.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 03:28:21 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

You don't get it!!!
From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If that was the case then a flat Earth wouldn't need a god.

If the only way to get a flat Earth is with a god, and a spherical Earth could exist without a god, then a round Earth shows God is not being powerful and instead letting the universe do its thing.

What would be great is a higher dimensional Earth with many infinite planes with links between them and around different places on them to allow infinite space for us to inhabit.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

But it isn't ideology. The truth is that Earth is round.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

There is no science that supports a flat Earth over a round one.
It either works on both, or just on a round Earth.

NO, God created either a Flat Earth or a Spherical Earth. But if God Created a spherical earth, then his love for us is even more than in a Flat Earth.

Which God are you talking about?

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 08:06:00 AM

Inflatearth I honestly suggest you take a deep breath and go get yourself some help, you're taking all this far too seriously.

 It seems like you could be spiraling off into a dangerous place.

You don't get it!!!

From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

If you make an error, then you correct it, tell the people that you were wrong and move on. IF you don't say that you were wrong, then you don't have any credibility.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

I find it very interesting that you now reverse your earlier points about God and the spherical Earth.  You claimed that the whole Idea behind spherical Earth was created by Satan to diminish the power of God. 
So how does that work out then?  Is it your position that God created a flat Earth and therefore is intentionally less powerful than he would be in the so called deception made up by Satan to intentionally make God have less power?

I mean it is my position that God should not make sense, but up until now you have been rather hard line on your literal interpretations of bible verses.  Why are you now reversing that stance?  Could it be that you are full of shit?

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 08:06:00 AM

Inflatearth I honestly suggest you take a deep breath and go get yourself some help, you're taking all this far too seriously.

 It seems like you could be spiraling off into a dangerous place.

You don't get it!!!

From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

If you make an error, then you correct it, tell the people that you were wrong and move on. IF you don't say that you were wrong, then you don't have any credibility.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

I'm afraid you are the one that clearly doesn't 'get it'.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the comment of mine that you quoted. I am saying you appear to be having some kind of online breakdown and you reply as if I commented on the relationship between God and a spherical or flat earth??

Once again showing a clear and alarming lack of basic comprehension skills. The same deficit that causes you to interpret all evidence as supporting your particular flat earth bias.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 05:35:20 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:23:17 AM

he gave us more to have and to explore. He did not have us locked up in a petry dish.

How is a spherical Earth more than an infinite flat Earth?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:23:17 AM

And God did create everything and you don't have the common sense to see it, like the way you did not have the common sense in my question to say, take me above everything so I can have a top view of earth...

No, I have the rational mind to see a god just pushes the problem back and there is no reason to think any exist or created anything.
Just like I did before, where I stated evidence would convince me, rather than just restricting it to a single item or making a massive list.

If we have a spherical earth, then we have planets to go and explore....

By putting your head in the hole, will not make God go away.

Ok same as the FEF assertion, where is the proof?
No a book doesn't count. Neither do miracles that are easily attributed to natural phenomenon. Neither do voices in your head.

What would it take for me to believe in a flat earth?

Right now, it would probably take this:

A predictive flat earth model that works better than a spherical earth in all instances.

This would need to be backed up with credible scientific data in repeatable experiments that showed meaningful flaws in the round earth model- such that Ockham's Razor makes a flat earth model the more credible option.


Basically, it would take the sort of craziness that actually happened that prompted Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Boer's Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (repeatable, non-flawed scientific data contradicted the current theory).  I don't think that we are finished figuring out the true nature of the universe.  But the current scientific data on the subject is overwhelmingly in favor of a round earth, and I have yet to see any peer reviewed information supporting a flat earth.


Also- Flat Earth would have to require a lot less conspiracy in order to work.  I have a hard time believing that pretty much every nation, airline pilot, scientist, explorer and ship's navigator are spending so many resources covering up the truth in order to fool me.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 08:06:00 AM

Inflatearth I honestly suggest you take a deep breath and go get yourself some help, you're taking all this far too seriously.

 It seems like you could be spiraling off into a dangerous place.

You don't get it!!!

From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

If you make an error, then you correct it, tell the people that you were wrong and move on. IF you don't say that you were wrong, then you don't have any credibility.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

I find it very interesting that you now reverse your earlier points about God and the spherical Earth.  You claimed that the whole Idea behind spherical Earth was created by Satan to diminish the power of God. 
So how does that work out then?  Is it your position that God created a flat Earth and therefore is intentionally less powerful than he would be in the so called deception made up by Satan to intentionally make God have less power?

I mean it is my position that God should not make sense, but up until now you have been rather hard line on your literal interpretations of bible verses.  Why are you now reversing that stance?  Could it be that you are full of shit?

Without a heliocentric Fair-tail, then their could not be Evolution and thus diminish God.

Even the Bible has a record that the snake (Satan) told Eve, that if she eats the Fruit (Not an Apple) will become like God. This is nothing more than evolution!!!

Why quote someone's question then go out of your way to not answer it???

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 27, 2017, 06:01:55 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 08:06:00 AM

Inflatearth I honestly suggest you take a deep breath and go get yourself some help, you're taking all this far too seriously.

 It seems like you could be spiraling off into a dangerous place.

You don't get it!!!

From a religious point of view, a Flat Earth diminishes the power of God, compared to a spherical universe.

If I really wanted to say how powerful God is, I would stick to the spherical ideology but I believe that the truth must be told.

If you make an error, then you correct it, tell the people that you were wrong and move on. IF you don't say that you were wrong, then you don't have any credibility.

In a Flat Earth God is less powerful than a Spherical Earth, but I still supported, because up to now, it makes sense and their is regular science that support it.

I find it very interesting that you now reverse your earlier points about God and the spherical Earth.  You claimed that the whole Idea behind spherical Earth was created by Satan to diminish the power of God. 
So how does that work out then?  Is it your position that God created a flat Earth and therefore is intentionally less powerful than he would be in the so called deception made up by Satan to intentionally make God have less power?

I mean it is my position that God should not make sense, but up until now you have been rather hard line on your literal interpretations of bible verses.  Why are you now reversing that stance?  Could it be that you are full of shit?

Without a heliocentric Fair-tail, then their could not be Evolution and thus diminish God.

Even the Bible has a record that the snake (Satan) told Eve, that if she eats the Fruit (Not an Apple) will become like God. This is nothing more than evolution!!!

You have a head. Google has a head. You are nothing more than Google.

Without a heliocentric Fair-tail, then their could not be Evolution and thus diminish God.

Why couldn't there be evolution on a flat Earth?

Because the entire reason he believes in a flat earth is so he can tell himself evolution is fake?