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What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen all the evidence I need to confirm a spinning, spherical earth.


I do not believe in any higher power creator.

He would have to re-wire my brain to the point that I completely miss comprehend the world around me.

He would have to convince me that millions of people are knowingly part of a massive conspiracy (including my wife who is an architect and has worked on designs that needed adjusted by engineers to account for earths curvature).

Or he could just show me the earth being all flat and non spherical (should be easy enough, it is God after all).

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Actual evidence showing Earth is flat. This means that it mustn't be evidence which is compatible with both a flat and round Earth.
As well as a working model which can at least explain several things.


However you could get me to reject Earth being round by pointing out issues with that model, actual issues, not just lies.

Now a question for you akin to what you have asked:
What would it take to convince you that every building in America is made of cheese?
That is like what you are asking for.
There is not a single shred of evidence for the FE model (actually for it, i.e. doesn't work in RE), and there is plenty of evidence against it.

EDIT: Alternatively, what would it take for you to accept Earth is round (i.e. roughly spherical)?

By using the Zetetic Method, I have Personally Observed the Sun lowering beneath the Plane of the Earth, the Horizon dropping as I fly my Aeroplane, Night in America and Day in Japan while I skype my Wife, the Rotation of the Stars around Polaris, the Absence of Polaris from latitudes South of the Equator, the Solar and the Lunar Eclipse, the Disappearance of a Sailboat from the Bottom up while he sails away from me, and the Absence of any Logic or Skills in the Art of Debate from the FE Folk.

Conclusion:  The Earth is round.

I do not want or require proof for my religion.  What does it say about my faith if I have to lie to force reality to match very much  inconsequential details of a story from my religion?  Is faith something the can be proven?  Is it still faith then?
I also understand how science works.  I am an actual engineer that has worked with this stuff many times.   There is no possible way that it is flat.   

So why is your faith so weak or non existent as to need proof so bad?

This is a pretty good thread for exposing the failure of imagination of REers which seems to be a common thing. They're stuck with the idea that FET means one particular thing, and most never move past that. Take:

What would it take to convince you that every building in America is made of cheese?

For starters, a good option would be the discovery that the molecular structure of stone falls under the category of cheese. There's one good answer, and it illustrates the clear flaw with how you think about everything. You are coming at this from the position of everything you know about the world being wrong, rather than the position of having certain flawed interpretations of what you know about the world.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen all the evidence I need to confirm a spinning, spherical earth.


I do not believe in any higher power creator.

You are not a scientist, but a bullshit artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

He would have to re-wire my brain to the point that I completely miss comprehend the world around me.

He would have to convince me that millions of people are knowingly part of a massive conspiracy (including my wife who is an architect and has worked on designs that needed adjusted by engineers to account for earths curvature).

Or he could just show me the earth being all flat and non spherical (should be easy enough, it is God after all).

I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

In all your posts, you never stated the most obvious one of all.

Have God, or NASA take you up in space where you can view the Earth and the Sun and then take you to the Moon so you can walk on it.

This would also work to prove that the Earth is a sphere.

The simplest thing and you did not even think about it.

Some said, "absolutely NO", they know that the Earth is Round!!!

Thank you for pointing out, that you have zero common sense and thus regular people cant debate you.

You just know the "book facts" that they told you were true.

This is the only test that could be done to persuade the other side!!!

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A analytical solution all the same observations we have spherical earth models for.  They must be testable and repeatable.

Mike

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A analytical solution all the same observations we have spherical earth models for.  They must be testable and repeatable.

Mike

You believe your math, more than your eyes....

This is a pretty good thread for exposing the failure of imagination of REers which seems to be a common thing. They're stuck with the idea that FET means one particular thing, and most never move past that. Take:

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What would it take to convince you that every building in America is made of cheese?

For starters, a good option would be the discovery that the molecular structure of stone falls under the category of cheese. There's one good answer, and it illustrates the clear flaw with how you think about everything. You are coming at this from the position of everything you know about the world being wrong, rather than the position of having certain flawed interpretations of what you know about the world.

No, I am coming at it completely right.
All the evidence points to buildings being made of stone, not cheese.
Just like all the evidence points to Earth being round, not flat.

This "flawed interpretation" applies just as well to buildings being made of cheese as it does to Earth being flat.

In all your posts, you never stated the most obvious one of all.
Have God, or NASA take you up in space where you can view the Earth and the Sun and then take you to the Moon so you can walk on it.

That would count as evidence for Earth being flat.

I was being more general. Did you want me to list everything that would count as evidence?

I also note you completely ignored my question.

You believe your math, more than your eyes....

No. My eyes indicate Earth is round, such as due to things disappearing from the bottom up.
But I know my eyes aren't perfect.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:10:29 AM

In all your posts, you never stated the most obvious one of all.
Have God, or NASA take you up in space where you can view the Earth and the Sun and then take you to the Moon so you can walk on it.

That would count as evidence for Earth being flat.

I was being more general. Did you want me to list everything that would count as evidence?

And a sphere too...

Sometimes the simplest way, is the only way to go to end an argument.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 05:20:53 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:10:29 AM

In all your posts, you never stated the most obvious one of all.
Have God, or NASA take you up in space where you can view the Earth and the Sun and then take you to the Moon so you can walk on it.

That would count as evidence for Earth being flat.

I was being more general. Did you want me to list everything that would count as evidence?

And a sphere too...

Okay, to be more specific, going to space and seeing the entirety of Earth at once, right to the ice ring/edge, would be evidence that Earth is flat. It would not be evidence that it is round.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:22:04 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 05:20:53 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:10:29 AM

In all your posts, you never stated the most obvious one of all.
Have God, or NASA take you up in space where you can view the Earth and the Sun and then take you to the Moon so you can walk on it.

That would count as evidence for Earth being flat.

I was being more general. Did you want me to list everything that would count as evidence?

And a sphere too...

Okay, to be more specific, going to space and seeing the entirety of Earth at once, right to the ice ring/edge, would be evidence that Earth is flat. It would not be evidence that it is round.

I had also said to see the sun and go walk on the moon...

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A MAP really, mind you it can be done with 17th century tech.... so go ahead, and don't need a god for that.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A MAP really, mind you it can be done with 17th century tech.... so go ahead, and don't need a god for that.

You too have NO common sense, the simplest answer is always the best!

Take you up in space so you can see the Earth, and Sun and if the Earth is a sphere and not flat, to take you to the moon to walk on it.

You are not a scientist, but a BS artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

And, most certainly
nothing more.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:00:58 AM

You are not a scientist, but a BS artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

And, most certainly

You are not a scientist, but a BS artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

nothing more.

The simplest things to think of to prove your argument, is impossible for you. You only say what they told you to say.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on July 26, 2017, 03:39:55 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen all the evidence I need to confirm a spinning, spherical earth.


I do not believe in any higher power creator.

You are not a scientist, but a bullshit artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

You asked a question, I answered honestly.

So, fuck you and your flat Earth delusion.

You have been repeatedly called out and proven wrong, in multiple threads, but when I answered a simple question that requires no proof, you call ME a bullshit artist?

Again, fuck off!

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:00:58 AM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on July 26, 2017, 03:39:55 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen all the evidence I need to confirm a spinning, spherical earth.


I do not believe in any higher power creator.

You are not a scientist, but a bullshit artist that tries to pass his agenda to the people.

You asked a question, I answered honestly.

So, fuck you and your flat Earth delusion.

You have been repeatedly called out and proven wrong, in multiple threads, but when I answered a simple question that requires no proof, you call ME a bullshit artist?

Again, fuck off!

You have no common sense at all,

you are like those workers that place grass rugs for the landscaping where the foreman has to instruct them that the Green side goes up.

No common sense and is also also closed mined, again proving my point that you are nothing more than a troll that has been planted in this forum to debunk all post that threaten you religion!

Quote from: MicroBeta on July 26, 2017, 05:11:13 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A analytical solution all the same observations we have spherical earth models for.  They must be testable and repeatable.

Mike

You believe your math, more than your eyes....

Absolutely. Eyes are notoriously unreliable. Not to mention I have seen nothing the indicates the earth is flat so there's that.

If there are no predictive models how do you prove observations or measurements?

Mike

Quote from: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 05:25:00 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A MAP really, mind you it can be done with 17th century tech.... so go ahead, and don't need a god for that.

You too have NO common sense, the simplest answer is always the best!

Take you up in space so you can see the Earth, and Sun and if the Earth is a sphere and not flat, to take you to the moon to walk on it.

That's hardly the simplest maybe the simpletonest, I am not five year old thanks I am fine to think in geometric relations.

Also there is something called geodesy its literally measuring the earth shape, the actual geometry for maps, borders and large scale constructions.

Please provide your geodetic measurements here, its only takes some skill and a theodolite can be brought on ebay  :

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:17:20 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on July 26, 2017, 05:11:13 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A analytical solution all the same observations we have spherical earth models for.  They must be testable and repeatable.

Mike

You believe your math, more than your eyes....

Absolutely. Eyes are notoriously unreliable. Not to mention I have seen nothing the indicates the earth is flat so there's that.

If there are no predictive models how do you prove observations or measurements?

Mike

If you don't believe your eyes, then don't trust them when you try to find a girlfriend...

As for her to do a mathematical model so you can determine if she is right for you...

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:27:42 AM

Quote from: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 05:25:00 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A MAP really, mind you it can be done with 17th century tech.... so go ahead, and don't need a god for that.

You too have NO common sense, the simplest answer is always the best!

Take you up in space so you can see the Earth, and Sun and if the Earth is a sphere and not flat, to take you to the moon to walk on it.

That's hardly the simplest maybe the simpletonest, I am not five year old thanks I am fine to think in geometric relations.

Also there is something called geodesy its literally measuring the earth shape, the actual geometry for maps, borders and large scale constructions.

Please provide your geodetic measurements here, its only takes some skill and a theodolite can be brought on ebay  :

And how do you know that they are true and not fake...

Just say the truth that you did not think about it.

Just be honest and stop trying to BS your way out of it.

And thank you for helping me prove my point, that you lack common sense.

Or just set up a microwave link beyond specification, oh those determined by earth curvature and radio propagation, line of sight communication

Quote from: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 05:44:14 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:27:42 AM

Quote from: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 05:25:00 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:32:38 AM

What would it take for a Spherical Earth Believe to accept that the Earth is Flat?

Be honest, their must be something that God could do for you, in order to believe that the earth is Flat

A MAP really, mind you it can be done with 17th century tech.... so go ahead, and don't need a god for that.

You too have NO common sense, the simplest answer is always the best!

Take you up in space so you can see the Earth, and Sun and if the Earth is a sphere and not flat, to take you to the moon to walk on it.

That's hardly the simplest maybe the simpletonest, I am not five year old thanks I am fine to think in geometric relations.

Also there is something called geodesy its literally measuring the earth shape, the actual geometry for maps, borders and large scale constructions.

Please provide your geodetic measurements here, its only takes some skill and a theodolite can be brought on ebay  :

And how do you know that they are true and not fake...

Just say the truth that you did not think about it.

Just be honest and stop trying to BS your way out of it.

And thank you for helping me prove my point, that you lack common sense.

How do I know ? USING a map maybe actually going out and confirm distances with traveling them ? Thats count for one, also there is a whole industry and economy depending on accurate maps, and they seems to work just fine.