Dogmatic Atheism

Holy shit, did you just agree with me?

HOLY SHIT DID I JUST GET A FLAWLESS VICTORY?!?

The word is spelt exist!!!!!  You're obviously not making a typo, so I wanted to point that out so I don't have to look at "excist" every time you post.

You're clearly wrong and clearly won't be convinced because you have a dogmatic belief that we are here for the purpose of sex, so instead of trying to convince you, I suggest you read some books about evolution.  Probably the most highly regarded book on the subject (apart from Origin) is The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins (which I haven't read yet, but have on my bookshelf).  It's obvious that you've never studied evolution, so instead of debating this issue, I suggest you try to learn more about the subject, at least so we can be on the same page.

Apperently I know more than you do. I thought with your books you would be smarter.
I dont mean we are here to hump and die. You obviously have some other stuff to do while you live ( duuuuh ). But thats something you decided yourself ("I'm gonna be rich!"). Thats a personal issue. The goal of our species is to keep existing, like you said earlier: We exist because we are good in it, so we keep existing.
But YOU as an individual can't keep existing, so that cant be the purpose of life. So that's why we reproduce.
Saying I wont have children for this or that is again just a personal issue.

Like so.

GET BORN --> GROW UP --> REPRODUCE ---> DIE

Anything in between is what you make of your life. And i suggest that everybody should make the best of it.

Holy shit, did you just agree with me?

HOLY SHIT DID I JUST GET A FLAWLESS VICTORY?!?

Not really.

There is no "higher purpose" like you said. We are organisms, just like bacteria, or anything else. We just got a set of big brains to go with it. Read my above post and you might understand.

Apperently I know more than you do. I thought with your books you would be smarter... The goal of our species is to keep existing, like you said earlier: We exist because we are good in it, so we keep existing.

Clearly that's not the case at all, and you're completely misquoting me.  Understand this.  We are not here for any reason.  Evolution is the purposeless adoption to the current environment.  Things are not getting better for a future goal, they're getting better because being better makes them survive more than things that don't get better.  Evolution is just reaction to environment - There is no purpose.  We keep existing because we're good at existing.  If something else was better, we wouldn't exist and that would neither be good or bad.  Existence as a result of what has come before, not what we are trying to achieve.  The fact that we keep existing has no meaning without context.  I don't think I can keep repeating myself in different ways, we don't have any purpose or goal.

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Apperently I know more than you do. I thought with your books you would be smarter... The goal of our species is to keep existing, like you said earlier: We exist because we are good in it, so we keep existing.

Clearly that's not the case at all, and you're completely misquoting me.  Understand this.  We are not here for any reason.  Evolution is the purposeless adoption to the current environment.  Things are not getting better for a future goal, they're getting better because being better makes them survive more than things that don't get better.  Evolution is just reaction to environment - There is no purpose.  We keep existing because we're good at existing.  If something else was better, we wouldn't exist and that would neither be good or bad.  Existence as a result of what has come before, not what we are trying to achieve.  The fact that we keep existing has no meaning without context.  I don't think I can keep repeating myself in different ways, we don't have any purpose or goal.

Seems you dont understand that i DO understand you. I know evolution is pure random, and everything that comes with it. But, we are not feeling evolution at this moment, it's slowly changing us. But not in a way we remember how diffrent we looked a few years ago. We live NOW in our current forms. And now that we exist, that came so randomly due to evolution, our goal is to keep existing. But to do this, we have to reproduce or mankind will be gone over a hundred years. Get what I'm saying now?

Seems you dont understand that i DO understand you. I know evolution is pure random, and everything that comes with it. But, we are not feeling evolution at this moment, it's slowly changing us. But not in a way we remember how diffrent we looked a few years ago. We live NOW in our current forms. And now that we exist, that came so randomly due to evolution, our goal is to keep existing. But to do this, we have to reproduce or mankind will be gone over a hundred years. Get what I'm saying now?

Beast understands exactly what you are claiming, he is just saying that you are wrong.

Who decided that mankind's goal is to reproduce? Nobody, because there is no plan for our race. We do not have a purpose.

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Seems you dont understand that i DO understand you. I know evolution is pure random, and everything that comes with it. But, we are not feeling evolution at this moment, it's slowly changing us. But not in a way we remember how diffrent we looked a few years ago. We live NOW in our current forms. And now that we exist, that came so randomly due to evolution, our goal is to keep existing. But to do this, we have to reproduce or mankind will be gone over a hundred years. Get what I'm saying now?

Beast understands exactly what you are claiming, he is just saying that you are wrong.

Who decided that mankind's goal is to reproduce? Nobody, because there is no plan for our race. We do not have a purpose.

MANKIND WOULDNT EVEN BE IF OUR ANCESTORS DIDNT HUMP EACHOTHER! Doh!

We do not have a purpose.

Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive, like every other organism in the universe does. KEEPING THEIR SPECIES ALIVE.

This is done by fucking.

MANKIND WOULDNT EVEN BE IF OUR ANCESTORS DIDNT HUMP EACHOTHER! Doh!

That doesn't mean that reproducing is our purpose.

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We do not have a purpose.

Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive, like every other organism in the universe does. KEEPING THEIR SPECIES ALIVE.

This is done by fraking.

Lol i just contradicted myself.. .lol nvermind that you get what i mean

Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive...

Yes, that is saying that we have a purpose, which we don't.

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Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive...

Yes, that is saying that we have a purpose, which we don't.

Then you might as well die. ( You, not mankind )

Then you might as well die. ( You, not mankind )

Why, because I don't have a purpose?

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Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive...

Yes, that is saying that we have a purpose, which we don't.

Then you might as well die. ( You, not mankind )

I hope natural selection finds you some day.  I kind of feel bad that you think that reproduction is the only important thing in life.

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Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive...

Yes, that is saying that we have a purpose, which we don't.

Then you might as well die. ( You, not mankind )

I hope natural selection finds you some day.  I kind of feel bad that you think that reproduction is the only important thing in life.

 :lol:  Ok... but thats not what i mean. I mean that humans have to reproduce so our species may exist forever. Like i said earlier, what ever you make of your life has nothing to do with all of mankind. So if you think (example:) you need to be rich to be happy, than thats something you find important.

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Did I say we have a purpose? No i said our purpose is to keep our species alive...

Yes, that is saying that we have a purpose, which we don't.

Then you might as well die. ( You, not mankind )

I hope natural selection finds you some day.  I kind of feel bad that you think that reproduction is the only important thing in life.

 :lol:  Ok... but thats not what i mean. I mean that humans have to reproduce so our species may exist forever. Like i said earlier, what ever you make of your life has nothing to do with all of mankind. So if you think (example:) you need to be rich to be happy, than thats something you find important.

:lol:  Ok... but thats not what i mean. I mean that humans have to reproduce so our species may exist forever. Like i said earlier, what ever you make of your life has nothing to do with all of mankind. So if you think (example:) you need to be rich to be happy, than thats something you find important.

Yes, it is in our best interest to breed, but that does not make it our purpose for living. There can not be a purpose for us without a creator to assign us a purpose.

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:lol:  Ok... but thats not what i mean. I mean that humans have to reproduce so our species may exist forever. Like i said earlier, what ever you make of your life has nothing to do with all of mankind. So if you think (example:) you need to be rich to be happy, than thats something you find important.

Yes, it is in our best interest to breed, but that does not make it our purpose for living. There can not be a purpose for us without a creator to assign us a purpose.

Oh can't there?

Oh can't there?

Unless of course we give ourselves a purpose, but that would be on an individual level, where as he is saying that everyone has the same purpose that is automatically assigned to them.

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Oh can't there?

Unless of course we give ourselves a purpose, but that would be on an individual level, where as he is saying that everyone has the same purpose that is automatically assigned to them.

Lets see what you mean: "We dont have a purpose, we exist to exist" ?
Well you and me cant exist forever. To... somehow... exist forever, we have to reproduce, that way our species will keep existing. We exist to exist, but also to make sure our species keeps existing.

It's like asking what is the purpose of a rock:

• It doesn't have one unless you assign one to it.
• Each assignment of purpose is on an individual rock level as oppposed to one purpose for all rocks.

The only difference is we assign our own purposes.

It's like asking what is the purpose of a rock:

• It doesn't have one unless you assign one to it.
• Each assignment of purpose is on an individual rock level as oppposed to one purpose for all rocks.

The only difference is we assign our own purposes.

Yes, we do. But mankind is here now to make sure that the mankind of the future exists.

Lets see what you mean: "We dont have a purpose, we exist to exist" ?
Well you and me cant exist forever. To... somehow... exist forever, we have to reproduce, that way our species will keep existing. We exist to exist, but also to make sure our species keeps existing.

We can choose to further the life of the species by reproducing but we can also choose not to.

Reproduction is not a purpose for living, there is no purpose.

Yes, we do. But mankind is here now to make sure that the mankind of the future exists.

There is no "mankind", humans are not a collective.

I know plenty of people who are choosing not to have children.

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Yes, we do. But mankind is here now to make sure that the mankind of the future exists.

There is no "mankind", humans are not a collective.

I know plenty of people who are choosing not to have children.

Like i said earlier.. thats your personal issue. And whats that?? Arent we a species?? What so now nobody have babies?

Like i said earlier.. thats your personal issue. And whats that?? Arent we a species?? What so now nobody have babies?

So my friends aren't fulfilling their purpose? Should I get them raped? If I don't get them raped am I also not fulfilling my purpose?

More importantly if our purpose is to reproduce so that the species can survive what is the purpose of the species surviving?

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Like i said earlier.. thats your personal issue. And whats that?? Arent we a species?? What so now nobody have babies?

So my friends aren't fulfilling their purpose? Should I get them raped? If I don't get them raped am I also not fulfilling my purpose?

More importantly if our purpose is to reproduce so that the species can survive what is the purpose of the species surviving?

Good point. Dont know. Think of something yourself.

Good point. Dont know. Think of something yourself.

Gotcha.

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Good point. Dont know. Think of something yourself.

Gotcha.

Have you thought of something yet?