A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2017, 08:50:48 AM »
Is this all the Flat Earth Community has to offer?
If you visit The Other Flat Earth Society Site there are some old time members who are much better at debating this rubbish.  None of them actually believe the earth is flat, but that is by-the-by. 

This forum is more fun however.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2017, 08:53:57 AM »
I am working at a university, so yes, you could say that. On the other hand, I have not made any siginificant publications yet. Decide for yourself.

Name one high level precision prediction by a psychic.

This is way off topic. But uh heh it's fun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project


CIA declassified all this stuff earlier this year...

"psychics" describing classified operations with extreme accuracy.

Bias? Prolly somewhere. Modern science does the same. Without testing and peer review - "REAL" peer review and not bought and paid for reviews...science is a joke.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2017, 09:48:25 AM »
No more psychic talk on my post.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2017, 09:55:40 AM »
No more psychic talk on my post.

Hahahahaha

Why are you afraid of science you dont understand?

Thats all psychics do, is use knowledge you do not understand.

The CIA is certainly interested...

Why not an "A" level physics student...

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2017, 09:57:18 AM »
No more psychic talk on my post.
I knew that you were going to say that.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2017, 09:57:48 AM »
Without a simplified unified theory - I can't accept anything 20th century physics has to offer to explain phenomena. QM should be dismissed.

Why should QM be dismissed when it works as a model for a lot of cases?

Modern science has a way of supporting that which is "popular" and not what is "repeatable". Stick with science long enough and you'll see publications are all a big popularity contest. - oh and who's pulling the popularity strings? Large corporations with a large financial stake.

Perhaps. I don’t know. It would also depend on the field, since you mentioned large corporation. There is profits to be made in pharmaceuticals, dentistry, agriculture, batteries and photovoltaics. Not all science fields have commercial applications.

Repeating experimental observation is extremely UNPOPULAR for scientists......this is a slap in the face for science.

I though QM theory was based on experimentation for the most part. They even continue experimenting on it now. A new imaging technique was proposed in the 1980s and it has been implemented now and it seems to show the inner orbitals of a hydrogen atom. It looks like 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s. Another experiment done to see if the Bell equation could be violated.


What's being parading around as the "infallible art" is there to give the population content in their lives. It's a big show.

I`ve never been told that it is an infallible art. I have been told that science, theories, single ideas are like bus stops. Science tends to be dynamic while most parts of it are not.

Truth is we don't know anything and are simply guessing and prodding around our questionable existence. People don't want to accept this - ...and will create any sort of make believe worlds for themselves to make everything "a-ok".

You are exaggerating.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2017, 09:58:34 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2017, 10:13:11 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2017, 10:40:44 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

When one begins to pedantically scrutinise semantics then it can be inferred they are out of arguments. To return to my question based off of a brilliantly proposed post, please explain why on a "perfectly flat" and barren plane a town 10 miles away is not visible from ground level, but is visible from a tower.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2017, 10:42:08 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

When one begins to pedantically scrutinise semantics then it can be inferred they are out of arguments. To return to my question based off of a brilliantly proposed post, please explain why on a "perfectly flat" and barren plane a town 10 miles away is not visible from ground level, but is visible from a tower.
Perspective is usually the FE'ers go to answer.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2017, 10:45:51 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

When one begins to pedantically scrutinise semantics then it can be inferred they are out of arguments. To return to my question based off of a brilliantly proposed post, please explain why on a "perfectly flat" and barren plane a town 10 miles away is not visible from ground level, but is visible from a tower.
Perspective is usually the FE'ers go to answer.

Although not a correct one. I think that's why they've all avoided answering this question because they know that it immediately debunks their entire philosophy. Also, as they may begin to say, dust is not the issue. This phenomenon can also be seen at see when a boat's hull dissappears under the horizon before the mast.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2017, 10:55:49 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

When one begins to pedantically scrutinise semantics then it can be inferred they are out of arguments. To return to my question based off of a brilliantly proposed post, please explain why on a "perfectly flat" and barren plane a town 10 miles away is not visible from ground level, but is visible from a tower.
Perspective is usually the FE'ers go to answer.

Although not a correct one. I think that's why they've all avoided answering this question because they know that it immediately debunks their entire philosophy. Also, as they may begin to say, dust is not the issue. This phenomenon can also be seen at see when a boat's hull dissappears under the horizon before the mast.
Personally, I prefer to stay away from the "over the horizon" observation arguments because there are all sorts of atmospheric refractive phenomena that can skew the results one way or another.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2017, 11:37:25 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

When one begins to pedantically scrutinise semantics then it can be inferred they are out of arguments. To return to my question based off of a brilliantly proposed post, please explain why on a "perfectly flat" and barren plane a town 10 miles away is not visible from ground level, but is visible from a tower.
Perspective is usually the FE'ers go to answer.

Although not a correct one. I think that's why they've all avoided answering this question because they know that it immediately debunks their entire philosophy. Also, as they may begin to say, dust is not the issue. This phenomenon can also be seen at see when a boat's hull dissappears under the horizon before the mast.
Personally, I prefer to stay away from the "over the horizon" observation arguments because there are all sorts of atmospheric refractive phenomena that can skew the results one way or another.

Very well, can it be explained then why FE'rs believe than we are the only planet in the entire universe that is flat? It is quite clear if you look at any other celestial body such as the moon or Pluto that they are spherical, and therefore it would be a tremendous coincidence for the Earth to be an exception without bringing religion into this argument.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2017, 11:40:00 AM »
Very well, can it be explained then why FE'rs believe than we are the only planet in the entire universe that is flat? It is quite clear if you look at any other celestial body such as the moon or Pluto that they are spherical, and therefore it would be a tremendous coincidence for the Earth to be an exception without bringing religion into this argument.
The standard reply is that the flat earth is not a planet or other celestial body, so why should it resemble one?

You may want to check out the FAQ for some of the more common questions:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0#.WPevMk-68aY

There is also a flat earth wiki:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2017, 11:43:34 AM »
Very well, can it be explained then why FE'rs believe than we are the only planet in the entire universe that is flat? It is quite clear if you look at any other celestial body such as the moon or Pluto that they are spherical, and therefore it would be a tremendous coincidence for the Earth to be an exception without bringing religion into this argument.
The standard reply is that the flat earth is not a planet or other celestial body, so why should it resemble one?

I don't see what that implies. If Earth isn't a terrestrial body, then what do they suppose it is? This just gets goofier and goofier the more you learn . I'm starting to believe these people only exactly to halt progress and regress evolution.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2017, 11:45:10 AM »
Very well, can it be explained then why FE'rs believe than we are the only planet in the entire universe that is flat? It is quite clear if you look at any other celestial body such as the moon or Pluto that they are spherical, and therefore it would be a tremendous coincidence for the Earth to be an exception without bringing religion into this argument.
The standard reply is that the flat earth is not a planet or other celestial body, so why should it resemble one?

I don't see what that implies. If Earth isn't a terrestrial body, then what do they suppose it is?
A terrestrial body isn't the same thing as a celestial body, is it?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2017, 11:51:50 AM »
My apologies, I should clarify they're not, but often you can use the terms interchangeably.

Celestial Body: Body outside of Earth.

Terrestrial Body: Body which is made of solid matter.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2017, 11:59:51 AM »

I though QM theory was based on experimentation for the most part. They even continue experimenting on it now. A new imaging technique was proposed in the 1980s and it has been implemented now and it seems to show the inner orbitals of a hydrogen atom. It looks like 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s. Another experiment done to see if the Bell equation could be violated.

hrmm - I'd quip that I've personally always had an issue with repeatability... Philosophically - when a scientific hypothesis espouses the existence of a "necessary incompleteness" describing said hypothesis- That right there points to pulling wool over your eyes, no?

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2017, 12:01:40 PM »
My apologies, I should clarify they're not, but often you can use the terms interchangeably.

Celestial Body: Body outside of Earth.

Terrestrial Body: Body which is made of solid matter.
And that's the FE'ers point, the terms are not interchangeable in FET.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2017, 12:16:19 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that these nuts will believe any shit they want simply because it gives them an ego boost in their tiny little world. They feel that by investing themselves in a conspiracy theory they are being anti-establishment and that their basement lives leeching of their parents have meaning. I'm going to call time on this discussion at least for my self as my sanity can't take any more BS. Please feel free to continue but I think I've learnt what I needed to know.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2017, 12:42:27 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that these nuts will believe any shit they want simply because it gives them an ego boost in their tiny little world. They feel that by investing themselves in a conspiracy theory they are being anti-establishment and that their basement lives leeching of their parents have meaning. I'm going to call time on this discussion at least for my self as my sanity can't take any more BS. Please feel free to continue but I think I've learnt what I needed to know.

sounds like head in the sand talk to me there, bud.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2017, 01:02:42 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that these nuts will believe any shit they want simply because it gives them an ego boost in their tiny little world. They feel that by investing themselves in a conspiracy theory they are being anti-establishment and that their basement lives leeching of their parents have meaning. I'm going to call time on this discussion at least for my self as my sanity can't take any more BS. Please feel free to continue but I think I've learnt what I needed to know.
Believe it or not, some FE arguments are intended to challenge you to question why you believe some of things that you're told, and healthy bit of skepticism is never a bad thing.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #82 on: April 19, 2017, 01:28:26 PM »
As the title suggests, I'm an A Level physics student and I'm here for anyone that believe in flat earth theory to answer any questions they have and hopefully convince you that the earth is indeed round, which has been theorised for thousands of years and proven for the last four hundred years.

Ask me anything, and please try and explain using EVIDENCE why you believe the earth is flat.

Like you, I believe in a round earth. I believe that pizzas should also be round. How do you feel about pizzas?

I don't mind a good pizza; I emphasise that I believe they should be round!

Wouldn't all the pepperonis fall off your pizza?

In relational to why things don't fall off of the spherical earth, this is because contrary to misconception, gravity isn't a downward force, it pulls in the direction of the strongest mass, therefore, we are pulled towards the centre of the earth.

I'm gonna ask the pizza people to make a globular pizza, I'll tell you the results of my experiment.
Step one: grab bread like this one
Step 2-6 add all the toppings as you would with any other pizza
Done
Not sure what this proves...

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2017, 02:14:39 PM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

Let me be the first to reveal the latest breaking news..... it's wet!

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2017, 04:08:24 PM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.

Let me be the first to reveal the latest breaking news..... it's wet!
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2017, 05:23:57 AM »
Believe it or not, some FE arguments are intended to challenge you to question why you believe some of things that you're told, and healthy bit of skepticism is never a bad thing.
That might have been the original intention - what's left now is mainly lunatics, conspiracy nuts and trolls.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2017, 05:52:45 AM »
Actually, perspective is the correct answer to why you'd be able to see a plane from a tower but not from the ground on a flat earth.
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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2017, 06:02:11 AM »
Actually, perspective is the correct answer to why you'd be able to see a plane from a tower but not from the ground on a flat earth.
Please explain!

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2017, 06:06:14 AM »
If it is not yet understood then it can't yet be used as evidence. I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with mysticism but I'm interested in the concrete or this post is going to get too erratic.

Water is not fully understood.
You are probably correct, but could you explain to us poor ignorant folk just what aspects of water that we do not understand.
I do not expect you to explain them, just list them.

Thanks a lot in advance.

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Re: A Level Physics Student here to refute Flat Earth Theory
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2017, 06:10:57 AM »
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