More evidence from Mt Rainier, WA, USA

Mount rainier is a volcanic mountain in the northwestern United States. It's over 14,000 feet tall. What makes it so remarkable it's not just its height but its incredible height above the surrounding hills.  There are mountains in Colorado that are just as tall, but the surrounding hills and mountains are many thousands of feet higher than the base of Mount Rainier. It is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states.

Here are some pictures to get you acquainted:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rainier

Note that it is easily seen from Seattle (over 50 miles), and can even be seen from the neighboring state of Oregon.

This is important because its unique shape and size make it interesting for studying curvature.

Here it can be seen casting a shadow on clouds above it BEFORE sunrise. (The sun must be below the mountain for it to cast an upward shadow.)

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1062613

Not sure about that one? Here's another with many more views:  http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/the-shadow-of-mount-rainier.html?m=1

Still not sure what you're seeing? Try following the line formed by the edge of the shadows back toward the Sun. There's no way that the Sun is 3,000 miles up in those pictures! If you think so, show me how, please.

My Rainier shows curvature in another way: it is so tall that it can be seen for over 200 miles--but not all of it! Here is a picture of it from maybe 150 ft above sea level taken in Vancouver Island, Canada. You can only see the top third due to curvature.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/4j1ta0/til_mount_rainier_is_visible_from_vancouver_which/

Magnificent!

There are mountains in Colorado that are just as tall, but the surrounding hills and mountains are many thousands of feet higher than the base of Mount Rainier. It is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states.

Mount Whitney

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on April 16, 2017, 07:46:58 PM

There are mountains in Colorado that are just as tall, but the surrounding hills and mountains are many thousands of feet higher than the base of Mount Rainier. It is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states.

Mount Whitney

Yes, Mount Whitney is the highest mountain in the contiguous US of A.

Mount Whitney
Mount Whitney is the highest summit in the contiguous United States and the Sierra Nevada, with an elevation of 14,505 feet (4,421 m). It is on the boundary between California's Inyo and Tulare counties, 84.6 miles (136.2 km)[8] west-northwest of the lowest point in North America at Badwater Basin in Death Valley National Park at 282 ft (86 m) below sea level. The west slope of the mountain is in Sequoia National Park and the summit is the southern terminus of the John Muir Trail which runs 211.9 mi (341.0 km) from Happy Isles in Yosemite Valley.[ The east slope is in the Inyo National Forest in Inyo County.

From Mount Whitney

But Jonny B Smart was saying that "Mount Rainier" "is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states", not quite the same thing.

Whether it is or is not, it is still a useful tool for observing curvature.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 16, 2017, 07:51:32 PM

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on April 16, 2017, 07:46:58 PM

There are mountains in Colorado that are just as tall, but the surrounding hills and mountains are many thousands of feet higher than the base of Mount Rainier. It is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states.

Mount Whitney

Yes, Mount Whitney is the highest mountain in the contiguous US of A.

Quote from: Wikipedia

Mount Whitney
Mount Whitney is the highest summit in the contiguous United States and the Sierra Nevada, with an elevation of 14,505 feet (4,421 m). It is on the boundary between California's Inyo and Tulare counties, 84.6 miles (136.2 km)[8] west-northwest of the lowest point in North America at Badwater Basin in Death Valley National Park at 282 ft (86 m) below sea level. The west slope of the mountain is in Sequoia National Park and the summit is the southern terminus of the John Muir Trail which runs 211.9 mi (341.0 km) from Happy Isles in Yosemite Valley.[ The east slope is in the Inyo National Forest in Inyo County.

From Mount Whitney

But Jonny B Smart was saying that "Mount Rainier" "is the most geographically prominent (sticks up more than any other) mountain in the US lower 48 states", not quite the same thing.

OK, I get it now.

Flat earth could say that the sun is getting further away from us and that is why we get that at that angle. When it is closer we can see it over the mountain. We can look at angles to explain this.

Granted as a light source gets further away, we should see the shadow changing shape. Unless someone has a video showing this...

Also, if it is up in the sky and not over the horizon, why cant we just go north or south and see it?

Flat earth could say that the sun is getting further away from us and that is why we get that at that angle. When it is closer we can see it over the mountain. We can look at angles to explain this.

Granted as a light source gets further away, we should see the shadow changing shape. Unless someone has a video showing this...

Sorry, but that video is pretty pathetic evidence. FE asserts that the Sun is nowhere near the elevation of the surface. All of these so-called "perspective" demonstrations depend on models of things only slightly above the horizon. They claim the Sun is thousands of miles up. Also, it is just not possible to have the light angle up like that. The light will travel in a straight line and doesn't care about our perspective. The light is blocked by the mountain, and the light just passing the edge of the mountain defines the shape of the shadow. That light is clearly angled upward--not possible on FE.

They did their demonstration with cardboard, not a flashlight (torch). Show us that mountain shadow with your flashlight at...let's see the mountain sticks up about 1.5 miles above the hills, and the sun is supposed to be 3,000 miles up, so...to make it to scale then, their flashlight "sun" would have to be 2,000 times higher than their cardboard mountain. Show how that works with your "perspective."

Flat earth could say that the sun is getting further away from us and that is why we get that at that angle. When it is closer we can see it over the mountain. We can look at angles to explain this.

Granted as a light source gets further away, we should see the shadow changing shape. Unless someone has a video showing this...

Except we aren't looking at perspective lines. What we are seeing is the shadow being above the object. The only way a shadow appears is for the object to get in the way of the light.
Perspective has nothing to do with this.

The "true path of the sunlight" in that video wouldn't put a shadow on the cloud. It wouldn't illuminate the bottom of the cloud.

And how does he model the sunset?
By having the sun be below Earth, that little block of wood or cardboard or whatever he is using to hide it.

Remember, in the FE model the sun is meant to be some 5000 km high, and at sunset is typically no more than 10 000 km away, with real distances, with the FE model and their fake distances it can get a bit further away.

It doesn't get anywhere near the distance to height ratio shown in the video.

Quote from: Aviation enthusiast on April 20, 2017, 03:38:43 PM

Flat earth could say that the sun is getting further away from us and that is why we get that at that angle. When it is closer we can see it over the mountain. We can look at angles to explain this.

Granted as a light source gets further away, we should see the shadow changing shape. Unless someone has a video showing this...

Except we aren't looking at perspective lines. What we are seeing is the shadow being above the object. The only way a shadow appears is for the object to get in the way of the light.
Perspective has nothing to do with this.

The "true path of the sunlight" in that video wouldn't put a shadow on the cloud. It wouldn't illuminate the bottom of the cloud.

And how does he model the sunset?
By having the sun be below Earth, that little block of wood or cardboard or whatever he is using to hide it.

Remember, in the FE model the sun is meant to be some 5000 km high, and at sunset is typically no more than 10 000 km away, with real distances, with the FE model and their fake distances it can get a bit further away.

It doesn't get anywhere near the distance to height ratio shown in the video.

You're right
We could see a shadow with flat earth, just wouldn't see it pointing up like we do in the photos

No FE "perspective" on this?

No FE "perspective" on this?

Maybe they noticed their perspective is just flat out wrong.
*Badum Tsss*

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on April 24, 2017, 05:54:50 PM

No FE "perspective" on this?

Maybe they noticed their perspective is just flat out wrong.
*Badum Tsss*