6 questions I've never had answered by FE'ers

Ok, I have a few questions for flat earthers. I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work? The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards, which also accelerates the celestial bodies, and they all just magically go in circles above us, the sun and moon are light sources and not only that but directional light sources, so they must have a reflector of sorts? And I have no idea how any of this could naturally form.
On the other hand, round earth has well-defined physics that are intuitive, simple, and make total sense. Accreting, rotating clouds of dust form into planets and moons, and all this happens with only the forces of gravity and the electromagnetic force (collisions). Everything follows orbital mechanics as expected and observed. (Sorry, not really a question, but perhaps explain your system of physics a bit)

Sorry, this is a long list. I could continue but then you would probably skip some of them. I would love to see yall's answers to these! I will consider them and will be respectful of your opinions.
Also, side note, I wouldn't mind a bit if you ask me questions of your own. I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

FIRST...  wait this isn't youtube from 5 years ago, sorry. 

While you wait for coherent answers please enjoy the sound of
**crickets**

I must warn you that expecting these, or other questions, coherently answered by a F.E.B.S. believer can be dangerous to your mental health.  Please be careful.

I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

Why are you concerned about the shape of the Earth?

Quote from: kaboompow on April 13, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

Why are you concerned about the shape of the Earth?

That is just an expression meaning "relating to" or "about".

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 13, 2017, 06:20:19 PM

Quote from: kaboompow on April 13, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

Why are you concerned about the shape of the Earth?

That is just an expression meaning "relating to" or "about".

Non responsive.

1. What is your point
2. You are living inside of a dome.
3. You never have to come back down if you never went up
4. Balloons, Drones, CGI, Composites and Mixed Media
5. Underwater, Reduced 'gravity' aircraft,  CGI, Harnesses, Diamagnetism
6. NASA claims it rains diamonds on Saturn and Jupiter.  Very simple and intuitive. Makes complete sense.

6. NASA claims it rains diamonds on Saturn and Jupiter.  Very simple and intuitive. Makes complete sense.

Right ok so diamond is made by putting carbon under intense pressure, correct. Well scientists at NASA have identified atmospheres that are just right for such pressure and they think, not claim, think that Jupiter could be one of those.

No this isn't diamond clouds dropping perfectly cut diamonds, it's lumps of carbon atoms fusing together and pressurising eventually creating diamonds.

Ok, I have a few questions for flat earthers. I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work? The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards, which also accelerates the celestial bodies, and they all just magically go in circles above us, the sun and moon are light sources and not only that but directional light sources, so they must have a reflector of sorts? And I have no idea how any of this could naturally form.
On the other hand, round earth has well-defined physics that are intuitive, simple, and make total sense. Accreting, rotating clouds of dust form into planets and moons, and all this happens with only the forces of gravity and the electromagnetic force (collisions). Everything follows orbital mechanics as expected and observed. (Sorry, not really a question, but perhaps explain your system of physics a bit)

Sorry, this is a long list. I could continue but then you would probably skip some of them. I would love to see yall's answers to these! I will consider them and will be respectful of your opinions.
Also, side note, I wouldn't mind a bit if you ask me questions of your own. I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

You never had answered by flat FE'ers because you never asked these questions to a FE'r. But it possible you are defining  FE'r different then our defination.  Ask an average FE'r and proves you are wrong. I know the response of all of them more than necessary. But the style of the asking a question that matters is also important. Somebody Briefly answered. This is enough for you. Even more you may be surprised by the fact that someone who isin't a FE'r responds.  But that does not mean that you are not in a state of embarrassment.

1. What is your point
2. You are living inside of a dome.
3. You never have to come back down if you never went up
4. Balloons, Drones, CGI, Composites and Mixed Media
5. Underwater, Reduced 'gravity' aircraft,  CGI, Harnesses, Diamagnetism
6. NASA claims it rains diamonds on Saturn and Jupiter.  Very simple and intuitive. Makes complete sense.

1 - I thought that was clear, in the south, the distances are meant to be much greater and thus flight times should be much greater, yet they aren't. The flight times indicate Earth is round.
2 - Got any proof or evidence of that?
3 - They were observed going up by so many it isn't funny.
4 - Balloons and Drones can't make them. There is no indication of CGI, Composites or mixed media for loads of them.
5 - Underwater wont work to show a water droplet, or people breathing the air, it would act like a sub. Reduced gravity craft cannot stay in that condition for long enough to fake it, there is no indication of CGI, there are no harnesses which would produce noticeable effect, and diamagnetism needs to be tuned for each specific thing you are levitating or it wont work, and thus cannot be used to levitate multiple separate objects.
6 - That doesn't answer the question at all.

You never had answered by flat FE'ers because you never asked these questions to a FE'r. But it possible you are defining  FE'r different then our defination.  Ask an average FE'r and proves you are wrong. I know the response of all of them more than necessary. But the style of the asking a question that matters is also important. Somebody Briefly answered. This is enough for you. Even more you may be surprised by the fact that someone who isin't a FE'r responds.  But that does not mean that you are not in a state of embarrassment.

And how do you know who he has asked?
He has come here and asked everyone on this board. And what is your response? Just spouting a bunch of crap.
No one has embarrassed him.

Quote from: Silicon on April 14, 2017, 12:05:33 AM

1. What is your point
2. You are living inside of a dome.
3. You never have to come back down if you never went up
4. Balloons, Drones, CGI, Composites and Mixed Media
5. Underwater, Reduced 'gravity' aircraft,  CGI, Harnesses, Diamagnetism
6. NASA claims it rains diamonds on Saturn and Jupiter.  Very simple and intuitive. Makes complete sense.

1 - I thought that was clear, in the south, the distances are meant to be much greater and thus flight times should be much greater, yet they aren't. The flight times indicate Earth is round.
2 - Got any proof or evidence of that?
3 - They were observed going up by so many it isn't funny.
4 - Balloons and Drones can't make them. There is no indication of CGI, Composites or mixed media for loads of them.
5 - Underwater wont work to show a water droplet, or people breathing the air, it would act like a sub. Reduced gravity craft cannot stay in that condition for long enough to fake it, there is no indication of CGI, there are no harnesses which would produce noticeable effect, and diamagnetism needs to be tuned for each specific thing you are levitating or it wont work, and thus cannot be used to levitate multiple separate objects.
6 - That doesn't answer the question at all.

Yes, this is mainly what I would have said. And JackSchitt explained the diamonds. It's not really that complicated. And in #4, yes, I can see that imagery may have come from drones, but most certainly GPS does not, and satellite TV, and all the other wonderful services provided us by satellite technology.

The fact some flat earthers still refer to it as GPS really makes me laugh

The fact some flat earthers still refer to it as GPS really makes me laugh

You are easily entertained if that makes you laugh.  Do shiny objects also catch your attention?

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

There's no valid answer

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

UN has stationed thousands of ships to stop anyone from getting to the edge.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

In Orbit - the only valid answer from your list

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

Balloons, Drones, CGI, Composites and Mixed Media - Fragile balloons can reach that altitude but titanic rocket powered vehicles can't. They don't have any valid answers to evidence.

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

They're mermaids and can talk under water to simulate zero gravity. This is a joke but it's a better reply than what they come up with.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work?[/quote] It doesn't. Flat Earth physics cannot be replicated and is only valid for the flat Earth and dome.

Quote from: JackSchitt on April 14, 2017, 03:35:27 PM

The fact some flat earthers still refer to it as GPS really makes me laugh

You are easily entertained if that makes you laugh.  Do shiny objects also catch your attention?

It pains me to sort of agree with jroa, because GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System.

The generic GNSS, Global Navigation Satellite System, clarifies the satellite part.

Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2017, 07:23:05 PM

Quote from: JackSchitt on April 14, 2017, 03:35:27 PM

The fact some flat earthers still refer to it as GPS really makes me laugh

You are easily entertained if that makes you laugh.  Do shiny objects also catch your attention?

It pains me to sort of agree with jroa, because GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System.

The generic GNSS, Global Navigation Satellite System, clarifies the satellite part.

I think the key part is global.
You wouldn't use a positioning system which works by calculating your position on a globe if Earth was flat.

Quote from: rabinoz on April 14, 2017, 09:21:50 PM

Quote from: jroa on April 14, 2017, 07:23:05 PM

Quote from: JackSchitt on April 14, 2017, 03:35:27 PM

The fact some flat earthers still refer to it as GPS really makes me laugh

You are easily entertained if that makes you laugh.  Do shiny objects also catch your attention?

It pains me to sort of agree with jroa, because GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System.

The generic GNSS, Global Navigation Satellite System, clarifies the satellite part.

I think the key part is global.
You wouldn't use a positioning system which works by calculating your position on a globe if Earth was flat.

Yes, I forgot about the Globa bit, as you do! And the Global Navigation Satellite System just rubs it in.

Yeah it was the global bit that makes me laugh, and even more so when they use Google maps to try and prove flat earth, like no get your own resources, to you this doesn't exist

Ok, I have a few questions for flat earthers. I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work? The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards, which also accelerates the celestial bodies, and they all just magically go in circles above us, the sun and moon are light sources and not only that but directional light sources, so they must have a reflector of sorts? And I have no idea how any of this could naturally form.
On the other hand, round earth has well-defined physics that are intuitive, simple, and make total sense. Accreting, rotating clouds of dust form into planets and moons, and all this happens with only the forces of gravity and the electromagnetic force (collisions). Everything follows orbital mechanics as expected and observed. (Sorry, not really a question, but perhaps explain your system of physics a bit)

Sorry, this is a long list. I could continue but then you would probably skip some of them. I would love to see yall's answers to these! I will consider them and will be respectful of your opinions.
Also, side note, I wouldn't mind a bit if you ask me questions of your own. I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

"2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall?"

What wall?

"3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?"

In a Hollywood motel.

"4. Where does satellite imagery come from,"

Balloons and aircraft.

"5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated..."

Zero-G aircraft, look it up.

"The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards,..."

Fake story to make the reality, motionless plane earth, look ridicules.

As far as #1, I can give many examples of weird flight times impossible for a spherical land mass. There could be many reasons for long flights.

Now I have a question for you, if earth is experiencing this:



Why does water, at the place those forces are said to be the strongest, do this:



Notice, there is no bulging of the water surface of that large lake right on the equator, and the water is falling to a lower place on earth. I say BUNK to the centrifugal force claim. Evidence from mother earth does not support that hypothesis. If you can find it, show it!

"2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall?"

What wall?

You got that right.

"3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?"

In a Hollywood motel.

Nope, they stayed in space and on the moon. All the evidence supports that. There is no evidence that supports any other claim.

"4. Where does satellite imagery come from,"

Balloons and aircraft.

Balloons and aircraft don't go high enough to capture the entire Earth.

"5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated..."

Zero-G aircraft, look it up.

Zero-G is simulated in those flights for very very short periods. Look it up.

Now I have a question for you, if earth is experiencing this:



Why does water, at the place those forces are said to be the strongest, do this:



Notice, there is no bulging of the water surface of that large lake right on the equator, and the water is falling to a lower place on earth. I say BUNK to the centrifugal force claim. Evidence from mother earth does not support that hypothesis. If you can find it, show it!

I have a question for you: why, despite repeated explanations as to why you wouldn't see evidence of curvature in his way, do you keep puking up this ridiculous claim of yours?

You want evidence of water curving to match that of the Earth, go higher:

"2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall?"

What wall?

Fine, the edge?

"3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?"

In a Hollywood motel.

We know they went up, we know they came down.
So unless there are these motels in space...

"4. Where does satellite imagery come from,"

Balloons and aircraft.

Which aren't capable of taking all the satellite imagery.

"5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated..."

Zero-G aircraft, look it up.

Doesn't produce the required times.

"The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards,..."

Fake story to make the reality, motionless plane earth, look ridicules.

No. Flat Earth looks ridiculous all by itself. It doesn't need anyone making up shit about it.

As far as #1, I can give many examples of weird flight times impossible for a spherical land mass. There could be many reasons for long flights.

You say you could, yet you didn't. You also didn't address the actual issue.

Now I have a question for you, if earth is experiencing this:

It isn't. It is spinning much slower.

Why does water, at the place those forces are said to be the strongest, do this:

Because the acceleration due to gravity is ~9.8 m/s^2 while the apparent acceleration due to the apparent centrifugal force is ~0.03 m/s^2.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out which one wins.

Notice, there is no bulging of the water surface of that large lake right on the equator, and the water is falling to a lower place on earth.

No noticeable bulge. To see the bulge from spinning you need to see a very large section of Earth, like in the photos I provided.
No, it is only locally following to a lower place, down the falls.
If it all fell to a lower place, there would be no water at the equator, it would all be at the poles, some 20+km below the equator.

I say BUNK to the centrifugal force claim. Evidence from mother earth does not support that hypothesis. If you can find it, show it!

We have shown it. You just ignore it.
Also, the claim isn't centrifugal force. The claim is rotation, of which the apparent centrifugal force is one manifestation.
You even provided other evidence for the rotation in the form of tropical storms.

What you can't do is find any evidence which refutes this claim.
No one has every provided any evidence which indicates Earth isn't rotating.

NOBODY ANSWERED THE FIRST QUESTION!! THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!

NOBODY ANSWERED THE FIRST QUESTION!! THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!

I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

Can we say kaboompow?

The pilot purposely slows down the plane to keep the lie alive for all you moronic RE'ers.

The pilot purposely slows down the plane to keep the lie alive for all you moronic RE'ers.

You mean all other flights are slowed down and planes fly ridiculously faster than we are told.  since the premise is that those flights take much less time than they should for almost all flat Earth "maps".

Quote from: kaboompow on April 13, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

Ok, I have a few questions for flat earthers. I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work? The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards, which also accelerates the celestial bodies, and they all just magically go in circles above us, the sun and moon are light sources and not only that but directional light sources, so they must have a reflector of sorts? And I have no idea how any of this could naturally form.
On the other hand, round earth has well-defined physics that are intuitive, simple, and make total sense. Accreting, rotating clouds of dust form into planets and moons, and all this happens with only the forces of gravity and the electromagnetic force (collisions). Everything follows orbital mechanics as expected and observed. (Sorry, not really a question, but perhaps explain your system of physics a bit)

Sorry, this is a long list. I could continue but then you would probably skip some of them. I would love to see yall's answers to these! I will consider them and will be respectful of your opinions.
Also, side note, I wouldn't mind a bit if you ask me questions of your own. I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

"2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall?"

What wall?

"3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?"

In a Hollywood motel.

"4. Where does satellite imagery come from,"

Balloons and aircraft.

"5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated..."

Zero-G aircraft, look it up.

"The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards,..."

Fake story to make the reality, motionless plane earth, look ridicules.

As far as #1, I can give many examples of weird flight times impossible for a spherical land mass. There could be many reasons for long flights.

Now I have a question for you, if earth is experiencing this:



Why does water, at the place those forces are said to be the strongest, do this:



Notice, there is no bulging of the water surface of that large lake right on the equator, and the water is falling to a lower place on earth. I say BUNK to the centrifugal force claim. Evidence from mother earth does not support that hypothesis. If you can find it, show it!

Quote from: kaboompow on April 13, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

Ok, I have a few questions for flat earthers. I have never had these coherently answered before.

1. A flight from Sydney, Australia to Islas Malvinas Airport in southern Argentina takes approximately 12 hours. A flight from US to Japan takes 13 hours, to New Delhi, India is 14 hours, and I could come up with many more examples of flights longer than 12 hours. Australia to South Argentina should be the longest flight possible. Please explain.

2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall? And while we're at it, Why in the world has no one even attempted to go over it with a balloon or drone with a camera? This would be EASY proof, and not terribly expensive.

3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?

4. Where does satellite imagery come from, or any of the other many, many services provided to us by satellites?

5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated without actually being in orbit? Some say it's underwater, and this makes no sense.

6. How in tarnation do your physics work? The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards, which also accelerates the celestial bodies, and they all just magically go in circles above us, the sun and moon are light sources and not only that but directional light sources, so they must have a reflector of sorts? And I have no idea how any of this could naturally form.
On the other hand, round earth has well-defined physics that are intuitive, simple, and make total sense. Accreting, rotating clouds of dust form into planets and moons, and all this happens with only the forces of gravity and the electromagnetic force (collisions). Everything follows orbital mechanics as expected and observed. (Sorry, not really a question, but perhaps explain your system of physics a bit)

Sorry, this is a long list. I could continue but then you would probably skip some of them. I would love to see yall's answers to these! I will consider them and will be respectful of your opinions.
Also, side note, I wouldn't mind a bit if you ask me questions of your own. I've never been asked a question concerning round earth that I couldn't answer, and I would like to meet my match.

"2. What keeps the atmosphere from spilling over the wall?"

What wall?

"3. When the Apollo astronauts went up, where did they stay for a few days before coming back down?"

In a Hollywood motel.

"4. Where does satellite imagery come from,"

Balloons and aircraft.

"5. How is weightlessness on the ISS simulated..."

Zero-G aircraft, look it up.

"The earth has an infinite energy source accelerating it upwards,..."

Fake story to make the reality, motionless plane earth, look ridicules.

As far as #1, I can give many examples of weird flight times impossible for a spherical land mass. There could be many reasons for long flights.

Now I have a question for you, if earth is experiencing this:



Why does water, at the place those forces are said to be the strongest, do this:



Notice, there is no bulging of the water surface of that large lake right on the equator, and the water is falling to a lower place on earth. I say BUNK to the centrifugal force claim. Evidence from mother earth does not support that hypothesis. If you can find it, show it!

The earth spins at 1000 MPH.  The average passenger airplane cruises at approximately 575 MPH. If the plane "leaves the earth" heading in the same direction as the earths rotation path, wouldn't the plane be going backwards?

The earth spins at 1000 MPH.  The average passenger airplane cruises at approximately 575 MPH. If the plane "leaves the earth" heading in the same direction as the earths rotation path, wouldn't the plane be going backwards?

The plane does not "leave the earth" The air around it also moves with 1000MPH.

with your logic a helium balloon inside a train, which also leaves the earth should fly to the back of the train fast, since ther is nothing to propell it forward...yet, this is not what you experience.

The earth spins at 1000 MPH.  The average passenger airplane cruises at approximately 575 MPH. If the plane "leaves the earth" heading in the same direction as the earths rotation path, wouldn't the plane be going backwards?

The average passenger airplane flies in air, at a cruising speed which is measured relative to the air. As such, it's ground speed varies. With good tailwinds it can go quite fast. With bad headwinds it can go quite slow (which can be beneficial for landing and take off). But the air, for the most part, travels with Earth and thus the plane will fly at a speed relative to Earth and thus continue moving with Earth.

A simple experiment to compare would be flying a paper plane (or quadcopter if you are more game) in a moving vehicle (without the air moving relative to the vehicle). Does it magically fall behind? No.