Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #390 on: April 23, 2017, 01:10:30 PM »
This is what irritates me, oh so they were German or working for the Germans in the 30s and 40s they must be Nazis. Erwin Rommel, one of the Whermacht's best commanders, yet he was not a Nazi, he was a Nazi officer. But he disagreed with the Nazi ideology but he still did his bloody job.

Just because you have to work for someone doesn't mean that you are politically aligned with them.

Oh and why the Americans used them. It would be completely stupid to take loads of research and dump it in the bin only to research it yourself spending time and money just because you didn't like the peoples past
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #391 on: April 23, 2017, 01:55:48 PM »
I have seen the interview many many times because it is trotted out with tedious regularity by people who know nothing about the subject. When he says "the space between the Earth and the moon" he is explaining what he means by cislunar space. He is specifically asked about the view from the moon. He specifically refers to not seeing planets "from the surface". He does not say he could not see stars or planets from cislunar space. You might also want to think about the implications of his statement about "The glare from the sun on the helmet visor" in terms of being able to see stars in bright sunlight (including from cislunar space when they are in the sun's direct light).
Then maybe you have watched the interview without an open mind. I don't care what anyone says or explains about the interview because it is simply as straight forward as can be for the neutral observer.

Armstrong : The sky is deep black when viewed from the moon, AS IT is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon....the earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen, althaugh etc.

''AS IT IS'' cannot be explained in any other way.
Neil clearly states that on the moon surface the sky is deep black, AS IT IS when viewed from cislunar space....with only the earth and sun to see....and maybe some planets.
It boggles me why i can hear him say that while English is only my third language and you deliberately ignore this very important part.
I don't care about later explanations, or who or what took his words out of context. It is simply Neil stating the obvious, if you don't want to hear that, i cannot convince you either.
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It entirely proves nothing. The Collins quote to which you are referring is specifically in response (again to a question from Patrick Moore) about seeing stars in the Solar Corona in lunar orbit. Collins has also said this in his autobiography:
Of course any Apollo autobiography is carefully crafted to avoid glaring mistakes as shown in real inerviews. Collins tried to repair an upcoming mistake from Armstrong, while doing so he himself made a mistake.
And your ''aftermath'' shows exactly how easy mindcontrol is. Collins wasn't on the moon surface, not photographing anything, but he answers as if he was at the scene.....a repair job that was done out of fear that Armstrong would draw the wrong conclusions.
It doesn't matter what the astronauts testify, it will always receives the proper ''upgrade'' as you just shown in your reply.
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There is no inconsistency. Go out on a moonlit night and see how many stars you can see in the vicinity of the moon. You will see none. Neil makes no reference in that interview with Patrick Moore about being unable to see stars in cislunar space, only from the lunar surface. This is entirely correct. You would no more expect to see a sky full of stars on the lunar surface in daylight than you would on Earth.
Hearsay don't you see ? I don't care less what you say about EARTH's night sky, because i can check for myself with simple tests.
In the vacuum of space and the lunar surface we have an unknown environment and therefor any resemblence with the night sky on earth ends there.
Good for you that you trust those few men with contradicting statements,.....i don't.
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The lack of stars visible around a bright moon has nothing to do with the Earth's atmosphere and everything to do with the bright moon blocking out much dimmer, smaller objects. If it was to do with the atmosphere then why can we see stars at all?
So you have been to space yourself ?
I don't know, i only observe the night sky in earth's atmosphere and have to rely on goofy images from NASA to have an idea about ''up there''.

Point is you can not use two extremely different realms (earth vs space) to proof a ''thing or two'', because the latter is only hearsay for you and me.

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It entirely depends on where they were. Astronaut's describe stars being at their most vivid from behind the moon when no sun is visible. Did you bother to look at the quotes on the page I linked to?
Aftermath !!!!....NASA did update their views, comments and pictures during the last decades. Those things that could form a real threat (original blueprints and original tapes) were errased from history.
Therefor it is the most important thing to view what is left with an open mind and it smells con job all over the place.
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Nazis were bad people. This does not mean no-one went to the moon.
It means the rulers of our world and their scientific propaganda machine will tell you whatever they think suits their agenda.
In Germany it was focussed on scientifically and morally justifying exterminating the Jews based on ''facts'' about their wickedness and trivial place in arian society
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See the link I supplied earlier and the photo above.
I do not consider photo's from space as proof or the absense of proof whatsoever. Footage from earth is hard enough to research.
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Buzz Aldrin made no-one believe any such thing. The crew identified something in the distance that was part of the Saturn V rocket. It did not follow them all the way there or back.
In his 2005 interview Aldrin said, “There was something out there that, uh, was close enough to be observed and what could it be?… Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope, and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp, it was sort of L shaped. That didn’t tell us very much.”

Later in time he said this.....
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Buzz Aldrin: I saw this illumination, that was moving with respect to the stars, we were smart enough to not say.....Houston there's a light out there that's following us.
So techniclly it becomes an unidentified flying object......

It this was his latest rendering in fooling the audience.....
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And here Buzz says about that event......
We saw one of the four panels  99.999 % (sure?)
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Ed Mitchell did indeed speak very often about UFOs and aliens. He never once claimed he had seen a UFO or met an alien.
No, but ''Roswell'' was one of his favourite subjects and stated it was a cover up to prevent the public about knowing aliens have visited us....so the ''oldtimers'' said, who were hushed up Ed claimed, but were around at Roswell at that specific event.....
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Alien agenda is played down soon......
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Convicted violent thug Bart Sibrel dishonestly edited an interview piece about Bean's time on Skylab to make it appear he was discussing Apollo.
Wow that is an extremely poor excuse......
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The equipment was thoroughly and repeatedly tested. There are no errors to find, just people not understanding what they are looking at.
So they went into their near vacuum chambers for hours and hours to test their goofy spacesuits ?
The contrary is fact, but i can post another video if you like from an astronaut who describes a few minutes in a vacuum chamber.......
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Nothing will expose it because it's true. Absolutely every single piece of evidence is entirely consistent with documented history. Every. Single. Piece. Have another picture. This one is from Apollo 17 taken in lunar orbit. The brightest object is Jupiter.

Nice, but again what do you want to proof with a picture from a supposed place you can never ever check and only 0.00.....1 percentage of humanity has a say in this  ?
I can test whatever i like, but when it comes to space i am entirely dependent on proven frauds and tax money crooks.
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Lonegranger

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #392 on: April 23, 2017, 02:18:05 PM »
I have seen the interview many many times because it is trotted out with tedious regularity by people who know nothing about the subject. When he says "the space between the Earth and the moon" he is explaining what he means by cislunar space. He is specifically asked about the view from the moon. He specifically refers to not seeing planets "from the surface". He does not say he could not see stars or planets from cislunar space. You might also want to think about the implications of his statement about "The glare from the sun on the helmet visor" in terms of being able to see stars in bright sunlight (including from cislunar space when they are in the sun's direct light).
Then maybe you have watched the interview without an open mind. I don't care what anyone says or explains about the interview because it is simply as straight forward as can be for the neutral observer.

Armstrong : The sky is deep black when viewed from the moon, AS IT is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon....the earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen, althaugh etc.

''AS IT IS'' cannot be explained in any other way.
Neil clearly states that on the moon surface the sky is deep black, AS IT IS when viewed from cislunar space....with only the earth and sun to see....and maybe some planets.
It boggles me why i can hear him say that while English is only my third language and you deliberately ignore this very important part.
I don't care about later explanations, or who or what took his words out of context. It is simply Neil stating the obvious, if you don't want to hear that, i cannot convince you either.
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It entirely proves nothing. The Collins quote to which you are referring is specifically in response (again to a question from Patrick Moore) about seeing stars in the Solar Corona in lunar orbit. Collins has also said this in his autobiography:
Of course any Apollo autobiography is carefully crafted to avoid glaring mistakes as shown in real inerviews. Collins tried to repair an upcoming mistake from Armstrong, while doing so he himself made a mistake.
And your ''aftermath'' shows exactly how easy mindcontrol is. Collins wasn't on the moon surface, not photographing anything, but he answers as if he was at the scene.....a repair job that was done out of fear that Armstrong would draw the wrong conclusions.
It doesn't matter what the astronauts testify, it will always receives the proper ''upgrade'' as you just shown in your reply.
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There is no inconsistency. Go out on a moonlit night and see how many stars you can see in the vicinity of the moon. You will see none. Neil makes no reference in that interview with Patrick Moore about being unable to see stars in cislunar space, only from the lunar surface. This is entirely correct. You would no more expect to see a sky full of stars on the lunar surface in daylight than you would on Earth.
Hearsay don't you see ? I don't care less what you say about EARTH's night sky, because i can check for myself with simple tests.
In the vacuum of space and the lunar surface we have an unknown environment and therefor any resemblence with the night sky on earth ends there.
Good for you that you trust those few men with contradicting statements,.....i don't.
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The lack of stars visible around a bright moon has nothing to do with the Earth's atmosphere and everything to do with the bright moon blocking out much dimmer, smaller objects. If it was to do with the atmosphere then why can we see stars at all?
So you have been to space yourself ?
I don't know, i only observe the night sky in earth's atmosphere and have to rely on goofy images from NASA to have an idea about ''up there''.

Point is you can not use two extremely different realms (earth vs space) to proof a ''thing or two'', because the latter is only hearsay for you and me.

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It entirely depends on where they were. Astronaut's describe stars being at their most vivid from behind the moon when no sun is visible. Did you bother to look at the quotes on the page I linked to?
Aftermath !!!!....NASA did update their views, comments and pictures during the last decades. Those things that could form a real threat (original blueprints and original tapes) were errased from history.
Therefor it is the most important thing to view what is left with an open mind and it smells con job all over the place.
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Nazis were bad people. This does not mean no-one went to the moon.
It means the rulers of our world and their scientific propaganda machine will tell you whatever they think suits their agenda.
In Germany it was focussed on scientifically and morally justifying exterminating the Jews based on ''facts'' about their wickedness and trivial place in arian society
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See the link I supplied earlier and the photo above.
I do not consider photo's from space as proof or the absense of proof whatsoever. Footage from earth is hard enough to research.
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Buzz Aldrin made no-one believe any such thing. The crew identified something in the distance that was part of the Saturn V rocket. It did not follow them all the way there or back.
In his 2005 interview Aldrin said, “There was something out there that, uh, was close enough to be observed and what could it be?… Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope, and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp, it was sort of L shaped. That didn’t tell us very much.”

Later in time he said this.....
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
Buzz Aldrin: I saw this illumination, that was moving with respect to the stars, we were smart enough to not say.....Houston there's a light out there that's following us.
So techniclly it becomes an unidentified flying object......

It this was his latest rendering in fooling the audience.....
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
And here Buzz says about that event......
We saw one of the four panels  99.999 % (sure?)
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Ed Mitchell did indeed speak very often about UFOs and aliens. He never once claimed he had seen a UFO or met an alien.
No, but ''Roswell'' was one of his favourite subjects and stated it was a cover up to prevent the public about knowing aliens have visited us....so the ''oldtimers'' said, who were hushed up Ed claimed, but were around at Roswell at that specific event.....
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
Alien agenda is played down soon......
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Convicted violent thug Bart Sibrel dishonestly edited an interview piece about Bean's time on Skylab to make it appear he was discussing Apollo.
Wow that is an extremely poor excuse......
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The equipment was thoroughly and repeatedly tested. There are no errors to find, just people not understanding what they are looking at.
So they went into their near vacuum chambers for hours and hours to test their goofy spacesuits ?
The contrary is fact, but i can post another video if you like from an astronaut who describes a few minutes in a vacuum chamber.......
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Nothing will expose it because it's true. Absolutely every single piece of evidence is entirely consistent with documented history. Every. Single. Piece. Have another picture. This one is from Apollo 17 taken in lunar orbit. The brightest object is Jupiter.

Nice, but again what do you want to proof with a picture from a supposed place you can never ever check and only 0.00.....1 percentage of humanity has a say in this  ?
I can test whatever i like, but when it comes to space i am entirely dependent on proven frauds and tax money crooks.


Well done. The 'how to come over as mad lessons' you had from Sandokhan have really worked. You've completely convinced me of your madness. Well done.

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dutchy

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #393 on: April 23, 2017, 02:28:58 PM »
Well done. The 'how to come over as mad lessons' you had from Sandokhan have really worked. You've completely convinced me of your madness. Well done.
You're wellcome sir !

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Lonegranger

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #394 on: April 23, 2017, 02:43:35 PM »
Well done. The 'how to come over as mad lessons' you had from Sandokhan have really worked. You've completely convinced me of your madness. Well done.
You're wellcome sir !

You may be as mad as as carrot, but your manners are impeccable.

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dutchy

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #395 on: April 23, 2017, 02:51:04 PM »

You may be as mad as as carrot, but your manners are impeccable.
Only in this topic.....see for yourself  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Lonegranger

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #396 on: April 23, 2017, 03:02:03 PM »

You may be as mad as as carrot, but your manners are impeccable.
Only in this topic.....see for yourself  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Are you implying your madness is topic specific rather than global?

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dutchy

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #397 on: April 23, 2017, 03:13:35 PM »
Are you implying your madness is topic specific rather than global?
Yes, i try not to overdue it with my humor in every topic, but sometimes i simply cannot resist.

Thanks to flat earth, humor is back and when i see the from obesity suffering Neil dGT talk about ''taking science seriously'' it is beyond words...... the irony :o ;D


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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #398 on: April 23, 2017, 03:16:52 PM »
Are you implying your madness is topic specific rather than global?
Yes, i try not to overdue it with my humor in every topic, but sometimes i simply cannot resist.

Thanks to flat earth, humor is back and when i see the from obesity suffering Neil dGT talk about ''taking science seriously'' it is beyond words...... the irony :o ;D

Try and look beyond this one man you appear to be fixated with....did he reject you for another? Is that why you are upset with him?

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #399 on: April 23, 2017, 03:27:10 PM »
I'll propose this view on the subject

So what if Nazis started NASA? Once upon a time the Democrats were in full support of slavery. The Republican party was formed to oppose it and eventually defeated it. Do you think the Democratic voters today support slavery or the party does? Things, ideals and values evolve and change.

If Nazis started and founded NASA which I think is pretty dubious anyway, who cares now right? It's not the Nazis from the 30's and 40s in charge. Its not Hitler running the show. Those values and ideals are long dead. Are people who gain employment for NASA or any work or project related to NASA across the world, Nazi's too? Is there some initiation ritual where new employees swear an oath of allegiance to Hitler or some other Fuehrer?

If Nazis back in the day had scientists working on a weapon of mass destruction etc, I can see the allure of the United States wanting to 'steal' or poach them for themselves. Its a 2 fold victory. On 1 hand you gain an egghead who will work for you, and on the other, your enemy loses one of theirs.

The first country the Nazi's invaded was there own. Not everyone working for the Nazis, may have subscribed to their ideology.

But in any regard, to say that NASA is some kind of 'Nazi of old' spawn is just stupid.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #400 on: April 23, 2017, 03:33:17 PM »
Are you implying your madness is topic specific rather than global?
Yes, i try not to overdue it with my humor in every topic, but sometimes i simply cannot resist.

Thanks to flat earth, humor is back and when i see the from obesity suffering Neil dGT talk about ''taking science seriously'' it is beyond words...... the irony :o ;D

Try and look beyond this one man you appear to be fixated with....did he reject you for another? Is that why you are upset with him?
I am not into partner sex lately, so sexual appeal or rejection is something i have to dig up.....(or is it dick up ?)...no that can't be the reason, sorry....

I think it is because he adresses an audience who will believe just about anything at all......
It is more than preaching for his own parish, it is mind controling those who couldn't care less what is being told....the moment Neil proclaims the aliens are coming he will recieve applause. He can say anything about the cosmos he likes, that is how it works sadly.......

The reason you are here is telling, you obviously play the superiourity card over the heads of flatearth believers at any given oppertunity.........
The question is why ?
It is a common psychological phenomena ,both the use of difficult jargon and redicule, to hide insecurity or a deeper agenda.
I am here to observe the free fall of the current cosmological science, because it is inevitable....
I am simply collecting data for my own agenda, which i am not going to tell you......sorry

But that doesn't mean i don't like you,.....you seem like a rather pleasant person.
What's in store for me this time around ?  8)

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #401 on: April 23, 2017, 11:11:24 PM »

Then maybe you have watched the interview without an open mind. I don't care what anyone says or explains about the interview because it is simply as straight forward as can be for the neutral observer.

Key phrase emboldened.

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Armstrong : The sky is deep black when viewed from the moon, AS IT is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon....the earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen, althaugh etc.

''AS IT IS'' cannot be explained in any other way.
Neil clearly states that on the moon surface the sky is deep black, AS IT IS when viewed from cislunar space....with only the earth and sun to see....and maybe some planets.
It boggles me why i can hear him say that while English is only my third language and you deliberately ignore this very important part.
I don't care about later explanations, or who or what took his words out of context. It is simply Neil stating the obvious, if you don't want to hear that, i cannot convince you either.

English may be you third language, but your spelling and grammar has dramatically improved since your last post. Did you forget how to do it badly? Key phrase emboldened again. Armstrong was asked about the view from the lunar surface. His answer refers to the lunar surface and refers to cislunar space in passing. His comments while actually in cislunar space specifically describe seeing stars.

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Of course any Apollo autobiography is carefully crafted to avoid glaring mistakes as shown in real inerviews. Collins tried to repair an upcoming mistake from Armstrong, while doing so he himself made a mistake.
And your ''aftermath'' shows exactly how easy mindcontrol is. Collins wasn't on the moon surface, not photographing anything, but he answers as if he was at the scene.....a repair job that was done out of fear that Armstrong would draw the wrong conclusions.
It doesn't matter what the astronauts testify, it will always receives the proper ''upgrade'' as you just shown in your reply.

There is no mistake, and the only inconsistency here is yours in happily accepting one post-mission recorded interview as gospel but no accepting post-mission written material. One suits your agenda, the other does not. Collins answered a question specifically about what they could see in lunar orbit, not from the surface, about a specific thing: stars in the solar corona.

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Hearsay don't you see ? I don't care less what you say about EARTH's night sky, because i can check for myself with simple tests.
In the vacuum of space and the lunar surface we have an unknown environment and therefor any resemblence with the night sky on earth ends there.
Good for you that you trust those few men with contradicting statements,.....i don't.

Yet some hearsay you will accept and some you won't. You can indeed go and check Earth's sky and count how many stars appear in the vicinity of the moon. I suggest you do that. It isn't that I trust their statements, it's that their statements are true and are borne out by other things like the images taken by unmanned probes. The lunar and cislunar environment are not unknown, they had already been explored many times before Apollo 8 got there.

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So you have been to space yourself ?
I don't know, i only observe the night sky in earth's atmosphere and have to rely on goofy images from NASA to have an idea about ''up there''.

Point is you can not use two extremely different realms (earth vs space) to proof a ''thing or two'', because the latter is only hearsay for you and me.

Have you been to space? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you haven't, so why should I accept your word on what's there - you have no idea? The people who have been do, and as I've met a few and heard what they have to say about it I'm more prepared to accept their evidence than I am your unsupported conjecture. Their statements and the evidence they provide are entirely consistent with what they should be. The two photos I used in my previous post show planets as well as stars, and the positions of those planets are an exact match for the times the photographs were taken. That's not hearsay, that's verifiable fact.

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Aftermath !!!!....NASA did update their views, comments and pictures during the last decades. Those things that could form a real threat (original blueprints and original tapes) were errased from history.
Therefor it is the most important thing to view what is left with an open mind and it smells con job all over the place.

Your opinion that it was a con job is a subjective interpretation not borne out by the facts. NASA has not updated views comments and pictures over the decades, I know because I have made it my business to get hold of original images and reports and not rely on the internet. Original blueprints still exist and the only tapes concerned are the ones from Apollo 11, which were probably (no-one actually knows) re-used long after the data on them outlived their usefulness.

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It means the rulers of our world and their scientific propaganda machine will tell you whatever they think suits their agenda.
In Germany it was focussed on scientifically and morally justifying exterminating the Jews based on ''facts'' about their wickedness and trivial place in arian society

Indeed they will, just like you are only picking out things that suit your agenda. Still doesn''t mean that we didn't go to the moon.

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I do not consider photo's from space as proof or the absense of proof whatsoever. Footage from earth is hard enough to research.

You don't get to decide what counts as proof I'm afraid, and you can't just ignore evidence because it proves you wrong. The photos taken in space contain a wealth of information that confirm that they were taken where and when they claimed they were taken thanks to the unique position of the planets and stars, or the unique time and date specific meteorological fingerprint of Earth, the position of the Earth's terminator, the location of the subsolar point in Earth images, the small rocks and craters on the lunar surface.


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In his 2005 interview Aldrin said, “There was something out there that, uh, was close enough to be observed and what could it be?… Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope, and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp, it was sort of L shaped. That didn’t tell us very much.”

Later in time he said this.....

Buzz Aldrin: I saw this illumination, that was moving with respect to the stars, we were smart enough to not say.....Houston there's a light out there that's following us.
So techniclly it becomes an unidentified flying object......

It this was his latest rendering in fooling the audience.....

And here Buzz says about that event......
We saw one of the four panels  99.999 % (sure?)

And where does he say it followed them to the moon and back?

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No, but ''Roswell'' was one of his favourite subjects and stated it was a cover up to prevent the public about knowing aliens have visited us....so the ''oldtimers'' said, who were hushed up Ed claimed, but were around at Roswell at that specific event.....

Alien agenda is played down soon......

Of course it was his favourite subject, he believed passionately in the subject. He never once claimed to have seen any evidence himself of aliens. Again, you seem happy to accept an astronaut's word on this - someone who belongs to the class of "Lying scumbags" and who says he went to the moon. Why are you happy to accept his word but not that of other astronauts?

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Convicted violent thug Bart Sibrel dishonestly edited an interview piece about Bean's time on Skylab to make it appear he was discussing Apollo.
Wow that is an extremely poor excuse......

It's not an excuse, it's true. Convicted thug Sibrel is famous for using underhand tactics to make a shitload of money from his 'documentaries' and has been exposed many times for not being honest in his editing and his claims of fact.

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So they went into their near vacuum chambers for hours and hours to test their goofy spacesuits ?
The contrary is fact, but i can post another video if you like from an astronaut who describes a few minutes in a vacuum chamber.....

The one where his suit failed and they had to get in there and rescue him? Seen it. It was public knowledge. So what? You're going to use evidence of suit testing to prove they didn't test the suits? Every component of the mission was tested on the ground and in space before it was used to get to the moon. It's all documented.

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Nice, but again what do you want to proof with a picture from a supposed place you can never ever check and only 0.00.....1 percentage of humanity has a say in this  ?
I can test whatever i like, but when it comes to space i am entirely dependent on proven frauds and tax money crooks.

And you are entirely relying on your prejudiced and blinkered view. You haven'y been to space, but you can check for yourself whether the image contains things that are correct. The position of Jupiter in that image is exactly correct. I know this because I checked for myself. What have you done to prove it isn't?
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #402 on: April 24, 2017, 04:11:51 PM »

And you are entirely relying on your prejudiced and blinkered view. You haven'y been to space, but you can check for yourself whether the image contains things that are correct.

Oh yeah? I havnt been to space because I cannot go! How am I supposed to check for myself wothout relying on the words of others if a photo of "space" is correct or real?

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #403 on: April 24, 2017, 05:10:02 PM »
How am I supposed to check for myself wothout relying on the words of others if a photo of "space" is correct or real?

You could look around and see. One way would be to check if real-time "satellite photos of earth from space" match the current weather you're seeing for yourself. Or watch the satellite loops of weather in your area and see if they anticipate what happens in a few hours with surprising accuracy. That would be a start.

This does require you to go outside and look, though. Would that be a problem?
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #404 on: April 24, 2017, 09:34:48 PM »

And you are entirely relying on your prejudiced and blinkered view. You haven'y been to space, but you can check for yourself whether the image contains things that are correct.

Oh yeah? I havnt been to space because I cannot go! How am I supposed to check for myself wothout relying on the words of others if a photo of "space" is correct or real?

As said above, by looking at other sources to see if you are seeing what you should be seeing. There are other things out there besides youtube.
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #405 on: April 26, 2017, 11:34:30 AM »
Yeah, what a common response for someone who wants to warp your mind...

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #406 on: April 26, 2017, 12:55:29 PM »
Yeah, what a common response for someone who wants to warp your mind...

"Usr every source available EXCEPT your eyes..." - onebigmonkey
Right, because there is no possible way to fool your eyes. ::)
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #407 on: April 26, 2017, 03:04:22 PM »
Yeah, what a common response for someone who wants to warp your mind...

"Usr every source available EXCEPT your eyes..." - onebigmonkey
Right, because there is no possible way to fool your eyes. ::)

Its pretty easy, NASA has been doing it for years now.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #408 on: April 27, 2017, 07:02:16 AM »
Operation Paperclip even DEFIED the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

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"Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism. Said restriction would have rendered ineligible most of the scientists..."


https://www.sott.net/article/257398-The-NAZI-origins-of-NASA

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #409 on: April 27, 2017, 07:08:05 AM »
Operation Paperclip even DEFIED the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

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"Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism. Said restriction would have rendered ineligible most of the scientists..."


https://www.sott.net/article/257398-The-NAZI-origins-of-NASA
What makes you think that the German rocket scientists were "more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism"?  Yes, they designed and built weapons of war, but what evidence do you have that they actually used them against anyone?
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #410 on: April 28, 2017, 04:58:21 PM »
If they didnt want people to die, they should not have built giant explosive rockets for Hitler. So they did kill people.

But then they circumvented President Truman, BYPASSED DEMOCRACY, and created NASA and invented this whole space hoax, through these killer Nazis.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #411 on: April 28, 2017, 05:14:20 PM »
Invented the space hoax you say.....

Where is your evidence space is a hoax? You make outlandish claims and dont even have the intestinal fortitude to back even yourself up. Why should we believe you over thousands of years of steady scientific discoveries?

This is your chance to shine here.... blow us all away with your wisdom and knowledge.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #412 on: April 28, 2017, 05:43:44 PM »
If they didnt want people to die, they should not have built giant explosive rockets for Hitler. So they did kill people.
The German rocket scientists were no more guilty of killing people than any of the countless other military weapons manufacturers on both sides of the war.

But then they circumvented President Truman, BYPASSED DEMOCRACY, and created NASA and invented this whole space hoax, through these killer Nazis.
Again, it was Eisenhower who created NASA.  And you still haven't show that any of the alleged "killer Nazis" were "more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism". 

By the way, how exactly did the Joint Chiefs of Staff bypass democracy when they report directly to the Commander in Chief (A.K.A., president Truman) who approved the plan?
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #413 on: April 28, 2017, 06:05:33 PM »
Key phrase emboldened.
And ? What does Neil say about Cislunar space and visibilty ? Your comments please and refrain from explainations, but let me hear what you think he said !
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English may be you third language, but your spelling and grammar has dramatically improved since your last post. Did you forget how to do it badly? Key phrase emboldened again. Armstrong was asked about the view from the lunar surface. His answer refers to the lunar surface and refers to cislunar space in passing. His comments while actually in cislunar space specifically describe seeing stars.
Thank you for witinessing an improvement in my grammar,........i try to better it all the time, thanks for noticing !
But can i have your REPROCUCTION of his actuall words...so again what exactly does he say WORD FOR WORD IN THAT SPECIFIC INTERVIEW !!!

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There is no mistake, and the only inconsistency here is yours in happily accepting one post-mission recorded interview as gospel but no accepting post-mission written material. One suits your agenda, the other does not. Collins answered a question specifically about what they could see in lunar orbit, not from the surface, about a specific thing: stars in the solar corona.
Please a REPRODUCTION of all Armstrongs words and Collins following comments, maybe my English is not that good.
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Yet some hearsay you will accept and some you won't. You can indeed go and check Earth's sky and count how many stars appear in the vicinity of the moon. I suggest you do that. It isn't that I trust their statements, it's that their statements are true and are borne out by other things like the images taken by unmanned probes. The lunar and cislunar environment are not unknown, they had already been explored many times before Apollo 8 got there.
which ''hearsay'' do i accept ? I do not accept Apollo ''hearsay'' and those i believe for dismanteling the moonhoax simply research claims made by others instead of making claims about the moon themselves.
Accepting the moonlandings is ''hearsay'', not accepting the moonlandings is researching the ''hearsay'' about the moonlandings....see the difference ?
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Have you been to space? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you haven't, so why should I accept your word on what's there - you have no idea? The people who have been do, and as I've met a few and heard what they have to say about it I'm more prepared to accept their evidence than I am your unsupported conjecture. Their statements and the evidence they provide are entirely consistent with what they should be. The two photos I used in my previous post show planets as well as stars, and the positions of those planets are an exact match for the times the photographs were taken. That's not hearsay, that's verifiable fact.
I remember the coalition of the willing invading Iraque because of certain ''similar'' photographic evidence that was not only showed on tv, but also explained in detail by professionals who showed that it was an exact match on the satelite images between the location and premise of the places where Saddam had hidden his weapons of mass destruction.
What went wrong  ??
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Your opinion that it was a con job is a subjective interpretation not borne out by the facts. NASA has not updated views comments and pictures over the decades, I know because I have made it my business to get hold of original images and reports and not rely on the internet. Original blueprints still exist and the only tapes concerned are the ones from Apollo 11, which were probably (no-one actually knows) re-used long after the data on them outlived their usefulness.
So we can actually remake the Apollo moonsuits and cooling system ?
We can remake the LEM ?
We can remake the lead chassis of the Hasselblad ?
We can remake the exact goldfoil wraps ?
Wow !!!!!
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Indeed they will, just like you are only picking out things that suit your agenda. Still doesn''t mean that we didn't go to the moon.
In 2069 it probly will !!
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You don't get to decide what counts as proof I'm afraid, and you can't just ignore evidence because it proves you wrong. The photos taken in space contain a wealth of information that confirm that they were taken where and when they claimed they were taken thanks to the unique position of the planets and stars, or the unique time and date specific meteorological fingerprint of Earth, the position of the Earth's terminator, the location of the subsolar point in Earth images, the small rocks and craters on the lunar surface.
And what about the lunar wave in crow 777 videos of the moon ? Stars popping through the moon on recent footage ?
I don't know what to believe, both angles seem to view upon a total differnt moon,......one is a rock in space the other a far more complicated design that needs way more research.
I really don't know, but recent footage from earth by amatures show more and more bizare phenomena that goes against what has been said about the moon.......i think i cannot make up my mind very soon.....
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And where does he say it followed them to the moon and back?
What about it,......did i not provide enormous inconsistancies in Alldrin's updated release about L-shaped lights, lights, loose material ?
The former i read in an article, but i can't seem to find it anymore......i will try to find that last nail in the coffin of the liar Buzz though....promise !
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Of course it was his favourite subject, he believed passionately in the subject. He never once claimed to have seen any evidence himself of aliens. Again, you seem happy to accept an astronaut's word on this - someone who belongs to the class of "Lying scumbags" and who says he went to the moon. Why are you happy to accept his word but not that of other astronauts?
I am not accepting his words i am commenting on his lies and fantasies.
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It's not an excuse, it's true. Convicted thug Sibrel is famous for using underhand tactics to make a shitload of money from his 'documentaries' and has been exposed many times for not being honest in his editing and his claims of fact.
How was the Alan Bean ''VAB'' comment edited ? And how was the blue haze and camera shot of earth from the other side of the capsule faked by Bart ?
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The one where his suit failed and they had to get in there and rescue him? Seen it. It was public knowledge. So what? You're going to use evidence of suit testing to prove they didn't test the suits? Every component of the mission was tested on the ground and in space before it was used to get to the moon. It's all documented.
So you say that near vacuum chambers were tested for hours with men in spacesuits....please link !
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And you are entirely relying on your prejudiced and blinkered view. You haven'y been to space, but you can check for yourself whether the image contains things that are correct. The position of Jupiter in that image is exactly correct. I know this because I checked for myself. What have you done to prove it isn't?
Nothing because i have not explored that specific photo !

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #414 on: April 29, 2017, 12:00:00 AM »
And ? What does Neil say about Cislunar space and visibilty ? Your comments please and refrain from explainations, but let me hear what you think he said !

Already quoted it and explaine dit. Armstrong is respnding specifically to a question about visibility of stars and planets on the moon's surface.

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Thank you for witinessing an improvement in my grammar,........i try to better it all the time, thanks for noticing !
But can i have your REPROCUCTION of his actuall words...so again what exactly does he say WORD FOR WORD IN THAT SPECIFIC INTERVIEW !!!

See above.

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Please a REPRODUCTION of all Armstrongs words and Collins following comments, maybe my English is not that good.

All in here https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/FirstLunarLanding/toc.html

Again, Collins and Armstrong are responding to a specific question.

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which ''hearsay'' do i accept ? I do not accept Apollo ''hearsay'' and those i believe for dismanteling the moonhoax simply research claims made by others instead of making claims about the moon themselves.
Accepting the moonlandings is ''hearsay'', not accepting the moonlandings is researching the ''hearsay'' about the moonlandings....see the difference ?

There is no difference, just you deciding which evidence you are prepared to look at objectively and which you are not. You, as with many other people who hold your position, have also taken the view that anyone who accepts the moon landings as the historical fact that they are have never bothered to check any facts or do any serious thinking about it. The link in my signature should tell you that in my case at least (and in the case of many people who have an interest in that era of space exploration) this is categorically not true.

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I remember the coalition of the willing invading Iraque because of certain ''similar'' photographic evidence that was not only showed on tv, but also explained in detail by professionals who showed that it was an exact match on the satelite images between the location and premise of the places where Saddam had hidden his weapons of mass destruction.
What went wrong  ??

Irrelevant. Pointing at a mound of sand or a building in a satellite image sand saying "this is where I believe someone has hidden something" is entirely different from three completely different weather satellites recording images of clouds that could be seen from the ground and that were entirely consistent with the meteorological observations, and where sequential images show those weather patterns developing. There's also a world of difference between showing a photograph with no other spatial references and showing a live TV image of an entire globe.

Your statement also doesn't answer my point. You have also not been to space. I am also willing to be you have not met any astronauts. You are therefore not in a position to state whether other people's observations of being in space are true or not.

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So we can actually remake the Apollo moonsuits and cooling system ?

Yes. The modern EVA suits on the ISS and Shuttle are largely based on them, and the cooling mechanism is pretty simple use of sublimation and moving water in tubes.

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We can remake the LEM ?

Yes, and there are still people around who were involved in doing it first time around. What about its design and construction would be impossible to replicate?

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We can remake the lead chassis of the Hasselblad ?

The Hasselblad did not have a lead chassis.

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We can remake the exact goldfoil wraps ?

Kapton foil is still available now.


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And what about the lunar wave in crow 777 videos of the moon ? Stars popping through the moon on recent footage ?
I don't know what to believe, both angles seem to view upon a total differnt moon,......one is a rock in space the other a far more complicated design that needs way more research.
I really don't know, but recent footage from earth by amatures show more and more bizare phenomena that goes against what has been said about the moon.......i think i cannot make up my mind very soon.....

Crow's videos are BS. As for other stuff, you need to actually show them if we are going to discuss them.

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What about it,......did i not provide enormous inconsistancies in Alldrin's updated release about L-shaped lights, lights, loose material ?
The former i read in an article, but i can't seem to find it anymore......i will try to find that last nail in the coffin of the liar Buzz though....promise !

No, you didn't. You provided links to Buzz retelling a story he has retold many times. Maybe an 80 year old man introduces slight variations into the story to make it sound more interesting, maybe he remembers it slightly differently because he is an old man, but you still have the mission audio and transcripts to go through, and nowhere, ever, does he claim it was a UFO piloted by intelligent species, nowhere ever does he claim it followed them to the moon and back. Oh, and if he never went to the moon, nothing followed him anywhere, right?

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I am not accepting his words i am commenting on his lies and fantasies.

Prove he has lied.

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How was the Alan Bean ''VAB'' comment edited ? And how was the blue haze and camera shot of earth from the other side of the capsule faked by Bart ?

By asking him about his time in Skylab and pretending it was about Apollo. Bart did not fake the camera shot of Earth, neither did NASA. What he did was firstly make a false claim that it was secret footage 'accidentally' sent to him, and that the Earth was a fake. Firstly, it was not secret footage - it was broadcast on TV and images from it appeared in books and newspapers. Secondly, the image of Earth showed an image of a hurricane in a configuration unique to the day it was filmed. It could not have been filmed in Low Earth Orbit, it could not have been filmed earlier, it could not have been cobbled together using satellite imagery because the imagery was not complete for the globe at the time it was broadcast on TV. I've done my own analysis of the weather imagery on my own site, but there is also this:

http://www.apollo-history-and-hoax.com/Apollo11/index.html

In other words he just made shit up and people who don't bother checking the facts just swallow it whole.

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So you say that near vacuum chambers were tested for hours with men in spacesuits....please link !

There is a lot of documentation about vacuum testing of Apollo hardware,



http://www.drewexmachina.com/2016/10/26/the-apollo-flights-to-nowhere-the-testing-of-csm-008/

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD6857ApCertification.pdf

http://heroicrelics.org/space-ctr/lta-8/index.html

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Nothing because i have not explored that specific photo !

You have everything you need to check what's in it, so there's nothing to stop you.
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #415 on: April 29, 2017, 03:02:18 PM »
Already quoted it and explaine dit. Armstrong is respnding specifically to a question about visibility of stars and planets on the moon's surface.
I will stick to this one quote only.....
I really want you to write down the interview parts where Armstrong comments about visuality in cislunar space and.....
The comments from Armstrong and Collins about seeing stars in the post Apollo press conference.

When you have done that we can determine from a linguistic point of view what makes sense and what not.....and then we can continue....

Is this something you do not want to do for one reason or another ?

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #416 on: April 29, 2017, 07:17:32 PM »
So you say that near vacuum chambers were tested for hours with men in spacesuits....please link !
No, I believe it was 8 days and of a whole Apollo command module with crew - but you can go chase it up yourself!

Though taking off your  8) 8) NASAphobic  8) 8) glasses first
could help in an unbiased search for "the TRUTH" as flat earthers claim that they and they alone have.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #417 on: April 29, 2017, 11:22:58 PM »
Already quoted it and explaine dit. Armstrong is respnding specifically to a question about visibility of stars and planets on the moon's surface.
I will stick to this one quote only.....
I really want you to write down the interview parts where Armstrong comments about visuality in cislunar space and.....
The comments from Armstrong and Collins about seeing stars in the post Apollo press conference.

When you have done that we can determine from a linguistic point of view what makes sense and what not.....and then we can continue....

Is this something you do not want to do for one reason or another ?

I have a very good reason: I've already provided you with the information you wanted, and I may have monkey in my name but I'm not a performing chimp. Check the words for yourself, you will see that in a very exact linguistic sense Collins and Armstrong were responding to a very specific question about a very specific thing. The problem is that lazy internet researchers with an agenda attribute things to their statements that are not true and make unwarranted claims about their words.

If you are so keen to see the words in front of you on this page, figure out how to do copy and paste.
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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #418 on: April 30, 2017, 07:27:58 AM »
Already quoted it and explaine dit. Armstrong is respnding specifically to a question about visibility of stars and planets on the moon's surface.
I will stick to this one quote only.....
I really want you to write down the interview parts where Armstrong comments about visuality in cislunar space and.....
The comments from Armstrong and Collins about seeing stars in the post Apollo press conference.

When you have done that we can determine from a linguistic point of view what makes sense and what not.....and then we can continue....

Is this something you do not want to do for one reason or another ?
I have a very good reason: I've already provided you with the information you wanted,.

Well, thats actually not true, he is asking for you to put their convo in your own words... Demonstrating that you truly understand and comprehend what they are saying.

Your lack of willingness to do so, and repeated attemps to deflect and distract are very obvious indications that there is something you are trying to hide.

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Re: Why did NASA let Nazis run their program?
« Reply #419 on: May 01, 2017, 12:11:01 AM »
Already quoted it and explaine dit. Armstrong is respnding specifically to a question about visibility of stars and planets on the moon's surface.
I will stick to this one quote only.....
I really want you to write down the interview parts where Armstrong comments about visuality in cislunar space and.....
The comments from Armstrong and Collins about seeing stars in the post Apollo press conference.

When you have done that we can determine from a linguistic point of view what makes sense and what not.....and then we can continue....

Is this something you do not want to do for one reason or another ?
I have a very good reason: I've already provided you with the information you wanted,.

Well, thats actually not true, he is asking for you to put their convo in your own words... Demonstrating that you truly understand and comprehend what they are saying.

Your lack of willingness to do so, and repeated attemps to deflect and distract are very obvious indications that there is something you are trying to hide.

And I have already done that. There is nothing to hide in an exchange that is fully documented in video and as a transcript. Armstrong and Collins are responding to a specific question in a specific way. If dutchy, or you, want to present the actual words here and try and claim they are saying something different then go ahead. I'm not at your beck and call. If you have an argument to make, make it.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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