Can someone explain Scepti's concept of stacking to me?

I have asked several times but have yet to see an explaination.  He has thrown around a couple of examples, but as far as I can tell they require a force, such as gravity, to make them work.
I'm not saying you need agree with it, but if you grasp what he is talking about with stacking aspect of denpressure please clue me in.
I have seen other theories on here about flat earth, etc, that I don't agree with but at least I get what they are trying to say.  I have no idea what he is talking about though and whenever I ask he either asks me to explain gravity or puts me on ignore.
Thank you in advance.

I sure don't understand everything he claims, but I think his theory is based on the dome being a sealed unit. My understanding of why objects (such as us) are pressed against the earth is simply because that is the direction we are pushing into this sealed unit from. I guess this same principle must apply to the air as well? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I could follow that line of thinking for objects that are on the earth already. But I don't understand why objects in the air still want to come down. Also, if you are under another object that is apparently already holding the pressure above you shouldn't you be free from that pressure, thus able to float?


I plan to pursue further questioning of this theory with Scepti but it takes time and concentration to try and understand, as well as very careful wording, otherwise he'll just call you indoctrinated and stop talking.

These are just some thoughts about it. I would also like to know what others have grasped so far.

I sure don't understand everything he claims, but I think his theory is based on the dome being a sealed unit. My understanding of why objects (such as us) are pressed against the earth is simply because that is the direction we are pushing into this sealed unit from. I guess this same principle must apply to the air as well? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I could follow that line of thinking for objects that are on the earth already. But I don't understand why objects in the air still want to come down. Also, if you are under another object that is apparently already holding the pressure above you shouldn't you be free from that pressure, thus able to float?


I plan to pursue further questioning of this theory with Scepti but it takes time and concentration to try and understand, as well as very careful wording, otherwise he'll just call you indoctrinated and stop talking.

These are just some thoughts about it. I would also like to know what others have grasped so far.

Yeah, see when you get to that bit about objects falling or the floating thing he says it's because of stacking.  Apparently that's why pressure, which should push equally from all sides, pushes us down.
It's that stacking part, he he says is key to understanding it all, that I can't get my head around.

Quote from: Boots on January 15, 2017, 04:04:45 PM

I sure don't understand everything he claims, but I think his theory is based on the dome being a sealed unit. My understanding of why objects (such as us) are pressed against the earth is simply because that is the direction we are pushing into this sealed unit from. I guess this same principle must apply to the air as well? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I could follow that line of thinking for objects that are on the earth already. But I don't understand why objects in the air still want to come down. Also, if you are under another object that is apparently already holding the pressure above you shouldn't you be free from that pressure, thus able to float?


I plan to pursue further questioning of this theory with Scepti but it takes time and concentration to try and understand, as well as very careful wording, otherwise he'll just call you indoctrinated and stop talking.

These are just some thoughts about it. I would also like to know what others have grasped so far.

Yeah, see when you get to that bit about objects falling or the floating thing he says it's because of stacking.  Apparently that's why pressure, which should push equally from all sides, pushes us down.
It's that stacking part, he he says is key to understanding it all, that I can't get my head around.

Yeah I also struggle with that. I just thought if everyone with any insight would pool their ideas perhaps we could come to a better understanding. It took me awhile to catch onto the "sealed unit" aspect of his theory.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 15, 2017, 04:20:12 PM

Quote from: Boots on January 15, 2017, 04:04:45 PM

I sure don't understand everything he claims, but I think his theory is based on the dome being a sealed unit. My understanding of why objects (such as us) are pressed against the earth is simply because that is the direction we are pushing into this sealed unit from. I guess this same principle must apply to the air as well? Not sure about that.

Anyway, I could follow that line of thinking for objects that are on the earth already. But I don't understand why objects in the air still want to come down. Also, if you are under another object that is apparently already holding the pressure above you shouldn't you be free from that pressure, thus able to float?


I plan to pursue further questioning of this theory with Scepti but it takes time and concentration to try and understand, as well as very careful wording, otherwise he'll just call you indoctrinated and stop talking.

These are just some thoughts about it. I would also like to know what others have grasped so far.

Yeah, see when you get to that bit about objects falling or the floating thing he says it's because of stacking.  Apparently that's why pressure, which should push equally from all sides, pushes us down.
It's that stacking part, he he says is key to understanding it all, that I can't get my head around.

Yeah I also struggle with that. I just thought if everyone with any insight would pool their ideas perhaps we could come to a better understanding. It took me awhile to catch onto the "sealed unit" aspect of his theory.

Yeah me too.  Stacking seems to have something to do with density.  That seems to be why you can have thinner atmosphere when you go higher up.  Also it may have something to do with why you don't float once you jump up.  I gather this from when I asked why, once you have jumped and now the higher pressure is under neath you, you don't float.  He said it was because we are more dense than the air, so because of stacking, we push the air out of our way.
Or something like that.

Just from reading a few of the threads, I believe it has everything to do with density. If you have a jar full of small objects of different densities, shake it. What happens? The less dense objects make their way to the top while the more dense objects stay at the bottom.

Since basically everything is constantly vibrating at a subatomic level, we always make our way to the appropriate level of density.

At least that's what I make of it by sifting through dozens of posts.

Just from reading a few of the threads, I believe it has everything to do with density. If you have a jar full of small objects of different densities, shake it. What happens? The less dense objects make their way to the top while the more dense objects stay at the bottom.

Since basically everything is constantly vibrating at a subatomic level, we always make our way to the appropriate level of density.

At least that's what I make of it by sifting through dozens of posts.

Perfect start.

Hello sceptimatic!

The denpressure theory is fascinating, could you elaborate upon the foundation that I have built?

Is there something I left out?

Hello sceptimatic!

The denpressure theory is fascinating, could you elaborate upon the foundation that I have built?

Is there something I left out?

How about you elaborate on what you said and see how much of it you have grasped, just so I'm 100% sure you're not an alt who just wants to waste my time.

Just from reading a few of the threads, I believe it has everything to do with density. If you have a jar full of small objects of different densities, shake it. What happens? The less dense objects make their way to the top while the more dense objects stay at the bottom.

Since basically everything is constantly vibrating at a subatomic level, we always make our way to the appropriate level of density.

At least that's what I make of it by sifting through dozens of posts.

Ok I can follow that part.  The thing that trips me up is that you need gravity, or some equivalent, to make that work.  Something to determine a down. 

As near as I've been able to make out, the property of "down-falling-ness" has to be taken as axiomatic.  Things fall down just because they do--it's like a baseline law of reality that neither requires nor allows any further explanation.

Denpressure makes sense if you can accept that axiom.

Of course, that is the big "if" that has most of us hung up.

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Any questions?

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Any questions?

Yes.  In your example of sponge balls, it is gravity that pulls the other balls on top of the first one.  Without some kind of force pulling or pushing them down, they simply float.  Now you could force them into a tighter space and increase the pressure of them pushing against each other.  But then that pressure would be evenly distributed through out the tube and press equally on each ball.  There would be no top.

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.

Why?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 07:05:27 AM

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Any questions?

Yes.  In your example of sponge balls, it is gravity that pulls the other balls on top of the first one.  Without some kind of force pulling or pushing them down, they simply float.  Now you could force them into a tighter space and increase the pressure of them pushing against each other.  But then that pressure would be evenly distributed through out the tube and press equally on each ball.  There would be no top.

I think he really needs to explain it better.  Every analogy I have seen him use requires something like gravity to make it work.

I think something very telling is he refuses to come up with any experiment.  Also claims people who have are attempting to deceive others when they do one or need conditions that can not be duplicated. 

There is a thread where he agrees a couple experiments are good then when the results do not match what would be predicted for denpressure he makes the same claims.

Another telling behavior is not willing to answer," What if true proves denpressure wrong?" Well he answered if I recall, but that answer was basically nothing.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 08:29:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 07:05:27 AM

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Any questions?

Yes.  In your example of sponge balls, it is gravity that pulls the other balls on top of the first one.  Without some kind of force pulling or pushing them down, they simply float.  Now you could force them into a tighter space and increase the pressure of them pushing against each other.  But then that pressure would be evenly distributed through out the tube and press equally on each ball.  There would be no top.

I think he really needs to explain it better.  Every analogy I have seen him use requires something like gravity to make it work.

I think something very telling is he refuses to come up with any experiment.  Also claims people who have are attempting to deceive others when they do one or need conditions that can not be duplicated. 

There is a thread where he agrees a couple experiments are good then when the results do not match what would be predicted for denpressure he makes the same claims.

Another telling behavior is not willing to answer," What if true proves denpressure wrong?" Well he answered if I recall, but that answer was basically nothing.

That's been my point. Every example requires some other force, like gravity to make the example work.  I have asked for more explaination but he generally says he has already explained it fully.
I'm going with benefit of the doubt here and asumming that I simply missed the explanation somewhere.  That's why I started this thread, hoping that someone else saw it and could relate that information here.
Boots had a great idea of sort of pooling our information here to see if we can figure it out.

Any questions?

Yes

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Shouldn't one get a more accurate (or at least the same) result by laying the tube horizontal on the ground.  There's no gravity right?  So now we try pushing the sponge ball into the tube, followed by another, so on and so on. 

Now you say the tube isn't really there, so friction with the tube walls isn't a factor correct?

What stops the sponge balls from moving once I've pushed the first couple on their way?

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Is this pressure difference measurable? 

If the buildup of pressure in front of me when moving up is what causes me to fall back down, why doesn't the buildup of pressure in front of me when moving horizontally push me back to where I started?

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 09:08:14 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 08:29:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 07:05:27 AM

The stacking is easily understandable if you think of the stacking as far down into the Earth as you want to and remember that there will always be a push up from there by expansion of matter (vibration/friction/frequency) by energy applied.
All different densities of matter are segregated into a pressure sandwich by the act of push by expansion and resistance to the push resistance back onto them.

If you picture an empty tube miles high and you at the bottom feeding sponge balls into that tube to push one up into the other until the first very sponge ball sits at the very top, you would realise that as you fed these balls up one at a time you created a resistance of push into one ball until your push is under resistance of two then three and so on and so on, meaning that each ball you feed in takes more energy and becomes more compressed against your push.
The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

Now imagine infinite of those tubes and then making those tubes disappear to leave the sponge balls.
This is your atmosphere created by more dense push from under the ground.
Push your dense self into that and you displace those balls your body is in. If you could freeze right there and disappear, your body shape will be these compressing those balls out of your way but you know that those balls are now more compressed back onto you by your own density amount.
This is what would be measured on a scale plate as your man made weight measurement.

Now imagine walking in that.
Each step you take you displace compressed balls into other compressed balls...compressing them more and forcing the other compressed balls to fill the space your foot/leg/body movement created.
A reaction to action in equal measures.

Any questions?

Yes.  In your example of sponge balls, it is gravity that pulls the other balls on top of the first one.  Without some kind of force pulling or pushing them down, they simply float.  Now you could force them into a tighter space and increase the pressure of them pushing against each other.  But then that pressure would be evenly distributed through out the tube and press equally on each ball.  There would be no top.

I think he really needs to explain it better.  Every analogy I have seen him use requires something like gravity to make it work.

I think something very telling is he refuses to come up with any experiment.  Also claims people who have are attempting to deceive others when they do one or need conditions that can not be duplicated. 

There is a thread where he agrees a couple experiments are good then when the results do not match what would be predicted for denpressure he makes the same claims.

Another telling behavior is not willing to answer," What if true proves denpressure wrong?" Well he answered if I recall, but that answer was basically nothing.

That's been my point. Every example requires some other force, like gravity to make the example work.  I have asked for more explaination but he generally says he has already explained it fully.
I'm going with benefit of the doubt here and asumming that I simply missed the explanation somewhere.  That's why I started this thread, hoping that someone else saw it and could relate that information here.
Boots had a great idea of sort of pooling our information here to see if we can figure it out.

The way I understand it with some of his explanations it is basically buoyancy with a twist. 

If we consider the air a fluid like physics does it can not be just buoyancy since we would be able to build a sky boat.  Just displace enough air and something would float.  No need for helium, hot air or similar.  Yet many of his explanation seem as read very similar to buoyancy.

As I understand it if we had a infinite height for the atmosphere everything would be at different levels.  Similar to how a submarine controls it depth.  Denser stuff would be lower in the atmosphere.

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved. 

The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

[snip]

Any questions?

Yes.  Why is the top ball frozen?  If there is no friction above it, then what's to stop the ball underneath from just pushing that top most ball away into the nothingness above?  After all, no friction means no resistance to being pushed and there is no such thing as gravity to push or pull that ball down.

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

This would also completely remove the need for UA theory which is easily debunked by air craft flight.

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 07:05:27 AM

The very top ball would be a perfect expanded ball under the extreme minor push from the one below but no stress at all at the top. It becomes frozen because it cannot create any friction against anything above it because nothing exists above it.

[snip]

Any questions?

Yes.  Why is the top ball frozen?  If there is no friction above it, then what's to stop the ball underneath from just pushing that top most ball away into the nothingness above?  After all, no friction means no resistance to being pushed and there is no such thing as gravity to push or pull that ball down.

How can it be pushed away?
The very most that can happen is for it to be pushed up by added energy expansion or lowered down by compression once energy is not there.

believe that's what scepti is envisioning

I was thinking he just thought a dome on top of the land mass. It would have to be an entire self contained system with the land mass and everything else separate from it.

Interesting...

The problem is, if this is the case, what test could be performed besides finding the wall of the actual bubble? Vacuums or anything of the sort would not prove anything.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

No, it would be sitting on the bottom of the "bubble" (for lack of better words)...Finding one of the side walls, or if you could get high enough the "roof" would be possible

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Good question.  I think in his model the dome, or top of the bubble meets the ground and seals in the atmosphere.  No idea what is supposed to be underneath.  Turtles all the way down I suppose.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

No it's not floating in a bubble in my theory.
The dome covers the entirety of this Earth.
The Earth towards the dome foundation slopes upward with every step but extremely gradual over huge distance until the foundation becomes thinner as the height of the dome goes back over to the centre of Earth's cell.

We cannot reach it because it's too cold for man or machine. It would be like the terminator from terminator 2 trying to walk through the nitrogen spillage. Similar.
The suns (central Earth energy) reflection does not reach out this far.

Before we got anywhere near that point we would have to navigate ocean to frozen iceberg laden ocean to even gain any push on from that point.
Basically the point where humans die and machinery simply gives up.

Everything contained inside of the cell and our existence is closer to the centre but not so close as to be pushed into the vortex but close enough to feel the winds from the energy that creates it. (sun).

The physical stuff is in the centre of Earth and the reflections of that are in the pretty sky above  that we get told are million and billions and trillions and so on miles away planets and stars and what not.

There's people that know what's going on and they have access to the only telescopes capable of seeing lots of stuff, from prediction dome ice falls (icicles of hydrogen and helium, etc) to lots of other stuff that's making Earth the living, breathing, life giving cell that it is.

We only live because we are nothing more than human glow sticks like every other living thing, due to vibrations at frequencies due to expansion and contraction of matter.

We are under the crush of the atmosphere and we push against it constantly.
When we stop pushing, we die.

What was that? Crazy? nut job? Mentally retarded?
You think what you like but try not to say it whilst you believe you exist on a spinning globe in a vacuum.

Quote from: Boots on January 16, 2017, 11:31:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Good question.  I think in his model the dome, or top of the bubble meets the ground and seals in the atmosphere.  No idea what is supposed to be underneath.  Turtles all the way down I suppose.

No turtles. I have no clue what's underneath. I don't follow any of that. I follow my own thoughts.
Finding out exactly what Earth is in a truth will be nigh on impossible and maybe only a hand full of people actually know maybe 10% of the truth.
It's all about theories and I don't mean  the mainstream one's that set out a theory as a truth until something scuppers it for them to then say, " well we did say it was only a theory.2
What a way to cover your back if the shit hits the fan.

But anyway, one thin g Earth IS NOT. Earth IS NOT a spinning oblate spheroid in a vacuum orbiting a big 93 million mile sun with a diameter of over 800,000 miles.
People really need to wake up.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:42:50 AM

Quote from: Boots on January 16, 2017, 11:31:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Good question.  I think in his model the dome, or top of the bubble meets the ground and seals in the atmosphere.  No idea what is supposed to be underneath.  Turtles all the way down I suppose.

No turtles. I have no clue what's underneath. I don't follow any of that. I follow my own thoughts.
Finding out exactly what Earth is in a truth will be nigh on impossible and maybe only a hand full of people actually know maybe 10% of the truth.
It's all about theories and I don't mean  the mainstream one's that set out a theory as a truth until something scuppers it for them to then say, " well we did say it was only a theory.2
What a way to cover your back if the shit hits the fan.

But anyway, one thin g Earth IS NOT. Earth IS NOT a spinning oblate spheroid in a vacuum orbiting a big 93 million mile sun with a diameter of over 800,000 miles.
People really need to wake up.

Ok but you still have not explained why, in your example of the sponge balls, they push downward.  Why isn't the pressure equal all the way around?
The turtles thing was a joke, just an old saying.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:42:50 AM

Quote from: Boots on January 16, 2017, 11:31:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Good question.  I think in his model the dome, or top of the bubble meets the ground and seals in the atmosphere.  No idea what is supposed to be underneath.  Turtles all the way down I suppose.

No turtles. I have no clue what's underneath. I don't follow any of that. I follow my own thoughts.
Finding out exactly what Earth is in a truth will be nigh on impossible and maybe only a hand full of people actually know maybe 10% of the truth.
It's all about theories and I don't mean  the mainstream one's that set out a theory as a truth until something scuppers it for them to then say, " well we did say it was only a theory.2
What a way to cover your back if the shit hits the fan.

But anyway, one thin g Earth IS NOT. Earth IS NOT a spinning oblate spheroid in a vacuum orbiting a big 93 million mile sun with a diameter of over 800,000 miles.
People really need to wake up.

Ok but you still have not explained why, in your example of the sponge balls, they push downward.  Why isn't the pressure equal all the way around?
The turtles thing was a joke, just an old saying.

Imagine you got in between those balls I mentioned.
You displace those ball by your own mass, right?
By doing this you have compressed the balls above you and at the side and around you, right?

Ok, those compressed balls have been pushed into otehr balls and compressing them a bit more due to your energy.
Those balls exert the same force back onto you by trying to expand back against you and pushing you all over, INCLUDING down but not up because you are already expanded into the balls...unless you use more energy to jump.
By jumping you compress those balls above even more but this time you take the place of those balls but with your feet a little way off the ground and this is where the compressed balls would expand into to fill that void or lower pressure you created by compressing and making more pressure above. Equal reaction to action.

The few balls that expand under your feet are not enough to stop you being pushed back down to the floor due to there only being a small amount against the huge amount above.

Absolutely no need whatsoever for silly gravity.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 12:19:31 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 16, 2017, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:42:50 AM

Quote from: Boots on January 16, 2017, 11:31:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 16, 2017, 11:29:08 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Woody on January 16, 2017, 10:11:58 AM

That is why experiments like what was done in another thread and with a feather and bowling ball in NASA's largest vacuum chamber do not disprove denpressure.  The conditions needed to test his model can not be achieved.

This is interesting....

If I understand this correctly, then the dome would never work.

However.....

What about an entire bubble (doesn't have to be round, could be flat on the bottom), not just a dome... Completely self contained. The entire land mass (earth) is contained inside of this bubble?

I do believe that's what scepti is envisioning

Is the earth floating in the bubble? Could we potentially get around to the bottom side?

Good question.  I think in his model the dome, or top of the bubble meets the ground and seals in the atmosphere.  No idea what is supposed to be underneath.  Turtles all the way down I suppose.

No turtles. I have no clue what's underneath. I don't follow any of that. I follow my own thoughts.
Finding out exactly what Earth is in a truth will be nigh on impossible and maybe only a hand full of people actually know maybe 10% of the truth.
It's all about theories and I don't mean  the mainstream one's that set out a theory as a truth until something scuppers it for them to then say, " well we did say it was only a theory.2
What a way to cover your back if the shit hits the fan.

But anyway, one thin g Earth IS NOT. Earth IS NOT a spinning oblate spheroid in a vacuum orbiting a big 93 million mile sun with a diameter of over 800,000 miles.
People really need to wake up.

Ok but you still have not explained why, in your example of the sponge balls, they push downward.  Why isn't the pressure equal all the way around?
The turtles thing was a joke, just an old saying.

Imagine you got in between those balls I mentioned.
You displace those ball by your own mass, right?
By doing this you have compressed the balls above you and at the side and around you, right?

Ok, those compressed balls have been pushed into otehr balls and compressing them a bit more due to your energy.
Those balls exert the same force back onto you by trying to expand back against you and pushing you all over, INCLUDING down but not up because you are already expanded into the balls...unless you use more energy to jump.
By jumping you compress those balls above even more but this time you take the place of those balls but with your feet a little way off the ground and this is where the compressed balls would expand into to fill that void or lower pressure you created by compressing and making more pressure above. Equal reaction to action.

The few balls that expand under your feet are not enough to stop you being pushed back down to the floor due to there only being a small amount against the huge amount above.

Absolutely no need whatsoever for silly gravity.

Those balls above me or around me would only be compressed if they had something resisting them from above.  Without some force resisting they would simply move on up.
In your example of the tube, you have pressure on the second row pushing both up and down but the top row has no pressure above it.  It would simply be pushed away.
And when I jump, let's say with a trajectory, then there wouldn't be any lower pressure beneath me.  In fact the pressure would now be slightly higher beneath me than above me.  Pressure naturally pushes in all directions equally.
Your example only works with another force pushing things towards on particular direction.  Otherwise we would not have dopifferent pressure at different altitudes.