Air Pressure vs Gravity

Quote from: RocksEverywhere on February 15, 2017, 12:35:17 AM

How does this air pressure gravitation model work with bodies of water? If I have a glass of water and I drop a marble in there, what causes the marble to sink?

Is that marble more or less dense than the water?

But, why does the marble go down and not in some other direction? There has to be something that defines the direction - and that "something" is gravity!

The uniform pressure of a fluid cannot produce a nett force on any object totally immersed in the fluid.
Any forces due to pressure are caused by a pressure gradient, and that is caused by gravity. End of story.

if you don't follow this, go and learn a little basic physics!

The "official flat earth explanation" is "Universal Acceleration". I do not accept that, but it provides a good approximation to gravity - both behave as accelerations.

Quote from: RocksEverywhere on February 15, 2017, 12:35:17 AM

How does this air pressure gravitation model work with bodies of water? If I have a glass of water and I drop a marble in there, what causes the marble to sink?

Is that marble more or less dense than the water?

More.  Why is it forced down?

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

and that explanation fails in vacuum anyway

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

and that explanation fails in vacuum anyway

No vacuum that you know of exists and cannot exist in our reality, so how do you work out your explanation?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

To much work to do, not enough time.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 08:58:53 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

To much work to do, not enough time.

I didn't expect you could answer cwabbsy. You're just a shell of your former self. Such a shame.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

pressure acts in all directions (up, down, left, right, front, back and everything in between)

how does your pressure (that generates weight of an object) work only vertically downwards?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 08:58:53 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

pressure acts in all directions (up, down, left, right, front, back and everything in between)

how does your pressure (that generates weight of an object) work only vertically downwards?

Can you tell me why your pressure works this way?

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 09:58:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 08:58:53 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

pressure acts in all directions (up, down, left, right, front, back and everything in between)

how does your pressure (that generates weight of an object) work only vertically downwards?

Can you tell me why your pressure works this way?

here a erxplanation:
Air pressure is exerted on the surface of a body by air molecules hitting the surface and being reflected. Each of these reflections (gazillions of which happen per second) transfers a little impulse on the surface, which macroscopically means a permanent force (per unit of area). Why do the air molecules bounce and hit all the time? Either because the air is moving at large (aka. "wind"), or because they bounce around irregularly (aka. "temperature"). The latter kind of movement knows no preferred direction and therefore the pressure is the same no matter what orientation the test surface has. The very fact that there is no net movement (wind) is expressed by the fact that the same force acts on the back side of a thin surface as on the front side (so there is no net force)

now its up to you, how does your pressure work?

here a erxplanation:
Air pressure is exerted on the surface of a body by air molecules hitting the surface and being reflected. Each of these reflections (gazillions of which happen per second) transfers a little impulse on the surface, which macroscopically means a permanent force (per unit of area). Why do the air molecules bounce and hit all the time? Either because the air is moving at large (aka. "wind"), or because they bounce around irregularly (aka. "temperature"). The latter kind of movement knows no preferred direction and therefore the pressure is the same no matter what orientation the test surface has. The very fact that there is no net movement (wind) is expressed by the fact that the same force acts on the back side of a thin surface as on the front side (so there is no net force)

now its up to you, how does your pressure work?

First of all you can answer my questions before I try again with you with mine.

You say that molecules are just bouncing about in their  (name a number) amounts, just randomly.
So tell me how weather works with this random bouncing molecules?
Also tell me why you lose hydrogen and helium by leakage into your space, because that tells me that your atmosphere is not bouncing down to the ground but actually bouncing up into your space, somehow.

In the simplest terms you can use without copy and pasting from a ready made mainstream page, tell me how this works and tell me why your gravity appears to be taking a backwards stance from the one we are told about?

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 10:33:46 AM

here a erxplanation:
Air pressure is exerted on the surface of a body by air molecules hitting the surface and being reflected. Each of these reflections (gazillions of which happen per second) transfers a little impulse on the surface, which macroscopically means a permanent force (per unit of area). Why do the air molecules bounce and hit all the time? Either because the air is moving at large (aka. "wind"), or because they bounce around irregularly (aka. "temperature"). The latter kind of movement knows no preferred direction and therefore the pressure is the same no matter what orientation the test surface has. The very fact that there is no net movement (wind) is expressed by the fact that the same force acts on the back side of a thin surface as on the front side (so there is no net force)

now its up to you, how does your pressure work?

First of all you can answer my questions before I try again with you with mine.

You say that molecules are just bouncing about in their  (name a number) amounts, just randomly.
So tell me how weather works with this random bouncing molecules?
Also tell me why you lose hydrogen and helium by leakage into your space, because that tells me that your atmosphere is not bouncing down to the ground but actually bouncing up into your space, somehow.

In the simplest terms you can use without copy and pasting from a ready made mainstream page, tell me how this works and tell me why your gravity appears to be taking a backwards stance from the one we are told about?

you wanted an explanation, i gave you one. It does not matter that i copied it from a (you called) mainstream site.
You can find a lot of explanations of how pressure works in scientific publications.
why should i bring you tons of scientific research, you can do the same.
As far i know you you will not give me an explanation about your pressure idea (we had that already in an other thread).
Why should i explain to you something you easily look up your self.
I on the other hand can not find one explanation of how your pressure only works.
The only thing i find is your non proven description of your idea.

Because you say that gravity does not exist and all research is wrong its up to you to prove your claims.
And if you can not do it, it is only a non proven idea.

The problem I'm having in understanding your model is you seem to interchange pressure, and everything we know about pressure, with gravity, and everything we know about gravity.  I realize you don't believe it exists, but since you believe pressure exists then you must know that it appears to work in all directions and not just down. There are plenty of simple examples of that.  An airplane generates lift just sitting on the tarmac, that's why they have to tie the wings down in heavy winds.  When you blow up a basketball, the pressure inside is distributed evenly within or else it would wobble when you rolled it down the court or have soft spots. Weather is greatly impacted by high and low pressure systems and the turbulence at the edge where they try to equal out.

If I had two jars with a pressure gauge at the top and a tube with a valve connecting them but sealed, and I pumped one with ten pounds of pressure and the other with two and then opened the valve between them, the pressure would equalize.  Besides that the amount of pressure inside the jar would have no impact on what the jar weighed by itself, only the amount of air that was inside the jar and it's associated weight.

So can you explain how your air pressure provides a crushing, pushing or otherwise downward force on all physical items to help me understand?

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 21, 2017, 07:39:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 07:29:16 AM

It's squeezed down.
It would be squeezed up it had more expanded molecules trapped within it.
It's the crush that causes the push.

But that still does not explain why it squeezes in a particular direction.  We know that pressure doesn't work like that.

So how does pressure work in your world?

It presses equally in all directions.  Why does it push down in your model?

you wanted an explanation, i gave you one. It does not matter that i copied it from a (you called) mainstream site.
You can find a lot of explanations of how pressure works in scientific publications.
why should i bring you tons of scientific research, you can do the same.
As far i know you you will not give me an explanation about your pressure idea (we had that already in an other thread).
Why should i explain to you something you easily look up your self.
I on the other hand can not find one explanation of how your pressure only works.
The only thing i find is your non proven description of your idea.

Because you say that gravity does not exist and all research is wrong its up to you to prove your claims.
And if you can not do it, it is only a non proven idea.

If you can't use your own brain to explain then stop harping on about wanting me to explain to you, time and time again, mine from which you cannot grasp nor attempt to for some reason.
You appear to be backward.

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 11:15:01 AM

you wanted an explanation, i gave you one. It does not matter that i copied it from a (you called) mainstream site.
You can find a lot of explanations of how pressure works in scientific publications.
why should i bring you tons of scientific research, you can do the same.
As far i know you you will not give me an explanation about your pressure idea (we had that already in an other thread).
Why should i explain to you something you easily look up your self.
I on the other hand can not find one explanation of how your pressure only works.
The only thing i find is your non proven description of your idea.

Because you say that gravity does not exist and all research is wrong its up to you to prove your claims.
And if you can not do it, it is only a non proven idea.

If you can't use your own brain to explain then stop harping on about wanting me to explain to you, time and time again, mine from which you cannot grasp nor attempt to for some reason.
You appear to be backward.

No matter how many times we bring up some obvious elementary physics

The problem I'm having in understanding your model is you seem to interchange pressure, and everything we know about pressure, with gravity, and everything we know about gravity.  I realize you don't believe it exists, but since you believe pressure exists then you must know that it appears to work in all directions and not just down. There are plenty of simple examples of that.

I know it works in all directions. I never said it doesn't.
The key is to know why it does what it does and I've explained it many times but you refuse to grasp it.

  An airplane generates lift just sitting on the tarmac, that's why they have to tie the wings down in heavy winds.

And heavy winds are caused by low and high pressures equalising or attempting to. Understand what's going on here and you just might understand denpressure.

  When you blow up a basketball, the pressure inside is distributed evenly within or else it would wobble when you rolled it down the court or have soft spots.

Yes because it's a sphere.
Now cut it in half and seal it, then fill it with air pressure.
Is it still evenly distributed?
If so, tell me why.
If not, tell me why.

Weather is greatly impacted by high and low pressure systems and the turbulence at the edge where they try to equal out.

Now that you know this, try and understand what's really going on by the creation of high and low pressures.

If I had two jars with a pressure gauge at the top and a tube with a valve connecting them but sealed, and I pumped one with ten pounds of pressure and the other with two and then opened the valve between them, the pressure would equalize.  Besides that the amount of pressure inside the jar would have no impact on what the jar weighed by itself, only the amount of air that was inside the jar and it's associated weight.

Believe it or not but you are also close to knowing how and why you can evacuate a chamber of some but not all pressure.
Can you understand it from what you mentioned?
If so then explain it.

So can you explain how your air pressure provides a crushing, pushing or otherwise downward force on all physical items to help me understand?

Ok. It can only provide the downward force if an object is pushing up into it. And that force is the equal reactionary force to what that object displaced of atmosphere.
Picture the atmosphere as black and you white.
You stand in it and you see your silhouette in that blackness.
If you see an all white silhouette then it means that your entire body is taking up it's entirety of blackness.
But where has the blackness went to that you displaced?

Let's see if you can answer this and we can try and make some head way, maybe.

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 11:15:01 AM

you wanted an explanation, i gave you one. It does not matter that i copied it from a (you called) mainstream site.
You can find a lot of explanations of how pressure works in scientific publications.
why should i bring you tons of scientific research, you can do the same.
As far i know you you will not give me an explanation about your pressure idea (we had that already in an other thread).
Why should i explain to you something you easily look up your self.
I on the other hand can not find one explanation of how your pressure only works.
The only thing i find is your non proven description of your idea.

Because you say that gravity does not exist and all research is wrong its up to you to prove your claims.
And if you can not do it, it is only a non proven idea.

If you can't use your own brain to explain then stop harping on about wanting me to explain to you, time and time again, mine from which you cannot grasp nor attempt to for some reason.
You appear to be backward.

I can assure you that I can use my brain.
I understand your idea of you pressure quite well because I work every day with airpressure.  I also did some experiments with the topic of air pressure high and low.
You always tell others,  if they not accept your idea, they are simply to stupid to agree with you.
Do you really think that is the way to support your idea.  Every person who hears your idea should think about it,  why do you can not present any evidence for you idea and why you refuse to explain it.
Even in the case you could somehow disprove any argument for gravity,  would not mean that your idea of pressure is true. There could be a other explanation.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

The problem I'm having in understanding your model is you seem to interchange pressure, and everything we know about pressure, with gravity, and everything we know about gravity.  I realize you don't believe it exists, but since you believe pressure exists then you must know that it appears to work in all directions and not just down. There are plenty of simple examples of that.

I know it works in all directions. I never said it doesn't.
The key is to know why it does what it does and I've explained it many times but you refuse to grasp it.

I’m not the only one who is apparently not grasping it as you’ve explained it so maybe some further clarification is required.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

  An airplane generates lift just sitting on the tarmac, that's why they have to tie the wings down in heavy winds.

And heavy winds are caused by low and high pressures equalising or attempting to. Understand what's going on here and you just might understand denpressure.

I understand the idea of cooling air descending and causing a higher pressure are and the reverse for warming air rising.  I also know the effect of each on the winds (Ironically due to the rotation of the earth) so that high pressure leads to calmer weather and low pressure leads to unsettled.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

  When you blow up a basketball, the pressure inside is distributed evenly within or else it would wobble when you rolled it down the court or have soft spots.

Yes because it's a sphere.
Now cut it in half and seal it, then fill it with air pressure.
Is it still evenly distributed?
If so, tell me why.
If not, tell me why.

It would still be evenly distributed because that is how pressure works.  What shape the new ‘basketwhatever’ was in would depend on what the material you sealed it up with was made up of.  If it was the same material as the rest of the basketball, then you would end up with a squat egg-shape or something akin to the bottom of a bozo the knockdown clown toy.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

Weather is greatly impacted by high and low pressure systems and the turbulence at the edge where they try to equal out.

Now that you know this, try and understand what's really going on by the creation of high and low pressures.

I’ve always known this, just still don’t see how that helps explain the downward force we all feel which has been described as gravity.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

If I had two jars with a pressure gauge at the top and a tube with a valve connecting them but sealed, and I pumped one with ten pounds of pressure and the other with two and then opened the valve between them, the pressure would equalize.  Besides that the amount of pressure inside the jar would have no impact on what the jar weighed by itself, only the amount of air that was inside the jar and it's associated weight.

Believe it or not but you are also close to knowing how and why you can evacuate a chamber of some but not all pressure.
Can you understand it from what you mentioned?
If so then explain it.

Are you saying that various vacuum chambers used in experiments are not vacuum chambers?

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

So can you explain how your air pressure provides a crushing, pushing or otherwise downward force on all physical items to help me understand?

Ok. It can only provide the downward force if an object is pushing up into it. And that force is the equal reactionary force to what that object displaced of atmosphere.
Picture the atmosphere as black and you white.
You stand in it and you see your silhouette in that blackness.
If you see an all white silhouette then it means that your entire body is taking up it's entirety of blackness.
But where has the blackness went to that you displaced?

Let's see if you can answer this and we can try and make some head way, maybe.

Well, since I was already in the atmosphere/black to begin with, I didn’t really displace anymore then what I was before. I would ‘feel’ (not really) all of the atmosphere pushing against me at all sides but I would displace the same amount of atmosphere even if I was standing on the ground or magically floating in air if that was possible. I’m personally trying to understand, and believe me that I am, how the pressure of the atmosphere has anything to do with how much I weigh based on your explanations.

Also, apologize if I mess the whole segmented quote issue…..it is my first attempt.

I can assure you that I can use my brain.
I understand your idea of you pressure quite well because I work every day with airpressure.  I also did some experiments with the topic of air pressure high and low.
You always tell others,  if they not accept your idea, they are simply to stupid to agree with you.
Do you really think that is the way to support your idea.  Every person who hears your idea should think about it,  why do you can not present any evidence for you idea and why you refuse to explain it.
Even in the case you could somehow disprove any argument for gravity,  would not mean that your idea of pressure is true. There could be a other explanation.

I agree with that.
In the mean time we know gravity is destroyed, whether it's my theory or another one.

Wrong topic. The true types are:

Air pressure vs Intikamity force. 

Air pressure vs God's hand

Air pressure vs a force we don't know what it is.

Air pressure vs anything absent.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

The problem I'm having in understanding your model is you seem to interchange pressure, and everything we know about pressure, with gravity, and everything we know about gravity.  I realize you don't believe it exists, but since you believe pressure exists then you must know that it appears to work in all directions and not just down. There are plenty of simple examples of that.

I know it works in all directions. I never said it doesn't.
The key is to know why it does what it does and I've explained it many times but you refuse to grasp it.

I’m not the only one who is apparently not grasping it as you’ve explained it so maybe some further clarification is required.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

  An airplane generates lift just sitting on the tarmac, that's why they have to tie the wings down in heavy winds.

And heavy winds are caused by low and high pressures equalising or attempting to. Understand what's going on here and you just might understand denpressure.

I understand the idea of cooling air descending and causing a higher pressure are and the reverse for warming air rising.  I also know the effect of each on the winds (Ironically due to the rotation of the earth) so that high pressure leads to calmer weather and low pressure leads to unsettled.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

  When you blow up a basketball, the pressure inside is distributed evenly within or else it would wobble when you rolled it down the court or have soft spots.

Yes because it's a sphere.
Now cut it in half and seal it, then fill it with air pressure.
Is it still evenly distributed?
If so, tell me why.
If not, tell me why.

It would still be evenly distributed because that is how pressure works.  What shape the new ‘basketwhatever’ was in would depend on what the material you sealed it up with was made up of.  If it was the same material as the rest of the basketball, then you would end up with a squat egg-shape or something akin to the bottom of a bozo the knockdown clown toy.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

Weather is greatly impacted by high and low pressure systems and the turbulence at the edge where they try to equal out.

Now that you know this, try and understand what's really going on by the creation of high and low pressures.

I’ve always known this, just still don’t see how that helps explain the downward force we all feel which has been described as gravity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

If I had two jars with a pressure gauge at the top and a tube with a valve connecting them but sealed, and I pumped one with ten pounds of pressure and the other with two and then opened the valve between them, the pressure would equalize.  Besides that the amount of pressure inside the jar would have no impact on what the jar weighed by itself, only the amount of air that was inside the jar and it's associated weight.

Believe it or not but you are also close to knowing how and why you can evacuate a chamber of some but not all pressure.
Can you understand it from what you mentioned?
If so then explain it.

Are you saying that various vacuum chambers used in experiments are not vacuum chambers?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 21, 2017, 11:26:17 AM

So can you explain how your air pressure provides a crushing, pushing or otherwise downward force on all physical items to help me understand?

Ok. It can only provide the downward force if an object is pushing up into it. And that force is the equal reactionary force to what that object displaced of atmosphere.
Picture the atmosphere as black and you white.
You stand in it and you see your silhouette in that blackness.
If you see an all white silhouette then it means that your entire body is taking up it's entirety of blackness.
But where has the blackness went to that you displaced?

Let's see if you can answer this and we can try and make some head way, maybe.

Well, since I was already in the atmosphere/black to begin with, I didn’t really displace anymore then what I was before. I would ‘feel’ (not really) all of the atmosphere pushing against me at all sides but I would displace the same amount of atmosphere even if I was standing on the ground or magically floating in air if that was possible. I’m personally trying to understand, and believe me that I am, how the pressure of the atmosphere has anything to do with how much I weigh based on your explanations.

Also, apologize if I mess the whole segmented quote issue…..it is my first attempt.

Ok fair enough. No hard feelings.
Maybe one day you might grasp it, maybe not.
Anyway, just stick to mainstream until you're ready to realise how duped you were.

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 03:42:46 PM

I can assure you that I can use my brain.
I understand your idea of you pressure quite well because I work every day with airpressure.  I also did some experiments with the topic of air pressure high and low.
You always tell others,  if they not accept your idea, they are simply to stupid to agree with you.
Do you really think that is the way to support your idea.  Every person who hears your idea should think about it,  why do you can not present any evidence for you idea and why you refuse to explain it.
Even in the case you could somehow disprove any argument for gravity,  would not mean that your idea of pressure is true. There could be a other explanation.

I agree with that.
In the mean time we know gravity is destroyed, whether it's my theory or another one.

Really?  Honestly I see no evidence of that whatsoever.  There are a couple of interesting theories here, yours among them, but nothing even comes remotely close to explaining the world around us as gravity does.  I have yet to see any experiment or evidence of anything that actually disputes gravity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 11:35:58 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 03:42:46 PM

I can assure you that I can use my brain.
I understand your idea of you pressure quite well because I work every day with airpressure.  I also did some experiments with the topic of air pressure high and low.
You always tell others,  if they not accept your idea, they are simply to stupid to agree with you.
Do you really think that is the way to support your idea.  Every person who hears your idea should think about it,  why do you can not present any evidence for you idea and why you refuse to explain it.
Even in the case you could somehow disprove any argument for gravity,  would not mean that your idea of pressure is true. There could be a other explanation.

I agree with that.
In the mean time we know gravity is destroyed, whether it's my theory or another one.

Really?  Honestly I see no evidence of that whatsoever.  There are a couple of interesting theories here, yours among them, but nothing even comes remotely close to explaining the world around us as gravity does.  I have yet to see any experiment or evidence of anything that actually disputes gravity.

Ok, fair enough. You have your right to that.
If you ever decide to seriously question this stuff....and I mean to the point of way outside of the box, then I hope you get to see a little bit of light that makes you further question.

If you are happy with your lot, then I say fair enough and good luck.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 22, 2017, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 21, 2017, 11:35:58 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on February 21, 2017, 03:42:46 PM

I can assure you that I can use my brain.
I understand your idea of you pressure quite well because I work every day with airpressure.  I also did some experiments with the topic of air pressure high and low.
You always tell others,  if they not accept your idea, they are simply to stupid to agree with you.
Do you really think that is the way to support your idea.  Every person who hears your idea should think about it,  why do you can not present any evidence for you idea and why you refuse to explain it.
Even in the case you could somehow disprove any argument for gravity,  would not mean that your idea of pressure is true. There could be a other explanation.

I agree with that.
In the mean time we know gravity is destroyed, whether it's my theory or another one.

Really?  Honestly I see no evidence of that whatsoever.  There are a couple of interesting theories here, yours among them, but nothing even comes remotely close to explaining the world around us as gravity does.  I have yet to see any experiment or evidence of anything that actually disputes gravity.

Ok, fair enough. You have your right to that.
If you ever decide to seriously question this stuff....and I mean to the point of way outside of the box, then I hope you get to see a little bit of light that makes you further question.

If you are happy with your lot, then I say fair enough and good luck.

I have questioned you many times on this and you have always been evasive.  You offer no actual proof, just thought experiments and analogies that depend on gravity or some sort of force pulling or pushing things downward.
It isn't a question of being locked in any sort of a box, it is simply that logic, reason and observation dispute these theories.  It really is a cop out on your part to say that everyone else is too brainwashed to understand a system you have failed to properly explain.
Frankly, as a fan and writer of sci fi I would love for something like DET to be true.  I understand it to a certain extent and, within itself, it has a kind of logic.  Not that it doesn't have massive failings, it does, but it really tries to explain why things are.
You however do not choose to truly explain your system.  Instead you act as if you are some sort of guru trying to bring a student to their own self discovery with analogies, that are, at best incomplete, and a constant badgering that they are too willfully blind to see.
Perhaps if you took the approach of an actual scientist and explained, in detail, with repeatable experimentation, why your system is a better  idea, people could understand it.
But, no, I do not except your blanket statement that everyone else is to blind to see.  If your system worked it would be explainable in detail.  So far, that has not been the case.
As always, the main sticking point is that pressure applies equally in all directions.  It does not push down.  Displacement doesn't work for this in every situation.  Expanding molecules do not work as that would equalize pressure.  Stacking only works if you have some force pushing or pulling down.
I love exploring the ideas of universes where things are truly different.  But they must be complete and work in every situation.  And you must be able to explain them.

I have questioned you many times on this and you have always been evasive.  You offer no actual proof, just thought experiments and analogies that depend on gravity or some sort of force pulling or pushing things downward.
It isn't a question of being locked in any sort of a box, it is simply that logic, reason and observation dispute these theories.  It really is a cop out on your part to say that everyone else is too brainwashed to understand a system you have failed to properly explain.

Nothing disputes the theory. You think it does but you have no direct proof of it.
Like your gravity that you stick rigidly to, cannot be proven yet you people harp on and on and on that Cavendish did this and that and Newton said and what not.
What is gravity?...Answer: drop something and viola.
Bollocks.

Frankly, as a fan and writer of sci fi I would love for something like DET to be true.  I understand it to a certain extent and, within itself, it has a kind of logic.  Not that it doesn't have massive failings, it does, but it really tries to explain why things are.
You however do not choose to truly explain your system.  Instead you act as if you are some sort of guru trying to bring a student to their own self discovery with analogies, that are, at best incomplete, and a constant badgering that they are too willfully blind to see.

Then concentrate on DET and leave this one alone. Accept you can't understand it for whatever reasons you cite and be done with it. There's no problem. I'm not begging you to do anything.

Perhaps if you took the approach of an actual scientist and explained, in detail, with repeatable experimentation, why your system is a better  idea, people could understand it.
But, no, I do not except your blanket statement that everyone else is to blind to see.  If your system worked it would be explainable in detail.  So far, that has not been the case.

I can take whatever approach I see fit. I do not have to adhere to a certain stance on anything I put out. It's my way and it's up to interested parties to either look at what's said or bypass it.
I'm fine with it, either way.

As always, the main sticking point is that pressure applies equally in all directions.  It does not push down.  Displacement doesn't work for this in every situation.

It does push down and it doesn't apply EQUALLY because if it did, nothing would exist.
Let me say this one more time.
Nothing works unless there is an action and then an equal and opposite reaction to that action.
As far as atmosphere goes, it means there will always be compression and expansion by the various means we understand to a degree.
The truth is, it's all the same thing. It's just down to densities.
For anything to work you always create a high pressure before it can equalise with a low pressure.
The key is when that is nearly stopped from happening in terms of what we perceive..

As an instance, when an object is stationary to our senses. It creates an compression of atmosphere...
I'm typing this and thinking...what are you wasting your time on this person for.

  Expanding molecules do not work as that would equalize pressure.  Stacking only works if you have some force pushing or pulling down.
I love exploring the ideas of universes where things are truly different.  But they must be complete and work in every situation.  And you must be able to explain them.

Stick to your universe and all the crap in it. And enjoy your sci-fi writings.

Problem with Scepti is he makes up words like 'compression of atmosphere' and 'displaced atmosphere' without being able to explain them.  Then he gets rude, showing he is playing a game.

On the FE balloons would be flat.  And somehow this magical atmosphere that knows which way is down, and knows what material a balloon is filled with allows one with helium to rise....