Air Pressure vs Gravity

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1650 on: January 31, 2017, 11:05:51 AM »

If you don't want to debate gravity, then stop asking for proof of it.
I ask for proof just as you ask me for proof.
You show me a video that proves nothing.

Here's a video that shows atmospheric pressure acting upon an object.


Well done.

We all agree that air pressure can act on an object. However, air pressure acts in all directions not just down.
How about you describe something being equally acted upon by the atmosphere. Think about it before you just jump in.

That video for example or the many other examples of cans being crushed by atmospheric pressure when the pressure inside is dropped. You'll notice in all of them the can is crushed on all sides not just down.

Now stop running away and back to cavendish. What is wrong with the experiment?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1651 on: January 31, 2017, 01:03:11 PM »

If you don't want to debate gravity, then stop asking for proof of it.
I ask for proof just as you ask me for proof.
You show me a video that proves nothing.
Incorrect.  You decided that you don't want to debate the Cavendish experiment because you know that gravity can explain the results but denpressure can't.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1652 on: January 31, 2017, 05:07:32 PM »
Btw pressure doesn't exist, can you show me a physical piece of pressure, you can say that your barometer moving shows pressure but it doesn't, it just shows a barometer moving, no one can explain why this magical invisible pressure real exists. Stop being a brainwashed sheep and realise that denpressure is impossible, be a free thinker and realise the truth.

Also If I breath near a barometer it doesn't move, but my breathing should be moving air so should change the air pressure, further evidence that air pressure doesn't exist!

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« Reply #1653 on: January 31, 2017, 08:19:48 PM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1654 on: January 31, 2017, 11:11:09 PM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction
It doesn't pus equally from all sides. It never can.
And the force that makes stacking work comes from below.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1655 on: February 01, 2017, 12:05:59 AM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction
It doesn't pus equally from all sides. It never can.
And the force that makes stacking work comes from below.

At any one point pressure is equal in all directions.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1656 on: February 01, 2017, 12:07:11 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1657 on: February 01, 2017, 12:14:13 AM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction
It doesn't pus equally from all sides. It never can.
And the force that makes stacking work comes from below.

At any one point pressure is equal in all directions.
No it's not.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1658 on: February 01, 2017, 12:16:17 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1659 on: February 01, 2017, 12:32:37 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1660 on: February 01, 2017, 12:52:03 AM »
I know for certain that Scepti did NOT watch that video.

How?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1661 on: February 01, 2017, 01:16:53 AM »
I know for certain that Scepti did NOT watch that video.

How?

The video was 15+ minutes long. Check the posting times......
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1662 on: February 01, 2017, 01:38:34 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
Earth has a natural whirlpool action from the centre, outwards.
Everything is moving around you as matter.
It also moves hanging mass.

If you can now tell me what the gravitational force is that causes the mass to meet mass is, then fire away but don't just say "it just does" because that is not an answer, no matter how many of your peers you have stood beside you.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1663 on: February 01, 2017, 01:40:13 AM »
I know for certain that Scepti did NOT watch that video.

How?

The video was 15+ minutes long. Check the posting times......
You're under the impression that I've never seen that video before. I've seen many because you people keep putting them forward over time.
Using it as a proof is ridiculous and you know it.

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« Reply #1664 on: February 01, 2017, 01:44:05 AM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction
It doesn't pus equally from all sides. It never can.
And the force that makes stacking work comes from below.
Ok what is that force, how does it work?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1665 on: February 01, 2017, 01:58:05 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
Earth has a natural whirlpool action from the centre, outwards.
Everything is moving around you as matter.
It also moves hanging mass.

If you can now tell me what the gravitational force is that causes the mass to meet mass is, then fire away but don't just say "it just does" because that is not an answer, no matter how many of your peers you have stood beside you.

So why does the hanging mass not move until another mass is moved next it and always towards that mass no matter what side it is on? And why does the deflection increase when a larger mass is used?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1666 on: February 01, 2017, 02:10:27 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
Earth has a natural whirlpool action from the centre, outwards.
Everything is moving around you as matter.
It also moves hanging mass.

If you can now tell me what the gravitational force is that causes the mass to meet mass is, then fire away but don't just say "it just does" because that is not an answer, no matter how many of your peers you have stood beside you.
Can you explain why I can't walk through walls, there is no good reason for why I can't occupy the same space on the wall, don't say "I just can't" or say there is some magic force that causes matter to push other matter when they try to pass through each other.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1667 on: February 01, 2017, 02:12:40 AM »
We don't need to use a barometer as THE scale. I'm just pointing out the pressure push against resistance.
A normal everyday scale suffices for measurement but you people believe that's gravity causing weight by mass on mass.
You can't explain why and that somehow makes you right because Newton and Einstein and co said it was.
You just follow the supposed leaders.

Take away space shenanigans and a spinning Earth and gravity is not required as the magical force.
Then weirdly my denpressure becomes all too real and all too easy to see why it's real.

Whilst this Earth spin, space nonsense stays in people's minds, then so will all the rest of the added in magic that the puppeteers mentally placed before them.
Except your denspressure requires some force to make stacking work.  Without some other force the pressure would equalize throughout the dome.  And there is no explanation as to why pressure which pushes equally from all sides should push only in one direction
It doesn't pus equally from all sides. It never can.
And the force that makes stacking work comes from below.
Ok what is that force, how does it work?
I feel I have to start from the very beginning to explain it to you and even when I do that, I have the feeling that you will then say "so what is the force."
On that note, I think I'll pick and choose when to engage you, because I seriously think your mindset is to try and take the piss and deflect my attention away.
I've already taken you out of the bin. I can easily put you back.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1668 on: February 01, 2017, 02:13:33 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
Earth has a natural whirlpool action from the centre, outwards.
Everything is moving around you as matter.
It also moves hanging mass.

If you can now tell me what the gravitational force is that causes the mass to meet mass is, then fire away but don't just say "it just does" because that is not an answer, no matter how many of your peers you have stood beside you.

So why does the hanging mass not move until another mass is moved next it and always towards that mass no matter what side it is on? And why does the deflection increase when a larger mass is used?
Why does a feather move when you swipe your hand away from it?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1669 on: February 01, 2017, 02:17:46 AM »
Can you explain why I can't walk through walls, there is no good reason for why I can't occupy the same space on the wall, don't say "I just can't" or say there is some magic force that causes matter to push other matter when they try to pass through each other.
You can occupy the same space, or be part of it. It just requires an expansion of your molecular make up.
Try this out.
 Lay the wall flat on the ground and you lay on it.
Get someone to run over you with a huge road roller a number of times and people will see your body start to take part in the make up of the wall.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1670 on: February 01, 2017, 02:19:28 AM »
How are you getting on providing a proper rebuttal to the cavendish experiment?
I don't need to provide a rebuttal. It's not even an experiment. It's a nothing thing.

It's like me hanging a brick from a shed roof and saying the string is proof that the shed roof is pulling up the brick.

It's just nonsense, so don't try and use it as if you're proving gravity when you have no clue what gravity is.
Absolute nonsense.

So you can't provide any rebuttal at all.

Can you explain why the weights are deflected towards each other?
Earth has a natural whirlpool action from the centre, outwards.
Everything is moving around you as matter.
It also moves hanging mass.

If you can now tell me what the gravitational force is that causes the mass to meet mass is, then fire away but don't just say "it just does" because that is not an answer, no matter how many of your peers you have stood beside you.

So why does the hanging mass not move until another mass is moved next it and always towards that mass no matter what side it is on? And why does the deflection increase when a larger mass is used?
Why does a feather move when you swipe your hand away from it?

It moves because you have created a flow of air. The cavendish experiment works when the weights are separated by glass, plastic etc thus removing any current of air.

Try again.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1671 on: February 01, 2017, 02:24:04 AM »
Can you explain why I can't walk through walls, there is no good reason for why I can't occupy the same space on the wall, don't say "I just can't" or say there is some magic force that causes matter to push other matter when they try to pass through each other.
You can occupy the same space, or be part of it. It just requires an expansion of your molecular make up.
Try this out.
 Lay the wall flat on the ground and you lay on it.
Get someone to run over you with a huge road roller a number of times and people will see your body start to take part in the make up of the wall.

Try this with a piece of playdoh on a sheet of metal. The playdoh will be flattened out considerably but it will still be quite separate from the metal.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1672 on: February 01, 2017, 02:30:33 AM »
It moves because you have created a flow of air. The cavendish experiment works when the weights are separated by glass, plastic etc thus removing any current of air.

Try again.
You're never going remove air. It's always going to have an effect.
Don't pretend the experiment has been done in a vacuum.

Matter is constantly expanding and compressing dependent on energy applied to the area of that matter.
Any object displacing that matter will be acted upon by it's own compressive displacement of it and also the friction created by that displacement, which now occupies the surrounding area and now becoming a more compressed part of energy applied to it. This creates a more energetic expansion which acts right back onto the objects in question.

This type of stuff works with pendulums. You know: stuff like Foucault's and such like.
The only different is forced motion by energy.




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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1673 on: February 01, 2017, 02:33:11 AM »
Can you explain why I can't walk through walls, there is no good reason for why I can't occupy the same space on the wall, don't say "I just can't" or say there is some magic force that causes matter to push other matter when they try to pass through each other.
You can occupy the same space, or be part of it. It just requires an expansion of your molecular make up.
Try this out.
 Lay the wall flat on the ground and you lay on it.
Get someone to run over you with a huge road roller a number of times and people will see your body start to take part in the make up of the wall.

Try this with a piece of playdoh on a sheet of metal. The playdoh will be flattened out considerably but it will still be quite separate from the metal.
Try using your brain.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1674 on: February 01, 2017, 02:51:22 AM »
Can you explain why I can't walk through walls, there is no good reason for why I can't occupy the same space on the wall, don't say "I just can't" or say there is some magic force that causes matter to push other matter when they try to pass through each other.
You can occupy the same space, or be part of it. It just requires an expansion of your molecular make up.
Try this out.
 Lay the wall flat on the ground and you lay on it.
Get someone to run over you with a huge road roller a number of times and people will see your body start to take part in the make up of the wall.

Try this with a piece of playdoh on a sheet of metal. The playdoh will be flattened out considerably but it will still be quite separate from the metal.
Try using your brain.

I have done. the play doh will not merge with the metal.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1675 on: February 01, 2017, 02:55:18 AM »
It moves because you have created a flow of air. The cavendish experiment works when the weights are separated by glass, plastic etc thus removing any current of air.

Try again.
You're never going remove air. It's always going to have an effect.
Don't pretend the experiment has been done in a vacuum.

Matter is constantly expanding and compressing dependent on energy applied to the area of that matter.
Any object displacing that matter will be acted upon by it's own compressive displacement of it and also the friction created by that displacement, which now occupies the surrounding area and now becoming a more compressed part of energy applied to it. This creates a more energetic expansion which acts right back onto the objects in question.

This type of stuff works with pendulums. You know: stuff like Foucault's and such like.
The only different is forced motion by energy.

I never mentioned a vacuum. I merely stated using a sheet of glass that would prevent air currents from moving the new mass. Again, you still can't explain why the small masses will always deflect towards the new larger masses and the displacement is always proportional to the mass.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1676 on: February 01, 2017, 03:20:59 AM »


I have done. the play doh will not merge with the metal.
Try using your brain.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1677 on: February 01, 2017, 03:29:59 AM »
It moves because you have created a flow of air. The cavendish experiment works when the weights are separated by glass, plastic etc thus removing any current of air.

Try again.
You're never going remove air. It's always going to have an effect.
Don't pretend the experiment has been done in a vacuum.

Matter is constantly expanding and compressing dependent on energy applied to the area of that matter.
Any object displacing that matter will be acted upon by it's own compressive displacement of it and also the friction created by that displacement, which now occupies the surrounding area and now becoming a more compressed part of energy applied to it. This creates a more energetic expansion which acts right back onto the objects in question.

This type of stuff works with pendulums. You know: stuff like Foucault's and such like.
The only different is forced motion by energy.

I never mentioned a vacuum. I merely stated using a sheet of glass that would prevent air currents from moving the new mass. Again, you still can't explain why the small masses will always deflect towards the new larger masses and the displacement is always proportional to the mass.
You know Einstein's supposed warped space time?
Well forget about the fictional vacuum of outer space and concentrate on what we perceive as a space.
Place a mass into it against another mass near to it and you warp that space with both masses.
Just one merest hint of molecular movement from the compression of these will cause a change in make up of atmosphere in that space, whether high or low pressure.

To make this much easier for you, Imagine you sitting in a bath looking sideways at yourself in a small mirror.
In gets fat belly Jones who displaces the bath water and also yourself in that bath water for that small amount of time. He created a change in the water movement.

It's always a knock on effect because EVERYTHING is attached with no real FREE space, anywhere.

If you weren't so backward you'd have a chance of understanding.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1678 on: February 01, 2017, 04:41:10 AM »
It moves because you have created a flow of air. The cavendish experiment works when the weights are separated by glass, plastic etc thus removing any current of air.

Try again.
You're never going remove air. It's always going to have an effect.
Don't pretend the experiment has been done in a vacuum.

Matter is constantly expanding and compressing dependent on energy applied to the area of that matter.
Any object displacing that matter will be acted upon by it's own compressive displacement of it and also the friction created by that displacement, which now occupies the surrounding area and now becoming a more compressed part of energy applied to it. This creates a more energetic expansion which acts right back onto the objects in question.

This type of stuff works with pendulums. You know: stuff like Foucault's and such like.
The only different is forced motion by energy.

I never mentioned a vacuum. I merely stated using a sheet of glass that would prevent air currents from moving the new mass. Again, you still can't explain why the small masses will always deflect towards the new larger masses and the displacement is always proportional to the mass.
You know Einstein's supposed warped space time?
Well forget about the fictional vacuum of outer space and concentrate on what we perceive as a space.
Place a mass into it against another mass near to it and you warp that space with both masses.
Just one merest hint of molecular movement from the compression of these will cause a change in make up of atmosphere in that space, whether high or low pressure.

To make this much easier for you, Imagine you sitting in a bath looking sideways at yourself in a small mirror.
In gets fat belly Jones who displaces the bath water and also yourself in that bath water for that small amount of time. He created a change in the water movement.

It's always a knock on effect because EVERYTHING is attached with no real FREE space, anywhere.

If you weren't so backward you'd have a chance of understanding.

Free space and vacuums have been experimentally proven. Sorry.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #1679 on: February 01, 2017, 04:52:18 AM »


Free space and vacuums have been experimentally proven. Sorry.
Then we have no further need for correspondence.
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