Air Pressure vs Gravity

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on January 21, 2017, 08:17:38 AM

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

The dishes are directed at a very specific point in the sky.  I don't believe ionospheric reflection is stable enough to carry the kind of data we are talking about.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 21, 2017, 08:20:41 AM

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on January 21, 2017, 08:17:38 AM

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

The dishes are directed at a very specific point in the sky.  I don't believe ionospheric reflection is stable enough to carry the kind of data we are talking about.

More stable than a space thingie in the presence of ridiculous amounts of radiation, an extreme +300 and -270 C temperature environment at the same time, without maintenance "hanging" in an impossible location that cannot exist anyway because the centre of the Earth is not the centre of gravity.

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

• The ionosphere does not reflect significant microwave signals. Numerous references for this!
  
  
• The ionosphere is not high enough
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  The ionosphere is a shell of electrons and electrically charged atoms and molecules that surrounds the Earth, stretching from a height of about 50 km (31 mi) to more than 1,000 km (620 mi). It owes its existence primarily to ultraviolet radiation from the Sun.

Quote from: inquisitive on January 21, 2017, 07:34:35 AM

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Quote from: rabinoz on January 21, 2017, 04:42:52 AM

We can and do calculate the gravitational attraction between a satellite and earth and between spacecraft and other planets.
You get around all this sort of thing by simply denying anything that you can't understand.

Satellites and other space thingies don't exist, only in Hollywood. They go against gravity anyway, so even theoretically make no sense.

They are not needed to understand the principle of huge masses attracting other objects. Meteors, meteorites and orbits of moons (Jupiter, Saturn, our own Moon) are enough.

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Have a nice day in Dreamland!

That would be Disney Dreamland for you, NASA shill. 

What transmits the signals I receive with my satellite dish?  The angle agrees with published calculated information for a geostationary object transmitting over a large area.

Ionospheric reflection has been used before the "invention" of "satellites".

Yes, but the frequency is very different!!1!!!!1!

Nothing easier than just have a converter installed to adjust the frequencies.

Non-real time "satellite" data is gathered using high-flying planes.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 21, 2017, 08:20:41 AM

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on January 21, 2017, 08:17:38 AM

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

The dishes are directed at a very specific point in the sky.  I don't believe ionospheric reflection is stable enough to carry the kind of data we are talking about.

More stable than a space thingie in the presence of ridiculous amounts of radiation, an extreme +300 and -270 C temperature environment at the same time, without maintenance "hanging" in an impossible location that cannot exist anyway because the centre of the Earth is not the centre of gravity.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 21, 2017, 08:20:41 AM

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on January 21, 2017, 08:17:38 AM

The dishes are directed to the sky, as that is where the signal appears to come from. Reflected by the ionosphere and sent by satellite towers all over the Earth.

The dishes are directed at a very specific point in the sky.  I don't believe ionospheric reflection is stable enough to carry the kind of data we are talking about.

More stable than a space thingie in the presence of ridiculous amounts of radiation, an extreme +300 and -270 C temperature environment at the same time, without maintenance "hanging" in an impossible location that cannot exist anyway because the centre of the Earth is not the centre of gravity.

Quote from: Boots on January 20, 2017, 04:34:59 AM

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 20, 2017, 04:11:33 AM

You are reliant on simply being told it and being told that the formulas are correct for it.

But that's my whole point. Your statement is completely false. I know this because I have personally verified that this formula gives the correct results.

Ok then tell me how the formula gives the correct results for gravity and how you're sure it's correct.

Because I have measured the distances with a rope and a tape measure.

So measuring things with a rope and tape measure shows us gravity, does it?
Poppycock.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 20, 2017, 05:18:27 AM

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 20, 2017, 04:29:47 AM

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 20, 2017, 04:11:33 AM

You are reliant on simply being told it and being told that the formulas are correct for it.

But that's my whole point. Your statement is completely false. I know this because I have personally verified that this formula gives the correct results.

Ok then tell me how the formula gives the correct results for gravity and how you're sure it's correct.

Because I have measured the distances with a rope and a tape measure.

So measuring things with a rope and tape measure shows us gravity, does it?
Poppycock.

I didn't have time to really respond to this post the other day.

Perhaps I am wrong but I sense a tone of mockery toward the simplicity of this method. Which kind of hurts, and leads me to believe that you are an impossible man to please. You mock and berate any theory/equation/method  that involves any amount of complexity whatsoever. You also berate the people who discovered these methods and anyone who believes in them. So I provide a nice simple equation that anyone can use, and a method of verification that can be done with tools from a lumber yard. If you aren't mocking us for complexity you're mocking us for being too simple.

Do you have wife? If so, here are some flowers for her:

For you...
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But you want proof of gravity...just jump out your third floor window.....ah sorry...you live in a basement!

Never mind, just jump off the top of your cage, but be careful climbing up?

Anyway, tell me about the rope and tape measure proof for gravity. That's all I was asking.

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 22, 2017, 11:38:25 PM

Anyway, tell me about the rope and tape measure proof for gravity. That's all I was asking.

Well it isn't a proof of gravity.

The equation does work as I have personally verified and you can too if you like.

That equation was derived from Newton's law of universal gravitation which was later advanced by Cavendish and others. This equation as well as the others can be used to accurately describe the real world. They are used to predict what will happen under specific circumstances and to calculate the necessary force/acceleration/support/etc. for countless applications. The fact that these equations work in the real world is the best evidence you are going to get. Unless...

Here is an idea for you. If you feel the need to know the root cause of gravitation so badly before you can believe in it, why don't you give up arguing with us about dens-pressure and go to work on figuring that out. If you discover the root cause of gravitation you will get into all the history books. It is a huge problem to solve but somebody needs to do it and I think maybe that should be you!

Whaddya think?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:27:36 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.

Yes, but those higher and lower pressures still don't affect how things fall or weigh.

Literally showing gravity at work - Cavendish Experiment

Quote from: Mainframes on January 23, 2017, 05:34:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:27:36 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.

Yes, but those higher and lower pressures still don't affect how things fall or weigh.

Literally showing gravity at work - Cavendish Experiment

Can you set up a Cavendish experiment and show it to work?
If so then explain it to me how you would go about it.

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:36:57 AM

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

And we've "more than explained" why density and pressure don't work like you think they do, but you can't (or won't) accept it.

Quote from: markjo on January 23, 2017, 06:17:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:36:57 AM

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

And we've "more than explained" why density and pressure don't work like you think they do, but you can't (or won't) accept it.

You've told me it doesn't work like I believe it does. You certainly haven't shown me.
And also you've never explained what gravity is, except to say it just is.

Quote from: markjo on January 23, 2017, 06:17:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:36:57 AM

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

And we've "more than explained" why density and pressure don't work like you think they do, but you can't (or won't) accept it.

You've told me it doesn't work like I believe it does. You certainly haven't shown me.
And also you've never explained what gravity is, except to say it just is.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 10:04:22 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 23, 2017, 06:17:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:36:57 AM

As for my denpressure. I've more than explained it but you can't (or won't) understand it.

And we've "more than explained" why density and pressure don't work like you think they do, but you can't (or won't) accept it.

You've told me it doesn't work like I believe it does. You certainly haven't shown me.
And also you've never explained what gravity is, except to say it just is.

You never explained magnetism other than to say it just is, am I wrong?

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.
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I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.

No you can't. You can't compress anything. Where is your demonstration, video or any other evidence. The only thing you can produce lots off is hot air.

Quote from: IonSpen on January 20, 2017, 02:12:47 PM

Which brings up an interesting point. Scepti, how does denpressure explain magnetism? Could you answer this with clear, simple terms?

Magnetism is no different to how everything works. It's high versus low pressure.
the window clamp can give you a very good idea of how magnetism works. It's simply displaced atmosphere by an object.
As far as magnetism is concerned, it's trapped atmosphere within the structure of the object.

There's a reason why you can gain or lose magnetism due to heat or cold or actually hitting an object hard enough to release trapped atmosphere.

We live in an atmospheric whirlpool that is strongest at the centre and gradually weaker as it spans out in the circle of Earth.

What?
What are you going to do now, go into ridicule mode?
If you do, then explain what magnetism is from your own nut if you think you're clever.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 23, 2017, 05:27:36 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.

No you can't. You can't compress anything. Where is your demonstration, video or any other evidence. The only thing you can produce lots off is hot air.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 20, 2017, 03:15:46 PM

Quote from: IonSpen on January 20, 2017, 02:12:47 PM

Which brings up an interesting point. Scepti, how does denpressure explain magnetism? Could you answer this with clear, simple terms?

Magnetism is no different to how everything works. It's high versus low pressure.
the window clamp can give you a very good idea of how magnetism works. It's simply displaced atmosphere by an object.
As far as magnetism is concerned, it's trapped atmosphere within the structure of the object.

There's a reason why you can gain or lose magnetism due to heat or cold or actually hitting an object hard enough to release trapped atmosphere.

We live in an atmospheric whirlpool that is strongest at the centre and gradually weaker as it spans out in the circle of Earth.

What?
What are you going to do now, go into ridicule mode?
If you do, then explain what magnetism is from your own nut if you think you're clever.

This is you saying "it just is", nothing more. No evidence, proof, or anything else. Magnetism is trapped atmosphere. OK. How does it work? How does one side repel, yet the other attracts? And what about electromagnets, which rely on electrical current? How is this "trapped atmosphere"?

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 AM

As you've been told already, it's the force that attracts mass to other mass. Like the atmosphere you can't see it but you can measure its effects. You can measure it reliably and very well. Its existence is only disputed by...erm...you.

I can compress atmosphere to create higher and lower pressures that fit perfectly with the world we live in.
What can you do with gravity to show gravity working?

Before you come in and say things like, "drop a ball/object" or "mass attracts mass", try and show how it happens that literally shows gravity at work.