Air Pressure vs Gravity

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #570 on: January 04, 2017, 11:25:07 PM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.

You mean one that agrees with your preconceptions as opposed to the one the real world uses that works just fine?

So, if I happen to find myself jumping out of a plane, and if the only thing that stops me floating off the ground is the air, why doesn't the air stop me falling?
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #571 on: January 04, 2017, 11:40:47 PM »
You mean one that agrees with your preconceptions as opposed to the one the real world uses that works just fine?

So, if I happen to find myself jumping out of a plane, and if the only thing that stops me floating off the ground is the air, why doesn't the air stop me falling?
Because your body displaces it and is denser than the air under you aided by the atmosphere above you.


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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #572 on: January 05, 2017, 01:26:48 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #573 on: January 05, 2017, 02:15:02 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #574 on: January 05, 2017, 02:39:37 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #575 on: January 05, 2017, 02:42:42 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?
I can't do it accurately. There's no way of getting a constant because there's always a resistance to ALL objects in all manners of mass/density/area.

So I'll ask you once again.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #576 on: January 05, 2017, 02:49:09 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?
I can't do it accurately. There's no way of getting a constant because there's always a resistance to ALL objects in all manners of mass/density/area.

So I'll ask you once again.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
A rough method is OK.

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-5/How-Fast-and-How-Far

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #577 on: January 05, 2017, 03:24:33 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?
I can't do it accurately. There's no way of getting a constant because there's always a resistance to ALL objects in all manners of mass/density/area.

So I'll ask you once again.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
A rough method is OK.

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-5/How-Fast-and-How-Far
Nah, a rough method isn't ok.
Your method is a lie and cannot be proved otherwise. You and everyone else know this.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #578 on: January 05, 2017, 03:24:40 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?
I can't do it accurately. There's no way of getting a constant because there's always a resistance to ALL objects in all manners of mass/density/area.

So I'll ask you once again.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.

F=ma

You'll need to substitute in variables for gravitational force and air resistance depending on the objects size, shape and density and the atmospheric density but I'll sure you'll manage.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #579 on: January 05, 2017, 04:37:12 AM »
Nah, a rough method isn't ok.
Your method is a lie and cannot be proved otherwise. You and everyone else know this.

Try jumping out of a plane with a stopwatch, see how that pans out then.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #580 on: January 05, 2017, 05:08:47 AM »

The current model of the Universe produces precisely predictable events. How does yours predict eclipses?
So tell me how your globe and all it's sync orbits every day of the year manage to spawn sporadic eclipses?
What changes Earth or the moon or the sun to actually effect the sporadic eclipses.
You people know exactly what I'm talking about but can't seem to answer.
Why are you so reluctant to look up the questions you ask and quote the links? 

You continually use the words 'you' and 'your' to distance yourself from the world we live in - strange.

Do you have the formula to calculate speed of fall?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
The one that is proven is well known, clearly you do not have your version.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
You are the one not happy with the one we use, what is yours?

What is your formula for calculating the period of a pendulum swing based on its length?
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
Please explain.  How would you calculate rate of fall?
I can't do it accurately. There's no way of getting a constant because there's always a resistance to ALL objects in all manners of mass/density/area.

So I'll ask you once again.
Do you have a formula for speed of fall? A real formula I mean.
A rough method is OK.

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-5/How-Fast-and-How-Far
Nah, a rough method isn't ok.
Your method is a lie and cannot be proved otherwise. You and everyone else know this.
Drop something from a height of 3m.  How long to reach the ground?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #581 on: January 05, 2017, 05:29:08 AM »
You mean one that agrees with your preconceptions as opposed to the one the real world uses that works just fine?

So, if I happen to find myself jumping out of a plane, and if the only thing that stops me floating off the ground is the air, why doesn't the air stop me falling?
Because your body displaces it and is denser than the air under you aided by the atmosphere above you.

Hmm...so the column of air I stand under, which is by any definition you like less dense than me is somehow dense enough to keep me on the ground, but when it is underneath me it is not dense enough to keep me in the sky?
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #582 on: January 05, 2017, 05:30:25 AM »
You mean one that agrees with your preconceptions as opposed to the one the real world uses that works just fine?

So, if I happen to find myself jumping out of a plane, and if the only thing that stops me floating off the ground is the air, why doesn't the air stop me falling?
Because your body displaces it and is denser than the air under you aided by the atmosphere above you.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #583 on: January 05, 2017, 06:16:22 AM »
As for weight.
The weight of an object is determined by how much atmosphere it displaces whilst pushing from a solid surface that can measure a man made reading known as a weight.
What happens to an object's weight when you remove the atmosphere?
There is no weight measurement if there is no atmosphere.
Have you verified that prediction with an experiment?
How can I?
Tell me where there is a real place to go where there is no atmosphere, so you can check out whether something registers a weight measurement on a scale plate?
Have you ever heard of a vacuum chamber?
No.
Well, for someone with such strong opinions on atmospheric pressure, you should really look into it. 
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=diy+vacuum+chamber

And for someone who refuses to take anyone's word for anything, I would strongly encourage you to perform some real world experiments to verify your claims about denpressure..
Do you know what a vacuum is?
Yes.  Do you?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?

Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #584 on: January 05, 2017, 06:49:59 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
Nothing.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #585 on: January 05, 2017, 07:02:17 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
Nothing.

So why does that top molecule push down on the next molecule in the stack?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #586 on: January 05, 2017, 07:54:13 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
Nothing.

So why does that top molecule push down on the next molecule in the stack?
It doesn't.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #587 on: January 05, 2017, 07:58:25 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Nope to which part?

What I'm trying to figure out is the direct relationship between air pressure and weight.  How much would a 1 pound mass weigh under 15 psi of air pressure and how much would that same 1 pound mass weigh under .001 psi of air pressure?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
Nothing.

So why does that top molecule push down on the next molecule in the stack?
It doesn't.
If the top molecule doesn't push down on the one below it, then what keeps it on top of the stack and why would any molecule in the stack push any other molecule down?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #588 on: January 05, 2017, 08:02:07 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that air pressure is what pushes things down giving them weight.  Are you saying that .001 psi of air pressure pushes things down just as hard as 15 psi of air pressure?
Nope. Why would you even bother to say this?
Also, if all of the air molecules in your stack are being pushed down, then what's pushing the very top air molecule down?
Nothing.

So why does that top molecule push down on the next molecule in the stack?
It doesn't.

If the top molecule doesn't push down on the one below then none of the stack will. Therefore no push down due to air pressure.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #589 on: January 05, 2017, 08:10:30 AM »
Please, try me. I understand your point of view of the air pressure equalizing, believe me. I'm just asking as many questions as possible, and trying to view it from every angle. Is that not in fact the same thing you do yourself? Look at something from every possible view? You continue to try and spin it back around on me on how gravity works, but that's not interesting at all. I'm curious as to YOUR theory. I'm not the one sidestepping, not in the least. You want gravity explained, there's a 100 other posters ready to give you an explanation. I'm not deflecting, I'm trying to learn your model but you keep brushing me off like I'm not smart enough, or can't think critically or whatever. If I had a better theory than gravity I'd be shouting it as loud as I can, but I don't. So until something better comes along, then that's what I'll go with. The lack of experimental evidence of denspressure isn't swaying me, I'm just being honest. I've seen absolutely nothing other than your descriptions. Some pics or diagrams would greatly help, ya know. If you're so sure about how our sun operates, and how solar eclipses work, why not just describe it? I'm seriously trying my hardest to learn your model. Do you see me calling you stupid, or calling you names, or telling you you're an idiot or all that? No. I'm not. I'm genuinely trying to learn your model, but you keep trying to spin it back around on me when you already know what my answer would be. Maybe, just maybe I might learn something from you.
What good is it to have knowledge of something if you can't share it? What purpose does it then serve? Either you're being serious and truly believe all this, or you're just doing it for kicks and trolling us all. Sometimes the way you post I cannot tell which.
Don't worry about whether my posts are trolling or not. Decide which and go with that.
I'm not interested which way you go. To me, you're a person that refuses to try to see past the mainstream indoctrination of the people.
DUDE! Don't you see that I'm trying to learn your model? Piss on the mainstream garbage, push all that aside for now and pretend it doesn't exist. Explain to me your model, the sun, eclipses, all of it. I cannot express any more clearly how genuinely interested I am in learning it. I'm trying to be serious here. PM me if you prefer, I'm not gonna ridicule you, and I've proven that here lately. I may  not agree, but that's because  I don't understand your model. And how can I with your 2 or 3 line vague answers you give, or spend most of your time telling me I can't handle it or I'm indoctrinated or whatever. I keep asking questions but you keep being vague and I just don't get that. If you spend the the time to reply to my posts, why not answer my questions? What is it your afraid of, ridicule? There's tons of others for that. I am really trying here, trying to understand.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #590 on: January 05, 2017, 08:19:27 AM »
What I'm trying to figure out is the direct relationship between air pressure and weight.  How much would a 1 pound mass weigh under 15 psi of air pressure and how much would that same 1 pound mass weigh under .001 psi of air pressure?
The relationship between air pressure and weight is solely based on displacing atmosphere using  a dense mass pushing into it and seeing the resistant reading of that push on a man made scale plate.




Also,
If the top molecule doesn't push down on the one below it, then what keeps it on top of the stack and why would any molecule in the stack push any other molecule down?
Natural end of stacking keeps it on top. It's dormant and frozen. It's the skin of the dome.
Outside of that dome is a (best guess) true vacuum as far as we know, which contains nothing to push against and nothing to push back against the last molecules, which means they do not vibrate/agitate/compress against the vacuum.
The molecules directly below that can push off the underside of it but this would be so mild as to not actually show anything....again, as far as we can perceive it.
The further down they go in that stack, the more resistant force is required to push against each push of above matter.

As you can imagine, the compression of molecules at ground level are under immense compression from all the above.


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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #591 on: January 05, 2017, 08:22:38 AM »
If the top molecule doesn't push down on the one below then none of the stack will. Therefore no push down due to air pressure.
Read my reply to markjo.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #592 on: January 05, 2017, 08:28:53 AM »
Please, try me. I understand your point of view of the air pressure equalizing, believe me. I'm just asking as many questions as possible, and trying to view it from every angle. Is that not in fact the same thing you do yourself? Look at something from every possible view? You continue to try and spin it back around on me on how gravity works, but that's not interesting at all. I'm curious as to YOUR theory. I'm not the one sidestepping, not in the least. You want gravity explained, there's a 100 other posters ready to give you an explanation. I'm not deflecting, I'm trying to learn your model but you keep brushing me off like I'm not smart enough, or can't think critically or whatever. If I had a better theory than gravity I'd be shouting it as loud as I can, but I don't. So until something better comes along, then that's what I'll go with. The lack of experimental evidence of denspressure isn't swaying me, I'm just being honest. I've seen absolutely nothing other than your descriptions. Some pics or diagrams would greatly help, ya know. If you're so sure about how our sun operates, and how solar eclipses work, why not just describe it? I'm seriously trying my hardest to learn your model. Do you see me calling you stupid, or calling you names, or telling you you're an idiot or all that? No. I'm not. I'm genuinely trying to learn your model, but you keep trying to spin it back around on me when you already know what my answer would be. Maybe, just maybe I might learn something from you.
What good is it to have knowledge of something if you can't share it? What purpose does it then serve? Either you're being serious and truly believe all this, or you're just doing it for kicks and trolling us all. Sometimes the way you post I cannot tell which.
Don't worry about whether my posts are trolling or not. Decide which and go with that.
I'm not interested which way you go. To me, you're a person that refuses to try to see past the mainstream indoctrination of the people.
DUDE! Don't you see that I'm trying to learn your model? Piss on the mainstream garbage, push all that aside for now and pretend it doesn't exist. Explain to me your model, the sun, eclipses, all of it. I cannot express any more clearly how genuinely interested I am in learning it. I'm trying to be serious here. PM me if you prefer, I'm not gonna ridicule you, and I've proven that here lately. I may  not agree, but that's because  I don't understand your model. And how can I with your 2 or 3 line vague answers you give, or spend most of your time telling me I can't handle it or I'm indoctrinated or whatever. I keep asking questions but you keep being vague and I just don't get that. If you spend the the time to reply to my posts, why not answer my questions? What is it your afraid of, ridicule? There's tons of others for that. I am really trying here, trying to understand.
If I was worried about ridicule I'd have been gone a long time ago.
The trouble is, you people are 10 a penny with your "oh I really want to know this alternate model" routine.
I suppose your thoughts are, if you get me to type lengthy explanations out and then sit there and say, "ermmmm, nahhh, I don't get it so it's crap."

I know, I know...you're different than those monsters, right?  ;D

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #593 on: January 05, 2017, 08:47:07 AM »
Whatever dude. I'm not trying with you anymore. You're too afraid to even try and describe how the sun works, much less a solar eclipse - in detail. Honestly if you're not gonna post your thoughts, I don't even know why you're here. You have zero experimental data, no diagrams, no pictures, no nothing at all. Zilch. Through my brainwashed indoctrinated mind I've come to the conclusion you are an absolute fraud. There MIGHT be 2 other posters who disagree with me (probably alts). You have proven nothing to no one, and yet still keep posting. I don't understand why. Unless you just like the attention.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #594 on: January 05, 2017, 09:10:38 AM »
Whatever dude. I'm not trying with you anymore. You're too afraid to even try and describe how the sun works, much less a solar eclipse - in detail. Honestly if you're not gonna post your thoughts, I don't even know why you're here. You have zero experimental data, no diagrams, no pictures, no nothing at all. Zilch. Through my brainwashed indoctrinated mind I've come to the conclusion you are an absolute fraud. There MIGHT be 2 other posters who disagree with me (probably alts). You have proven nothing to no one, and yet still keep posting. I don't understand why. Unless you just like the attention.
Nobody has proven anything to anyone on here.
The silly part is, none of you people have proved anything and you lot are armed with every mainstream Earth info known to the internet and world libraries, etc.

You people sit and harp on about gravity and what not and cannot even explain it, except to use old time names like Newton, as though it validates the very same thing that you still cannot explain.

The key to what I say is this...
It's up to each individual to either look at it and take something from it so they can logically see how it COULD all fit and maybe add to it with their own thoughts..
OR
Dismiss it out of hand in favour of their own model.
OR Spend as much time as necessary pretending to try and understand it before going into attempted ridicule mode.

I wonder which one you are?  ::) :P

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #595 on: January 05, 2017, 09:26:09 AM »
Whatever dude. I'm not trying with you anymore. You're too afraid to even try and describe how the sun works, much less a solar eclipse - in detail. Honestly if you're not gonna post your thoughts, I don't even know why you're here. You have zero experimental data, no diagrams, no pictures, no nothing at all. Zilch. Through my brainwashed indoctrinated mind I've come to the conclusion you are an absolute fraud. There MIGHT be 2 other posters who disagree with me (probably alts). You have proven nothing to no one, and yet still keep posting. I don't understand why. Unless you just like the attention.
Nobody has proven anything to anyone on here.
The silly part is, none of you people have proved anything and you lot are armed with every mainstream Earth info known to the internet and world libraries, etc.

You people sit and harp on about gravity and what not and cannot even explain it, except to use old time names like Newton, as though it validates the very same thing that you still cannot explain.

The key to what I say is this...
It's up to each individual to either look at it and take something from it so they can logically see how it COULD all fit and maybe add to it with their own thoughts..
OR
Dismiss it out of hand in favour of their own model.
OR Spend as much time as necessary pretending to try and understand it before going into attempted ridicule mode.

I wonder which one you are?  ::) :P
Look elsewhere for an explanation, give the links here and why they are wrong.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #596 on: January 05, 2017, 09:59:20 AM »
What I'm trying to figure out is the direct relationship between air pressure and weight.  How much would a 1 pound mass weigh under 15 psi of air pressure and how much would that same 1 pound mass weigh under .001 psi of air pressure?
The relationship between air pressure and weight is solely based on displacing atmosphere using  a dense mass pushing into it and seeing the resistant reading of that push on a man made scale plate.
Can you put that in the form of an equation so that your "theory" can be experimentally tested?

Also,
If the top molecule doesn't push down on the one below it, then what keeps it on top of the stack and why would any molecule in the stack push any other molecule down?
Natural end of stacking keeps it on top. It's dormant and frozen. It's the skin of the dome.
Outside of that dome is a (best guess) true vacuum as far as we know, which contains nothing to push against and nothing to push back against the last molecules, which means they do not vibrate/agitate/compress against the vacuum.
So what's to keep those outer molecules from just floating away into the vacuum of space?

The molecules directly below that can push off the underside of it but this would be so mild as to not actually show anything....again, as far as we can perceive it.
But where is that push coming from?

The further down they go in that stack, the more resistant force is required to push against each push of above matter.
What's pushing the above matter down?

As you can imagine, the compression of molecules at ground level are under immense compression from all the above.
Your imagination must be better than mine, because I can't imagine where that push from the very top is coming from.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #597 on: January 05, 2017, 01:02:19 PM »
Can you put that in the form of an equation so that your "theory" can be experimentally tested?
Nothing as a constant.

So what's to keep those outer molecules from just floating away into the vacuum of space?
There is no space. Just a vacuum.
Above the dome is NOTHING. It's a non-existence of matter in any form that we know of.
Basically it's a blackness to how we perceive blackness to be. The absence of anything.
The dome is the end of the matter, literally. It's our cell in a vacuum.

But where is that push coming from?
Resistance of each molecule in the stack.
Think of Samson and the pillars. He can't push one pillar away without using the resistance of the other.
If you can't grasp this then just go about your business.

What's pushing the above matter down?
As above.

Your imagination must be better than mine, because I can't imagine where that push from the very top is coming from.
There's no push from the very top, as I've already told you.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #598 on: January 05, 2017, 01:48:17 PM »
Your imagination must be better than mine, because I can't imagine where that push from the very top is coming from.
There's no push from the very top, as I've already told you.

As markjo and numerous others have asked. If "There's no push from the very top" where can the downward push ever come from.

Just before that you said
Resistance of each molecule in the stack.
Think of Samson and the pillars. He can't push one pillar away without using the resistance of the other.
A molecule can't generate "resistance" without something above to push on "Think of Samson and the pillars."

So what does the top molecule push against. You said "There's no push from the very top".
Then by extension there's can be no push from the second top, and so on down till we reach the earth.

Unless something in the earth is pulling each of these molecule's down.

So, just where does the push on the very very top come from?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #599 on: January 05, 2017, 04:58:55 PM »

As Earth solid decay it creates gases, basically.
As those gases expand and push against the more dense matter they are in, they are squeezed back and are pushed UP and OUT by force of numbers of molecules of less expanded matter.


As Earth solid decay ? Really? How are the earth solids replenished?
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