Air Pressure vs Gravity

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But more importantly, why aren't you saying this to Scepti? He's the one saying the dome is made of liquid and solid hydrogen & helium. Just because you state something doesn't make it true.

Quote from: IonSpen on December 20, 2016, 04:57:02 PM

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But more importantly, why aren't you saying this to Scepti? He's the one saying the dome is made of liquid and solid hydrogen & helium. Just because you state something doesn't make it true.

Y'know, maybe if there werent certain people on here spamming threads with how dumb flat earthers are and constantly bitching and moaning about every detail as the theory is developed, we flat earthers might have a more open and free forum to discuss amongst ourselves. I mean look at the last post by markjo... "Gravity is why things have weight" well durrrrrr hurrrr hurrrrr thanks for the new idea!

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Nobody has legitimately tested it out and that speaks volumes to me.
I call on any legitimate flat Earth theorist or any alternate Earth theorist or even just a global questioner to do some tests in a decent evacuation chamber.

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 10:20:37 AM

I strongly urge you to perform this trivially simple experiment yourself to see if real world observations agree or disagree with your "theory".

I've already done it and I'll wait till others do it as well to see what comes up for them. It should be interesting if nothing else for you globalists...well, at least the genuine one's that are only following mass opinion and are potentially open to possible change.

Nobody has legitimately tested it out and that speaks volumes to me.

Your dome cannot exist of hydrogen and helium liquid or even solid, due to the lack of needing to be being pressurized, and the extreme cold being necessary.

So how do you get this stacking effect without some external force?  And why does pressure push down, instead of equally in all directions?  That's exactly what happens in those examples you gave, like balloons and beach balls, or soda bottles etc.
And why is my weight not like 25% less, or more, when I am on a mountain than it is when I am at sea level.  That's about how much less air pressure there is?

Gravity is why things have weight.  Knowing how much things weigh is pretty important to engineers.

They use gravity (as well as other forms of acceleration) to determine how much things weigh.

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

Why can't you do it yourself?  You could probably rig up a quick and dirty vacuum chamber with a mason jar and a vacuum sealer.  Not the highest quality vacuum, but it should be more than enough to test your "theory".

You did?  When?  Where are the results?

Quote from: IonSpen on December 20, 2016, 04:57:02 PM

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But more importantly, why aren't you saying this to Scepti? He's the one saying the dome is made of liquid and solid hydrogen & helium. Just because you state something doesn't make it true.

Y'know, maybe if there werent certain people on here spamming threads with how dumb flat earthers are and constantly bitching and moaning about every detail as the theory is developed, we flat earthers might have a more open and free forum to discuss amongst ourselves. I mean look at the last post by markjo... "Gravity is why things have weight" well durrrrrr hurrrr hurrrrr thanks for the new idea!

That still doesn't answer why you'd question me and my statement (of fact) and not Scepti's statement (not fact).

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Quote from: IonSpen on December 20, 2016, 04:57:02 PM

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But more importantly, why aren't you saying this to Scepti? He's the one saying the dome is made of liquid and solid hydrogen & helium. Just because you state something doesn't make it true.

Y'know, maybe if there werent certain people on here spamming threads with how dumb flat earthers are and constantly bitching and moaning about every detail as the theory is developed, we flat earthers might have a more open and free forum to discuss amongst ourselves. I mean look at the last post by markjo... "Gravity is why things have weight" well durrrrrr hurrrr hurrrrr thanks for the new idea!

But this thread is literally about whether gravity or air pressure is responsible for things having weight.

I think I've nutted out this denspressure thing and have a full and complete understanding of it. The problem is, it belongs in a completely different universe to the one in which the rest of us inhabit. In the scepti-universe there are no planets, no space and a big dome over the earth. See, denspressure works perfectly as an explanation if you concede that scepti comes from and exists in a parallel universe that is nothing like ours.

Or he could just be completely nuts.

But at least I provided options for you all to choose from.

Scepti - do you agree that air pressure decreases with height?

Quote from: Mainframes on December 20, 2016, 11:49:40 PM

Scepti - do you agree that air pressure decreases with height?

Absolutely.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:51:39 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on December 20, 2016, 11:49:40 PM

Scepti - do you agree that air pressure decreases with height?

Absolutely.

Therefore do you also agree that the air pressure at the bottom of an object is higher than at the top of an object?

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 20, 2016, 04:33:01 PM

So how do you get this stacking effect without some external force?  And why does pressure push down, instead of equally in all directions?  That's exactly what happens in those examples you gave, like balloons and beach balls, or soda bottles etc.
And why is my weight not like 25% less, or more, when I am on a mountain than it is when I am at sea level.  That's about how much less air pressure there is?

Are you a automated bot or something because all this has been explained. If you aren't a bot then try and read some stuff if you are even remotely interested in understanding.
If not then stop coming back with the same question.

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 05:48:19 PM

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

That's something you can only guess at but you certainly haven't bothered to debunk what I'm saying. Normally you people are hell bent on showing stuff to debunk, even if it's bringing up stuff that is dishonest.
All it needs is a legitimate person to follow my instructions to the letter and who owns a decent evacuation chamber and able to gather a few objects that are easily available and cheap, unless already owned.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 10:55:08 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 20, 2016, 04:33:01 PM

So how do you get this stacking effect without some external force?  And why does pressure push down, instead of equally in all directions?  That's exactly what happens in those examples you gave, like balloons and beach balls, or soda bottles etc.
And why is my weight not like 25% less, or more, when I am on a mountain than it is when I am at sea level.  That's about how much less air pressure there is?

Are you a automated bot or something because all this has been explained. If you aren't a bot then try and read some stuff if you are even remotely interested in understanding.
If not then stop coming back with the same question.

I come back with the same questions because they haven't been answered.  None of it has really been explained.  You have yet to explain how stacking can take place without some external force.  Simply being in a pressurized dome doesn't explain it, the pressure would equalize.  Your example of a cork floating doesn't work as that relies on an external force pulling everything downward.
You say we don't notice the weight differences at different altitudes because we acclimatize to but that doesn't work because the difference would be to great not to notice.  And in the case of flying between such places there is no time to acclimatize.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:10:33 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 05:48:19 PM

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

That's something you can only guess at but you certainly haven't bothered to debunk what I'm saying. Normally you people are hell bent on showing stuff to debunk, even if it's bringing up stuff that is dishonest.
All it needs is a legitimate person to follow my instructions to the letter and who owns a decent evacuation chamber and able to gather a few objects that are easily available and cheap, unless already owned.

Denpressure is your theory, therefore the burden of proof is on your to show that it's correct.  It isn't our job to do your research for you.  Wake me up when you have some experimental results to share.

Quote from: markjo on December 21, 2016, 06:23:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:10:33 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 05:48:19 PM

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

That's something you can only guess at but you certainly haven't bothered to debunk what I'm saying. Normally you people are hell bent on showing stuff to debunk, even if it's bringing up stuff that is dishonest.
All it needs is a legitimate person to follow my instructions to the letter and who owns a decent evacuation chamber and able to gather a few objects that are easily available and cheap, unless already owned.

Denpressure is your theory, therefore the burden of proof is on your to show that it's correct.  It isn't our job to do your research for you.  Wake me up when you have some experimental results to share.

Stay asleep, you're not needed.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 21, 2016, 06:24:52 AM

Quote from: markjo on December 21, 2016, 06:23:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:10:33 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 05:48:19 PM

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

That's something you can only guess at but you certainly haven't bothered to debunk what I'm saying. Normally you people are hell bent on showing stuff to debunk, even if it's bringing up stuff that is dishonest.
All it needs is a legitimate person to follow my instructions to the letter and who owns a decent evacuation chamber and able to gather a few objects that are easily available and cheap, unless already owned.

Denpressure is your theory, therefore the burden of proof is on your to show that it's correct.  It isn't our job to do your research for you.  Wake me up when you have some experimental results to share.

Stay asleep, you're not needed.

So you admit that you have no experimental evidence to support denpressure.  Good to know.

Quote from: markjo on December 21, 2016, 06:32:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 21, 2016, 06:24:52 AM

Quote from: markjo on December 21, 2016, 06:23:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:10:33 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 20, 2016, 05:48:19 PM

Yes, the fact that you are one of those who never tested it speaks volumes to me too.

That's something you can only guess at but you certainly haven't bothered to debunk what I'm saying. Normally you people are hell bent on showing stuff to debunk, even if it's bringing up stuff that is dishonest.
All it needs is a legitimate person to follow my instructions to the letter and who owns a decent evacuation chamber and able to gather a few objects that are easily available and cheap, unless already owned.

Denpressure is your theory, therefore the burden of proof is on your to show that it's correct.  It isn't our job to do your research for you.  Wake me up when you have some experimental results to share.

Stay asleep, you're not needed.

So you admit that you have no experimental evidence to support denpressure.  Good to know.

I'm still waiting for you to show me how engineers use gravity like you told me.

Gravity and magnetic methods, which are discussed in this article, are extremely useful in both mineral and oil exploration.

Well, some engineers measure subtle changes in gravity to look for natural resources:

Quote from: http://csegrecorder.com/articles/view/magnetic-and-gravity-methods-in-mineral-exploration

Gravity and magnetic methods, which are discussed in this article, are extremely useful in both mineral and oil exploration.

Now where are your denpressure experiment results?

Quote from: IonSpen on December 20, 2016, 06:21:37 PM

That still doesn't answer why you'd question me and my statement (of fact) and not Scepti's statement (not fact).

You're not stating any fact. You're parroting indoctrinated garbage.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:14:14 PM

Quote from: IonSpen on December 20, 2016, 06:21:37 PM

That still doesn't answer why you'd question me and my statement (of fact) and not Scepti's statement (not fact).

You're not stating any fact. You're parroting indoctrinated garbage.

How is stating its a fact "parroting indoctrinated garbage"? Hydrogen must be extremely cold and pressurized to exist in its liquid state is basic 6th grade science. It's provable, without question..
Your dome consisting of frozen/superfluid hydrogen & helium on the other hand is not provable whatsoever. And you say I'm the one parroting indoctrinated garbage?

Scepti, your theory seems to contradict itself. You make these two claims:

1) The Dome expands and contracts due to changes in atmospheric pressure/temperature


2) all natural light in the Earth cell comes from the central sun, a graphite arc lamp located in the center of the Flat Earth disc/orange juicer

Have you ever reflected light off of a moving surface? The image is distorted like in a fun house mirror.

Why don't we see the heavens warp and shift as the dome "breathes"?

Have you ever looked at the sun through an atmosphere on the horizontal?

It's warped, right?
It's like a sea of agitation.
It's like looking at a long road on hot weather.

However, when you look UP you are looking into less agitated molecules because of less of them due to expansion and the actual way the dome curves inwards as you get higher, right?

So now we're like reflecting off of a super fluid. A calm stream in some places and a solid in other's depending on where the energy of the central Earth sun reflection if moving over.

Do you see water rise by looking at its centre?....NO.
Do you see water rise at the edge?....yes.

If you are talking about sunset or sunrise, I know exactly what you mean

You lost me with this run-on sentence. Why are the molecules at the top of the dome less agitated? Are they not receiving the same energy than the particles at the sides of the dome?

Wouldn't the reflection be different if the light is reflecting off of a fluid versus a solid? Look at a lake reflecting sunlight in summer versus winter. The reflection is completely different.

When I fill a glass of water to the brim, I see water rise in the center due to surface tension. I honestly don't know what you're on about in this section of your post.