How does a Full Moon appear Full for everyone?

Before I start, when I say "for everyone", I do mean for all those over the half of the earth that can see the moon.

We are told

The Phases of the Moon
When one observes the phases of the moon he sees the moon's day and night, a shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

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When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

From: The Phases of the Moon
The diagram below shows how I picture the geometry(some diagrams in the Wiki might help) of the earth, sun and moon at the time of a full moon. I have not drawn the moon above the sun, as at the time of a full moon the moon would be around 20,000 km from the sun, so a few hundreds of kilometres could hardly make a difference! If the moon were much higher it would appear much smaller at the time of a full moon - and it certainly does not.
In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or else they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!.
Observers directly underneath are looking straight up and clearly see only half the side facing them illuminated, so they see only a HALF MOON, not a Full Moon.

The observers, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising (or vice versa), see most of the part of the moon facing them as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different countries, and not as appears here

Obviously, there is an invisible force pulling on the moonlight causing the moon to appear the same for everyone. Just think "outside the box" for a bit, you will get your answer.

Nice diagram. For the same reason, Flat Earth can't explain how everybody always see the same face of the Moon.

If it was small enough that you could pinpoint its location on a map, like between 2 different countries, some people should see the back of what others see...

I thought the light of the moon came from moonshrimp not reflection from the sun.

I think the FErs will try to answer that with the dome "theory"...

First of all your assuming the moon is a sphere.  It would be logical, but still an assumption.  For nobody has seen the other side of the moon.  Graphics placed on a flat disc could make it appear to be a sphere.  If the moon is not a sphere, it does have such features that make it appear to be one. 

First of all your assuming the moon is a sphere.  It would be logical, but still an assumption.  For nobody has seen the other side of the moon.  Graphics placed on a flat disc could make it appear to be a sphere.  If the moon is not a sphere, it does have such features that make it appear to be one.

OK, please do a sketch showing what you mean and how everyone can see the disk looking round and full.

Thanks in advance!

Please explain where I am mistaken, because this is how I interpret what is said in the Wiki.

Why are you asking here?  You should be asking globalists. 




Regardless, " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the reflective dome obviously acts like a dual-set of parabolic mirrors. 

First of all your assuming the moon is a sphere.  It would be logical, but still an assumption.  For nobody has seen the other side of the moon.  Graphics placed on a flat disc could make it appear to be a sphere.  If the moon is not a sphere, it does have such features that make it appear to be one.

Say, are you the same guy from political forum because I'm Maccabee there and I saw the same name. If so hiya!

Quote from: rabinoz on May 26, 2016, 05:29:22 AM

Please explain where I am mistaken, because this is how I interpret what is said in the Wiki.

Why are you asking here?  You should be asking globalists. 

What I am asking is how you Flat Earthers explain the fact that people over half the earth can see the moon full, round and the same size.

Looks like you don't know how even your flat-earth model works. You go and read the explanation in "the Wiki" and then explain to me how it works!

First of all your assuming the moon is a sphere.  It would be logical, but still an assumption.  For nobody has seen the other side of the moon.  Graphics placed on a flat disc could make it appear to be a sphere.  If the moon is not a sphere, it does have such features that make it appear to be one.

No, I am not assuming that the moon is a sphere, that is clearly stated

The Moon
The moon is a sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the earth.

and the diagram I gave is my interpretation of the Flat Earth explanation of a full moon.

Or does every Flat Earther have a different hypothesis for every aspect of the Flat Earth. Get your act together.

At least with the Heliocentric Globe, we have a known shape, size, map, and explanation of essentially everything related to the system.

I'll have a FE go, there is no moon, what we think we see is a natural product of lenses. From the human eye and the camera to radio waves, everything with a lensing effect produces the same optical illusion and thats also why everyone thinks they see the same side of the moon. The optical illusion created by lenses is attracted to north pole and southern ice wall but in opposite directions and thats why the illusion seems to rotate between the northern and southern regions.

Fuck, its so easy being a FE'er when you can just make shit up.

I'll have a FE go, there is no moon, what we think we see is a natural product of lenses. From the human eye and the camera to radio waves, everything with a lensing effect produces the same optical illusion and thats also why everyone thinks they see the same side of the moon. The optical illusion created by lenses is attracted to north pole and southern ice wall but in opposite directions and thats why the illusion seems to rotate between the northern and southern regions.

Fuck, its so easy being a FE'er when you can just make shit up.

Sounds as good as the Wiki explanation. You have to see "ex-globe's" imaginative efforts in "Admission that they don't use satellite for internet"!

Because of the OP, the Moon MUST be a flat disk: (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66101.msg1764655#msg1764655)

The wiki is wrong. FEers really don't know Astronomy 101.

Before I start, when I say "for everyone", I do mean for all those over the half of the earth that can see the moon.

We are told

Quote from: the Wiki

The Phases of the Moon
When one observes the phases of the moon he sees the moon's day and night, a shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

From: The Phases of the Moon
The diagram below shows how I picture the geometry(some diagrams in the Wiki might help) of the earth, sun and moon at the time of a full moon. I have not drawn the moon above the sun, as at the time of a full moon the moon would be around 20,000 km from the sun, so a few hundreds of kilometres could hardly make a difference! If the moon were much higher it would appear much smaller at the time of a full moon - and it certainly does not.

In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or else they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!. The observer directly underneath is looking straight up and clearly sees only half the side facing him illuminated, that is sees only a HALF MOON, not a Full Moon.

The other observer, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising (or vice versa), sees most of the part of the moon facing him as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different countries, and not as appears here

almost a full moon for those where the moon is near the horizon and only a half moon for those directly under the moon.

Please explain where I am mistaken, because this is how I interpret what is said in the Wiki.

I think the moon has it's own light.  And during the day it would seem that the suns light is reflecting off of it.  The sunlight is lighting up the sky around the moon making it appear to be a lesser brightness, when it is not.  It is constantly the same brightness in which the area is lit.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 26, 2016, 05:29:22 AM

Before I start, when I say "for everyone", I do mean for all those over the half of the earth that can see the moon.

We are told

Quote from: the Wiki

The Phases of the Moon
When one observes the phases of the moon he sees the moon's day and night, a shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

From: The Phases of the Moon

Please explain where I am mistaken, because this is how I interpret what is said in the Wiki.

I think the moon has it's own light.  And during the day it would seem that the suns light is reflecting off of it.  The sunlight is lighting up the sky around the moon making it appear to be a lesser brightness, when it is not.  It is constantly the same brightness in which the area is lit.

How is it that every Flat Earther seems to have a different idea on all these topics?

Look, we live on the same earth, see the same moon, so obviously there is one correct explanation for these observations.
It is not a matter of philosophy or belief. Do some research and see what others think!

At least with the Globe there is a coherent explanation for all our observations,at least within the Solar system.

Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

But they can't all be true at once.  That just shows how fractured the "society" is. 

But they can't all be true at once.  That just shows how fractured the "society" is.

It is like Kintsugi. We are fractured. But We are beautiful.

Quote from: Blue_Moon on May 27, 2016, 05:04:38 PM

But they can't all be true at once.  That just shows how fractured the "society" is.

It is like Kintsugi. We are fractured. But We are beautiful.

Cool imagery, but not relevant.  Our model is self-consistent and unified.  You can't agree on the nature of any of the heavenly bodies or the earth. 

Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

Hahaha... yep that explains it... sometimes it is flat when needed. Sometimes it is round when needed.  And these don't contradict each other.  Sometime it is self-illuminating when needed. Sometimes the Sun illuminates it. Sometimes the Sun acts like a "spotlight" when needed so can't illuminate it. Other times it doesn't act like a "spotlight" and does.

... and this is what FEers would teach to children in school so they don't get indoctrinated by a coherent heliocentric spherical Earth model (and the math and science that goes with it that has been developed over the centuries)...

This "logic" explains FE perfectly - a fantasy only in each individual's mind. And... it makes "sense" to FEers...

Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

Hi daftpunk,

Thank you for this post. It proves to me that your a troll, and that I can just ignore what you have to say for here on out. Again, thanks!

Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

Do you believe it's a sphere, or do you believe it's a disk?