There is no evidence that slaughterers are more mentally ill than anyone else. Citation needed.
How many times would I have to repeat myself?!
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=155688Vitamin B12 cannot be had from natural sources on a vegan diet. Prove it can. Citation needed.
Did you literally read what I wrote? No food contains Vitamin B12 naturally. And there is no correlation between Vitamin B12 deficiency and vegan diet.
We don't know what causes Vitamin B12 deficiency, but if it were caused by the vegan diet, there would be a correlation between it and the said diet. Yet there is none!
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2000/000802.htmAnd Vitamin B12, just like it is artificially inserted into animals, can be inserted into plants also. And to eat it, nobody has to die!
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00007957But, as far as I know, there is no evidence that anything but supplements can help Vitamin B12 deficient.
Prove that a high histadelic like myself will not be harmed by your proposed diet. Citation needed.
Sorry, I just couldn't find out what "histadelic" means. And the burden of proof lies on YOU. For you to eat meat every day it takes about 5000 animals in your lifetime. So, if you claim that we should kill 5000 animals, you should definitely justify it.
Prove that I should have any feeling for the cow I am about to eat. Citation needed.
What the hell do you mean by that? Are you saying that cows have no feelings? Yes, they do. They whine when you take their children away. They scream when you slaughter them. If you press its breasts too hard, they hit you with their leg. But, if you want to read about animal sentience from the scientists, here we go:
http://www.livescience.com/39481-time-to-declare-animal-sentience.htmlBTW, YOU must prove your argument since you are asking me to change something I am happy with.
No, the burden of proof is definitely on you. For you to eat meat, it takes 5000 animals. If you claim that we should kill 5000 animals, you should definitely justify that.
Re: Ethiopia, it is a known fact that, without changing diet, we could feed the entire planet fairly if we distributed the food we currently eat more equitably.
How could you possibly know that?
OK, did you literally read what I wrote? There is more than enough food produced in Ethiopia, they just export that food to other countries where they feed animals with it!
And remember when citing that Wikipedia is not suitable.
Wikipedia is a way to get into some subject enough so that you have a broad picture. If you want more, see the references! I don't know what sources are considered reliable about such things, but I am going to try:
http://www.ethiopia.gov.et/economyhttp://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2013/feb/25/indian-land-grabs-ethiopiaTried it, one of the few meals in my life that actually offended me. Calling vegan bacon bacon is the same as calling a piece of cardboard a quiche lorraine.
Try a different recipe. Just like not every bacon is good, so isn't every vegan bacon.
Hitler was a vegetarian.
Hitler's life is a very controversial topic among historians. Here is a video to inform you about it:
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Also, even if he was a vegetarian, that vegetarianism had nothing to do with nazism.
By the way, do you think of how many plants you eat in your life? They are living beings, too.
Wow! I must say I expected to see this argument sooner.
First of all, plants you eat don't try to defend themselves. I mean, nobody eats nettles or roses, right?
Also, a meat-eater kills far more plants than a vegan. Animals we eat also have to be fed.
I've read that research. It also concluded that a vegan diet lacks iron, zinc, and calcium, which could lead to osteoporosis and problems in kid development. It is also well know that a vegan diet is less energy dense than a normal healthy diet, meaning that for the same performance, one has to eat much more, and control the diet harshly to avoid potential problems. It's also worth noting that plants do have their own problems. A vegan diet is potentially more sugar-heavy than a healthy mediterranean diet, for example.
Do your research here:
http://www.nutrition.orgAnd let us know if you come to the same conclusion so that we all laugh at your reading comprehension!
Meat is a very important part of the human diet. On what basis are you judging it?
It's not. If it were, it wouldn't cause heart disease and cancer.
As someone who has participated in a slaughter, and whose family has done this for all the familiar history Im aware of, I find this statement quite offensive, specially since you give no proof for such a thing, and you imply that the 90% (this percentile has been infered from my rectum, please dont take it seriously, and dont make me look up actual rural population graphs) of the population before the 1700s was mentally ill.
LOL! Well, people certainly weren't smarter before 1700s, so…
Also, I have shown the study again and again.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=155688Burden of proof. I have no homework to do, same as I don't have to prove that the Flat Earth hypothesis is wrong.
Burden of proof is definitely on you. You are one asking people to kill countless animals who want to live as much as we do.
Good luck with convincing people to wage a war by switching the burden of proof!
As Hitchens said, one has to marvel at the almost perfect circularity of that argument. Yeah, killing kills.
I was attempting to address the argument that the slaughter and murder are somehow different. In reality, they are not! At least if you have something else to eat, and you do!
And many people would be much more sad if you forced them to eat veggies only. And what about the plants?
And what about many people who are suffering from depression caused by the various chemical compounds in meat, dairy and eggs?
http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/food/vegetarian-diets?page=0%252C0And, again, plants you eat don't try to defend themselves. Animals do!
That isnt a problem with eating meat, but with the current state of the meat industry.
So, how can it improve? This is the way it makes the most money. And they care only about money. And it's a good thing because, well, we can change what they do by paying them to do something other than killing innocent animals!
All cattle I've known has usually died at 10 max, after several years of improductivity and limping around.
You seem not to realize that constantly lactating is very unhealthy.
I've never known such old cattle, and google seems to back up my claim that cattle dies around 10-12 years of old age.
OK, admittedly, my source was unreliable (a youtube video from a vegan vloger). But that still doesn't negate my point. They still live only half as much as they could!
The poor starving people would kill for a cow. People dont eat grass.
Cows are better fed with soy and grains than with grass.
In any case, it fails to feed its own people because IT EXPORTS THE LIVESTOCK INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO LOCALS.
Well, that's exactly the point! It feeds livestock instead of people!
Its just a consequence of caciquist economics in a post-colonial failed state such as Ethiopia. A redistributive economy could potentially boost Ethiopia to normal statehood, but I doubt any leader has any intention of doing such a thing.
Because that wouldn't solve the problem! They don't have enough food for both the livestock and the people! The only solution is to get rid of the livestock!
Or, you know, Ethiopia's economy wasnt based on milking the value out of the land until not a single drop remains left. But, again, the profits rule.
Look, the supply equals demand. If there were a way to increase the supply, it would increase. Don't you think that people have enough motivation to do that? It's just that they can't. We have to deal with the fact that resources are limited. We can feed ourselves, but we can't feed both ourselves and the livestock.
You arent lying (I think), you are just oversimplificating things. If people stopped eating meat all of a sudden, then maize exports would decrease (as well as livestock), causing a recession, and potentially leaving without a job everyone in the supply chain. Great! More poor people! And we still dont have MORE food, just the same, distributed diferently. Can you milk maize?.
What are you talking about? We would HAVE more food for ourselves, we wouldn't have to feed the billions of animals any more!
That is arguably a good thing.
How?!
Wrong, and irrelevant. Ethical and responsible pesticide usage carries no problem.
It is impossible when you have to produce so much food! You simply can't regulate so many workers!
And here's the kicker. Deforestation is bad because it kills animals. However, you probably think this deforestation is just like Amazon style deforestation. Fun fact, in some parts of Europe, it is OVER forestation that is a problem. Areas that used to be fields are being planted with eucalyptus because, whatever, who cares I wont be able to have cattle, lets just get some quick buck by drying the land and literally causing landslides thanks to invasive species that kill all local plant life and gradually desertify the land. Oh, three thousand hectareas of land burned because it was all dry land and eucaliptus? Whatever, we didnt kill the squirrels!
What a word salad!? Look, the parasites are far more likely to destroy fields than forests, because it is enough that it attacks only one type of a plant! As for the fires in the forests, look, deforestation itself kills the animals, while the forests themselves don't.
How do I exactly force anyone to eat meat? If someone comes to my house and says he or she's vegan, I'll first laugh at her, then make soup for his or her. I don't force anyone to eat meat, hell, more meat for me!
You don't FORCE anyone to eat meat. Just like, when you smoke, you don't have to force anyone to smoke. But if you smoke, people around you are more likely to start smoking also. The same goes for eating meat. Is that so hard to understand?
There is NOTHING morally wrong with eating corpses
Yes, it is! Imagine if people started selling corpses to be eaten! That would increase the number of murderers countless times! People would murder each other because of money they would get for selling corpses!
You DONT eat animals that died on their own, you dont know HOW they died.
Are you trolling or what? I do know that animals I eat were murdered! And I know that, if I buy them, they are going to murder more and more animals. Waiting for an animal to die naturally is inefficient.
How do you know I support any industry?
Many people say so, but the chances are that you do! The vast majority of meat, dairy and eggs today is produced by the inhumane factory farming.
How do you know I dont have my own cattle, or that I dont buy it from small local producers? Why do you assume that?
Doesn't matter! Animals you eat have to be killed! And animals can be happy, but meat can't!
Changing my mind won't change my body. I crave rice pudding and I'm lactose intolerant but I still eat it and people that live with me hate me for it.
Your body doesn't need to change. You don't need to eat meat to be healthy, regardless of what you believe!