On the notion of Israel

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2016, 02:23:45 PM »
I have never supported killing Palestinians. I have never even mentioned them.

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2016, 02:35:54 PM »
Well, in terms of accepting our lot, read Zechariah chapter 8. That ought to give you a good clue of what our lot is.

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2016, 03:30:33 PM »
Yes, the Jews are God's chosen. That is why I say you should accept your lot in life: it has what God has chosen to give you.
I didn't suggest killing Palestinians.

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2016, 04:48:38 PM »
There ARE no settlers in Gaza! Only in the West Bank.

West Bank is the larger if the Palestinian enclaves, you can't just ignore the question because it applies to only 60% of the Palestinian population.
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2016, 06:47:11 PM »
The reason I did not deal with the question is BECAUSE we were NOT talking about Judaea and Samaria, otherwise inappropriately designated the West Bank after its geographic location alongside the River Jordan. We were talking about the Gaza Strip.

Ultimately, Hamas, in their Charter, which has NEVER been changed, calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. And the Palestinian Authority, ruling in Judaea and Samaria, although CLAIMING to recognise a two-state solution, can be seen in the textbooks they make for their children to believe otherwise. In those books, maps of the region show "Palestine" with no reference to Israel's existence. Ultimately, with peace partners like that, who the hell needs enemies?

Eventually, one of two things will happen. Either the Arabs under Occupation will start yet another war and shit will get out of control and they will be annihilated (I sincerely hope not, for their sake), or they will be forced out of the region into other Arab countries, which should have happened years ago. Only this time it won't be nice and orderly. It will be more like a nasty Syrian situation in which the Jews are going to have to get involved to stop what will probably be a vicious internecine civil fucking war, that may draw in the constantly unstable Lebanon, and possibly, G-d forbid, whatever might be left of Syria. And with the Gaza next to Egypt, they may have to get involved to help their old enemy/friend the Jews for the sake of their own stability. Welcome to realpolitik.



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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2016, 10:35:11 PM »
All the "Palestinians" have to do is stop throwing rockets. Remember that in 2005 Israel left the Gaza entirely. By 2007 they had elected terrorists to govern them and imported shit tons of weapons. Israel had no choice but to blockade the area at that point. They tried the nice peace process way for 2 years and got nothing but rockets on their heads.

I see your point. It's interesting to see the situation from your angle. I agree, of course, that the rockets need to stop. I don't believe it will happen though. And there is no way one can simply keep the status quo and wait for the other party to make the first step. That will never work.

One party needs to completely forgo violence and simply wait. People will start to question the narrative when the evil enemy refuses to play the part. The only other options, as you have pointed out, are the destruction or the relocation of all the non-jewish population. And even then, Israel will still be surrounded by muslim countries, who can still fire rockets.

I realize it's a lot to ask of anyone to live in fear of violence yet don't do anything about it. But the thing is I don't see how reacting to the violence will ever make it stop, either. Note that I don't mean not acting in self defense. I simply mean avoiding anything that isn't self defence against an actual imminent attack.

But, again, I see your point. I don't want to defend the extremists, I just think it's such a sad situation for anyone, and nothing has ever worked. Perhaps someone ought to do something unprecedented.

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2016, 02:05:50 AM »
I think the problem is, is that someone DID do something unprecedented. In 2005, Ariel Sharon removed EVERY SINGLE JEW from the Gaza Strip. For two years, the region was left completely alone. He did this UNILATERALLY , with no expectations of the other side, except the obvious one of being left in peace. Instead, the Arabs imported shit-tons of weaponry, dug tunnels into Israel, shot rockets into Israel, and elected terrorists to govern them.

Finally, after 2 years of this shit, yes, a blockade was announced by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Notice that the only one you ever hear about is the one imposed by those awful Jews. Talk about anti-Semitism at its worst.

So no, we are tired of doing the unprecedented. Let them do it next time. Jews are a People with a long memory. We can wait until the time is right to claim all of Greater Israel, but make no mistake, it will happen.


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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2016, 09:04:51 PM »
To be honest, the Arabs, in their home land, did not get pissed until the British started taking over.  Then, they got more pissed when the Jews started pouring in.  Then, they got really pissed when the US (and Europe) came after their oil.  The Jews then claimed to take over their land, there were wars, and then the Jews turned the Palestinians into second rate citizens.  Can you really blame them? 

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2016, 09:54:45 PM »
Tell that tale your own way. You sound like as big an idiot the 100th time as you did the first. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian".  There are Arabs who don't belong there. The children of Ishmael will either submit to the children of Isaac or they will be annihilated. Although on a personal level I don't care what choice they make, for their sake I hope they choose the former. As far as the oil, it was discovered by the British. The Arabs would not have known it was there if not FOR the British, and they would certainly have not known how to obtain it.

In your attempt to make Arabs look good, you are succeeding only in making yourself look like an apologist for some of the most uncivilised people on the planet. These people whom you defend are the same ones who use their own children as human shields. Your next entry will probably be a justification for that. I can hardly wait.
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2016, 09:59:06 PM »
And it might be added that the territory of Greater Israel HAS no oil, by the way, or at least, very little, unlike Jordan, which has some, and the KSA, which has a shit-ton. So that argument doesn't really wash at all.

And your timeline is VERY wrong, BTW. Jews began arriving in large numbers starting in 1882, when the Turks were still in charge, before the British got involved. The British were discovering oil, but the Turks controlled the region politically. The Jews bought land, mostly at 3-4 times its market value, from absentee Turkish landlords. The resident Arabs could have done the same, but were too stupid to do so. Even as it WAS, any Arab who remained in Israel during the War of Independence is now an Israeli Arab, most of whom will tell you they would rather BE that than a citizen of any "Palestinian" State. They have full rights in Israel, FAR MORE than any Jew gets in ANY Arab State, irrespective of whether they are Muslims or Christians.

As for the so-called "Palestinians" who left at the behest of the five Arab Armies that invaded the country, they got what they deserved. They are lucky to be alive. They really don't deserve to be be, frankly, as traitors to their country.




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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2016, 10:07:16 PM »
Yeah yeah yeah.  All your god stuff.  And then accuse the other side of atrocities. How many Palestinians have the Israelis killed last year?   

The only reason I can figure that Israelis would be so adement about taking over Arab land is that they are Arabs themselves. 

Also, I never said that Israel had oil, I simply stated that the English and Americans wanted oil on Arab land.  Can you not understand English? 

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2016, 10:12:58 PM »
How many Monarchs have the British appointed to be kings and rulers of the Middle Eastern lands?

Did Britain finally approve of the take over of Palestine? Are you sure you are a history major, or chemical engineering major, or what ever degree you have at the present? 

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2016, 10:22:46 PM »
And anyone who calls a Jew an Arab is just a fucking idiot, but then, you do think the world is flat, so…

Who cares how many "Palestinians"died last year? They brought it on themselves.

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2016, 10:31:52 PM »
And actually, no. Britain gave up and turned the matter over to the UN which, in one of the few useful things its ever done, recognised the already clear and present fact of Israel's existence.
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2016, 10:32:28 PM »
And anyone who calls a Jew an Arab is just a fucking idiot, but then, you do think the world is flat, so…

Who cares how many "Palestinians"died last year? They brought it on themselves.


I am sorry that your "Promised Land" happened to be on the Arabian Peninsula.  I am also sorry that your people hate the Palestinians so much, even though there were not Israelis there, in number, until around 100 hears ago. 

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2016, 10:34:49 PM »
And actually, no. Britain gave up and turned the matter over to the UN which, in one of the few useful things its ever done, recognised the already existing fact of Israel's existence.


What?  The League of Nations was not a thing?  They did not tell the Israelis it was illegal to do that?  They did it anyway?  Have you ever read a History book, historian? 

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« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2016, 10:37:51 PM »
Repeating a lie does not make it a truth al though, you, like Hitler, will attempt to make it so. But again, you do believe the Earth is flat so…

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2016, 10:41:03 PM »
The League of Nations did not exist?  Seriously, have you ever read a history book, historian?  lol

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2016, 10:46:23 PM »
Ah, a stupid question without relevance. Just like you not using the word "Israeli" correctly. But you are stupid, after all, or a retard, I am uncertain which. In any case, my battery is low, and I've made you look stupid enough for one day. I'll sign off now, and come back and torment you again tomorrow.


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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2016, 10:58:15 PM »
Ah, a stupid question without relevance. Just like you not using the word "Israeli" correctly. But you are stupid, after all, or a retard, I am uncertain which. In any case, my battery is low, and I've made you look stupid enough for one day. I'll sign off now, and come back and torment you again tomorrow.



What language do you speak, dumb ass?  Because in my language, Israeli is a word.  Do you Jews change all of the words that you don't like?  I did not even know that Jews did not like the word Israeli, much less that they accost people for it. 

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2016, 01:46:07 AM »
No, Shit-for-Brains. You are using the word incorrectly. You are using it as a synonym for "Jew". In fact, "Israeli" refers to any citizen of the State of Israel, irrespective of their membership in a national group, religious group, ethnic group, or ethno-religious group. 22% of said Israelis are in fact Arabs! Arabic is co-official, along with Hebrew. Arabs serve in the Knesset, on the Supreme Court, in the military (voluntarily; they aren't drafted, unlike Jews, who are [unless you count the Druze Arabs who are drafted by their own request]), Arabs vote, go to college, work, and otherwise participate in the national life of the State.

This is FAR more than ANY Jew will ever get in any Arab shithole. But as an apologist for "Palestinians",  I know you will come up with yet something else to whine about. Since "Palestinians" are NOT Israelis, given that they are not citizens of the State, unlike The Arabs who STAYED in Israel during the 1948 War.

"Palestinians", who betrayed the State in 1948, unlike the other Arabs who stayed, are lucky to even be alive. Frankly, they don't deserve to be. And that is all that need be said.
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2016, 02:33:24 AM »
So, Palestinians are Israelis?  Funny how your people punishes them for not being Jewish, don't you think? 

Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2016, 04:24:17 AM »
Damn, what a shithead. Since "Palestinians"aren't citizens of Israel...
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2016, 11:32:43 PM »
And the League, which you so pointlessly brought up, gave Britain its Mandate to rule what was then called inapproprately "Palestine" after what the Romans had called it (incidentally, the word "Palestina" is a Latinised version of the word "Philistia", the people of whom are called "Philistines", an ancient enemy of ours. The Romans called it that in an attempt, fortunately unsuccessful, to de-Judaeise the region). By the time 1948 came around, the League didn't even exist any longer. So bringing that failed institution up was just stupid on your part. It had nothing to do with the decision Britain made to LEAVE the region to its own devices in May of that year, if memory serves me well.

So, if I were you, by this point in the argument I would be feeling like such an ass and a fool that I would turn tail and run for the hills. Lets recap, just for those who need to know briefly how I've made you look like a dumbass.

1). Israel is NOT like Germany. Germany killed 11 million persons in her camps in 12 years, 6 million of them Jewish. The "Palestinian" pop. on the other hand has multiplied by FOUR times in 49 years.

2). "Palestinians" can actually protest their treatment in the Supreme Court of Israel, where they often win. No other occupied people in the world has that prerogative.

3). "Palestinians" were invited by Jews to share the country with them in 1948. Many chose to do so, and, as Israeli Arabs, have full rights as citizens. Most of them, in poll after poll, have stated repeatedly that although Israel is not perfect, they would MUCH prefer their current status as citizens of Israel as opposed to any "Palestinian" State.

4). The "Palestinians" who rejected the idea in (3) fled at the request/order of the five invading Arab Armies after Israel declared independence. It was their choice to leave, and lose their homes.

5). Atrocities were committed by both sides, albeit far more by Arabs. And the ones done by Jews were usually punished when known about. The Arabs continue to uphold the perpetrators of theirs as heroes.

6). When someone starts a war with you, you are permitted to kill as many combatants as needed to force a surrender, which is what Israel did fighting five invading armies in1948.

7). The "Palestinians" NEVER had self government at any point in their history. The Israeli Arabs have far more rights than Arabs living in that region HAVE EVER HAD at any time.

(8 ). Jews are the sons of Isaac. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael. They are not the same people, although they ARE both Semitic, along with some other groups.

9). The Levant is not on the Arabian Peninsula.

10). Israel already TRIED something unprecedented by completely evacuating the Gaza Strip. In return, mass weapons were imported and rockets were rained on their heads. A blockade was introduced by Israel AND Egypt, although THE ONLY ONE THE WHINY MEDIA EVER TALKS ABOUT is the Israeli blockade.

11). Hamas openly calls for Israel's destruction. The PA teaches its children that Israel doesn't exist.

12). Without the British, the Arabs would never have known what oil was, or that they had any, or how to get it, or what to do with it.

The last point about the use of the word "Israeli" is just above, so I won't cover it here. But I think that about wraps up the argument, and puts a tying bow on making jroa look like the fool he is. Please note that that was NOT my original intent. But when someone deliberately acts like an anti-Semitic asshole, I shall respond.

I hope this argument can rest here. But that is up to him.
















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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2016, 02:10:32 PM »
On the one hand, I appreciate the Islamophobic propaganda produced by Israel, Zionists, and their supporters. On the other, though, I appreciate the anti-Semitic propaganda produced by Arabs, cucks, and their supporters. Hopefully it will help wake the West up to the infiltration of these troublesome foreign groups into OUR national politics.

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« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2016, 07:08:28 PM »
Aside from the fact that Jews have lived in the USA since BEFORE  the founding of the Republic, have fought in every conflict to maintain the freedom of said Republic, and have been part and parcel of the nation's fabric since before there WAS one.

I'll grant the Liberty, for which Israel apologised and paid indemnities to the families of the fallen. They did after all think it was an Egyptian craft. And I'll grant J. Pollard, but that fucker had (and still has) some serious mental problems. Why he was EVER allowed in the military of ANY nation is beyond me.

Israel is hardly islamophobic. 20% of its own population is Muslim. The other 2% of Arabs are Christian or Druze. Although the Arab minority DOES have issues affecting it, just like Negroes in the USA, or any minority anywhere, in poll after poll after poll, said Arabs have repeatedly expressed their preference at remaining citizens of Israel as opposed to any proposed "Palestinian" State, or any other Arab State currently existing.

Before you open your mouth, and proceed to stick your own dick in it, it would behoove you to read a book or two, if in fact you are literate. Do try, so the rest of us are not forced to read crap.





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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2016, 06:50:51 PM »
Wow, Jews get really mad.  Is there anything that will quench your ire? 

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2016, 08:44:18 PM »
Wow, Jews get really mad.  Is there anything that will quench your ire?

According to the Torah, the blood of every Canaanite is a good start.
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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2016, 09:42:22 PM »
JROA, I am not mad at all. I've already made you look like a fucktard, as the above summary indicates.

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Re: On the notion of Israel
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2016, 09:46:12 PM »
So nothing will quench your ire?