If the sun is a spotlight then...

Hello FE'ers! I am writing a paper for my astronomy class to shed some light on their clearly inferior theory of Earth being "round". While writing my paper, I came to some puzzling questions, and I thought that there has to be a scholar out there that could explain to me what is really going on, so that I don't look like a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT when I give my presentation.

Here are my questions:
Question #1: If the sun is a spotlight, what causes the phases of the moon? (Full moon, crescent, etc.) Does it only shine on the point of earth experiencing daytime and the moon?

Question #2: Since, the sun does not orbit behind FE what causes a Lunar Eclipse? RE'ers believe that the sun orbits behind the "globe" (<- hilarious belief system am I right), and that the earth is between the sun and the moon casting a shadow on the moon.

Question #3: Again, if the sun is a spotlight, why can I not see the light from it when it is nighttime and shining on the side of the earth that is experiencing daytime. I have seen spotlights at night that show from clubs that are miles away. Surely, the sun has to be brighter than those spotlights, and surely I should be able to see the light showing on the bright side of the earth from where I am when it is night.

Too much satire?... 

From now on this post will go down in history as the three questions that stumped a bunch of people (seven) that had no idea what they were talking about to begin with. It will be a minuscule blip in the timeline of history, but still...

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

Oh, right. That explains everything. Thank you very much for clearing that up with all of your wisdom 'artificial intelligence'

...artificial intelligence is actually a pretty accurate term for describing you, because all of your statements are just made up.

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane. 

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 03, 2016, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Why can you clearly see starts rising and setting on the horizon ?

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 03, 2016, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Why can you clearly see starts rising and setting on the horizon ?

Why would you not? 

P.S. don't act like a noob asking the same questions that you have asked hundreds of times and gotten answers for in the past.  Come up with some new material, please. 

Quote from: Googleotomy on February 03, 2016, 07:37:38 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 03, 2016, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Why can you clearly see starts rising and setting on the horizon ?

Why would you not? 

P.S. don't act like a noob asking the same questions that you have asked hundreds of times and gotten answers for in the past.  Come up with some new material, please.

I tried finding the answer myself when I first started checking out FE.  If we can not see the light from the sun how can we see the light from the stars located the same direction the sun should be located.

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

If we can not see the light from the sun how can we see the light from the stars located the same direction the sun should be located.

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

Or they're not spotlights in the same way, and are usually unseen because of the Sun's brightness.

Globedebunker,

Am I the only one that can't stand it when JROA shows up in the conversation? It seems like everyone here tries to answer questions. Not JROA, nope.

Q : Why can we do X?
JROA : Why shouldn't we be able to?

Q : Why does this do this?
JRO A : Why shouldn't it do that?

Q : Please explain the reason for that thing.
JRO A : That reason for that thing is because it's the thing. What else?

Seriously dude. Moderate, but stay out of the conversations. See how Jane gives an actual answer? Now sit down and just watch.

Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2016, 11:39:09 PM

If we can not see the light from the sun how can we see the light from the stars located the same direction the sun should be located.

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

Or they're not spotlights in the same way, and are usually unseen because of the Sun's brightness.

Jane, reasonably speaking if you shine a spotlight into the atmosphere the light is refracted by the moisture in that atmosphere. That's why we can see spotlights. The sun may be bright enough to burn through the atmosphere without being refracted, but if it is that powerful then we would see the beam of light. The sun is not a laser, therefore the point isn't the only source of light. A beam of light lights up a room which anyone who's been in a dark house with dust in it can see. The sunbeam shines in, you can see it, and it lights up the room. Something as powerful as the sun would cast a pretty wide field of light even if it's a spotlight. If it's only 300 miles up, as the theory goes, then it can't possibly light up as much as it does and keep the rest of the world in darkness. The moon provides light at night because it reflects light. So, the sun can't possibly be a spotlight.

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 03, 2016, 05:20:43 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

The sun is not a spot light.  It simply acts like one from out perspective.  From the moon's perspective, there is no reason why light from the sun can not land on its surface.

...so what exactly is the reason that the sun's light cannot land on the surface of the dark side of the earth?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

True, but can you explain why light from the sun travels a much much much smaller distance than it is able to?

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

I would speculate that the stars we see near the horizon are simply closer to you than the sun is at that point in time. 

Globedebunker,

Am I the only one that can't stand it when JROA shows up in the conversation? It seems like everyone here tries to answer questions. Not JROA, nope.

Did it occur to you that the person I was responding to (hint: I even quoted him) has been here for several years, has posted almost 3000 posts, and likely has asked this same basic question dozens of times in the past, Mr. 9 Posts?  Did it occur to you that perhaps I simply do not like repeating myself over and over to the same permanoobs who offer nothing new to the discussions?  Did it occur to you that I converse with Googleotomy in more than just this forum, and I know his low quality question posting tactics?  You have been here for a week and think you are in charge of things now. 

Quote from: Jane on February 04, 2016, 12:40:11 AM

Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2016, 11:39:09 PM

If we can not see the light from the sun how can we see the light from the stars located the same direction the sun should be located.

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

Or they're not spotlights in the same way, and are usually unseen because of the Sun's brightness.

Jane, reasonably speaking if you shine a spotlight into the atmosphere the light is refracted by the moisture in that atmosphere. That's why we can see spotlights. The sun may be bright enough to burn through the atmosphere without being refracted, but if it is that powerful then we would see the beam of light. The sun is not a laser, therefore the point isn't the only source of light. A beam of light lights up a room which anyone who's been in a dark house with dust in it can see. The sunbeam shines in, you can see it, and it lights up the room. Something as powerful as the sun would cast a pretty wide field of light even if it's a spotlight. If it's only 300 miles up, as the theory goes, then it can't possibly light up as much as it does and keep the rest of the world in darkness. The moon provides light at night because it reflects light. So, the sun can't possibly be a spotlight.

Don't try to figure out the FET Sun, it's doomed to failure. The number of alterations required to the laws governing light in order to explain, say, sunsets pretty much guarantees it's not going to be easy to make any clear predictions about what we'd expect to observe.

I thought my questions about the FE model would fit in this thread,so here goes:

- I can observe the sun at an elevation of 11 degrees during the winter solstice. If the sun is hanging at about 3000 miles up, then it would be 15,000 miles away from me. What's going on there?

- From summer to winter or even from noon to evening, the sun is at vastly different distances from me. Why does it look the same size?

- Similar to the first question, if the sun is constantly at around 3000 miles up, then what is going on during sunrise/sunset. The angle would be lower than noon, but nowhere near 0 degrees elevation.

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane. 
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Then how do we see the light from stars? Obviously they're much farther away and therefore they wouldn't be visible in the FE model

Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2016, 11:39:09 PM

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

I would speculate that the stars we see near the horizon are simply closer to you than the sun is at that point in time. 

Quote from: MrAltoids on February 04, 2016, 12:44:48 AM

Globedebunker,

Am I the only one that can't stand it when JROA shows up in the conversation? It seems like everyone here tries to answer questions. Not JROA, nope.

Did it occur to you that the person I was responding to (hint: I even quoted him) has been here for several years, has posted almost 3000 posts, and likely has asked this same basic question dozens of times in the past, Mr. 9 Posts?  Did it occur to you that perhaps I simply do not like repeating myself over and over to the same permanoobs who offer nothing new to the discussions?  Did it occur to you that I converse with Googleotomy in more than just this forum, and I know his low quality question posting tactics?  You have been here for a week and think you are in charge of things now. 

The stars are closer than the sun ? Did you really mean to say that ?

Quote from: jroa on February 04, 2016, 01:56:10 AM

Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2016, 11:39:09 PM

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

I would speculate that the stars we see near the horizon are simply closer to you than the sun is at that point in time. 

Quote from: MrAltoids on February 04, 2016, 12:44:48 AM

Globedebunker,

Am I the only one that can't stand it when JROA shows up in the conversation? It seems like everyone here tries to answer questions. Not JROA, nope.

Did it occur to you that the person I was responding to (hint: I even quoted him) has been here for several years, has posted almost 3000 posts, and likely has asked this same basic question dozens of times in the past, Mr. 9 Posts?  Did it occur to you that perhaps I simply do not like repeating myself over and over to the same permanoobs who offer nothing new to the discussions?  Did it occur to you that I converse with Googleotomy in more than just this forum, and I know his low quality question posting tactics?  You have been here for a week and think you are in charge of things now. 

The stars are closer than the sun ? Did you really mean to say that ?

Have you ever read the FAQ or wiki in order to learn the basic theory?

Quote from: Googleotomy on February 04, 2016, 09:43:35 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 04, 2016, 01:56:10 AM

Quote from: Woody on February 03, 2016, 11:39:09 PM

Either stars on or near the horizon are between the sun and the observer or they are brighter than the sun.  Those or the only two answers I could come up with myself.

I would speculate that the stars we see near the horizon are simply closer to you than the sun is at that point in time. 

Quote from: MrAltoids on February 04, 2016, 12:44:48 AM

Globedebunker,

Am I the only one that can't stand it when JROA shows up in the conversation? It seems like everyone here tries to answer questions. Not JROA, nope.

Did it occur to you that the person I was responding to (hint: I even quoted him) has been here for several years, has posted almost 3000 posts, and likely has asked this same basic question dozens of times in the past, Mr. 9 Posts?  Did it occur to you that perhaps I simply do not like repeating myself over and over to the same permanoobs who offer nothing new to the discussions?  Did it occur to you that I converse with Googleotomy in more than just this forum, and I know his low quality question posting tactics?  You have been here for a week and think you are in charge of things now. 

The stars are closer than the sun ? Did you really mean to say that ?

Have you ever read the FAQ or wiki in order to learn the basic theory?

Flat Earther told me how sun works.

Entropian201211:52 AM
 Maybe the sun stays there for no other reason then god wills it.  All we know about the sun is what we can observe and what the scientific organizations tell us and show us.  And for all we know they are corrupt.  I'm not saying that is the case but it is possible that we are living in a scientific dictatorship with the purpose to hide the truth. Again this may be pure paranoia on my part it's a plausible and intriguing idea. 

Is this the conclusive evidence? 

Oh, so you have never bothered to read either the FAQ, nor the wiki.  Thanks for letting us know. 

The question about why the size of the sun is always the same regardless of the time of day is just one of many nails in the FE theory. Imagine if the sun were immediately overhead at midday and therefore 3000 miles away. Now imagine that it's either the end of the day with the sun disappearing out of sight, or the beginning of the day with the sun now in view. At these times when the sun is very low in the sky (first light and dusk), it must therefore obviously be much further away than the 3000 miles that is at midday. According to the FE map, the sun would have to be at least 15,000 miles away at these times when the sun is low in the sky. It would be much appreciated if someone could explain to me, how the size of the sun is exactly the same, regardless of whether it's 3000 miles or 15,000 miles away?

How does the Sun shine on the bottom of the clouds in 'FET'?


Edit: Oh, my first thread. How naive I was then.

Here's a question: why when the spotlight affect is mapped out on a flat earth it's flatten near the North Pole? Wouldn't it be a perfect circle like a flashlight beam?

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Light can travel a long way though, on the FE model. For example if you're far south of the equator on the winter solstice, you can see the sun for something like 17½ hours.

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Light can travel a long way though, on the FE model. For example if you're far south of the equator on the winter solstice, you can see the sun for something like 17½ hours.

I don't know if this is an actual antecdote or you are just parroting something that you have heard in the past.  However, back when I used to live in the Blue Ridge Mountains, I could barely see a mountain peak that was 30 miles away.  I stand by my statement that you quoted.   

Quote from: Mister B on April 15, 2016, 05:52:09 AM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Light can travel a long way though, on the FE model. For example if you're far south of the equator on the winter solstice, you can see the sun for something like 17½ hours.

I don't know if this is an actual antecdote or you are just parroting something that you have heard in the past.  However, back when I used to live in the Blue Ridge Mountains, I could barely see a mountain peak that was 30 miles away.  I stand by my statement that you quoted.

There's quite a difference between a mountaintop and a giant burning ball in terms of visibility.

Something I've always asked myself is what keeps the sun together under FE.

Quote from: jroa on April 15, 2016, 07:24:13 AM

Quote from: Mister B on April 15, 2016, 05:52:09 AM

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Light can not propagate infinitely through our atmoplane.

Light can travel a long way though, on the FE model. For example if you're far south of the equator on the winter solstice, you can see the sun for something like 17½ hours.

I don't know if this is an actual antecdote or you are just parroting something that you have heard in the past.  However, back when I used to live in the Blue Ridge Mountains, I could barely see a mountain peak that was 30 miles away.  I stand by my statement that you quoted.

There's quite a difference between a mountaintop and a giant burning ball in terms of visibility.

Something I've always asked myself is what keeps the sun together under FE.

Nuts and bolts