Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.

Vacuums aren't forces.

What are the effects of a vacuum then?
I would like a detailed report with some scientific basis and peer reviewed citations please.

On a gas?

Already given; Free Expansion, remember?

You stuck your fingers in your ears then & you'll do it now, so I won't waste my time again.

As for this nonsense:

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

What do you think a rocket in a vacuum is?

A rocket is a system of various interacting parts within a vacuum environment.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

And what do you think it's doing?

The expanding combustion gasses are traveling and interacting with the De Laval nozzle.

Yup; back to a rocket 'pushing on itself' (lol!).

It always comes back to that same Impossible concept, don't it?

When you can place your hand under your chin & push yourself into space I'll believe you...

So that'll be Never, then.

HERE IS THE STRAWMAN TO END ALL STRAWMEN! BOW TO MY STRAWMAN!!! BOW MORTALS!!!

^Desperate.

Vacuums aren't forces.

Pressure gradient forces are forces though...

There's a clue in the name, retard.

Toodle-pip, Anti-Science Losers!

Quote from: PsychopathicShill on February 25, 2016, 06:12:09 AM

HERE IS THE STRAWMAN TO END ALL STRAWMEN! BOW TO MY STRAWMAN!!! BOW MORTALS!!!

^Desperate.

^Admission of extreme wrongness in his argument!

Space = no vacuum. How else can the Sun (a finite system), create pressure in the "infinite vacuum" of space?

Answer: IT CAN'T!

You lose, science-denying, vacuum-snorting fail-tard!

Now, toodle-pip off, and carry on lying to support your anti-science theories, vacuum lover!

Quote from: Mainframes on February 25, 2016, 04:48:21 AM

What are the effects of a vacuum then?
I would like a detailed report with some scientific basis and peer reviewed citations please.

On a gas?

Already given; Free Expansion, remember?

You stuck your fingers in your ears then & you'll do it now, so I won't waste my time again.

As for this nonsense:

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 05:37:53 AM

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

What do you think a rocket in a vacuum is?

A rocket is a system of various interacting parts within a vacuum environment.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

And what do you think it's doing?

The expanding combustion gasses are traveling and interacting with the De Laval nozzle.

Yup; back to a rocket 'pushing on itself' (lol!).

It always comes back to that same Impossible concept, don't it?

When you can place your hand under your chin & push yourself into space I'll believe you...

So that'll be Never, then.

Quote from: PsychopathicShill on February 25, 2016, 06:12:09 AM

HERE IS THE STRAWMAN TO END ALL STRAWMEN! BOW TO MY STRAWMAN!!! BOW MORTALS!!!

^Desperate.

Quote from: Empirical on February 25, 2016, 06:17:10 AM

Vacuums aren't forces.

Pressure gradient forces are forces though...

There's a clue in the name, retard.

Toodle-pip, Anti-Science Losers!

Papa since you mastered physics. Do you.mind explainh where the energy goes. Because you know since rocket fuel can't create an equal opposing force kinetic energy of the system changes without an external force (according to you). So where does this energy go does it get destroyed?

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 05:37:53 AM

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

What do you think a rocket in a vacuum is?

A rocket is a system of various interacting parts within a vacuum environment.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

And what do you think it's doing?

The expanding combustion gasses are traveling and interacting with the De Laval nozzle.

Yup; back to a rocket 'pushing on itself' (lol!).

It always comes back to that same Impossible concept, don't it?

It only seems impossible if you think that a rocket engine and burning propellant are the same object.

It only seems impossible if you think that a rocket engine and burning propellant are the same object.

So; it's only possible if I believe something untrue?

Gotcha.

Still waiting of the effects of a vacuum with citations.

Quote from: Mainframes on February 25, 2016, 04:48:21 AM

What are the effects of a vacuum then?
I would like a detailed report with some scientific basis and peer reviewed citations please.

On a gas?

Already given; Free Expansion, remember?

You stuck your fingers in your ears then & you'll do it now, so I won't waste my time again.

As for this nonsense:

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 05:37:53 AM

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

What do you think a rocket in a vacuum is?

A rocket is a system of various interacting parts within a vacuum environment.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM

And what do you think it's doing?

The expanding combustion gasses are traveling and interacting with the De Laval nozzle.

Yup; back to a rocket 'pushing on itself' (lol!).

It always comes back to that same Impossible concept, don't it?

When you can place your hand under your chin & push yourself into space I'll believe you...

So that'll be Never, then.

Quote from: PsychopathicShill on February 25, 2016, 06:12:09 AM

HERE IS THE STRAWMAN TO END ALL STRAWMEN! BOW TO MY STRAWMAN!!! BOW MORTALS!!!

^Desperate.

Quote from: Empirical on February 25, 2016, 06:17:10 AM

Vacuums aren't forces.

Pressure gradient forces are forces though...

There's a clue in the name, retard.

Toodle-pip, Anti-Science Losers!

No! You moron! A rocket doesn't push on itself. A rocket pushes on the exhausted fuel. How many different ways does this have to be worded for you to understand it?

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 06:49:32 AM

It only seems impossible if you think that a rocket engine and burning propellant are the same object.

So; it's only possible if I believe something untrue?

Believing that a rocket engine and propellant are the same object is untrue.

Perhaps you're confusing 'system' and 'object' with each other.  They are not synonyms.

A system is made up of interacting objects.

A rocket is a system that consists of 2 objects; the rocket engine and the propellant.

The propellant interacts with the rocket engine.

It's not that difficult of a concept, is it?

Believing that a rocket engine and propellant are the same object is untrue.

^Brainwashing.

^lol.

Perhaps you're confusing 'system' and 'object' with each other.  They are not synonyms.

^Playing with words like crooked lawyer.

^Better Call Markjo!

A rocket is quite obviously ONE object; look at one & count it for proof of what I say.

Rocket without fuel = ONE object.

Rocket with fuel = ONE object.

When rocket does not have fuel it CANNOT create Force via F=pa.

When rocket does have fuel it CAN create Force via F=pa.

No matter what, it is ONE object.

Therefore, when it IS creating Force via F=pa, it needs a SECOND object, EXTRINSIC to itself, in order to produce motion.

This second extrinsic object can ONLY be the atmosphere through which it moves.

Therefore, remove the atmosphere & no motion can be produced.

Therefore, rockets cannot wok in a vacuum.

Simple.

But don't let facts, science & experimental evidence distract from your lying...

Toodle-pip, Losers!

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 10:14:30 AM

Believing that a rocket engine and propellant are the same object is untrue.

^Brainwashing.

^lol.

Quote from: markjo on February 25, 2016, 10:14:30 AM

Perhaps you're confusing 'system' and 'object' with each other.  They are not synonyms.

^Playing with words like crooked lawyer.

^Better Call Markjo!

A rocket is quite obviously ONE object; look at one & count it for proof of what I say.

Rocket without fuel = ONE object.

Rocket with fuel = ONE object.

When rocket does not have fuel it CANNOT create Force via F=pa.

When rocket does have fuel it CAN create Force via F=pa.

No matter what, it is ONE object.

Therefore, when it IS creating Force via F=pa, it needs a SECOND object, EXTRINSIC to itself, in order to produce motion.

This second extrinsic object can ONLY be the atmosphere through which it moves.

Therefore, remove the atmosphere & no motion can be produced.

Therefore, rockets cannot wok in a vacuum.

Simple.

But don't let facts, science & experimental evidence distract from your lying...

Toodle-pip, Losers!

Rocket with fuel, and spent fuel = TWO objects! 1, and 2! Can you count? or do you still think that is one object?

If a rocket is one object I guess even a car's engine is one object, isn't it? It burns fuel and creates pressure yet it manages to act a force F=pA on the piston which are internal to it.... I guess is some  trick from Nasa to make us spend money on useless gasoline

Rocket with fuel, and spent fuel = TWO objects! 1, and 2! Can you count? or do you still think that is one object?

Sorry, but can you repeat that in Science please?

Because I have no idea what you are trying to imply.

We can tell you get confused easy.

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 10:40:58 AM

Rocket with fuel, and spent fuel = TWO objects! 1, and 2! Can you count? or do you still think that is one object?

Sorry, but can you repeat that in Science please?

Because I have no idea what you are trying to imply.

Question is simple papa. Do we agree that an exothermic reaction happens in rocket and gas expands. OK then. Do we agree that this creates energy. Now gas expands we are set right? You say there is no opposing force so rocket wouldn't move. And I ask you papa where does the excess energy go. How did the momentum of the system change with no external force?? How did that happen?? How did the whole system gain momentum without an external force?

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 10:40:58 AM

Rocket with fuel, and spent fuel = TWO objects! 1, and 2! Can you count? or do you still think that is one object?

Sorry, but can you repeat that in Science please?

Because I have no idea what you are trying to imply.

Oh please, as if you would understand it even if I did "repeat that in Science".

Here is another analogy of how rockets work (it's really a simple observation of things almost anyone can experience):

Imagine the rocket is a gun, the fuel before take-off is the un-fired bullet cartridge in the firing chamber, and the bullet is the burnt fuel expelling the rocket. Now, pull the trigger (ignite the rocket fuel). The gunpowder burns creating pressure between the walls in the firing chamber and the bullet, thus propelling the bullet forward and out of the barrel (this illustrates the relationship between the rocket and the spent fuel). Notice that the gun has recoil. The recoil of the gun is the same counter-action that the rocket experiences when expelling spent fuel. Is it also impossible to fire a gun in a vacuum? What would happen to the gun if you were to fire it remotely while it is suspended in a near-frictionless vacuum? Would the effect be the same if the gun was firing blanks?

Edit: Please refer me to one of your posts where you explain anything "in science" so that I have a reference point.

You FE'ers have been (up until now) patiently waiting for me to 'break down' and have a 'psychotic episode' or whatever it is you're anticipating. On the other hand, I don't have to wait for you to exemplify this behavior. Every post is a mental breakdown or psychotic episode!

Oh please, as if you would understand it even if I did "repeat that in Science".

Try me.

Cos you ain't used any so far.

Example:

Here is another analogy of how rockets work

LOL!!!

Had a gutful of 'analogies', loser.

All bullshit.

Here's more of your bullshit:

You FE'ers

Legion & me ain't flat earthers.

And we're who you're arguing with, Stevie Wonder.

We've told you enough times too.

But, like with Free Expansion, when it comes to Facts, Logic, Science & Experiments you just stick your fingers in your ears.

Now GTFO.

A rocket is quite obviously ONE object; look at one & count it for proof of what I say.

I'm not talking about the rocket as a whole.  I'm talking about the different parts that make up the rocket.

You do understand that one object can be made of many parts, don't you?

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 11:55:13 AM

Oh please, as if you would understand it even if I did "repeat that in Science".

Try me.

Cos you ain't used any so far.

Example:

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 11:55:13 AM

Here is another analogy of how rockets work

LOL!!!

Had a gutful of 'analogies', loser.

All bullshit.

Here's more of your bullshit:

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 12:06:25 PM

You FE'ers

Legion & me ain't flat earthers.

And we're who you're arguing with, Stevie Wonder.

We've told you enough times too.

But, like with Free Expansion, when it comes to Facts, Logic, Science & Experiments you just stick your fingers in your ears.

Now GTFO.

Papa you haven't answered my question. If rocket and gas are one object. And if the gas moves but doest create an opposing force. System gains momentum without an external force. Please explain how does this work? Cotradict yourself much

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 11:55:13 AM

Oh please, as if you would understand it even if I did "repeat that in Science".

Try me.

Cos you ain't used any so far.

Example:

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 11:55:13 AM

Here is another analogy of how rockets work

LOL!!!

Had a gutful of 'analogies', loser.

All bullshit.

Here's more of your bullshit:

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 25, 2016, 12:06:25 PM

You FE'ers

Legion & me ain't flat earthers.

And we're who you're arguing with, Stevie Wonder.

We've told you enough times too.

But, like with Free Expansion, when it comes to Facts, Logic, Science & Experiments you just stick your fingers in your ears.

Now GTFO.

What really? You don't believe in the flat Earth? I surely thought that with your minuscule understanding of physics, you would have fallen under their spell by now. Also, I never believe anything you tell me so, why would one inconsequential sentence stick to my memory?

How does the property of free expansion disprove rockets working in space? Mr. "Science & Experiments"  I want science and experiments that prove this (haha)

I'll admit, my knowledge of technical jargon is very limited. I'm not really sure what you mean when you say "repeat that in Science". However, this does not discredit the concepts proven in my analogies (analogies which apply to the real world and can be experimented IN THE REAL WORLD OOOOoooOOOoOo000OOOooo  ).

Rocket without fuel = ONE object.

Rocket with fuel = ONE object.

I bet that you're one of those people who think that 1 raindrop + 1 raindrop = 1 raindrop.

I think I have seen this video before on here, it is painfully slow in parts. Please watch it and try to learn what the experiment is demonstrating. When the atmosphere is pulled away from the nozzle with a vacuum, the cart slows way down or does not move at all.
 It demonstrates that the cart is pushing off of the atmosphere. It is not demonstrating that a higher pressure in the front part of the ballon moves the cart.

 ALL NASA DEFENDERS, PLEASE TRY TO ABSORB SOME NEW KNOWLEDGE FOR ONCE.
THERE IS NO NEED TO KEEP DEFENDING FAILURE.(unless your paycheck demands it)

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Thanks for posting that,  I always wondered what Papa Legba looked like in real life.  I especially liked his method of creating a vacuum...   LOL!

What a classic retard!

That video was shit. I did skip to the end to see the balloon on the car move when the vacuum was applied to the end of it. What did that show?
Furthermore applying a vacuum to the end is not the same as being in a vacuum. Just applying it to the end creates a force from the air making it's way into the tube. In a vacuum this force doesn't exist.  Over 0 out of 5 stars. Too much retarded in the video to get any stars.

That video was shit. I did skip to the end to see the balloon on the car move when the vacuum was applied to the end of it. What did that show?

It showed that the cart slows way down or does not move at all, when the atmosphere is removed from the end of the nozzle. The atmosphere was removed with the vacuum cleaner. The cart moves much better when the atmosphere is undisturbed.

Quote from: sokarul on February 25, 2016, 05:16:23 PM

That video was shit. I did skip to the end to see the balloon on the car move when the vacuum was applied to the end of it. What did that show?

It showed that the cart slows way down or does not move at all, when the atmosphere is removed from the end of the nozzle. The atmosphere was removed with the vacuum cleaner. The cart moves much better when the atmosphere is undisturbed.

The vacuum cleaner is applying a force and moving the air.  A vacuum can create no force as it is nothing.

Quote from: sokarul on February 25, 2016, 05:16:23 PM

That video was shit. I did skip to the end to see the balloon on the car move when the vacuum was applied to the end of it. What did that show?

It showed that the cart slows way down or does not move at all, when the atmosphere is removed from the end of the nozzle. The atmosphere was removed with the vacuum cleaner. The cart moves much better when the atmosphere is undisturbed.

There is a force being applied to the car. Why isn't he using a car with bearings? Notice how slow the car moves to begin with?

The atmosphere was removed with the vacuum cleaner.

Seriously?   

Quote from: hoppy on February 25, 2016, 05:21:10 PM

The atmosphere was removed with the vacuum cleaner.

Seriously?

WTF do you think happened?