Why do astronauts on board ISS float around

Quote from: markjo on January 11, 2016, 09:32:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 11, 2016, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 10, 2016, 06:01:45 PM

Scepti, the most basic concepts are generally easy enough for a child to understand, however real world applications are often far beyond a child's level of understanding.  Again, there's a reason that the term "rocket science" is used to describe something very difficult to understand.

There's also a reason why basic logic outweighs basic bullshit. There's a reason why simplistic reasoning far outweighs nonsensical fantasy.

The only reason why many things are made so complicated to understand for people is because the populace has to be separated into classes so the slaves can be repetitive in serving the masters and are bred to DO - not to think.

Wow.  What utter hogwash.  The reason that many thing are made so complicated to understand is because the closer you look, the more complicated they are.  For example, in principle, starting a car's engine is very simple -  turn the key and it starts.  But what's happening when you turn the key?  Well, turning the key turns activates a whole sequence of events that need to happen in order to start the engine.  If you look deeper, each of those events requires more things to happen and so on.  Most people don't really care what happens when they turn the key so long as the engine starts.  Does that mean that they're slaves to the auto industry masters?

Same thing with floating in orbit.  The principle is fairly simple, but the closer you look, the more complexity you run into.

You get a large 10,000 piece jigsaw. You see a picture on the front of the box. It looks a nice picture. It's a picture of a Porsche.
You open the box to see thousands of little jigsaw pieces.
It now looks daunting. Too many pieces to put together.

You decide to find the 4 corners and all the straight edge borders. Then you look for the most stand out colours.
Before long you have built the jigsaw from bottom up.

Do that with science and things start to look more simple and can be explained in a simple way that can re-start the logic of the most stubborn indoctrinated/ignorant mind.

Perhaps you ought to try that then.

Quote from: markjo on January 11, 2016, 09:32:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 11, 2016, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 10, 2016, 06:01:45 PM

Scepti, the most basic concepts are generally easy enough for a child to understand, however real world applications are often far beyond a child's level of understanding.  Again, there's a reason that the term "rocket science" is used to describe something very difficult to understand.

There's also a reason why basic logic outweighs basic bullshit. There's a reason why simplistic reasoning far outweighs nonsensical fantasy.

The only reason why many things are made so complicated to understand for people is because the populace has to be separated into classes so the slaves can be repetitive in serving the masters and are bred to DO - not to think.

Wow.  What utter hogwash.  The reason that many thing are made so complicated to understand is because the closer you look, the more complicated they are.  For example, in principle, starting a car's engine is very simple -  turn the key and it starts.  But what's happening when you turn the key?  Well, turning the key turns activates a whole sequence of events that need to happen in order to start the engine.  If you look deeper, each of those events requires more things to happen and so on.  Most people don't really care what happens when they turn the key so long as the engine starts.  Does that mean that they're slaves to the auto industry masters?

Same thing with floating in orbit.  The principle is fairly simple, but the closer you look, the more complexity you run into.

You get a large 10,000 piece jigsaw. You see a picture on the front of the box. It looks a nice picture. It's a picture of a Porsche.
You open the box to see thousands of little jigsaw pieces.
It now looks daunting. Too many pieces to put together.

You decide to find the 4 corners and all the straight edge borders. Then you look for the most stand out colours.
Before long you have built the jigsaw from bottom up.

Do that with science and things start to look more simple and can be explained in a simple way that can re-start the logic of the most stubborn indoctrinated/ignorant mind.

I suggest you go forth and build some jigsaws then, because you are well and truly indoctrinated by FE trolls. You talk a load of bollox but it just dosn't have the jizz

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 11, 2016, 12:44:11 PM

Quote from: markjo on January 11, 2016, 09:32:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 11, 2016, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 10, 2016, 06:01:45 PM

Scepti, the most basic concepts are generally easy enough for a child to understand, however real world applications are often far beyond a child's level of understanding.  Again, there's a reason that the term "rocket science" is used to describe something very difficult to understand.

There's also a reason why basic logic outweighs basic bullshit. There's a reason why simplistic reasoning far outweighs nonsensical fantasy.

The only reason why many things are made so complicated to understand for people is because the populace has to be separated into classes so the slaves can be repetitive in serving the masters and are bred to DO - not to think.

Wow.  What utter hogwash.  The reason that many thing are made so complicated to understand is because the closer you look, the more complicated they are.  For example, in principle, starting a car's engine is very simple -  turn the key and it starts.  But what's happening when you turn the key?  Well, turning the key turns activates a whole sequence of events that need to happen in order to start the engine.  If you look deeper, each of those events requires more things to happen and so on.  Most people don't really care what happens when they turn the key so long as the engine starts.  Does that mean that they're slaves to the auto industry masters?

Same thing with floating in orbit.  The principle is fairly simple, but the closer you look, the more complexity you run into.

You get a large 10,000 piece jigsaw. You see a picture on the front of the box. It looks a nice picture. It's a picture of a Porsche.
You open the box to see thousands of little jigsaw pieces.
It now looks daunting. Too many pieces to put together.

You decide to find the 4 corners and all the straight edge borders. Then you look for the most stand out colours.
Before long you have built the jigsaw from bottom up.

Do that with science and things start to look more simple and can be explained in a simple way that can re-start the logic of the most stubborn indoctrinated/ignorant mind.

Perhaps you ought to try that then.

Already have. It works. It allows your mind to see past the bullshit.

You get a large 10,000 piece jigsaw. You see a picture on the front of the box. It looks a nice picture. It's a picture of a Porsche.
You open the box to see thousands of little jigsaw pieces.
It now looks daunting. Too many pieces to put together.

You decide to find the 4 corners and all the straight edge borders. Then you look for the most stand out colours.
Before long you have built the jigsaw from bottom up.

Do that with science and things start to look more simple and can be explained in a simple way that can re-start the logic of the most stubborn indoctrinated/ignorant mind.

A jigsaw puzzle is just one level of complexity.  Many things that science deals with have several levels of complexity.

Take a car, for example.

At first glance you have a car that you can get in and drive just fine.

Then you look under the hood and see the engine, transmission, suspension and other major components.

Look at the engine and you will see that the engine has cylinders, pistons, fuel injectors, and so on.

Look at a piston and you will see that it is made of a special alloy of metals that has been precision machined to optimize performance.

See, layers of complexity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 11, 2016, 12:44:11 PM

You get a large 10,000 piece jigsaw. You see a picture on the front of the box. It looks a nice picture. It's a picture of a Porsche.
You open the box to see thousands of little jigsaw pieces.
It now looks daunting. Too many pieces to put together.

You decide to find the 4 corners and all the straight edge borders. Then you look for the most stand out colours.
Before long you have built the jigsaw from bottom up.

Do that with science and things start to look more simple and can be explained in a simple way that can re-start the logic of the most stubborn indoctrinated/ignorant mind.

A jigsaw puzzle is just one level of complexity.  Many things that science deals with have several levels of complexity.

Take a car, for example.

At first glance you have a car that you can get in and drive just fine.

Then you look under the hood and see the engine, transmission, suspension and other major components.

Look at the engine and you will see that the engine has cylinders, pistons, fuel injectors, and so on.

Look at a piston and you will see that it is made of a special alloy of metals that has been precision machined to optimize performance.

See, layers of complexity.

Of course. If you read between the lines, it's exactly what I'm saying and it's down to breaking everything right down to the bare bones and realising that there is a simplicity about all of it. The major issue is when that simplicity is shrouded in secrecy and mystery.
Instead of making things easier for people, they sling them a curve ball in certain circumstances if it can further an agenda.

In this case it's space craft of all descriptions from probes to rockets to stations to satellites and so on.
Take the shuttle bi-pod bolt. You wonder how a bolt can be so strong to hold this mammoth machine to a tank and wonder what metal it's made of.
Apparently it's unobtanium.

They might as well tell us it's made of rocking horse shit.

Take the shuttle bi-pod bolt. You wonder how a bolt can be so strong to hold this mammoth machine to a tank and wonder what metal it's made of.

Rather than wonder, why not look it up?

What are the specs?

Apparently it's unobtanium.^{[citation needed]}

Even if they've quit making new ones, there may still be some NOS in storage somewhere.

They might as well tell us it's made of rocking horse shit.

Is that more suitable for this application than unicorn feces?

At any rate, if you care, you could probably find out. If you don't care, what's your point?