ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH

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ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« on: September 19, 2015, 05:21:03 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

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P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015, 06:18:59 AM »
Exactly what I waited for. Earth rotation simply isn't possible on a flat earth, as your video wonderfully proves it. ;)

However, we do observe Earth's rotation (for example with Foucault's pendulum). So the Earth simply cannot be flat. :D


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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2015, 06:56:18 AM »
Funny boy, read, watch and learn :

If there is no rotation of the earth the earth has to be flat, everything explained here :

1. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1661480#msg1661480
2. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1659899#msg1659899
3. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1660101#msg1660101
4. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1669224#msg1669224

The final proof : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
The final proof II : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
The final proof III : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
The final proof IV : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy the truth!


I do agree the Earth we already know may be and all indicates to be flat... yet the portion already mapped is not conclusive and most likely beyond the ice barrier there may be more Earth, as the globe may be much bigger... and with a moon to each section... it can also be flat but very very big... in fact you can even have a square outside the circular ice barrier... you can even have a cube with each side having its own moon... that would make gravity work on a large cube with us knowing just one of the surfaces, which is flat with a magnetic center surrounded by a circular barrier of ice...

don't be short on your vision... remember... a point (magnetic center) within a circle (ice barrier) within a square (part of the cube)

Hope this helps you on your search.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2015, 07:03:12 AM »
cik back with the absolutely failed ZIG ZAG argument again... Alpha must be feeling an irritation right about now.
Again cik, your failures as to visualization are not proof of anything.

Side note, I applaud your use of links instead of copy pasta.  Good job.

also pretty much all of your arguments have been thoroughly refuted, by many in many different ways. 
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2015, 09:17:57 AM »
Mikey, why won't you at least try to refute this argument? You can try your "small parallax" idiocy, again... LOL
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2015, 10:26:22 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2015, 12:38:21 PM »
29silhouette, your needle stuck in a groove...

ZigZag argument has nothing to do with the distance to the sun, whatsoever...
Your funny attempt to refute my Star-Trails argument is equally idiotic!!! LOL

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2015, 01:29:58 PM »
You really don't think the distance to the sun matters?
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2015, 02:46:34 PM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2015, 03:16:33 PM »
29silhouette, your needle stuck in a groove...
Ironic, coming from the one who posts a video with the same audio dialogue looping over and over.

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ZigZag argument has nothing to do with the distance to the sun, whatsoever...
Actually, it does.  Think about it.

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Your funny attempt to refute my Star-Trails argument is equally idiotic!!! LOL
No, the idiocy is all in your argument.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2015, 11:28:36 PM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2015, 12:45:19 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2015, 01:13:47 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2015, 01:43:46 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

You don't observe it because you're looking at it very near from sea level and without telescopes, but if you stand at the top of the Alps, with a powerful telescope, you can clearly see one Sun disappearing on its trajectory as at the same time a second Sun appears from the opposite direction... this happens because while one Sun moves to its trajectory on other face of this cubic Earth another Sun starts its trajectory on this face of the cube... you have not one, neither two, but four Suns doing their trajectory around four faces of this cubic Earth... the Sun takes 24 hours to move from one side of the face of the cube to the opposite side of the face of the cube, when another Sun enters this face of the cube to its 24 hours journey... it's quite simple actually. (but there are not only four Suns, but six, and the movement is gradient).
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2015, 02:08:09 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

You don't observe it because you're looking at it very near from sea level and without telescopes, but if you stand at the top of the Alps, with a powerful telescope, you can clearly see one Sun disappearing on its trajectory as at the same time a second Sun appears from the opposite direction... this happens because while one Sun moves to its trajectory on other face of this cubic Earth another Sun starts its trajectory on this face of the cube... you have not one, neither two, but four Suns doing their trajectory around four faces of this cubic Earth... the Sun takes 24 hours to move from one side of the face of the cube to the opposite side of the face of the cube, when another Sun enters this face of the cube to its 24 hours journey... it's quite simple actually. (but there are not only four Suns, but six, and the movement is gradient).


what? 6 suns? :|
So why hasn't anyone ever looked through a telescope after sunset and saw the sun still up there in the distance? that would prove beyond all doubt that the earth is flat, and so easily too. i'm sure someone did that already and the sun just wasn't there anymore, or else we would've seen the whole YouTube talking about it.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2015, 02:18:02 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

You don't observe it because you're looking at it very near from sea level and without telescopes, but if you stand at the top of the Alps, with a powerful telescope, you can clearly see one Sun disappearing on its trajectory as at the same time a second Sun appears from the opposite direction... this happens because while one Sun moves to its trajectory on other face of this cubic Earth another Sun starts its trajectory on this face of the cube... you have not one, neither two, but four Suns doing their trajectory around four faces of this cubic Earth... the Sun takes 24 hours to move from one side of the face of the cube to the opposite side of the face of the cube, when another Sun enters this face of the cube to its 24 hours journey... it's quite simple actually. (but there are not only four Suns, but six, and the movement is gradient).


what? 6 suns? :|
So why hasn't anyone ever looked through a telescope after sunset and saw the sun still up there in the distance? that would prove beyond all doubt that the earth is flat, and so easily too. i'm sure someone did that already and the sun just wasn't there anymore, or else we would've seen the whole YouTube talking about it.

As I said before, to see the Sun is still there you must look from the top of a really high mountains range, and use a powerful telescope... the Sun does disappear but only when it reaches the end of this flat square face of the cube, but at the same time that happens, if we look not to the front where the Sun disappears but to our back, another Sun is just starting its 24 hours trajectory on this side of the cube. This works beyond any reasonable doubt.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2015, 03:50:13 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2015, 03:50:55 AM »
29silhouette, your needle stuck in a groove...

ZigZag argument has nothing to do with the distance to the sun, whatsoever...
Your funny attempt to refute my Star-Trails argument is equally idiotic!!! LOL

PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER, FINALLY!!!

Hey,  welcome back silk pajamas,   I've missed your unique sense of geometric spatial awareness....   

You are completely wrong of course,   if you try  keeping things to scale I'm sure it will all become clear.

The stars are really, really really REALLY,  fucking REALLY far away,   you might think it's a long way to the corner shop,  but that's just peanuts compared to space.... space is big,   mind bogglingly huge,  you can't even begin to comprehend how huge space really is.....    the NEAREST star is  4 light years away..   trust me, that's further than from your home to the nearest pub.


Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2015, 03:57:52 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.
Math is the language of the universe.

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We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2015, 04:03:25 AM »
29silhouette, your needle stuck in a groove...

ZigZag argument has nothing to do with the distance to the sun, whatsoever...
Your funny attempt to refute my Star-Trails argument is equally idiotic!!! LOL

PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER, FINALLY!!!

Hey,  welcome back silk pajamas,   I've missed your unique sense of geometric spatial awareness....   

You are completely wrong of course,   if you try  keeping things to scale I'm sure it will all become clear.

The stars are really, really really REALLY,  fucking REALLY far away,   you might think it's a long way to the corner shop,  but that's just peanuts compared to space.... space is big,   mind bogglingly huge,  you can't even begin to comprehend how huge space really is.....    the NEAREST star is  4 light years away..   trust me, that's further than from your home to the nearest pub.

Stars are not really far away... to understand that you need to understand how your eyes and vision work... when you do than you can easily calculate the distance of each star without any complex tools.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2015, 04:35:45 AM »
29silhouette, your needle stuck in a groove...

ZigZag argument has nothing to do with the distance to the sun, whatsoever...
Your funny attempt to refute my Star-Trails argument is equally idiotic!!! LOL

PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER, FINALLY!!!

Hey,  welcome back silk pajamas,   I've missed your unique sense of geometric spatial awareness....   

You are completely wrong of course,   if you try  keeping things to scale I'm sure it will all become clear.

The stars are really, really really REALLY,  fucking REALLY far away,   you might think it's a long way to the corner shop,  but that's just peanuts compared to space.... space is big,   mind bogglingly huge,  you can't even begin to comprehend how huge space really is.....    the NEAREST star is  4 light years away..   trust me, that's further than from your home to the nearest pub.

Hey funny NASA shill, i haven't noticed any attempt of refuting my STAR-TRAILS argument so far. How come? Let me guess? There is no possible way of refuting such mind boggling irrefutable argument? Not even one lousy attempt? - It says it all, wouldn't you agree with me?

Well, since you are unable to even try to refute my irrefutable STAR-TRAILS argument, i've got something "easier" for you:

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

If you are too lazy to watch a whole video, you can skip at 18min50sec, there you are going to find one interesting diagram with accompanying HC enigma (dead end), so called "133 days"...Let us see how you and your RE friends are going to crack this new unsolvable HC problem...LOL
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2015, 04:58:52 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.

Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2015, 05:05:29 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.

Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

.

Please clean up that post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Grammatically it is a disaster, and as I am no native English speaker it is hard to understand.

The only thing I understood is that you think we can't see height, which is a clear lie from you. Our depth perception has nothing to do with it, which you seem to think.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2015, 05:14:13 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.

Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

.

Please clean up that post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Grammatically it is a disaster, and as I am no native English speaker it is hard to understand.

The only thing I understood is that you think we can't see height, which is a clear lie from you. Our depth perception has nothing to do with it, which you seem to think.

What I wrote is grammatically perfect but I'll move away some words so you understand more clearly:

the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically is because the Sun does not get smaller at all, but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

Since you are not an English native speaker, if you still do not understand I advise you to take a few more English lessons.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2015, 05:36:09 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.

Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

.

Please clean up that post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Grammatically it is a disaster, and as I am no native English speaker it is hard to understand.

The only thing I understood is that you think we can't see height, which is a clear lie from you. Our depth perception has nothing to do with it, which you seem to think.

What I wrote is grammatically perfect but I'll move away some words so you understand more clearly:

the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically is because the Sun does not get smaller at all, but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

Since you are not an English native speaker, if you still do not understand I advise you to take a few more English lessons.

.

Thank you, a lot cleaner and easier to understand.

So the sun does not get smaller because our vertical viewing angle narrows? Why does it do that? And that would mean that everything we see would be taller than it actually is, not just the sun. We don't see that.

What we do see is that the sun does in fact disappear vertically, it's bottom get obscured first.
Our optical angle is about equal horizontally and vertically, since our eyes are focusing at the same point. And one individual eye has equal optical angle in every direction. And I don't see how this would manipulate our image of the sun (and only the sun!) depending on it's position in the sky.

And yet again you speak of our depth perception as if it had something to do with this phenomenon. Maybe it has, but you seem to think that depth perception is horizontal perception, which makes you wrong from the beginning of that statement.

An example of your bad grammar:
Quote
yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye

So if you close an eye and then close it? I understand that you meant the other eye, but it doesn't make it right.


Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2015, 05:52:33 AM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!
Your 'zigzag' conundrum has been refuted before, and will be refuted again.  You're basing it off the sun being 3000 miles away, but that is the FET distance.  RET is 93million miles, so the arctic sun video shows what is to be expected. 

As for the star-trails, you're confusing time-lapse photography with long-exposure photography again.
93 million mile ? Have you  done any investigating as to how that figure was derived.  Numerous  mathematical  calculation , have been touted as being correct. Based on useing that sun distance . The problem is that distance has never been correct from the start. That fact has been kept out of the big picture.  Simply because it means all the calculation & theories that have used that mesurement for their calcuations . Cant be right. What an embarrassment that would be to own up to. Ps do you think they will come clean about that. You bet they wont, they will just keep lying their ass of saving face & keep getting their pay cheque & talking shit.
Well there is the whole "sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it gets further away" problem facing a model where the sun isn't 93 million miles away.

It doesn't get smaller in its diameter but vertically... the further it goes the less you see the bottom... it's because your eyes are limited to watch just up to a distance and always more from the top to the bottom... just like when you walk a street the lamp posts always look lower until you stop seeing them... the more close the post lamps are to you the higher they look to you... but they are all at the same high... it's an optical illusion that the Sun is coming down... it's actually going at the same high all the time. If you use equipment to watch the Sun when Sun looks like having disappeared you can clearly see that the Sun is still above. not under the horizon... the more resolution you have on the equipment you use the further you can see the Sun above.

And this is exactly what we don't observe, which we would observe if the earth was flat. Which is another evidence against FE.

This is exactly what we DO observe : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Thanks for posting a video that agrees with my point, we don't observe the sun getting smaller vertically, which we would observe on a spotlight sun.

Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

.

Please clean up that post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Grammatically it is a disaster, and as I am no native English speaker it is hard to understand.

The only thing I understood is that you think we can't see height, which is a clear lie from you. Our depth perception has nothing to do with it, which you seem to think.

What I wrote is grammatically perfect but I'll move away some words so you understand more clearly:

the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically is because the Sun does not get smaller at all, but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

Since you are not an English native speaker, if you still do not understand I advise you to take a few more English lessons.

.

Thank you, a lot cleaner and easier to understand.

So the sun does not get smaller because our vertical viewing angle narrows? Why does it do that? And that would mean that everything we see would be taller than it actually is, not just the sun. We don't see that.

What we do see is that the sun does in fact disappear vertically, it's bottom get obscured first.
Our optical angle is about equal horizontally and vertically, since our eyes are focusing at the same point. And one individual eye has equal optical angle in every direction. And I don't see how this would manipulate our image of the sun (and only the sun!) depending on it's position in the sky.

And yet again you speak of our depth perception as if it had something to do with this phenomenon. Maybe it has, but you seem to think that depth perception is horizontal perception, which makes you wrong from the beginning of that statement.

An example of your bad grammar:
Quote
yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye

So if you close an eye and then close it? I understand that you meant the other eye, but it doesn't make it right.

You don't say horizontally and depth... there's just horizontally, left to right or right to left, and vertically, up and down...

Your quoting of my words is partial... stop messing around and use that time for some English lessons, otherwise communication is not possible.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2015, 06:16:38 AM »
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You don't say horizontally and depth... there's just horizontally, left to right or right to left, and vertically, up and down...

There's 3 dimensions, and we can perceive them all. Depth is harder the greater the distance, and can be fooled more easily. Your example with the sun "changing position" (which only happens if you focus on another object than the sun) is an example of our depth perception, and does not tell us anything about our "optical angle".

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Your quoting of my words is partial... stop messing around and use that time for some English lessons, otherwise communication is not possible.

Quote
Hi,
the reason why the Sun doesn't get smaller vertically but your vertical viewing angle narrows and you stop seeing it at the bottom because the Sun it's closer to the Earth's surface than the top of the Sky's ceiling, the Sun does not disappear vertically because your optical angle is wider horizontally, yet if you close one eye the position of the Sun changes, and if you close the eye you have open and open the other eye the Sun will look like in a different position again... this optical illusion relates to the capability of your eyes, and the angle of vision your eyes can perceive horizontally is wider than the angle of vision your eyes can perceive vertically.

Grammatically, this will be perceived as:

The reason to why the sun does not get smaller but instead (bold part) is because ...(you didn't write why.)
You probably mean to add "is because" or something similar in there, but I can't quite see where. Also you made it all into one, huge sentence.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2015, 01:35:24 PM »
Do you remember my ZIGZAG argument? Haven't you heard for my NEW argument against the rotation of the earth? THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT OF ALL TIMES AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Enjoy it!!!

P.S. Oh, yes, and try to refute it if you can!!!

Well, that was a waste of time to watch. How long did it take you to put that thing together?

I see you're still making the same mistake you were making before. You have the Sun and stars way too close when making your "zigzag" argument. If the Sun were about the diameter of the Arctic Circle (roughly 3,000 miles) distant, then we would see it zig-zagging due to parallax. But it's not nearly that close, so we don't. How about running a similar visualization, but put the Sun 30,000 times further away, where it really is, and see how much "zig-zag" you'd see. I thought we'd already cleared that up. Oh well.

As for the star trails part, can you write out what you were trying to say about the direction of the trails and how it's opposite the way you think they should be? It didn't make any sense when watching - I even skipped back once to hear it again, and I don't want to waste any more time. That's one of the reasons why I don't like videos for this type of thing: unlike text, it's not easy to refer back to (and carefully parse out, if necessary) what's been said earlier to compare with what's said later.

Also, why do your star-trail videos mostly show only the part of the circumpolar sky below the North Celestial Pole? Above the pole, the stars move from right to left. What does that do to your argument? Is that why you don't show it? I hope the omission was inadvertent; intentionally omitting the footage inconsistent with your conclusions would be dishonest.

Regardless, no, you haven't discovered something that's been overlooked before. The apparent motion of stars, circumpolar and otherwise, is entirely consistent with the Earth rotating from west to east. Sorry.

If you think 93,000,000 miles to the Sun is a long way, it's a mere trifle compared to the distance to even the nearest stars. The 67,000 mi/hr (or whatever) orbital speed and the diameter of the Earth's orbit is tiny to insignificance compared with those distances.

Why do you have some of the planets orbiting the Sun in the opposite direction as others in your visualization of the planets in the solar system? They all orbit in the same direction and rotate in the same direction, too (with the exception of Uranus, which has axial tilt greater than 90°).

Oh, yeah... the Sun is very close to perfectly spherical even though it does rotate, with a flattening of about 9 X 10-6 (0.000009). By comparison, the Earth's flattening is about 3 X 10-3 (0.003). For one thing, the Sun rotates very slowly (once in about 25 days). Even so, its flattening is less than expected, and AFAIK, no one really knows why. Do you know the provenance of the noticeably "squashed" picture of the Sun? Just grabbing some random picture from the Internet without any information about how it was acquired and what was done to it, and trying to analyze it is futile. Also, where did the "up and down" Venus transit video come from? Do you know if it was taken from a satellite? The transit lasted about six hours, and the amount and rate of the shifting seems to be consistent with a low-earth-orbit satellite.

Anyway, welcome back! Sorry to be so slow replying. I was out of town most of last week doing more interesting things than answering posts here.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2015, 05:25:57 PM »
Why do you have some of the planets orbiting the Sun in the opposite direction as others in your visualization of the planets in the solar system? They all orbit in the same direction and rotate in the same direction, too (with the exception of Uranus, which has axial tilt greater than 90°).

Actually Venus rotates clockwise.  That doesn't invalidate your point or anything, I am just pointing that out.
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