What Is The Worst Flat Earth Fallacy ?

Quote from: Poko on July 20, 2015, 11:22:09 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2015, 10:16:44 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 18, 2015, 03:24:50 AM

Keep going till you find the spot where the South Celestial Pole is Directly Overhead and you are there.  Compasses wont' help.

It seems that a fairly common RE fallacy is that the magnetic poles are anywhere near the geographic poles.

The magnetic poles are actually quite close to the geographic poles. Currently, the magnetic north pole is just 4 degrees south of the geographic north pole.

Incorrect.  It's closer to 14 degrees south of the pole.
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1kH_dmq5NyiHNDAjET0VJlu6KPqMC0xfPEWm-zQQ#rows:id=1

As far as I can tell the link say 85.791 degrees. This would be 4.209 degrees off, unless you went off 100 degrees as the South Pole, then you get 14. Please note this would be wrong.

Another fallacy:

The conspiracy started with Aristotle when he said earth is round about 300 BC. And that this conspiracy held through all these centuries involving millions of people through the ages and not a single one of them talked

Maybe Aristotle was the father of NASA... And he casted a spell on all his followers to keep them quite.

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up. 

A common FE fallacy is to throw out unsupported claims as fact.

Quote from: Pavarotti on July 20, 2015, 12:58:23 PM

Another fallacy:

The conspiracy started with Aristotle when he said earth is round about 300 BC. And that this conspiracy held through all these centuries involving millions of people through the ages and not a single one of them talked

Maybe Aristotle was the father of NASA... And he casted a spell on all his followers to keep them quite.

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up.

Wait, it's a RE fallacy that there is no NASA whistleblowers that has confirmed a FLAT EARTH? That's a positive fallacy in my books.

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up.

The painter/comedian guy constitutes a singular so called NASA whistleblower claiming the Earth is flat.  So one guy. 

Quote from: jroa on July 20, 2015, 02:10:01 PM

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up.

The painter/comedian guy constitutes a singular so called NASA whistleblower claiming the Earth is flat.  So one guy. 

You mean Math Boylan, the guy who claims that NASA used to pay him to fake photos.  But, don't forget the most famous NASA whistle blower, Thomas Baron.  NASA killed him and his whole family the day before he was to testify before congress about NASA's deceit.

Here is a link.  http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Thomas+Baron+Silenced+for+Attempting+to+Expose+the+Truth&highlight=Nasa

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 20, 2015, 02:32:03 PM

Quote from: jroa on July 20, 2015, 02:10:01 PM

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up.

The painter/comedian guy constitutes a singular so called NASA whistleblower claiming the Earth is flat.  So one guy. 

You mean Math Boylan, the guy who claims that NASA used to pay him to fake photos.  But, don't forget the most famous NASA whistle blower, Thomas Baron.  NASA killed him and his whole family the day before he was to testify before congress about NASA's deceit.

You have a strange definition of before.  When his car was struck by a train 6 days AFTER his testimony

Six days after his testimony, Baron was killed instantly, along with his wife and stepdaughter, when a train crashed into their car near their home in Florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron
Oh and he was blowing the whistle on safety concerns not about the flatness of the earth.

Unless you have some evidence to support your claim...

I would have to go for the fact that there are no flat earth maps.

I would have to go for the fact that there are no flat earth maps.

They exist, the distances just don't add up.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on July 20, 2015, 03:31:18 PM

I would have to go for the fact that there are no flat earth maps.

They exist, the distances just don't add up.

Which brings us to another FE fallacy.  That math is a lie.

I nominate sceptimatic.

I nominate sceptimatic.

We are talking about fallacies, not phallus.

Quote from: Poko on July 20, 2015, 11:22:09 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2015, 10:16:44 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 18, 2015, 03:24:50 AM

Keep going till you find the spot where the South Celestial Pole is Directly Overhead and you are there.  Compasses wont' help.

It seems that a fairly common RE fallacy is that the magnetic poles are anywhere near the geographic poles.

The magnetic poles are actually quite close to the geographic poles. Currently, the magnetic north pole is just 4 degrees south of the geographic north pole.

Incorrect.  It's closer to 14 degrees south of the pole.
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1kH_dmq5NyiHNDAjET0VJlu6KPqMC0xfPEWm-zQQ#rows:id=1

You're looking at the wrong date. Look at the position in 2015.

Quote from: jroa on July 20, 2015, 02:59:01 PM

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 20, 2015, 02:32:03 PM

Quote from: jroa on July 20, 2015, 02:10:01 PM

It seems to be a common RE fallacy that there have never been NASA whistle blowers.    I wish you people would do some research and quit making stuff up.

The painter/comedian guy constitutes a singular so called NASA whistleblower claiming the Earth is flat.  So one guy. 

You mean Math Boylan, the guy who claims that NASA used to pay him to fake photos.  But, don't forget the most famous NASA whistle blower, Thomas Baron.  NASA killed him and his whole family the day before he was to testify before congress about NASA's deceit.

You have a strange definition of before.  When his car was struck by a train 6 days AFTER his testimony

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Six days after his testimony, Baron was killed instantly, along with his wife and stepdaughter, when a train crashed into their car near their home in Florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron
Oh and he was blowing the whistle on safety concerns not about the flatness of the earth.

Unless you have some evidence to support your claim...

You beat me to it.  Besides there are far more supposed NASA whistleblowers that claim the existence of aliens.  I can believe in aliens before I can a flat Earth due to evidence, yet neither are convincing.  So i say again, what NASA whistleblowers are claiming the Earth is flat other than the one comedian who painted some stuff for NASA.  If it were, perhaps someone who worked on something technical or had some sort of clearance level to see something, or someone who gives something other than assumptions in the form of a comedy routine, maybe they would be a little more believable.  So no, the whistleblower "evidence" does not hold water.

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2015, 12:18:05 PM

Quote from: Poko on July 20, 2015, 11:22:09 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2015, 10:16:44 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 18, 2015, 03:24:50 AM

Keep going till you find the spot where the South Celestial Pole is Directly Overhead and you are there.  Compasses wont' help.

It seems that a fairly common RE fallacy is that the magnetic poles are anywhere near the geographic poles.

The magnetic poles are actually quite close to the geographic poles. Currently, the magnetic north pole is just 4 degrees south of the geographic north pole.

Incorrect.  It's closer to 14 degrees south of the pole.
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1kH_dmq5NyiHNDAjET0VJlu6KPqMC0xfPEWm-zQQ#rows:id=1

You're looking at the wrong date. Look at the position in 2015.

Okay, so I was tired when I posted that.  Regardless, the magnetic poles are still hundreds of miles away from the geographic poles.

I nominate the goldfish-like memory of most FEs, and the complete inability to ever follow math or logic to an actual conclusion. When shown to be mathematically incorrect, no FE in the history of FE ever cedes a point; rather, they simply vanish from the thread after declaring victory. It's like watching a chess match where one side yells checkmate three moves in, and walks away from the table, having never even played the game (or having a basic grasp of the rules of chess).

A more useful argument would be to find the lowest common denominator that everyone can agree on... and piece together a conclusion, step by step, with a logical argument at the points of contentions, until a consensus is raised on that individual point.

Rather than starting with the premise that the earth is round or flat, start with something small. See if you can agree on some basic geometry. I feel as though FEers rarely have progressed beyond basic arithmetic to even have the discussion, which is why they simply abandon the thread when basic trig is brought up.

I nominate the goldfish-like memory of most FEs, and the complete inability to ever follow math or logic to an actual conclusion. When shown to be mathematically incorrect, no FE in the history of FE ever cedes a point; rather, they simply vanish from the thread after declaring victory. It's like watching a chess match where one side yells checkmate three moves in, and walks away from the table, having never even played the game (or having a basic grasp of the rules of chess).

A more useful argument would be to find the lowest common denominator that everyone can agree on... and piece together a conclusion, step by step, with a logical argument at the points of contentions, until a consensus is raised on that individual point.

Rather than starting with the premise that the earth is round or flat, start with something small. See if you can agree on some basic geometry. I feel as though FEers rarely have progressed beyond basic arithmetic to even have the discussion, which is why they simply abandon the thread when basic trig is brought up.

That is more a problem with flat earth's, not necessarily their theory.

Rather than starting with the premise that the earth is round or flat, start with something small. See if you can agree on some basic geometry. I feel as though FEers rarely have progressed beyond basic arithmetic to even have the discussion, which is why they simply abandon the thread when basic trig is brought up.

I don't even think this is possible. Some flat earthers will simply outright deny certain facts about math and geometry. For example, sceptimatic does not believe in (or refuses to understand) Pythagoras Theorem and trig identities. He does this so that he can deny that parallax can be used to determine the distance to an object. He believes that mathematics and Euclidean geometry are all part of the conspiracy.

I don't really think it counts, but I'm going to nominate religion, or rather, that earth is flat, because god said so. Seriously, so many Flat Earthers bringing religion into a scientific debate. More then half the time, It's not even relevant to the conversation, and they're just trying to snag an easy "victory".

But holly, don't even get me started about jroa and his signature. So what if Hitler believed in the Round Earth theory? Are you implying that if I believe it, I too have the chance of becoming a tyrant and committing mass genocide? Well sheesh, better convert to Flat Earth! I mean come on, It's such a petty signature and it shows how petty some people can get.

I don't really think it counts, but I'm going to nominate religion, or rather, that earth is flat, because god said so. Seriously, so many Flat Earthers bringing religion into a scientific debate. More then half the time, It's not even relevant to the conversation, and they're just trying to snag an easy "victory".

But holly, don't even get me started about jroa and his signature. So what if Hitler believed in the Round Earth theory? Are you implying that if I believe it, I too have the chance of becoming a tyrant and committing mass genocide? Well sheesh, better convert to Flat Earth! I mean come on, It's such a petty signature and it shows how petty some people can get.

Religion ? You mean the churches that have incorporated them selves & join the rest of the body snachers . I believe in the creator  my God. I am his property & nobody else's.  To be sold ,traded  inslaved or salvaged.  I am not a boat or a vessel nor live stock .I am a living breathing man ,heart mined body & soul.

But holly, don't even get me started about jroa and his signature. So what if Hitler believed in the Round Earth theory? Are you implying that if I believe it, I too have the chance of becoming a tyrant and committing mass genocide? Well sheesh, better convert to Flat Earth! I mean come on, It's such a petty signature and it shows how petty some people can get.

That's a beautiful example of an association fallacy:

1 is a number. 2 is a number. Therefore 1 = 2.

You believe the Earth is round. Hitler believed the Earth is round. Hitler was evil. Therefore you are evil.

Are you people all autistic, or is this just an act?

The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

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The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

You do realize that planes are capable of flying at different speeds, right?   

Since charles brought up sonic booms, you do realise to get a flight to make the journey's you are alluding to in the time it actually takes, the commercial planes must be breaking the sound barrier.  Why no sonic booms?  Good logic there jroa.

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Quote from: Wadzworth929 on July 22, 2015, 07:00:26 AM

The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

You do realize that planes are capable of flying at different speeds, right?   

While that might be a convincing rebuttal to a four year old, in the real world it raises far more questions than it answers. Are airlines and airline pilots part of the conspiracy too? Why are airliners more worried about maintaining a gigantic "hoax" than they are about fuel costs and passenger convenience? Wouldn't competition drive airliners to keep flight times as low as possible to attract more passengers and sell more tickets?

Quote from: jroa on July 22, 2015, 07:07:37 AM

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Quote from: Wadzworth929 on July 22, 2015, 07:00:26 AM

The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

You do realize that planes are capable of flying at different speeds, right?   

While that might be a convincing rebuttal to a four year old, in the real world it raises far more questions than it answers. Are airlines and airline pilots part of the conspiracy too? Why are airliners more worried about maintaining a gigantic "hoax" than they are about fuel costs and passenger convenience? Wouldn't competition drive airliners to keep flight times as low as possible to attract more passengers and sell more tickets?

I tried explaining this in another thread about how travel on a globe vs. flat earth worked and ended up getting ignored once parsimony entered the equation.

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Quote from: Wadzworth929 on July 22, 2015, 07:00:26 AM

The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

You do realize that planes are capable of flying at different speeds, right?   

You do realize that the best the flat earthers have come up with so far as far as a map is concerned is the well-known "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection"...right ? And what is it a projection of ? A globe ! And the distances under discussion are simply the result of the distortion due to the projection process. Why isn't there an accurate flat earth map of the entire earth ? Because there isn't a flat earth.

Quote from: jroa on July 22, 2015, 07:07:37 AM

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Quote from: Wadzworth929 on July 22, 2015, 07:00:26 AM

The flat Earth map makes Chile to New Zealand look at least twice as far as California to Japan, and yet both flights take about 12 hours. Hmmm....

You do realize that planes are capable of flying at different speeds, right?   

While that might be a convincing rebuttal to a four year old, in the real world it raises far more questions than it answers. Are airlines and airline pilots part of the conspiracy too? Why are airliners more worried about maintaining a gigantic "hoax" than they are about fuel costs and passenger convenience? Wouldn't competition drive airliners to keep flight times as low as possible to attract more passengers and sell more tickets?

Adding this to the docket of jroa thread-bails...