Holocaust Deniers

I admit to being a little startled to discover the Eric Dubay mob over at ifers were holocaust deniers.  They call it the Holohoax.   They claim not to be anti-semitic, but  equate judaisim with freemasonry and the conspiracy.  It's a bit schizophrenic.

Are there other flat earthers who are holocaust deniers.   Really?   Is it a common part of the flat earth dogma?   Or is this just an Eric Dubay perversion?

I have personally met a holocaust survivor, it was a very interesting experience.

I admit to being a little startled to discover the Eric Dubay mob over at ifers were holocaust deniers.  They call it the Holohoax.   They claim not to be anti-semitic, but  equate judaisim with freemasonry and the conspiracy.  It's a bit schizophrenic.

Are there other flat earthers who are holocaust deniers.   Really?   Is it a common part of the flat earth dogma?   Or is this just an Eric Dubay perversion?

I'd have been very surprised if they weren't Holocaust deniers.

Though I suspect holocaust denial is more a part of being a conspiracy theorist than flat earther per se.  These guys blame a conspiracy for everything from school shootings to earth quakes.  And of course always lurking in the background is "the joos did it!" type reasoning.

I think it depends on whether they are just-believe-the-earth-is-flat stupid, or every-conspiracy-is-true-look-at-me-i'm-so-rebellious-and-fighting-the-man stupid. The latter would probably deny the holocaust.

I admit to being a little startled to discover the Eric Dubay mob over at ifers were holocaust deniers.  They call it the Holohoax.   They claim not to be anti-semitic, but  equate judaisim with freemasonry and the conspiracy.  It's a bit schizophrenic.

Are there other flat earthers who are holocaust deniers.   Really?   Is it a common part of the flat earth dogma?   Or is this just an Eric Dubay perversion?

Writing this  post as you did is pretty creepy. Ask yourself are there any RE holocaust deniers?

Quote from: Rayzor on June 30, 2015, 08:47:56 PM

I admit to being a little startled to discover the Eric Dubay mob over at ifers were holocaust deniers.  They call it the Holohoax.   They claim not to be anti-semitic, but  equate judaisim with freemasonry and the conspiracy.  It's a bit schizophrenic.

Are there other flat earthers who are holocaust deniers.   Really?   Is it a common part of the flat earth dogma?   Or is this just an Eric Dubay perversion?

Writing this  post as you did is pretty creepy. Ask yourself are there any RE holocaust deniers?

Yes, you are right,  I apologise to any flat earthers who felt insulted by the suggestion that all flat earthers were also holocaust deniers,  that's not what I meant.

There are many more RE holocaust deniers that there are flat earthers,   but  what I do find creepy  is that unless you are a holocaust denier in the IFERS dogma, then you must be a shill.    I have no time for the likes of Matt Boylan,  I think he's a modern day Leo Ferrari with a youtube channel,  but  the IFERS mob sure take it a step or two further.

http://ifers.boards.net/thread/574/matt-boylan-jew-apologist-shill

There's also some discussion back and forth about being seen to be associated with the holocaust deniers, and creepier still,  they think that's a good thing and might bring more people to the flat earth cause.   WTF?

Rayzor seems to be getting frenzied over this stuff. He seems to have a terrible hatred of people who do not follow protocol.
Why should it bother him.

Rayzor seems to be getting frenzied over this stuff. He seems to have a terrible hatred of people who do not follow protocol.
Why should it bother him.

No I just don't have any time for holocaust deniers.    Neither should you.

Or is it part of your conspiracy dogma too?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:03:52 AM

Rayzor seems to be getting frenzied over this stuff. He seems to have a terrible hatred of people who do not follow protocol.
Why should it bother him.

No I just don't have any time for holocaust deniers.    Neither should you.

Neither should I?
I'll decide what I follow, not you.
I listen to reasonable arguments not people who just spout stuff out for no particular reason. It depends how you are portraying "deniers".

You see, if you weren't there and are subject to hearsay, like we all are, or most. So by saying you have no time for deniers; if you mean those who simply deny it for no other reason than to follow deniers, then fair enough but don't do it if you are doing it by following the hatred of deniers by following other's who have no more info to the contrary of those deniers.

Are they questioner's or deniers? are they denying through questioning? are they privvy to some knowledge that gives them a reason to deny?

You see, without knowing what was what and having to rely on varying stories, it's hard to simply make any judgement for or against, yet most people will simply follow the story line by nothing other than emotional attachment.

Emotion plays a massive part in how we are conditioned, whether we are told the truth or being fobbed off.
I personally do not know much about it to make any opinion that's worth putting forward in terms of what, how , where and who. If I read an official book, I also need to read unofficial one's to get an insight into different mindset's.
From that I can question things if I so desired.
I prefer not to argue this because people get too emotional, by proxy.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 03:09:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:03:52 AM

Rayzor seems to be getting frenzied over this stuff. He seems to have a terrible hatred of people who do not follow protocol.
Why should it bother him.

No I just don't have any time for holocaust deniers.    Neither should you.

Neither should I?
I'll decide what I follow, not you.
I listen to reasonable arguments not people who just spout stuff out for no particular reason. It depends how you are portraying "deniers".

You see, if you weren't there and are subject to hearsay, like we all are, or most. So by saying you have no time for deniers; if you mean those who simply deny it for no other reason than to follow deniers, then fair enough but don't do it if you are doing it by following the hatred of deniers by following other's who have no more info to the contrary of those deniers.

Are they questioner's or deniers? are they denying through questioning? are they privvy to some knowledge that gives them a reason to deny?

You see, without knowing what was what and having to rely on varying stories, it's hard to simply make any judgement for or against, yet most people will simply follow the story line by nothing other than emotional attachment.

Emotion plays a massive part in how we are conditioned, whether we are told the truth or being fobbed off.
I personally do not know much about it to make any opinion that's worth putting forward in terms of what, how , where and who. If I read an official book, I also need to read unofficial one's to get an insight into different mindset's.
From that I can question things if I so desired.
I prefer not to argue this because people get too emotional, by proxy.

Now who's getting frenzied,   I wonder why that would be?    Is it part of your conspiracy dogma?

Now who's getting frenzied,   I wonder why that would be?    Is it part of your conspiracy dogma?

Calm down, kid.

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 01, 2015, 03:44:36 AM

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Showing us your inadequacies again,   I don't wish to know your problems,   you are avoiding answering the question.

   

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 01, 2015, 03:44:36 AM

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Showing us your inadequacies again,   I don't wish to know your problems,   you are avoiding answering the question.

   

What question. I gave you all the info and got back abuse for it. Act like a twat and you get treated like one. It's simple, Rayzor, you should know this, you're very astute at it.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 01, 2015, 03:44:36 AM

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Showing us your inadequacies again,   I don't wish to know your problems,   you are avoiding answering the question.

   

What question. I gave you all the info and got back abuse for it. Act like a twat and you get treated like one. It's simple, Rayzor, you should know this, you're very astute at it.

Ok,   I'll back off.    You are entitled to keep your opinions to yourself.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 01, 2015, 03:44:36 AM

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Showing us your inadequacies again,   I don't wish to know your problems,   you are avoiding answering the question.

   

What question. I gave you all the info and got back abuse for it. Act like a twat and you get treated like one. It's simple, Rayzor, you should know this, you're very astute at it.

You're accusing somebody else of being a twat? LOL

Going back through your profile, all you can really seem to post is adhominem attacks against REers, rather than actually contribute to anything. This is the definition of a twat.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 04:23:29 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on July 01, 2015, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 01, 2015, 03:44:36 AM

Scepti base mode is frenzied.  Endless rambling, emotional posts about nothing.

Here's crabby giving it large as usual. Soft cock. 

Showing us your inadequacies again,   I don't wish to know your problems,   you are avoiding answering the question.

   

What question. I gave you all the info and got back abuse for it. Act like a twat and you get treated like one. It's simple, Rayzor, you should know this, you're very astute at it.

You're accusing somebody else of being a twat? LOL

Going back through your profile, all you can really seem to post is adhominem attacks against REers, rather than actually contribute to anything. This is the definition of a twat.

Do you people forget your passwords or do you simply like to change them, believing that a new name will have some kind of favourable effect. 

Take a step back Mr nasty.

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type. The one that's always telling you stories about his life in the army or navy, or as a travelling salesman, etc.

You look at him talking and you just know he's spinning yarns of bullshit but the irritation is, you just can't finger him for it. You just hope that one day he will slip up or someone will come along who knows him well, who let's the cat out of the bag with certain things.

Or maybe not. Maybe years go by and you just can't get the truth of a potential lie or the potential truth of what you thought was a lie.

The thing is, does this make you unstable to think like this? does it make you mentally challenged with a disorder?

Maybe if you jumped up and punched him in the face and called out "liar, liar" whilst screaming and jumping about, that this would render you an unstable maniac.

So when people question stuff about mainstream science or happening's throughout history or in the media - why do they have to be mentally unstable?
If just one thing is found to be a lie, then is it not normal for a person to shout, " fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."...?

Now, unless everything about history and our lives, plus what the media spew out, is all the truth with no discrepancies, then I'd say there's no mental disorder to be very distrusting of information pushed onto you, wouldn't you agree?

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type. The one that's always telling you stories about his life in the army or navy, or as a travelling salesman, etc.

You look at him talking and you just know he's spinning yarns of bullshit but the irritation is, you just can't finger him for it. You just hope that one day he will slip up or someone will come along who knows him well, who let's the cat out of the bag with certain things.

Or maybe not. Maybe years go by and you just can't get the truth of a potential lie or the potential truth of what you thought was a lie.

The thing is, does this make you unstable to think like this? does it make you mentally challenged with a disorder?

Maybe if you jumped up and punched him in the face and called out "liar, liar" whilst screaming and jumping about, that this would render you an unstable maniac.

So when people question stuff about mainstream science or happening's throughout history or in the media - why do they have to be mentally unstable?
If just one thing is found to be a lie, then is it not normal for a person to shout, " fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."...?

Now, unless everything about history and our lives, plus what the media spew out, is all the truth with no discrepancies, then I'd say there's no mental disorder to be very distrusting of information pushed onto you, wouldn't you agree?

Just quoting the quote . You may take it for what it is.

But to "round earthers" is does seem that "flat earthers" just will not accept the reality that the earth is a globe.

The quote was from a book entitled "The Titanic Conspiracy." The Conspiracy Theory here was that the Olympic was switched for the Titanic. The idea behind the Conspiracy Theory was that the Olympic (alias Titanic) had already had some damage, so it would be sent out with orders to sink it to recover insurance costs. Ships would be standing by so that no lives would be lost. But things went terribly wrong. Of course the author went to great pains to develop the conspiracy theory but then went to great lengths to debunk it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type. The one that's always telling you stories about his life in the army or navy, or as a travelling salesman, etc.

You look at him talking and you just know he's spinning yarns of bullshit but the irritation is, you just can't finger him for it. You just hope that one day he will slip up or someone will come along who knows him well, who let's the cat out of the bag with certain things.

Or maybe not. Maybe years go by and you just can't get the truth of a potential lie or the potential truth of what you thought was a lie.

The thing is, does this make you unstable to think like this? does it make you mentally challenged with a disorder?

Maybe if you jumped up and punched him in the face and called out "liar, liar" whilst screaming and jumping about, that this would render you an unstable maniac.

So when people question stuff about mainstream science or happening's throughout history or in the media - why do they have to be mentally unstable?
If just one thing is found to be a lie, then is it not normal for a person to shout, " fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."...?

Now, unless everything about history and our lives, plus what the media spew out, is all the truth with no discrepancies, then I'd say there's no mental disorder to be very distrusting of information pushed onto you, wouldn't you agree?

Just quoting the quote . You may take it for what it is.

But to "round earthers" is does seem that "flat earthers" just will not accept the reality that the earth is a globe.

The quote was from a book entitled "The Titanic Conspiracy." The Conspiracy Theory here was that the Olympic was switched for the Titanic. The idea behind the Conspiracy Theory was that the Olympic (alias Titanic) had already had some damage, so it would be sent out with orders to sink it to recover insurance costs. Ships would be standing by so that no lives would be lost. But things went terribly wrong. Of course the author went to great pains to develop the conspiracy theory but then went to great lengths to debunk it.

The issue is, can you legitimately debunk it and if so, by what means?

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 11:56:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type. The one that's always telling you stories about his life in the army or navy, or as a travelling salesman, etc.

You look at him talking and you just know he's spinning yarns of bullshit but the irritation is, you just can't finger him for it. You just hope that one day he will slip up or someone will come along who knows him well, who let's the cat out of the bag with certain things.

Or maybe not. Maybe years go by and you just can't get the truth of a potential lie or the potential truth of what you thought was a lie.

The thing is, does this make you unstable to think like this? does it make you mentally challenged with a disorder?

Maybe if you jumped up and punched him in the face and called out "liar, liar" whilst screaming and jumping about, that this would render you an unstable maniac.

So when people question stuff about mainstream science or happening's throughout history or in the media - why do they have to be mentally unstable?
If just one thing is found to be a lie, then is it not normal for a person to shout, " fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."...?

Now, unless everything about history and our lives, plus what the media spew out, is all the truth with no discrepancies, then I'd say there's no mental disorder to be very distrusting of information pushed onto you, wouldn't you agree?

Just quoting the quote . You may take it for what it is.

But to "round earthers" is does seem that "flat earthers" just will not accept the reality that the earth is a globe.

The quote was from a book entitled "The Titanic Conspiracy." The Conspiracy Theory here was that the Olympic was switched for the Titanic. The idea behind the Conspiracy Theory was that the Olympic (alias Titanic) had already had some damage, so it would be sent out with orders to sink it to recover insurance costs. Ships would be standing by so that no lives would be lost. But things went terribly wrong. Of course the author went to great pains to develop the conspiracy theory but then went to great lengths to debunk it.

The issue is, can you legitimately debunk it and if so, by what means?

Can you legitimately debunk the idea that the universe is walrus snot?

Soft cock.

The prophet has spoken again.

If you want to actually contribute to the discussion by thinking for yourself, instead of blindly following conspiracy theories that have zero basis, then go ahead. If not, then no one is going to take you seriously.

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type.

Lol, that's you.  The multimillionaire North Korean dissident who has 17 patents, drives a Bugatti and is building a working model of an ice dome covered earth.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type.

Lol, that's you.  The multimillionaire North Korean dissident who has 17 patents, drives a Bugatti and is building a working model of an ice dome covered earth.

You need to prove all of what you've said or it's you that's the Billy liar. 

You need to prove all of what you've said or it's you that's the Billy liar.

No he doesn't. Anybody can easily google your username and see these things you've claimed. The gigs up.

You're either a troll with absolutely no life, or you're mentally ill and genuinely believe the Earth is flat, meaning you've been indoctrinated by this website.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 02, 2015, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type.

Lol, that's you.  The multimillionaire North Korean dissident who has 17 patents, drives a Bugatti and is building a working model of an ice dome covered earth.

You need to prove all of what you've said or it's you that's the Billy liar. 

You really think that lying about army stories or travelling salesman adventures is somehow even relevant to a discussion about the systematic murder of 6 million innocent people?

As to whether it's part of the flat earth conspiracy mantra or not,  here's what some of the creepier people at IFERS are saying.

As for the possibility that the whole movement could be labelled as jew hating holocaust deniers, that might be actually a good point, but seriously, I think that holocaust deniers get generally more credit than flat earthers, so it could actually be beneficial Either way what can you do? Keep quiet in fear of being labelled? Than we should drop the flat earth business in the first place.

Being a conspiracy theorist for years and looking at the over whelming evidence of the Zionist Masonic influence on this world, it still amazes me how people can say it's Jesuits or bankers or the elite that control the world. To understand flat earth you kinda have to be deep down the rabbit hole. There's no flat earther that believes terrorist did 9/11. You kinda got to well be versed in conspiracys be a flat earther imo.

This is a long long way from Billy Liar telling stories at the pub.   

Sceptimatics true identity revealed: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=17302618

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2015, 08:00:23 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 02, 2015, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2015, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on July 01, 2015, 10:30:29 AM

I read in one book where the author stated that conspiracy theories are developed by persons with some kind of a disorder in which they can not accept reality or that things simply happen as they do.

Have you ever sat in a pub or in regular company and you and your friends listen to a Billy liar type.

Lol, that's you.  The multimillionaire North Korean dissident who has 17 patents, drives a Bugatti and is building a working model of an ice dome covered earth.

You need to prove all of what you've said or it's you that's the Billy liar. 

You really think that lying about army stories or travelling salesman adventures is somehow even relevant to a discussion about the systematic murder of 6 million innocent people?

As to whether it's part of the flat earth conspiracy mantra or not,  here's what some of the creepier people at IFERS are saying.

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As for the possibility that the whole movement could be labelled as jew hating holocaust deniers, that might be actually a good point, but seriously, I think that holocaust deniers get generally more credit than flat earthers, so it could actually be beneficial Either way what can you do? Keep quiet in fear of being labelled? Than we should drop the flat earth business in the first place.

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Being a conspiracy theorist for years and looking at the over whelming evidence of the Zionist Masonic influence on this world, it still amazes me how people can say it's Jesuits or bankers or the elite that control the world. To understand flat earth you kinda have to be deep down the rabbit hole. There's no flat earther that believes terrorist did 9/11. You kinda got to well be versed in conspiracys be a flat earther imo.

This is a long long way from Billy Liar telling stories at the pub.

I'm not accepting nor denying it, so seeing as you appear to know all about it, by the way you're using emotion to argue, I'll ask you a few questions.

1. Over what period were 6 million killed?

2. How many camps were used for this?

3. Where were they buried?

There's  a few questions. This is all I can do other than to blindly accept the history without knowing much about it, so seeing as you started the topic, maybe you can answer me and help me come to a logical conclusion.