Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.

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skycentrism

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Hello :)

Please explain the following:

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Other videos with different directions of sky rotation:

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The sky would always be spinning in ONE direction on a flat Earth.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 01:16:30 AM »
Ok gotta say that last one, whether you believe in flat Earth or not was pretty damn cool. 

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herewegoround

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 01:17:48 AM »
Hello :)

Please explain the following:

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Other videos with different directions of sky rotation:

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The sky would always be spinning in ONE direction on a flat Earth.

I've asked essentially the same thing a couple of times. It's mostly met with silence. Either that or complete nonsense.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62851.msg1660664#msg1660664

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 01:26:11 AM »
Hello :)

Please explain the following:

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Other videos with different directions of sky rotation:

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The sky would always be spinning in ONE direction on a flat Earth.

I've asked essentially the same thing a couple of times. It's mostly met with silence. Either that or complete nonsense.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62851.msg1660664#msg1660664

Some Polish flat Earther thought it was easily explainable but he ended up writing pure bullshit :)

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neimoka

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 02:14:18 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 02:17:16 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

So then, why does it appear to rotate in two different directions, from FE point of view ? :)
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 02:23:39 AM by skycentrism »

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 02:23:37 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.

I am not going to watch the videos. Concave Earth might sound cool, but you might as well say the Earth is a beer mug. This is a flat Earth forum as far as I know, so why would you even write about concave Earth? Instead of presenting challenges for FE'ers better prove that above our heads is Australia or whatever. I entertained this idea for some time, but it is nothing more than 100% wishful thinking.

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 02:24:40 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.

I am not going to watch the videos. Concave Earth might sound cool, but you might as well say the Earth is a beer mug. This is a flat Earth forum as far as I know, so why would you even write about concave Earth? Instead of presenting challenges for FE'er better prove that above our heads is Australia or whatever. I entertained this idea for some time, but it is nothing more than 100% wishful thinking.

I just want you to explain the direction of the sky rotation in a flat Earth theory :) Is it too difficult ?

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neimoka

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 02:25:27 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2015, 02:27:50 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.


Right, I expressed myself wrong. The direction of rotation is one, BUT it appears like the sky rotates in two directions depending on our location.

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Explain these for the Flat Earth:)
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 02:29:56 AM by skycentrism »

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2015, 02:33:47 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.


Right, I expressed myself wrong. The direction of rotation is one, BUT it appears like the sky rotates in two directions depending on our location.

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Explain these for the Flat Earth:)

It appears that Australia is not above our heads, therefore you're a fool to believe the Earth is concave. It is almost as if you don't believe in your concave Earth either anymore, but since you have nothing better to do you have decided to pick on the FET. By suggesting FE is wrong you don't prove concave Earth you know that, don't you?
« Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 02:42:28 AM by Saros »

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2015, 02:42:23 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.


Right, I expressed myself wrong. The direction of rotation is one, BUT it appears like the sky rotates in two directions depending on our location.

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Explain these for the Flat Earth:)

It appears that Australia is not above our heads, therefore you're a fool to believe the Earth is concave. End of story.

We are talking about Flat Earth here :) You can't even stick to the subject.
Are these videos fake or what ? Oor maybe you have an explanation for the Flat Earth ? Or are you gonna behave like a child and say: la lala I can't hear you !

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 02:46:29 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.


Right, I expressed myself wrong. The direction of rotation is one, BUT it appears like the sky rotates in two directions depending on our location.

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Explain these for the Flat Earth:)

It appears that Australia is not above our heads, therefore you're a fool to believe the Earth is concave. End of story.

We are talking about Flat Earth here :) You can't even stick to the subject.
Are these videos fake or what ? Oor maybe you have an explanation for the Flat Earth ? Or are you gonna behave like a child and say: la lala I can't hear you !
I don't care what you have to say. You're not a round Earther, but a concave Earther(pretended one). I don't have to argue with someone who believes in something else than the traditional model, but argues against flat Earth. First prove your own model is correct then attack flat Earth, ok? I guess you can't, so basically now you believe the Earth is convex, but still pretend it is concave. It is like saying dinosaurs didn't exist, but instead giant rabbits existed, so those who believe dinosaurs existed are wrong?!?

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2015, 02:52:16 AM »
Ok then, Saros has no idea why the sky appears to rotate in two different directions and how this could work for the Flat Earth. Anyone else ? :)

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2015, 02:58:47 AM »
Ok then, Saros has no idea why the sky appears to rotate in two different directions and how this could work for the Flat Earth. Anyone else ? :)

The sky doesn't move in two different directions. You're making a meaningless statement, that is why you're not getting any replies. I am replying because I don't see the basis of your argument since you don't even believe the Earth is convex. Not sure what you're trying to prove for yourself here.

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x2m

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2015, 06:12:51 AM »
I think a wrong question is being asked; the sky does rotate in only one direction, east to west. Problem for fet is that the sky/rotation is spherical.

I think you didn't watch the videos or can't tell left from right.
I think you haven't actually observed the sky rotate. Rotation is always from east to west. Sorry but that's a fact. If I am misunderstanding your point or if you have a differing view, please elaborate.


Right, I expressed myself wrong. The direction of rotation is one, BUT it appears like the sky rotates in two directions depending on our location.

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Explain these for the Flat Earth:)

It appears that Australia is not above our heads, therefore you're a fool to believe the Earth is concave. End of story.

We are talking about Flat Earth here :) You can't even stick to the subject.
Are these videos fake or what ? Oor maybe you have an explanation for the Flat Earth ? Or are you gonna behave like a child and say: la lala I can't hear you !
I don't care what you have to say. You're not a round Earther, but a concave Earther(pretended one). I don't have to argue with someone who believes in something else than the traditional model, but argues against flat Earth. First prove your own model is correct then attack flat Earth, ok? I guess you can't, so basically now you believe the Earth is convex, but still pretend it is concave. It is like saying dinosaurs didn't exist, but instead giant rabbits existed, so those who believe dinosaurs existed are wrong?!?

The truth is that nobody has ever proved any model (flat, concave convez heliocentric, convex geocentric or others), it is necessary too large knowledge about too many things to prove one of them. But it is simpler to find holes (impossible to solve) in some of them. The two convex models and the concave model, all three solve easily what we can see on the sky rotating in diferent direction on north hemispere (almost around polaris)or south hemisphere (almost around crux, for example) because heads or observers are upside down. And I still cannot solve that hole for flat earth. No need to prove the entire flat earth model to explain that. Just try to find an explaination that can be, at leas,t logic and compatble with observations.

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 06:58:35 AM »
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And I still cannot solve that hole for flat earth.

 :) It's not a hole, it's an impossibility which makes flat Earth a fairy tale. Do you believe flat Earth ?

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x2m

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 07:15:11 AM »
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And I still cannot solve that hole for flat earth.

 :) It's not a hole, it's an impossibility which makes flat Earth a fairy tale. Do you believe flat Earth ?

'Beleave' sounds religion. I beleave in god but I have no religion. Too much respect for them all to choose one.
But today, (I don't know my opinion tomorrow...) let's say that I give 95% possibility for concave earth to be true (probably expanding on solid rock as a bubble with openings in poles and with cavitation as origin of a quick life), 4% for convex geocentric (with sun moving with all universe toguether, of course, other geocentric models are nonsense), 0,8% for convex heliocentric (dark matter for consistent moving galaxys and extraordinary motions of stars and planets is too ridiculous) and 0,2% for flat earth (but a logic answer to your question might put flat ahead heliocentric convex)

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 07:19:29 AM »
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And I still cannot solve that hole for flat earth.

 :) It's not a hole, it's an impossibility which makes flat Earth a fairy tale. Do you believe flat Earth ?

'Beleave' sounds religion. I beleave in god but I have no religion. Too much respect for them all to choose one.
But today, (I don't know my opinion tomorrow...) let's say that I give 95% possibility for concave earth to be true (probably expanding on solid rock as a bubble with openings in poles and with cavitation as origin of a quick life), 4% for convex geocentric (with sun moving with all universe toguether, of course, other geocentric models are nonsense), 0,8% for convex heliocentric (dark matter for consistent moving galaxys and extraordinary motions of stars and planets is too ridiculous) and 0,2% for flat earth (but a logic answer to your question might put flat ahead heliocentric convex)

Hahaha, no that won't happen. Nice to see another concave Earther though.

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 07:28:25 AM »
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And I still cannot solve that hole for flat earth.

 :) It's not a hole, it's an impossibility which makes flat Earth a fairy tale. Do you believe flat Earth ?

'Beleave' sounds religion. I beleave in god but I have no religion. Too much respect for them all to choose one.
But today, (I don't know my opinion tomorrow...) let's say that I give 95% possibility for concave earth to be true (probably expanding on solid rock as a bubble with openings in poles and with cavitation as origin of a quick life), 4% for convex geocentric (with sun moving with all universe toguether, of course, other geocentric models are nonsense), 0,8% for convex heliocentric (dark matter for consistent moving galaxys and extraordinary motions of stars and planets is too ridiculous) and 0,2% for flat earth (but a logic answer to your question might put flat ahead heliocentric convex)

Hahaha, no that won't happen. Nice to see another concave Earther though.

Look, I am not sure why you're so happy, but after making 100 videos trying to prove concave Earth with no success you should know better. What you're doing here is trolling. You don't believe in convex Earth, you don't believe in flat Earth, so what do you want?

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skycentrism

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 07:30:36 AM »
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Look, I am not sure why you're so happy, but after making 100 videos trying to prove concave Earth with no success you should know better. What you're doing here is trolling. You don't believe in convex Earth, you don't believe in flat Earth, so what do you want?

I want you to fill the hole in flat Earth model for x2m, so that flat Earth can get ahead of heliocentric model  ;D

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x2m

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 07:47:10 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

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Saros

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2015, 07:54:01 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2015, 08:13:22 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

Ok, so I will ask you this question, because I'm typical RE'er - why does it look that stars are rotating in two opposite directions?
"I hadn't known there are so many idiots on the world until I launched the Internet." ~ Stanisław Lem
personally i think fairies share a common ancestor with humans

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x2m

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2015, 08:48:01 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

If he is joking , he is joking he uses quite a time of his life joking, as Halley did, as Brahe did, as Morrow and Teed did and the famous german nazi scientist did : Johannes Lang. Maybe too mant people joking. Wild Heretic has good fresh ideas (and interesting debate site) and some diferences with LSC. I like also this one http://debunkingrelativity.com/ or even the real great 'heretic´http://heiwaco.tripod.com/

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2015, 08:52:01 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

If he is joking , he is joking he uses quite a time of his life joking, as Halley did, as Brahe did, as Morrow and Teed did and the famous german nazi scientist did : Johannes Lang. Maybe too mant people joking. Wild Heretic has good fresh ideas (and interesting debate site) and some diferences with LSC. I like also this one http://debunkingrelativity.com/ or even the real great 'heretic´http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
Come on, Heiwa doesn't believe the Earth is concave or does he? Brahe didn't believe in concave Earth either. Halley had some similar ideas, but it doesn't mean he was right. Teed was a cult leader. Johannes Lang didn't believe in concave Earth but in hollow Earth. Two different things. Anyway, it doesn't matter who believes in what. But currently, lots of people are simply joking and laughing at their computers at the expense of those who believe them.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2015, 09:04:13 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

Ok, so I will ask you this question, because I'm typical RE'er - why does it look that stars are rotating in two opposite directions?

In mainstream heliocentric (or even in the best geocentric model as refered in the movie The Principle)) convex model, it is because , if your head is upside up on south pole, you see rotation in on direction, if your head is upside down on north pole, you see same rotation in inverse direction than south pole. (put a sphere rotating above your head and look the direction of rotation, then put yourself above the sphere and maintain rotation and you see it in inverse way, if it was clock wize it is now counter-clock wize or vice-versa).
In concave erath it is the same for the center celestial sphere when you see it from south pole or from noth pole.
Now, please, explain me (and skycentrism) the same human observation for a flat earth. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2015, 09:17:12 AM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

If he is joking , he is joking he uses quite a time of his life joking, as Halley did, as Brahe did, as Morrow and Teed did and the famous german nazi scientist did : Johannes Lang. Maybe too mant people joking. Wild Heretic has good fresh ideas (and interesting debate site) and some diferences with LSC. I like also this one http://debunkingrelativity.com/ or even the real great 'heretic´http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
Come on, Heiwa doesn't believe the Earth is concave or does he? Brahe didn't believe in concave Earth either. Halley had some similar ideas, but it doesn't mean he was right. Teed was a cult leader. Johannes Lang didn't believe in concave Earth but in hollow Earth. Two different things. Anyway, it doesn't matter who believes in what. But currently, lots of people are simply joking and laughing at their computers at the expense of those who believe them.
I don't know if Anders believe in concave earth but he certainly don't believe most space travels are possible. Brahe never agreed with Kepler's model, but he beleaved the earth is static and his observations are important observations, still today. Halley yes was not sure about concavity or just hollow but Johannes Lang, my friend, you are completly wrong, I am sorry, Lang wrote a book that all major nazi scientist had to read and it is about concave earth. Youi can read it (in german) here:
https://archive.org/stream/Lang-Johannes-Die-Hohlwelttheorie/LangJohannes-DieHohlwelttheorie1938293S.Scan-text#page/n27/mode/2up
About Teed you are right, he was a cult leader. I respect him even if he was a cult leader. But it is his expensive scientific experiement of the rectiliniator with Universities that is what matters for debate.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2015, 01:21:52 PM »
First time I knew about concave earth, it was only about one year ago (after 58 years of life thinking convex heliocentric, moon landings, etc..I met flat earth with 56 yo). At first I thought I would be very easy to debunk (just one reason is enough...if strong enough). But each time I tryed to find arguments to debunk concave, I found myself debunking all other models (and met geo convex in 2014 with the principle), specialy the convex heliocentric mainstream that have a motion for earth of about 1 million km per hour in 7 directions, and a misterious dark matter, much more misterious than ether. By October 2014, I already had put dark matter in garbadge and elected ether.
I must confess that the great work of LSC (Steven Christopher*) was an important factor for electing ether. But ether is present in convex geocentric and flat model (maybe?) too.

* Hollow earth of Edmund Halley, observations of Brahe, experiments by Ulysses Grant Morrow and Cyrus Teed, (except electric knowledge of Nikola Tesla that never admited gravity and relativity as mainstream science still describe it), geometry of Mostafa Abdelkader, the intuition of Peter Bender (a german pilot), the article of Karl E. Neupert, the book of  Johannes Lang and the work of Rolf Kepler are nothing compared with the work and research of Steven Joseph Christopher, That is amazing!

OK, LSC is obviously joking, so if you believe him that you don't have any sense of humor. I think Wild Heretic does the same, but no idea why. Perhaps in several years they would admit it was an experiment to test how gullible people can be.

If he is joking , he is joking he uses quite a time of his life joking, as Halley did, as Brahe did, as Morrow and Teed did and the famous german nazi scientist did : Johannes Lang. Maybe too mant people joking. Wild Heretic has good fresh ideas (and interesting debate site) and some diferences with LSC. I like also this one http://debunkingrelativity.com/ or even the real great 'heretic´http://heiwaco.tripod.com/
Come on, Heiwa doesn't believe the Earth is concave or does he? Brahe didn't believe in concave Earth either. Halley had some similar ideas, but it doesn't mean he was right. Teed was a cult leader. Johannes Lang didn't believe in concave Earth but in hollow Earth. Two different things. Anyway, it doesn't matter who believes in what. But currently, lots of people are simply joking and laughing at their computers at the expense of those who believe them.
I don't know if Anders believe in concave earth but he certainly don't believe most space travels are possible. Brahe never agreed with Kepler's model, but he beleaved the earth is static and his observations are important observations, still today. Halley yes was not sure about concavity or just hollow but Johannes Lang, my friend, you are completly wrong, I am sorry, Lang wrote a book that all major nazi scientist had to read and it is about concave earth. Youi can read it (in german) here:
https://archive.org/stream/Lang-Johannes-Die-Hohlwelttheorie/LangJohannes-DieHohlwelttheorie1938293S.Scan-text#page/n27/mode/2up
About Teed you are right, he was a cult leader. I respect him even if he was a cult leader. But it is his expensive scientific experiement of the rectiliniator with Universities that is what matters for debate.

I am not wrong. Johannes wrote a book about the hollow Earth, not about the concave Earth. Anyway, this doesn't matter. Of course, space travel is fake, so what? That doesn't mean the Earth is concave. If the Earth is static it doesn't mean it is concave either. Actually, all of that fits much better within the flat Earth idea than within the concave Earth idea. You cannot possibly know if a concave Earth is static or not since you live on the inside. One more time though I would like to tell you that concave Earth is not the same as hollow Earth. Hollow Earth suggests that we live on the surface of the planet, but inside there is another world while concave Earth simply suggests we live on the inside and doesn't explain whether there is anything on the outside or if anyone lives there or whatever.

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Re: Flat Earth Challenge: Explain different directions of sky rotation.
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2015, 10:43:18 PM »
I think it's funny how anyone can believe in a theory that doesn't even account for the motion of stars and sunsets.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.