EDIT: the purpose of this thread has changed. i am using it as a place to write down my increasing refinements and alterations to the models. as i consider more, many possibilities present themselves. the most recent posts will describe my thoughts.
Here, I will outline my thoughts, and my beliefs and evidence for the state of the world. There will be outlines, justifications, and an faq. For those who insist on derailing and talking about my typing style, this was written in word so there are some automatic fixes.
I doubt this will convince round earthers set in their ways. It is not meant to. Instead, I hope to make it clear what I think, and why, and undo the need to keep repeating myself.
I am not interested in debating here. start a thread if you must, but if you think I’ve missed an obvious query, or something needs clarification, then let me know so I can add it. I think the evidence I have is sufficient, but if you disagree, it doesn’t matter right now: for this post, I will bring up evidence only when it is a natural consequence, and a not interested in doing so elsewhere. Consider this post an attempt to gain a working, internally consistent model at the very least. On those grounds, if anything needs explanation, let me know.
The post will be written in order:
- Crucial first steps
- My sole assumption
- Basic facts
- Air
- Faq
I will also link to this post in my sig. if you’re here because of that, please go to the relevant section, and read. Assume I agree with the site faq unless stated otherwise.
First stepsThe thing we need to remember is that the earth is flat: this will not be a popular starting point, I admit, but evidence is there. From this, everything else falls into place. There is evidence for this. The simplest is to look out your window: if, as round earthers say, this is a sphere, and yet no flat surfaces exist on a sphere. This is the classic proof, though some responses have been found.
We also acknowledge the fact that all matter is accelerating. Even round earthers admit the evidence for this is overwhelming, we move away from the source of the universe, the center, the site of the big bang as round earthers call it. If you have matter accelerating, however, it cannot form a sphere. It forms a flat surface, a disk: this is because the matter that is further ahead touches, there’s friction, and it slows: the further back mattor pushes into it, and ultimately everything flats out to become a disk. This is a natural consequence of any accelerating force.
You can test this yourself: go to your kitchen, pour flour out onto your desk, and push. the experiment is not perfect as we have to deal with gravity, but that only acts in one direction. The fact you get no kind of curve pushing back against your hand, and get a perfectly flat line in every direction, is enough.
From this, we draw conclusions.
Lone AssumptionAether. We deduce that something must accelerate the flat earth upwards. The term I give to this is aether. I have personal experience of it, but I do not expect anyone other than myself to take that as evidence.
This is an entirely reasonable assumption to make, as it supported by observational evidence. It is simple to see that, as the earth is flat, something must accelerate it. This is unless we assume an infinite earth, but I fail to see any reasonable way this could come about.
We can deduce more, however. The aether is a universal substance: it exists everywhere, and moves constantly. A discussion could be had on what this means for the shape of space, but that doesn't matter right now. Aether is what caused the acceleration that flattened the matter that became the earth, and the flow would clearly be parted with a disk in the way. As such, the aether will split upon contact into a flow on each side, and when it meets again, it meets in what we can call a whirlpool: a perpetual circular motion. This I call the aetheric whirlpool.
Further, there are many such whirlpools. This is my one assumption, for which my primary evidence is observational, and personal. If you don’t believe in it, it’s your loss, but I think observational evidence, the fact something must maintain the earth's acceleration, is justified.
These multiple whirlpools come from the fact that there are various densities of aether, usually all combined in the one flow, but when it’s split by the earth, each density clearly recombines at a different rate, and each creates a new whirlpool.
The lightest are closest to the earth. These have such low density, such thinness the whirlpool effect is minimal. (they’re covered more fully later). The further away you get, the thicker they become, able to move objects along. We can deduce this from the simple observation that the thicker flows will take longer to turn and move inwards.
Another fact is that the aether wishes to be whole, due to what can be thought of as an attractive force. The densities are attracted to one another: as the thinner densities have less of a pull, it is all attracted up to the thickest (which explains why the flows around the earth are drawn together). The importance of this will also be explained later.
The traits of aether are as I have said. It affects matter, able to transmit and impart force, but is not made of molecules. It refracts light, as light does as it goes through a new medium. It has negligible mass at lower densities (and perhaps also at higher, though there is no way to be certain). It is like fire, in that it is neither solid (as it is not solid), liquid (as there are no molecules), gas (as it does not expand) or energy (as it is limited, and depends on matter): it is one of the things which falls into the cracks between definitions. Human definitions do not cover everything. The easiest way to think of it is as tangible energy.
It is also able to affect minds. Throughout human history people have claimed to have spoken to gods, and ideas like this, and an all-pervasive energy, and the need for something new are recurrent. The world is not complete. This is the aether’s work: it wants to be whole, and many who open their minds sense this. It is also behind many experiences of god.
Basic FactsSo far, we’ve covered why the world is flat, and why we are kept to its surface.
Above the earth are stars, suns, the moon and planets. All of these are the same kind of entity. The sun is a star closer to us, and planets look the same as stars when seen with the naked eye (absurd if they are just rock or unlit gas). The moon glows too brightly to be just a rock. despite repeated assertion, it is truly absurd to believe a rock can reflect as much light as we see, much less be bright white. It may not be as bright or as hot as the sun, but this is more to do with concentration: the sun's rays are always facing downward, so their effect is cumulative, while the moon turns.
Stars are made by dust caught in the aetheric whirlpool. When the disk of the earth is formed, more matter collides above in the aether of suitable density. It becomes metal with enough force on it, while it is surrounded by rock. This creates a spotlight effect, as the metal is heated white-hot by the flow of aether. These are caught in the whirlpool, causing circular motion.
There are too many details to go into with so-called orbits, but the moon provides an example. It is unstable, alternating between several whirlpools (as the closer objects, like planets, do: as they go in front of and behind each other), and spinning. When the sides and back face us, we see no light. The phases of the moon are when it rotates, and we see the light at an angle. The texture of the metal provides the craters we see: which can be seen at any angle. The idea that we see the same face is a clear optical illusion. There are many differences, and the only highlighted features which we observe appear closer when the moon is at an angle.
Observations are not entirely trustworthy. The aether interferes with what we can see with the naked eye, as well as processes such as spectroscopy which do not account for increasing thickness of aether.
This is the solar system. The aetheric whirlpools near the earth are also responsible for a number of illusions (such as flight times, where they function similarly to supposed jet streams. Pilots simply alter their altitude to reach the correct one).
As aether is universal, to remove the need for further assumptions, it seems a fair conclusion that it also the source of matter. Think of it as the cause for a big bang analogue. The details are unknown, so all I can offer is speculation. Perhaps matter is a change of state, or aether with far increased density from an unknown cause.
Around the earth is an ice wall. This was formed long in the past, when the earth first began accelerating, pushed along by aether. Debris that went over the edge was, of course, pushed up. As time passed, and the earth accelerated to similar speeds, the upwards push was smaller, and water froze at the distance from the sun, while maintaining an upwards curve. this is the source of the ice wall, which keeps water in now that the speed of the aether is closer to ours, and it cannot act as a functional wall (as it once did).
AirThis is one of the most controversial things I’ve said, but based entirely on simple logic and observation. It does not need to be true for the earth to be flat, but it can only be true with the aetheric model: as such, as it is true, this is further evidence for the flat earth.
There is no such thing as air. Air resistance is the low-density aether on air, breathing is harder as we ascend as aether becomes thicker (gravity decreasing at those heights because the whirlpools are pulled upwards by the thick density of the higher aether, disrupting instruments), and we do not need air to breathe: we require motion. However, many substances are poisonous. For example, water, when it reaches the lungs, is too heavy to keep them moving.
Movement is required as it imparts heat. This keeps our bodies going. There is a reason the dead are cold: they no longer breathe, despite the fact the normal model should have them at room temperature, and only certain organs are imparting heat. That is not to say oxygen does not help: it does. Increased amounts of oxygen in poison or otherwise dangerous materials renders them less harmful, as oxygen is an aid in conducting heat. Liquid breathing is a good example of this, as we can breathe liquids with increased amount of oxygen in. While the liquid dampens the motion, oxygen still manages to encourage enough heat. Gases themselves, when they are not harmful (most of the time) are useful as they are perpetually in motion.
Scuba tanks, balloons, plastic bags, and other enclosed spaces are dangerous for the simple reason that they have loose particles on the edge. Repeatedly inhaling and exhaling draws loose particles into your lungs, which is clearly dangerous. Fluid prevents motion, metal takes in heat, and many other substances poison.
These are the simplest explanations. The three things to remember are that the body requires motion to exist, and that the lungs are sensitive: improper contents proves dangerous, if not fatal. It takes cleaner gulps to flush the poisons form your lungs, and that does not always work. Third, aether carries force: it imparts force (such as when you blow up a balloon, and the force makes it expand).
There are two fundamental pieces of evidence for this. The first is logic: if you open your eyes, you do not feel the thousands of molecules people say must be striking them. Think how much a mere grain of sand hurts: the combined masses of the oxygen molecules would be at least that size, yet we only feel anything when force is imparted. Second, examine a kettle. You boil water, you get steam, and steam goes up: and yet steam is h2o. one oxygen is heavier than nitrogen, the supposed primary ingredient in air. Yet, even with two hydrogens to make it heavier, it somehow floats: clearly this can’t be the case if air is real.
(In fact, it is attracted upwards because the lightest elements, hydrogen and helium, have more of the aether to them than many things as all matter comes from aether, and so are drawn up by the usual attractive force).
FAQSpectroscopy shows what you’re saying is wrong. Spectroscopy doesn’t take into account the effect aether has on light, so it is unreliable. At ground level, all this shows is that the refractive index of aether is similar to air. The traits we have deduced of aether so far mean that, unless it is taken into account, off-earth measurements are unreliable.
How does fire burn with no air? why does it go out when air is burnt up?Fire does not require oxygen. We see this from the basic chemistry oxygen test: when fire is in oxygen, it looks completely different to fire in air. Fire requires motion, like all heat (with no movement, matter reaches absolute zero; this is common knowledge): when you, for example, throw a blanket over a fire, or put a glass over a candle, the motion is limited, and soon cancels itself out. Heat cannot exist without movement, whether this is large scale, or atomic (in the case of chemical reactions). Many substances have an autoignition temperature, where the heat alone (that is, the movement of the molecules, as heat is defined) is enough to start a fire with no spark.
What about sound, and bell jars?Sound is vibrations: force, transmitted via aether, (as previously mentioned, aether transmits and imparts force and energy). In a bell jar, the pump puts force into the aether, and disrupts the sound by keeping it moving. Said movement is also what keeps the jar in place: it’s like climbing a chute by bracing your arms against the wall. Strong enough horizontal force prevents movement up or down.
Why do planes struggle to get lift with no air?They run into a thicker whirlpool. They cannot pierce through it, without a direct application of force, and so fall.
Can you define the aether better, such as with math? No. Science takes time, and I have minimized the number of assumptions I've made. All I've said comes from observational evidence, and I do not have the resources to mount the kinds of experiments needed to find accurate equations for the densities of aether.
What about the Cavendish experiment?There are many things that could have been measured, such as an aetheric current colliding with one mass and moving toward the other on the rebound, assuming gravity does not mean it was actually present.
Why do so many things poison humans, even things like helium which encourage heat conduction?There are many causes. The lungs are connected to the blood stream, as they aid movement to it, and there could be chemical reactions, or a thickening of the vessels. Substances like water prevent the movement of the lungs, and metal takes in heat rather than imparting it. Harder substances also create perforations in the lungs which drastically reduce the motion they can give. It would be impossible to list every possible cause of death, but two things to remember are: one, we do not breathe gases in atmosphere. Two, something can be safe to ingest, but harmful to inhale, as the two processes are different.
Where do commercially available gases come from?Gases do exist, and have many sources. There are oxides, nitrates, and natural deposits (such as natural gas). Clearly no factory spends time picking molecule after molecule, examining it, and putting it in the right bucket. They all rely on processes reliant on supposing there is air. So-called compressed air, for example, is simple contained force.
What of the conspiracy?Very little of the conspiracy is intentional. Much of it stems from the normal human drives. Flat earth theory is laughed at, so no scientist will seriously propose it no matter what they find: in addition, a desire for money ensures space travel companies will continue to take the cheaper route of faking it. If any real flights are attempted, they will run into a problem with refusing to take aether into account, there will be a crash, and they will put it down to bad calculations and continue as they did before with cheaper faking.