I have seen the International Space Station with my own eyes.

I know that the title would lead one to believe that I have been in space, but I am actually talking about viewing the International Space Station from Earth.  I have an app that predicts when and where I can view the ISS, which looks like a dim star moving quite fast across the sky.  It looks nothing like an airplane because airplane lights are brighter and they flash.  The ISS appears to go faster then an airplane across the sky.  If the ancients have seen something that could be mistaken as a space station that has actually always existed, then they would have probobaly written it down somewhere at some point along with their countless other observations.  So what is the flat earther explenation for seeing the ISS fly across the sky?

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know. 

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

Assuming he did see a dot and wasn't using a telescope big enough to resolve it (it takes only a modest telescope suitable for amateur astronomy to do this, and it's done quite often by amateurs), let's think about this, shall we?

The ISS is the brightest man-made object in orbit, and very easy to recognize when it passes above the horizon while illuminated by the Sun - within a couple hours before sunrise or after sunset. At an orbital height of about 400 km, it will be above the horizon from locations within about 1,600 km of the point below its location, say 1,000 km for a "good" pass, at least moderately high in the sky. This means that there's a swath about 2,000 km wide where it is theoretically visible. If this includes populated places at the right time of day and the weather is clear it can easily be seen from the ground by many people along a long track 2,000 km wide. There's enough interest in it that people do look for it. If it didn't appear at the time and position predicted, you'd hear about it.

It's a distinctively bright object moving at a particular speed in a particular direction along a specific track against the background sky, visible over a vast area according to a predictable schedule. So what else could it be?

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

Ah common, try something over that a stock answer for a change.

You claimed you were a "free thinker" a few posts ago, now you show a complete lack of ability to think originally.

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

What sort of object do you think it could've been rather than the ISS jroa?   You seem to doubt mikeman's claim.

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

jroa's statement is a frantic attempt at "de-bunking" at best. I won't even say "nice try, jroa" because it really wasn't much of a "nice try." LOL

The problem for anyone to see the ISS is to know when and where to look for it and have a powerful enough telescope or binoculars to see and identify it or have a camera with a telephoto lens for pictures.

There have been many pictures taken of the ISS and many of them are by amateurs. The shape of the ISS is readily recogniseable  as mentioned and there is no mistaking it for an aircraft or another satellite. The bottom line is the ISS is real and anyone can see it under the proper conditions.

There are websites on the Internet with charts to show when and where to look for the ISS in your location.
http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection
2.  a near earth asteroid
3.  an unmanned drone

I would say the most plausible is a projection. Waiting to prove me wrong.

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection
2.  a near earth asteroid
3.  an unmanned drone

I would say the most plausible is a projection. Waiting to prove me wrong.

How can anyone prove you wrong when you haven't provided any evidence to prove yourself correct?

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection
2.  a near earth asteroid
3.  an unmanned drone

I would say the most plausible is a projection. Waiting to prove me wrong.

1. Hologram projectors don't exist yet.
2. Near Earth asteroids don't exist in FET.
3. Drones can't travel at orbital velocity!

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection

Take us through the technology.

2.  a near earth asteroid

A what?  One that looks like a space station?

3.  an unmanned drone

So the ISS is OK as long as people aren't aboard?

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

How can anyone be so gullible? Doesn't matter if you can see it clearly with a telescope, it still doesn't prove it is manned or even a real object for that matter. It can be a projection. It would be much cheaper to project it as part of the propaganda agenda. I am tired of people who look at stuff in the sky and claim they are real objects when there is no proof whatsoever.

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

How can anyone be so gullible? Doesn't matter if you can see it clearly with a telescope, it still doesn't prove it is manned or even a real object for that matter. It can be a projection. It would be much cheaper to project it as part of the propaganda agenda. I am tired of people who look at stuff in the sky and claim they are real objects when there is no proof whatsoever.

Paraphrased: "I can't believe that people believe in objects that they can clearly see in front of them with their own eyes, that's so stupid."

Also, you need to cite the source where you learned that the technology exists that can project a space station 100 miles above the ground.

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Actually doing something to prove or disprove something to himself? Who do you think you are talking to?

Quote from: Saros on December 10, 2014, 01:45:48 PM

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

How can anyone be so gullible? Doesn't matter if you can see it clearly with a telescope, it still doesn't prove it is manned or even a real object for that matter. It can be a projection. It would be much cheaper to project it as part of the propaganda agenda. I am tired of people who look at stuff in the sky and claim they are real objects when there is no proof whatsoever.

Paraphrased: "I can't believe that people believe in objects that they can clearly see in front of them with their own eyes, that's so stupid."

Also, you need to cite the source where you learned that the technology exists that can project a space station 100 miles above the ground.

Zeta Talk, duh.

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

After all, if someone claimed that standing on one's head, in the middle of the night, under a full moon, facing north whilst wearing an orange turtleneck sweater would reveal the existence of leprechauns... would you do all that?

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

After all, if someone claimed that standing on one's head, in the middle of the night, under a full moon, facing north whilst wearing an orange turtleneck sweater would reveal the existence of leprechauns... would you do all that?

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

....should I keep going?

Quote from: legion on December 10, 2014, 02:41:42 PM

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

After all, if someone claimed that standing on one's head, in the middle of the night, under a full moon, facing north whilst wearing an orange turtleneck sweater would reveal the existence of leprechauns... would you do all that?

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

....should I keep going?

Did you take those photos?

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

No, that doesn't sound fair at all.  If a believer were to post photos, then non-believers would simply cry fake.  What would be fair is if a non-believer were to connect a camera to a telescope and take you own th*rking photos, that way there is no way for non-believers to cry fake. 

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

That's your problem, not ours.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 02:51:20 PM

Quote from: legion on December 10, 2014, 02:41:42 PM

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

After all, if someone claimed that standing on one's head, in the middle of the night, under a full moon, facing north whilst wearing an orange turtleneck sweater would reveal the existence of leprechauns... would you do all that?

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

....should I keep going?

Did you take those photos?

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

I have seen all the same photos. If that counts as proof for you then carry-on-believing.

If there is someone else, someone with a bit of intelligence and skill, up to the challenge of posting their own photos to support their beliefs, then we're all eyes! If not, then you have failed to prove your case and we can let this thread sink to the depths of the forum.

Getting iffy photos off the net is a very lame, but sadly expected from many believers.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:00:53 PM

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

I have seen all the same photos. If that counts as proof for you then carry-on-believing.

If there is someone else, someone with a bit of intelligence and skill, up to the challenge of posting their own photos to support their beliefs, then we're all eyes! If not, then you have failed to prove your case and we can let this thread sink to the depths of the forum.

Getting iffy photos off the net is a very lame, but sadly expected from many believers.

Are you sure? People have posted their own stuff and it has been dismissed.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:00:53 PM

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

I have seen all the same photos. If that counts as proof for you then carry-on-believing.

If there is someone else, someone with a bit of intelligence and skill, up to the challenge of posting their own photos to support their beliefs, then we're all eyes! If not, then you have failed to prove your case and we can let this thread sink to the depths of the forum.

Getting iffy photos off the net is a very lame, but sadly expected from many believers.

I just posted pictures from people just like me and others here. And you called them fake. What changes if I take my telescope out tonight and take the picture myself you pseudo-science sanctimonious asshat.

Quote from: legion on December 10, 2014, 03:13:02 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:00:53 PM

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

I have seen all the same photos. If that counts as proof for you then carry-on-believing.

If there is someone else, someone with a bit of intelligence and skill, up to the challenge of posting their own photos to support their beliefs, then we're all eyes! If not, then you have failed to prove your case and we can let this thread sink to the depths of the forum.

Getting iffy photos off the net is a very lame, but sadly expected from many believers.

I just posted pictures from people just like me and others here. And you called them fake. What changes if I take my telescope out tonight and take the picture myself you pseudo-science sanctimonious asshat.

exactly

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:33:34 PM

Quote from: legion on December 10, 2014, 03:13:02 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:00:53 PM

No, other amateur astronomers with personal telescopes took them.

Or are you saying now that no one on the planet can be trusted?

If you want I can also post up all the pictures of the ISS taken with binoculars. Really, its incredibly easy to see the ISS with your own two dumb and blind eyes.

I have seen all the same photos. If that counts as proof for you then carry-on-believing.

If there is someone else, someone with a bit of intelligence and skill, up to the challenge of posting their own photos to support their beliefs, then we're all eyes! If not, then you have failed to prove your case and we can let this thread sink to the depths of the forum.

Getting iffy photos off the net is a very lame, but sadly expected from many believers.

I just posted pictures from people just like me and others here. And you called them fake. What changes if I take my telescope out tonight and take the picture myself you pseudo-science sanctimonious asshat.

exactly

Undoubtedly.

After being on this website, you get used to this king of behavior from the flat earthers. They are going to deny any kind of factual information such as this discussion about viewing the ISS. Furthermore they seem ignorant of a lot of many simple things and are unwilling to learn about them. Only their own fantastic ideas count.

I started a subject some time ago in reference to the distance from the earth to the moon and they denied all sorts of things like any reports of - radio are fakes - there is no such thing as radio waves - no such things as the speed of light and the speed of radio waves - and the reports were from persons who were liars - et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

The funniest thing they said about that subject was "Radio has no connection with RADAR." (Definition of the acronym RADAR :Radio Detection And Ranging.) If any flat earthers are intelligent they do know how to act as it they were stupid.

This subject is going along the usual - if you don't know anything about anything just deny it.

As a reviewer said of a particularly bad book , "It's so stupid it's funny !" LOL.

I think my favorite argument of theirs is the "did you do this yourself?" one. They rail against us because we didnt do it ourselves, but then base their reality on ice walls and domes and hollow moons and spotlight suns, all of which could be disproved if they just do the math themselves.

Circular for the win.

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection
2.  a near earth asteroid
3.  an unmanned drone

I would say the most plausible is a projection. Waiting to prove me wrong.

1. Projected from what, on what, and from where?
2. It's been imaged and looks man-made. It's possible to see other craft docking with it.
3. How high? Powered by what? How fast is it going? What does it look like?

You've tossed out three pretty implausible alternatives. Can you explain them any further?

Quote from: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on December 10, 2014, 05:30:28 AM

You saw a small point that moved across the sky.  That does not mean it was a space station.  It could have been anything for all you know.

For the one hundredth time, you can resolve the full shape of the ISS with a decent telescope. Until you try it yourself, you are only a fool to deny it.

Why don't you, or mikeman, or some other believer, connect a camera to your telescope (assuming you have one) and post the photos here for us to look at. Then, we, who believe such things as the ISS to be complete b******s, can decide whether it is worth our trouble. Sound fair?

After all, if someone claimed that standing on one's head, in the middle of the night, under a full moon, facing north whilst wearing an orange turtleneck sweater would reveal the existence of leprechauns... would you do all that?

I'm way too lazy. So take the photos and then we can assess your claims.

Why don't you tell us first what you personally think that object may be?

Quote from: Saros on December 10, 2014, 12:35:17 PM

There are numerous possibilities regarding ISS.

1.  a holographic projection
2.  a near earth asteroid
3.  an unmanned drone

I would say the most plausible is a projection. Waiting to prove me wrong.

1. Projected from what, on what, and from where?
2. It's been imaged and looks man-made. It's possible to see other craft docking with it.
3. How high? Powered by what? How fast is it going? What does it look like?

You've tossed out three pretty implausible alternatives. Can you explain them any further?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Honestly, how far down in the depths of fantasy do you people have to go before you will wake up to stark reality. This isn't star wars. It's not star trek. It's not flash Gordon.

Stop being so silly for crying out loud.
Craft docking with it.