Gravity = Air Pressure

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #300 on: December 05, 2014, 02:30:41 AM »
Airplanes ARE effected by gravity, but they can counteract that with their wings which work like this:

The air on top is lower pressure so it sucks the wing up, and that's how airplanes fly.  Newtonian physics doesn't account for air pressure because it doesn't need to, there is gravity on the airless moon that orbits Earth and astronauts orbiting the Earth in pressurized ships float around weightlessly.  Air has NOTHING to do with gravity.
Yeah, we have been trying to explain to scepti for years, but he won't believe it. Not like it makes perfect sense and can be explained through basic physics.
Yes it can be explained through basic physics but the basic physics are a lie. They appear to look a truth but they are a lie to cover up for the fact that atmospheric pressure is the only reason why everything works as it does.
You see: the science we are told to hold dear, has photons and scattered particles of matter as if they are just loose balls just floating about, etc, etc. It's so effing ludicrous it really shocks the hell out of me as to why people cannot see it's bogus.

The brilliant part about it is: they can get away with this because people don't have the means to test a lot of it out - and the stuff that they do test, they can't make head nor tail of, except to go along with the silliness of equations that are fed into the system to make it appear to work as told.

The bullshit ruse of objects equally falling in a vacuum is a classic con. The other one is the supposed Newton laws, where his supposed first one being:  Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
On the whole it seems fine. I mean, yeah it can sort of make sense if you are a space fanatic and it can make simple sense on Earth.
You push a car and it stops in time because it has an opposing force; friction, which seems fine.
Then you go into so called space and then it becomes ridiculous, as though one push and it goes on forever as long as it doesn't hit any gravitational pull or some other absolute bullshit.
Anyway, here's the key with this.
You see, in space, if you are moving through space at say, 10 mph and you accelerate 10 mph, you are now going 20 mph but you stay at 20 mph. You can take your throttle off and you still go 20 mph. On Earth you will naturally start to slow down to friction.
So in space, if you keep giving a little throttle every minute, you simply go faster until theoretically you reach the speed of light over time, even if your space ship has a theoretical 10 mph speed restriction on Earth.
This is readily bought into because space is readily bought into, and it's cringeworthy.

Wake the eff up to his.


Second one: F=ma or force equals mass times acceleration. This is absolutely fine on Earth. It makes perfect sense , except it makes perfect sense for the bogus gravity and the real denpressure.

The problem isn't on Earth but when attributed to so called space.
You see, in space, we get told that even though objects supposedly float, which gets techy when you start to really go deep with questioning, because gravity gets  pulled (pardon the pun) out of the bag for you to be told, " ahhh but objects still have mass, even in space and gravity acts on that mass, so it's mass attracts mass"... and blah blah.

You see, it gets weirder and weirder when they pull this crap on us with space exploits - as in - the space station.
 Actornauts show us all kinds of stuff where they lift weights or an apple and they can't tell the difference, because they are in zero - or "micro" gravity as we get told.

It get ludicrous and people are just mesmerised by the complexity of it all. It cannot be rationally explained in any basic terms because it's simply a case of mass attracts mass and that's it. Just accept it as something magical that scientist can't work out. It simply must be believed because you're not stupid...an apple falls and so do you, so there.  ::)

The third law is the simplest and easiest. It also applies to denpressure as well as fake gravity, just in different takes.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Pretty straightforward in the way it's put. Basically if you push on a wall, that wall resists that force of your push and pushes back against you, kind of thing.
Step off a boat onto a surface and your action creates a reaction sending the boat the other way. This works perfectly for denpressure and it also works in the bullshit gravity/mass theory "IF" you are asleep to the ruse of it, which sadly many people are.

You see, people simply accept that mass exerted against mass simple push in opposite directions and no reason for it is needed.
It's the reason why people get confused by mass and weight and get laughed at when they can't figure it out.
It can't be figured out because people don't use their brains to realise that weight only exists on a measurement scale.
You cannot see something on the ground and say, " oh that weighs such and such"...because to know, you have to invent a scale to measure it.
So how does it get measured and what force is acting on the object for it to be measured?
Gravity of course: because gravity pulls on mass and that mass is measured as weight.
Sound simple enough?
Course it does. Mass can only be determined as weight when measured on a scale by the pull of gravity on that mass, because Earth is a huge ball with a iron core and what not and it's mass is greater so it pulls on the smaller objects of mass.
So now you know why things fall. ;D
No reason for why this happens or why an ant doesn't get dragged off the floor and stuck to a mountain - you know, things like that - yet Cavendish experiments with his mass attracts mass and over a period of 46 trillion centuries, these two objects attracted. Oh, ok, I might of exaggerrated a little on the time scale. ;D

All this weird gravity is accepted by nothing other than total and utter indoctrination.  It's as strong as in the mind of a small child believing santa delivers all of his/her presents on Christmas eve and yet the indoctrinated parents allow this to happen in the name of the spirit of christmas and the excitement of the child and don't care whether the child understands that the parents scrimped and went without themselves to make sure that some bloke in a red suit - let's call him gravity claus(e) - was the sole reason as to why the kid had an exciting morning when he/she awoke to find a floor full of presents that his little mind couldn't register as being from any other person but gravity claus(e), even when the tags said, love from mam and dad.

Now who's the tin foil hat nut case?... I am....I am. Why?... because I was that kid that noticed the tags on my presents said "mam" and "dad" and realised we had a gas fire and not an open fireplace. I understood the damage santa would have done to roof tiles if he was real. I couldn't quite prove the nibbled cookies and carrots but by deduction it had to have been an inside job...but guess what? I am the nutter because I questioned this and do you know what mammy and daddy said?

They said (after rubbing my head) "don't be silly son; we heard him on the roof. He woke us up and we spied on him putting your presents out."
You see, I had to go another year confused about it because by logic, santa wasn't real - but why would people I trust, lie to me?... they wouldn't - would they?

So when do I wake up?...
It takes time but as you start to become older, you start to see it for the little fib it is...but guess what?... you took comfort in it because the belief at the time was exciting to think magical things can happen, so what do you do?
You carry it on and bullshit your own kids into exactly the same thing your parents done to you.  ::) ;D
The thing is, it's all good...but is it really?...a lie is a lie, right?

Gravity? take a look at what it says on the tag. From "Density" and "pressure." Denpressure.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #301 on: December 05, 2014, 02:31:40 AM »
Yeah, we have been trying to explain to scepti for years, but he won't believe it. Not like it makes perfect sense and can be explained through basic physics.

I can tell you in advance that sceptimatic will be totally confused by this aerofoil diagram and the physics behind it.  He'll undoubtedly come up with some illogical mechanisms due to his absurd "denpressure" hypothesis.  He'll also deny that gravity has any effect on aircraft, as gravity simply doesn't exist.

—Let's wait for the laughs to begin.   ;D


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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #302 on: December 05, 2014, 02:40:23 AM »

Damn...  ;D   I posted 60 seconds too late!

But at least my guarantee of endless laughs were satisfied by sceptimatic's expected ramblings.

I'm actually genuinely surprised that he can devote so much of his time composing these farragoes of utter bullshit.  Maybe he should get a job, and give us all a break?  I'm certain that with thirteen academic qualifications, and as a renowned inventor, scientist and genius with an IQ of 160+ he should walk into any job he desired.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #303 on: December 05, 2014, 05:17:44 AM »
You OK scepti?  You seem to be having some kind of manic episode.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #304 on: December 05, 2014, 05:20:00 AM »
You OK scepti?  You seem to be having some kind of manic episode.
Absolutely fine crabby, thanks for asking.  ;D

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #305 on: December 05, 2014, 09:36:26 AM »
So in space, if you keep giving a little throttle every minute, you simply go faster until theoretically you reach the speed of light over time, even if your space ship has a theoretical 10 mph speed restriction on Earth.
What's wrong with this exactly? You just feel that it is? The truth is hard for some people, I guess.

You see, it gets weirder and weirder when they pull this crap on us with space exploits - as in - the space station.
 Actornauts show us all kinds of stuff where they lift weights or an apple and they can't tell the difference, because they are in zero - or "micro" gravity as we get told.
Astronauts can in fact "tell the difference" between different masses they carry, I don't know where you're getting your information. It takes more energy to move objects of larger mass. You can feel that. On the ISS, the only difference is, they don't fall down. By the way, there is a huge difference between "zero gravity" and "zero g." Zero gravity doesn't exist. Zero g is when you don't experience gravity, which you can emulate by falling.

But in the end, what exactly was the point of this ramble? Maybe you were referring back to our discussion about Newton's studies? I really hope you realize that Principia Mathematica outlines much, much, much more than just the laws of motion. In reality though you didn't debunk anything, you just rambled on about what you feel them to be.

Crab is right. You haven't been acting normal. Are you in a manic episode?
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #306 on: December 05, 2014, 09:45:27 AM »
So in space, if you keep giving a little throttle every minute, you simply go faster until theoretically you reach the speed of light over time, even if your space ship has a theoretical 10 mph speed restriction on Earth.
What's wrong with this exactly? You just feel that it is? The truth is hard for some people, I guess.

You see, it gets weirder and weirder when they pull this crap on us with space exploits - as in - the space station.
 Actornauts show us all kinds of stuff where they lift weights or an apple and they can't tell the difference, because they are in zero - or "micro" gravity as we get told.
Astronauts can in fact "tell the difference" between different masses they carry, I don't know where you're getting your information. It takes more energy to move objects of larger mass. You can feel that. On the ISS, the only difference is, they don't fall down. By the way, there is a huge difference between "zero gravity" and "zero g." Zero gravity doesn't exist. Zero g is when you don't experience gravity, which you can emulate by falling.

But in the end, what exactly was the point of this ramble? Maybe you were referring back to our discussion about Newton's studies? I really hope you realize that Principia Mathematica outlines much, much, much more than just the laws of motion. In reality though you didn't debunk anything, you just rambled on about what you feel them to be.

Crab is right. You haven't been acting normal. Are you in a manic episode?
Stay inside your box. I have no more time for the likes of you. If the masses said a dog was a cat, you'd go with that.
Just get on with what you were doing and leave me out of it.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #307 on: December 05, 2014, 09:49:49 AM »
So in space, if you keep giving a little throttle every minute, you simply go faster until theoretically you reach the speed of light over time, even if your space ship has a theoretical 10 mph speed restriction on Earth.
What's wrong with this exactly? You just feel that it is? The truth is hard for some people, I guess.

You see, it gets weirder and weirder when they pull this crap on us with space exploits - as in - the space station.
 Actornauts show us all kinds of stuff where they lift weights or an apple and they can't tell the difference, because they are in zero - or "micro" gravity as we get told.
Astronauts can in fact "tell the difference" between different masses they carry, I don't know where you're getting your information. It takes more energy to move objects of larger mass. You can feel that. On the ISS, the only difference is, they don't fall down. By the way, there is a huge difference between "zero gravity" and "zero g." Zero gravity doesn't exist. Zero g is when you don't experience gravity, which you can emulate by falling.

But in the end, what exactly was the point of this ramble? Maybe you were referring back to our discussion about Newton's studies? I really hope you realize that Principia Mathematica outlines much, much, much more than just the laws of motion. In reality though you didn't debunk anything, you just rambled on about what you feel them to be.

Crab is right. You haven't been acting normal. Are you in a manic episode?
Stay inside your box. I have no more time for the likes of you. If the masses said a dog was a cat, you'd go with that.
Just get on with what you were doing and leave me out of it.
Do you want to talk about it? My TeamSpeak/Skype offer is still up.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #308 on: December 05, 2014, 02:33:14 PM »
Hello sceptimatic, I saw your post supposedly debunking Newtonian physics, consider this my official reply:

As for all of the Newtonian physics that you bashed, your posts were like this: "The Newtonian laws of motion that states [thing] which seems to occur when you [action] but actually does not because in space it does that too and that's just stupid", and your assumptions about how things work in space based off of Newtonian physics are actually pretty accurate.

No reason for why this happens or why an ant doesn't get dragged off the floor and stuck to a mountain

That actually happens, but Earth (which is really big by the way, I bet you didn't know that) has a MUCH stronger pull.  This effect has actually been observed with the oceans and lakes when they get near mountains.

Mass can only be determined as weight when measured on a scale by the pull of gravity on that mass

Actually, you can also determine mass by how hard it is to accelerate something.  The reason that they get mixed up is because on Earth they are generally proportional.

if you keep giving a little throttle every minute, you simply go faster until theoretically you reach the speed of light over time

Have you ever heard of general relativity?  It states that time and distance is relative instead of absolute, and if you just keep speeding up at a constant rate then for you, it will seem that you are accelerating without limit but the universe is stretching in the direction of your motion and to an outside observer, you would appear compressed in the direction of your travel and you would seem to move slower then you actually are.  Photons (particles of light) don't have mass, so when they are emitted they default to going at an infinite speed, but general relativity kicks in and the photon appears to be going only the speed of light, but relative to the photon it get's emitted and absorbed at the same instant.  There are mathematical proofs for this that I can show you if you promise not to try to debunk math and logic too and claim that 2+2=5.

How about this: I will become a flat-earther if you give me a legitimate example in the real world of the Newtonian laws of motion being broken.  I have an idea, why don't you jump off a cliff, you will be fine if objects in motion don't tend to stay in motion!
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #309 on: December 05, 2014, 06:06:43 PM »
Appreciated scepti
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #310 on: December 05, 2014, 11:30:59 PM »
I believe the earth is flat in the middle round at the top and a triangle at the bottom. The truth is overwhelming and can't be denied by science. This has been verified to be true. Experts agree.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #311 on: February 23, 2015, 11:22:21 PM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?

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« Reply #312 on: February 24, 2015, 01:13:39 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
Yes, there are many screamingly obvious holes in his "denpressure" bollocks.  Scepti knows this, and just likes the attention he gets from the argument.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #313 on: February 24, 2015, 03:44:06 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
There is no zero G. It's the plane diving marginally faster than you can fall. You're all falling.
The same effect would be in a lift if it dropped a split second before you. You would appear to be floating, yet you are plummeting to the ground just a tad slower than the lift.
If a set of scales in that lift were also falling at your feet, then you weigh nothing, because it cannot measure your weight.


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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #314 on: February 24, 2015, 03:46:30 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
Yes, there are many screamingly obvious holes in his "denpressure" bollocks.  Scepti knows this, and just likes the attention he gets from the argument.
If none of you globalists gave me any attention from this point on, it would be fine with me. Try it.
Your problem is, you can't ignore me and neither can your like minded friends. Why?...because that means people get to see what I type as a whole, over time with no interruptions by people like you and you can't be having that, can you.  ;)

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #315 on: February 24, 2015, 04:04:25 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
Yes, there are many screamingly obvious holes in his "denpressure" bollocks.  Scepti knows this, and just likes the attention he gets from the argument.
If none of you globalists gave me any attention from this point on, it would be fine with me. Try it.
Your problem is, you can't ignore me and neither can your like minded friends. Why?...because that means people get to see what I type as a whole, over time with no interruptions by people like you and you can't be having that, can you.  ;)
Your threads would just die without our "interruptions", nobody else posts on them.  You should thank us.

As I say, you just like the attention.  Until you have one of your little tantrums that is.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #316 on: February 24, 2015, 04:23:28 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
Yes, there are many screamingly obvious holes in his "denpressure" bollocks.  Scepti knows this, and just likes the attention he gets from the argument.
If none of you globalists gave me any attention from this point on, it would be fine with me. Try it.
Your problem is, you can't ignore me and neither can your like minded friends. Why?...because that means people get to see what I type as a whole, over time with no interruptions by people like you and you can't be having that, can you.  ;)
Your threads would just die without our "interruptions", nobody else posts on them.  You should thank us.

As I say, you just like the attention.  Until you have one of your little tantrums that is.
I post my thoughts. If you or your brainwashed friends never posted anything towards my thoughts, I'd simply post as and when. If that meant one post a week, then that's fine.
Seriously, try it out. This is your and your friends' chance to never reply to anything I post. Just overlook me. There's others to expend your time on. Back pat each other and learn more of your text book garbage between you.

You should all get together and crunch numbers for how big your sun is and all the rest of it. Cheer each other on when someone comes out with a new equation for string theory or the fabric of space changing from white cotton to blue denim.  ;D

Leave me out of your scientific mindset, where google and it's calculators make you appear like you know stuff.

In the meantime, I'll just go about my normal business of showing those with a brain, what reality looks like instead of the fantasy that you people try to coax them into believing, simply because you bought into that same fantasy and grew up with it to this very day, even though you're an adult (I think) and should have more common sense about you.

Leave star trek and star wars at the cinema or as a passing TV fiction drama. Play on your games console and land on your game moon, then switch it off and remember it as a game, not as a reality.

Once you get past all of this and you do actually grow up and mature,  (brain wise) you then have a reasonable chance of actually understading the real world.

To be fair to you, I actually think you're one of those that possesses the logical brain to realise the fantasy you live among. Your problem is not your logic. It's your temperament. Sort that out and you have a chance.

Good luck.  ;)

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #317 on: February 24, 2015, 04:51:43 AM »
Personally I think laughter is the best medicine. Once someone's decided air pressure exists independently of gravity, we've reached the point of absurdity. Scepti has yet to satisfactorily explain where the net downwards force from air pressure comes from: unless the fact of the Earth's extreme mass/volume/whatever enters into it, in which case all he's done is basically appeal to gravity.
The only attempt at an explanation I've seen holds that the Earth is actually pushing us upwards, which is the exact opposite of what we observe, and the same principle means matter as we know it couldn't exist. Just a pity Scepti can't apply his apparently immense genius or in-the-name scepticism to his own work.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #318 on: February 24, 2015, 05:12:18 AM »
Personally I think laughter is the best medicine. Once someone's decided air pressure exists independently of gravity, we've reached the point of absurdity. Scepti has yet to satisfactorily explain where the net downwards force from air pressure comes from: unless the fact of the Earth's extreme mass/volume/whatever enters into it, in which case all he's done is basically appeal to gravity.
The only attempt at an explanation I've seen holds that the Earth is actually pushing us upwards, which is the exact opposite of what we observe, and the same principle means matter as we know it couldn't exist. Just a pity Scepti can't apply his apparently immense genius or in-the-name scepticism to his own work.
Before you just dive in, how about understanding how it works.

You go on about me describing gravity by mentioning atmospheric pressure. Of course I'm describing gravity. It's because gravity has been battered into your head. So what everyone observes, is put down to gravity. I'm explaining it with atmospheric pressure, so immediately you revert back to your brainwashed gravity.

Let me just twist this and see if you have any honestly about you.
Let's imagine that science told us that the reason things happen as they do, is because of atmospheric pressure upon any mass/density.
You get taught this.
I come along and say, "pftt, it's not atmospheric pressure, it's gravity."

Your immediate reaction would be, "ok scepti, so prove it."
I say, "well things fall at 9.8m/s/s, it's because the Earth pulls it down at that rate."

You then say: well ok, so what is gravity.
I say: well, it's a force but I don't know exactly what kind of force, it just is.

And so on and so on. I guarantee you that you would sit and laugh at it and shout and scream that I'm talking ludicrous.
You would then rationally explain why atmospheric pressure is a real force and you can show me.

You see, this would be the reality but unfortunately you've been brainwashed the other way round and made to believe in the nonsense - the unexplainable force that isn't a force, yet is a force when it matters but isn't a force when asked to explain it.

Your world is saturated in this kind of garbage and you buy into it for no other reason than you are scared to think any other way, because your very existence as a thought of rational person, relies on you following this protocol.

That's not me aiming it at you. That's me aiming it at every person that thinks like you.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #319 on: February 24, 2015, 05:19:53 AM »
You go on about me describing gravity by mentioning atmospheric pressure. Of course I'm describing gravity. It's because gravity has been battered into your head. So what everyone observes, is put down to gravity. I'm explaining it with atmospheric pressure, so immediately you revert back to your brainwashed gravity.

Except atmospheric pressure does not exist without gravity. Unless you're appealing so some other net downwards force, in which case please explain. This is exactly what you demand of those who accept gravity. If you're appealing to an abstract 'well, it's just this,' then how does it know which way is down? Gravity has this explained (due to large bodies of mass), which sets it apart from your guess there and then. Unless your explanation is the same, and 'down' means 'towards large masses' in which case what you've described is literally gravity. That's not me reverting, it's exactly what you'd be saying.
Sure, the theory of gravity is not 100% complete. That's how science works: there are gaps, they get filled. But it makes sense, and the gaps in the theory are just that: gaps, voids, not incoherencies such as your 'the atmosphere knows which way  is down because I say so'.

This is without getting onto issues such as expertise and corroboration and peer-review.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #320 on: February 24, 2015, 05:25:57 AM »
So let me get this straight here. According to this the reason that causes object to fall towards the ground is air pressure and also it was mentioned that zero air pressure means no measured weight. So lets then think about isolated pockets of air pressure like aircraft cabins. If you would go for an zero G flight you would experience no weight as you are floating around but you also experience air pressure as you are able to breathe and not suffocate.

So how can it be that being at accelerating motion towards ground (approx 9.8 m/s^2) causes the effect of no weight but you can not observe vacuum in this? What's the relation between accelerating motion and air pressure then?
There is no zero G. It's the plane diving marginally faster than you can fall. You're all falling.
The same effect would be in a lift if it dropped a split second before you. You would appear to be floating, yet you are plummeting to the ground just a tad slower than the lift.
If a set of scales in that lift were also falling at your feet, then you weigh nothing, because it cannot measure your weight.

Very correct. This is exactly what happens. Lift falling would be another good example but the thing here is that your denpressure theory explains that the force that causes the motion downwards at free fall comes from the air pressure does it not? Only force acting inside the lift has to be coming from the pressure conditions inside the lift. Gravity and universal acceleration was abandoned, so cannot be them then. Or are you suggesting that air pressure penetrates always any barrier preventing us to manipulate air pressure locally at all?

So how does observer inside the lift or aircraft cabin know about the pressure conditions outside? It's an isolated pressure pocket. Using denpressure's own terms and little deduction you would expect that object inside the lift will fall or ascend always relative to the container that it is in because its dependent pressure conditions inside. Floating inside the lift cannot ever occur in this theory without a vacuum. But this floating does happen in your very own example, so where does the extra force come from that prevents object inside the pressure pocket to not move relative to the lift walls? Not saying anything about gravity but you need something fix the theory here.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #321 on: February 24, 2015, 05:36:43 AM »
You go on about me describing gravity by mentioning atmospheric pressure. Of course I'm describing gravity. It's because gravity has been battered into your head. So what everyone observes, is put down to gravity. I'm explaining it with atmospheric pressure, so immediately you revert back to your brainwashed gravity.

Except atmospheric pressure does not exist without gravity. Unless you're appealing so some other net downwards force, in which case please explain. This is exactly what you demand of those who accept gravity. If you're appealing to an abstract 'well, it's just this,' then how does it know which way is down? Gravity has this explained (due to large bodies of mass), which sets it apart from your guess there and then. Unless your explanation is the same, and 'down' means 'towards large masses' in which case what you've described is literally gravity. That's not me reverting, it's exactly what you'd be saying.
Sure, the theory of gravity is not 100% complete. That's how science works: there are gaps, they get filled. But it makes sense, and the gaps in the theory are just that: gaps, voids, not incoherencies such as your 'the atmosphere knows which way  is down because I say so'.

This is without getting onto issues such as expertise and corroboration and peer-review.
There is no downward force as such.
You'll never understand it whilst you hang onto your fictional gravity force or whatever it's supposed to be as whatever force it is.
You mass attracting mass is obscene. It's a massive lie.

If you are to have any chance of understanding what I say you need to do two things that are imperative.

1. You need to start from a blank canvas. You need to wash this notion of gravity from your mind or you simply waste your own time and mine.

2. Stop being under so much peer pressure that your mind is so focused on anyone who has an opposing theory having to have it peer reviewed for it to be correct and that they are simply tin foil hats if they don't.

Peer review is bandied about too loosely. You need to understand that your model is the accepted model and no model is going to be allowed to detract from that. This should then open your mind to peer review being only available to those who's theories coincide with the actual model given out or can better it and make it more concrete looking.
Anyone with a theory against it will not be peer reviewed, except for their mental state, then ridiculed to hell or strung up and filled with whatever dumbs them down.

Basically speaking; peer review is boased for one model. Arguing this means your mind is so set, it requires no further input from me to you.

If you can do the things I asked and open your mind, you may have a chance. If you're too weak to even dare to take that road; I understand.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #322 on: February 24, 2015, 05:43:48 AM »
There is no downward force as such.
You'll never understand it whilst you hang onto your fictional gravity force or whatever it's supposed to be as whatever force it is.
I am using gravity as a comparison. This is twice I have asked you in this thread for an explanation of how your atmospheric pressure draws things towards the Earth in lieu of gravity to pull it down. Are you going to answer it any time soon? I am perfectly able to see if your theory is so much as sound on its own terms, if you would begin answering the questions posed.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #323 on: February 24, 2015, 06:08:02 AM »
Very correct. This is exactly what happens. Lift falling would be another good example but the thing here is that your denpressure theory explains that the force that causes the motion downwards at free fall comes from the air pressure does it not? Only force acting inside the lift has to be coming from the pressure conditions inside the lift.
 Gravity and universal acceleration was abandoned, so cannot be them then. Or are you suggesting that air pressure penetrates always any barrier preventing us to manipulate air pressure locally at all?
So how does observer inside the lift or aircraft cabin know about the pressure conditions outside? It's an isolated pressure pocket. Using denpressure's own terms and little deduction you would expect that object inside the lift will fall or ascend always relative to the container that it is in because its dependent pressure conditions inside. Floating inside the lift cannot ever occur in this theory without a vacuum. But this floating does happen in your very own example, so where does the extra force come from that prevents object inside the pressure pocket to not move relative to the lift walls? Not saying anything about gravity but you need something fix the theory here.
To understand it all you have to understand that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Let's start from here and you can grill me as much as you like on anything, as long as you do it whilst legitimately attempting to understand it without using gravity as a bias.
The term " what goes up, must come down" doesn't speak much of why - but it does if it's looked at in the right context, meaning not using gravity as the reason.

Anyway that's for later. First of all, it requires energy to push mass/density into the sky.
Let's use the lift as an example.
A person in a lift can only ascend if there is a force PUSHING that person up. In this case it is the lift floor, only.
The thing is, for that lift floor to push the person up, something has to be pushing that lift up.
This is done via steel cables  on a wheel at the top attached to the lift.
Yeah I know, it's simple and plain...but is it?
A lift does not pull up and nothing pulls it down. There is no such thing as PULL no matter what you try to use to prove there is.

No pull means no gravity.
Ok, so back to energy applied to lift the mass/density (person) up. That energy has overcome the force that was keeping it pushed to the Earth. That force is atmospheric pressure upon the mass/density in psi. In this case, 15psi.

That energy on that mass has left that mass suspended in the atmosphere, still under psi pressure. It's mass is pushing against that atmosphere. That mass/density (person) takes up that amount of atmosphere it displaces. Basically it's pushing against it aided by a holding cable that is also holding another mass/density in the lift itself.

That energy now becomes potential energy of that mass against the atmosphere, so once that potential energy is turned back into energy by releasing the holding cable, that mass will overcome the air friction under it because the atmosphere above it is not balanced out. The atmosphere above it is fractionally less pressure. It may only be minute but it's all that's needed to unbalance it.
The thing is, it has to be equalised and the only thing stopping it being equalised is the mass itself at rest or when it's in motion.

To make this simple for you, let's imagine that your head is under 15 psi on the ground. That pressure upon your head gets channelled around your body to the tops of your feet.
The bottom of your feet are resisting all of that pressure upon your head and also around your body. Above your head it is compressed due to your head pushing into it and forcing the atmosphere around you where it grips your body.
It's all forcing you down as you force against it. It's a push of push.

If you jump up against that, you compress that atmosphere above you and force more of it back down your body in a grip which pushes you back down.
Now you can argue that it's gravity pulling you but your argument has no merit at all.
You can't explain why it does this except to say that mass attracts mass. It's not even a real argument.

Anyway back to the lift that has now started to free fall.
The lift overcomes the atmospheric pressure below it. The lift and you start to fall. As the lift pushes the air pressure below it, it compresses that air which now does the opposite to you when you stood on the ground to jump UP against it.

Because of this, you create a higher pressure than above. This pressure difference has to be equalised which it does by the compressed air being pushed back around the lift to equalise at the top. The problem is it can never do it, because it's in motion.

Once you understand that nothing pulls you may understand that gravity is made up nonsense.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #324 on: February 24, 2015, 06:08:56 AM »
There is no downward force as such.
You'll never understand it whilst you hang onto your fictional gravity force or whatever it's supposed to be as whatever force it is.
I am using gravity as a comparison. This is twice I have asked you in this thread for an explanation of how your atmospheric pressure draws things towards the Earth in lieu of gravity to pull it down. Are you going to answer it any time soon? I am perfectly able to see if your theory is so much as sound on its own terms, if you would begin answering the questions posed.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #325 on: February 24, 2015, 06:13:08 AM »
I am using gravity as a comparison. This is twice I have asked you in this thread for an explanation of how your atmospheric pressure draws things towards the Earth in lieu of gravity to pull it down. Are you going to answer it any time soon? I am perfectly able to see if your theory is so much as sound on its own terms, if you would begin answering the questions posed.
What's your question?
How does your atmospheric pressure know which way is towards the Earth? 'Down', if you will.

Also, your notion that forces cannot pull is either false, or meaningless, depending how you're justifying it. It's false because we can pull things happily: but, if you're saying that we don't actually pull those things, we squeeze or reach around/push, then your argument has become a purely semantic one. It's trivial to say that gravity 'pulls' in the same way we pull: by reaching out and drawing in.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #326 on: February 24, 2015, 06:15:46 AM »
You go on about me describing gravity by mentioning atmospheric pressure. Of course I'm describing gravity. It's because gravity has been battered into your head. So what everyone observes, is put down to gravity. I'm explaining it with atmospheric pressure, so immediately you revert back to your brainwashed gravity.

Except atmospheric pressure does not exist without gravity. Unless you're appealing so some other net downwards force, in which case please explain. This is exactly what you demand of those who accept gravity. If you're appealing to an abstract 'well, it's just this,' then how does it know which way is down? Gravity has this explained (due to large bodies of mass), which sets it apart from your guess there and then. Unless your explanation is the same, and 'down' means 'towards large masses' in which case what you've described is literally gravity. That's not me reverting, it's exactly what you'd be saying.
Sure, the theory of gravity is not 100% complete. That's how science works: there are gaps, they get filled. But it makes sense, and the gaps in the theory are just that: gaps, voids, not incoherencies such as your 'the atmosphere knows which way  is down because I say so'.

This is without getting onto issues such as expertise and corroboration and peer-review.
There is no downward force as such.

Then why does everything fall back down?  Why not fly to the left, the right, or up?  Why down?

Why when a ball is thrown to the right and up, does it continue traveling right as denpressure pushes it back to the ground?  Why doesn't it get pushed back to the thrower's hand?

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #327 on: February 24, 2015, 06:20:02 AM »
How does your atmospheric pressure know which way is towards the Earth? 'Down', if you will.
Because it's stacked from the ground up, meaning more mass at ground level and less mass above due to compression build up of the stack.
Think of it like running a bath which just happens to be a dome covered bath. You fill that bath to the top. Which has more pressure? bottom of the bath or top of the bath dome?
Also, your notion that forces cannot pull is either false, or meaningless, depending how you're justifying it.
 It's false because we can pull things happily: but, if you're saying that we don't actually pull those things, we squeeze or reach around/push, then your argument has become a purely semantic one. It's trivial to say that gravity 'pulls' in the same way we pull: by reaching out and drawing in.
It's not trivial at all. Nothing pulls at all and the sooner you understand this the sooner you'll see gravity as a lie. I don't expect you to of course. I think you're already so set in your ways. I'm still going to explain it to anyone that wants to understand, regardless.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #328 on: February 24, 2015, 06:28:38 AM »
Then why does everything fall back down?  Why not fly to the left, the right, or up?  Why down?
Any mass/density on the ground is under pressure. To raise that mass/density you need a force higher than the force keeping it on the ground. In this case it's your hand. That force is still encasing that ball's mass and is always pushing back against that ball's mass/density that's displaced that atmosphere.
You push the ball up and you compress the air above it. That air will force it back down to try and equalise because you created a lower pressure underneath the ball as you lift it up against the higher pressure you're compressing the air above with it.
Why when a ball is thrown to the right and up, does it continue traveling right as denpressure pushes it back to the ground?  Why doesn't it get pushed back to the thrower's hand?
Because the atmosphere is stacked, so as you use energy to throw up and away from you, the ball compresses that atmosphere which pushes back. So you simply get an arc as it's being pushed back against for the duration of that peak energy.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #329 on: February 24, 2015, 06:47:36 AM »
Then why does everything fall back down?  Why not fly to the left, the right, or up?  Why down?
Any mass/density on the ground is under pressure. To raise that mass/density you need a force higher than the force keeping it on the ground. In this case it's your hand. That force is still encasing that ball's mass and is always pushing back against that ball's mass/density that's displaced that atmosphere.
You push the ball up and you compress the air above it. That air will force it back down to try and equalise because you created a lower pressure underneath the ball as you lift it up against the higher pressure you're compressing the air above with it.
Why when a ball is thrown to the right and up, does it continue traveling right as denpressure pushes it back to the ground?  Why doesn't it get pushed back to the thrower's hand?
Because the atmosphere is stacked, so as you use energy to throw up and away from you, the ball compresses that atmosphere which pushes back. So you simply get an arc as it's being pushed back against for the duration of that peak energy.
But why doesn't the ball compress the air to the right of it and get pushed back?  Isn't your view of the earth inside a sealed ice dome?  Why just down?  What causes the air to be stacked if there isn't anything pushing down on the air?  How does it know down?