Gravity = Air Pressure

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #180 on: November 28, 2014, 01:56:10 AM »
To enable that brick to go into the atmosphere, it requires some kind of energy to do that. You supply that by applyng your energy to lift that brick against that atmospheric force pushing down on it.
But why is is pushing down, why not up, or left?


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The down direction is a direct opposite to energy pushing in the upward direction from the ground.
Eh?  I honestly can't make this out at all.

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Think of it like putting coins in a tube from the bottom. The first coins you put in are easy with your energy. As that tube fills up, the pressure upon your finger becomes stronger, meaning you have to use more energy each time you push up.
Yes, that's because gravity is acted on the coins, and as you add more mass they get heavier.  Remember we are trying to do this without gravity.


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Now imagine that with atmosphere, then you in it. You push it out of the way with your body and that atmosphere pushes down on you
Again, why down, why not up?


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This is when the atmosphere is pushing down against your resistance (hand).
Again, why down?


You seem to be trying to replace gravity with air pressure, yet gravity is at the heart of your theory.  Without gravity pushing things down  everything would float around.
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« Reply #181 on: November 28, 2014, 02:28:22 AM »
septic the gravity of the situation seems to escape you.

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« Reply #182 on: November 28, 2014, 12:15:42 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance

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« Reply #183 on: November 28, 2014, 12:19:36 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance

He believes the scant few air molecules that are not evacuated, expand to fill the chamber creating a resisting medium.  Yes, I wrote that: he thinks molecules expand.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #184 on: November 28, 2014, 12:30:04 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance
Objects will fall at the same rate to the eye in vacuum chamber, The truth is you need a lot of height to to see that they don't actually do that. A chamber is just too small. That's why a football and a iron ball will fall at the same rate from your chest height. There's no time to build enough momentum to see they would differ.

I am 100% confident that gravity is a con. 100%. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind. I absolutely know for a fact that denpressure is the reason for everything that happens on Earth.
It kills off all the space bullshit we are fed in its entirety. Naturally I don't expect people to believe me. All I ask is for people to study what I'm saying and it will become evident if they have the patience.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #185 on: November 28, 2014, 12:32:13 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance

He believes the scant few air molecules that are not evacuated, expand to fill the chamber creating a resisting medium.  Yes, I wrote that: he thinks molecules expand.
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #186 on: November 28, 2014, 12:40:19 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance
Objects will fall at the same rate to the eye in vacuum chamber, The truth is you need a lot of height to to see that they don't actually do that. A chamber is just too small. That's why a football and a iron ball will fall at the same rate from your chest height. There's no time to build enough momentum to see they would differ.

I am 100% confident that gravity is a con. 100%. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind. I absolutely know for a fact that denpressure is the reason for everything that happens on Earth.
It kills off all the space bullshit we are fed in its entirety. Naturally I don't expect people to believe me. All I ask is for people to study what I'm saying and it will become evident if they have the patience.

I don't know about gravity being a con, But I can see your point on all this. I still think if you remove all the air from any size chamber objects would pretty much fall at the same rate. Why wouldn't they? there is NOTHING to keep that from happening. I don't think gravity has anything to do with this.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #187 on: November 28, 2014, 12:49:43 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance
Objects will fall at the same rate to the eye in vacuum chamber, The truth is you need a lot of height to to see that they don't actually do that. A chamber is just too small. That's why a football and a iron ball will fall at the same rate from your chest height. There's no time to build enough momentum to see they would differ.

I am 100% confident that gravity is a con. 100%. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind. I absolutely know for a fact that denpressure is the reason for everything that happens on Earth.
It kills off all the space bullshit we are fed in its entirety. Naturally I don't expect people to believe me. All I ask is for people to study what I'm saying and it will become evident if they have the patience.

I don't know about gravity being a con, But I can see your point on all this. I still think if you remove all the air from any size chamber objects would pretty much fall at the same rate. Why wouldn't they? there is NOTHING to keep that from happening. I don't think gravity has anything to do with this.
If you evacuate all the air from a chamber it ceases to exist as a chamber. It would be crushed. It can't be done.

You can evacuate a lot of air from it and drop things and they will appear to drop at the same time to even slow motion equipment, but they are only dropping from a small height.
The resistance on the objects would be very small.
What you have to remember though, you have to exert energy to gain energy in equal amounts.
Any object out into a vacuum chamber has to be hoisted by energy for them to become potential energy before they are dropped. It's not gravity pulling them down it's atmospheric pressure upon the mass/density. Action and reaction at all times.

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.


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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #188 on: November 28, 2014, 12:51:11 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance

He believes the scant few air molecules that are not evacuated, expand to fill the chamber creating a resisting medium.  Yes, I wrote that: he thinks molecules expand.
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.
no, the glove expands until forces are equal. Elemental and molecular bond length are known.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #189 on: November 28, 2014, 12:55:40 PM »
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.
Reduction in pressure outside the balloon, allowing pressure inside balloon to push outward, thus expanding it.  You have never proven molecules and atoms grow to fill all voids. 

If they keep expanding when evacuating air from a vacuum chamber, at what point will they become big enough to see?

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.
They don't float because of gravity.  They are falling.  They 'float' because of their lateral velocity.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #190 on: November 28, 2014, 01:04:30 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance
Objects will fall at the same rate to the eye in vacuum chamber, The truth is you need a lot of height to to see that they don't actually do that. A chamber is just too small. That's why a football and a iron ball will fall at the same rate from your chest height. There's no time to build enough momentum to see they would differ.

I am 100% confident that gravity is a con. 100%. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind. I absolutely know for a fact that denpressure is the reason for everything that happens on Earth.
It kills off all the space bullshit we are fed in its entirety. Naturally I don't expect people to believe me. All I ask is for people to study what I'm saying and it will become evident if they have the patience.

I don't know about gravity being a con, But I can see your point on all this. I still think if you remove all the air from any size chamber objects would pretty much fall at the same rate. Why wouldn't they? there is NOTHING to keep that from happening. I don't think gravity has anything to do with this.
If you evacuate all the air from a chamber it ceases to exist as a chamber. It would be crushed. It can't be done.

You can evacuate a lot of air from it and drop things and they will appear to drop at the same time to even slow motion equipment, but they are only dropping from a small height.
The resistance on the objects would be very small.
What you have to remember though, you have to exert energy to gain energy in equal amounts.
Any object out into a vacuum chamber has to be hoisted by energy for them to become potential energy before they are dropped. It's not gravity pulling them down it's atmospheric pressure upon the mass/density. Action and reaction at all times.

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.



I must say, I think you are correct. I never did believe in gravity, I just accepted what I was taught. Your explanation makes a lot more sense to me.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #191 on: November 28, 2014, 01:10:40 PM »
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.
Reduction in pressure outside the balloon, allowing pressure inside balloon to push outward, thus expanding it.  You have never proven molecules and atoms grow to fill all voids. 

If they keep expanding when evacuating air from a vacuum chamber, at what point will they become big enough to see?

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.
They don't float because of gravity.  They are falling.  They 'float' because of their lateral velocity.

Where does the lateral velocity come from?
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #192 on: November 28, 2014, 02:20:07 PM »
Wait, you actually believed something sceptic said?

Gravity is real. Pick an object, let it fall and will hit the ground because of that. The theory of  gravity is another thing. As far as science knows, appears to be related to objects' mass.

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« Reply #193 on: November 28, 2014, 02:25:48 PM »
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.
Reduction in pressure outside the balloon, allowing pressure inside balloon to push outward, thus expanding it.  You have never proven molecules and atoms grow to fill all voids. 

If they keep expanding when evacuating air from a vacuum chamber, at what point will they become big enough to see?

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.
They don't float because of gravity.  They are falling.  They 'float' because of their lateral velocity.

Where does the lateral velocity come from?
From the rocket that pushed the object into space...

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #194 on: November 28, 2014, 04:10:13 PM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance
Objects will fall at the same rate to the eye in vacuum chamber, The truth is you need a lot of height to to see that they don't actually do that. A chamber is just too small. That's why a football and a iron ball will fall at the same rate from your chest height. There's no time to build enough momentum to see they would differ.

I am 100% confident that gravity is a con. 100%. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind. I absolutely know for a fact that denpressure is the reason for everything that happens on Earth.
It kills off all the space bullshit we are fed in its entirety. Naturally I don't expect people to believe me. All I ask is for people to study what I'm saying and it will become evident if they have the patience.

I don't know about gravity being a con, But I can see your point on all this. I still think if you remove all the air from any size chamber objects would pretty much fall at the same rate. Why wouldn't they? there is NOTHING to keep that from happening. I don't think gravity has anything to do with this.
If you evacuate all the air from a chamber it ceases to exist as a chamber. It would be crushed. It can't be done.

You can evacuate a lot of air from it and drop things and they will appear to drop at the same time to even slow motion equipment, but they are only dropping from a small height.
The resistance on the objects would be very small.
What you have to remember though, you have to exert energy to gain energy in equal amounts.
Any object out into a vacuum chamber has to be hoisted by energy for them to become potential energy before they are dropped. It's not gravity pulling them down it's atmospheric pressure upon the mass/density. Action and reaction at all times.

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.
I will help you with that: if you take all of the air out of a chamber (at sea level), there will just be a force of 1kg/cm2 crushing it. Internal force: 0 External force: 1 (kg/cm2)
If we take a tire with a manometric pressure of 1 bar, the force will be THE SAME, 2 internal - 1 internal, but it will tend to expand it, not compress it. The total force experienced by the chamber is just the difference between the internal and external
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #195 on: November 28, 2014, 10:09:18 PM »
Well it may be possible that air is just much heavier then us and that because air is so much heavier then us and space is even heavier then air that if you are in inner-space you will pretty much stick to any object because space is much heavier then the solid objects cause space is made out of an extremely heavy substance that we slip through with great ease but the viscosity is so great that we shrink down in size up to millions of times in inner-space.

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« Reply #196 on: November 28, 2014, 10:40:29 PM »
Well it may be possible that air is just much heavier then us and that because air is so much heavier then us and space is even heavier then air that if you are in inner-space you will pretty much stick to any object because space is much heavier then the solid objects cause space is made out of an extremely heavy substance that we slip through with great ease but the viscosity is so great that we shrink down in size up to millions of times in inner-space.
Actually, no.
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #197 on: November 28, 2014, 11:02:14 PM »
People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.
Why is it that you don't know anything about gravity, as shown in this statement, yet you deny it?
Why are you misleading Yendor, and a lot of other people?

No scientist, no NASA scientist, no modern scientist has ever claimed that in space there is no gravity. That is what you are claiming by "float in space" right? If not, disregard this. But you have just treaded onto the path of a Kerbal Space Program fanatic, and you will not get away with it.

In movies, they often depict space travel from Earth with a gravity cutoff, where all of a sudden, after they reach a certain altitude, all gravity goes away. This is not true, and it's clear Sceptimatic hasn't done any research on the subject. The gravity of Earth actually extends much further than the even the moon. The gravity of Earth on the International Space Station is virtually the same that it is on the ground. So, how can this be? Why do people float in space? Well, as someone else has pointed out, the moon, and the ISS are in orbit. All spacecraft in space are. Their lateral velocity is actually just high enough to essentially "miss" the Earth as they fall. Think about throwing a ball on the moon (no air resistance in this scenario, makes things a bit easier). You throw the ball with not much force, and it falls a few hundred feet away. Every time you throw the ball, you add more force and it goes further. Now, you throw the ball with so much force, that its velocity is high enough to circle the entire moon, and it will continue doing so, until something stops it (a human does not actually have the strength to propel a ball to the velocity required to achieve orbit on the moon at just 2 meters in altitude, this is just an example).

The only reason astronauts "float" in space, is, humorously, because they are falling with their spacecraft. They both have the same velocity, so it just looks like they are floating. In reality, both the ISS and the astronauts inside are moving a nice smooth 7.66 kilometers per second around the world.

Where does the lateral velocity come from?
If you've ever watched a rocket launch, never do the rockets go straight up. They slowly swing off to the north, west, east, south, or anything in between, depending on what their trajectory calls for. Eventually, rockets end up thrusting parallel to the Earth, pointing around towards the horizon. This all increases their lateral velocity to establish orbit, or else they would fall right back down to Earth, no matter what altitude they are in. The lateral velocity comes from the boosting of the rocket, simply, laterally.
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« Reply #198 on: November 29, 2014, 12:52:48 AM »
If you evacuate all the air from a chamber it ceases to exist as a chamber. It would be crushed. It can't be done.

This has to be the most nonsensical comment I've seen for a long time here!  And it just goes to show that sceptimatic has absolutely zero knowledge of structural mechanics or strength of materials theory.

The following is nothing more than a pointless mishmash of nonsensical drivel.  It's just a collection of barely literal sentences that ultimately mean nothing.  Why sceptimatic bothers to post this sort of rubbish escapes me—as it does most other people here I'm sure.

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You can evacuate a lot of air from it and drop things and they will appear to drop at the same time to even slow motion equipment, but they are only dropping from a small height.
The resistance on the objects would be very small.
What you have to remember though, you have to exert energy to gain energy in equal amounts.
Any object out into a vacuum chamber has to be hoisted by energy for them to become potential energy before they are dropped. It's not gravity pulling them down it's atmospheric pressure upon the mass/density. Action and reaction at all times.

People believe a  vacuum will make things fall faster on Earth but then they go and tell you that they float in space. Can you see the con?
The con is gravity.

And he still doesn't understand the differences between mass and density.  Sad really.  For him.   ::)



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« Reply #199 on: November 29, 2014, 01:19:41 AM »
Have a read of this septic.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/no-sleep-til-fusion/

You ever try putting a vacuum gauge in your ear?.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #200 on: November 29, 2014, 03:29:38 AM »
Scepti, If you do remove the air from a chamber, why do you not believe objects will fall at the same rate. If there is no air resistance what other force would be present to change their rate of fall? no air=no resistance

He believes the scant few air molecules that are not evacuated, expand to fill the chamber creating a resisting medium.  Yes, I wrote that: he thinks molecules expand.
The proof is there when you put a deflated balloon into a chamber. Evacuate the chamber and the balloon blows up. If that's not proof, I dont know what is. It's there in your face.
no, the glove expands until forces are equal. Elemental and molecular bond length are known.
I'm talking about a balloon sitting iside a chamber not a glove outside of the chamber. Two different things. Understand this and you may get to grips, maybe.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #201 on: November 29, 2014, 03:36:15 AM »
Reduction in pressure outside the balloon, allowing pressure inside balloon to push outward, thus expanding it.  You have never proven molecules and atoms grow to fill all voids. 

If they keep expanding when evacuating air from a vacuum chamber, at what point will they become big enough to see?
The bigger they are the less you see. the more condensed they are, the more you sort of see what it is.
Not the exact same thing but imagine this.
If you have a white balloon that would never pop and it's deflated, you see it as white, right?
Now imagine blowing up the balloon and what happens?
You start to see it become a lighter shade of white and so on and so on until it becomes see through.
Try and think like that for expansion and contraction.

They don't float because of gravity.  They are falling.  They 'float' because of their lateral velocity.
Well this is space isn't it and you know what I think of that. This will never help you grasp what I'm saying, it will just hinder you.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #202 on: November 29, 2014, 03:42:11 AM »
I must say, I think you are correct. I never did believe in gravity, I just accepted what I was taught. Your explanation makes a lot more sense to me.
I promise you this. If you study what I'm saying and discard gravity in your thoughts, even if it's just to grasp what I'm saying, you will have an excellnt chance to see why gravity is crap and why what we've been told is crap about space and exploits, plus a spinning globe.
It takes a really deep thinker to get past this gravity.
Just remember; scientists do not know what gravity is. They pretend they know what it does but can't figure it out as any kind of force. It's just magic.

Imagine if I was on here telling these people that gravity is just a magic force that simply does this and that with the same expanations. I'd still be called a raving lunatic.  ;D

I am so sure of what I'm saying, I've never been as sure of anything in my whle life. It's 100% correct. Denpressure is gravity and most people can't equate it because gravity has been so ingrained into the psyche it's as comman as bread and butter.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #203 on: November 29, 2014, 03:43:46 AM »
Wait, you actually believed something sceptic said?

Gravity is real. Pick an object, let it fall and will hit the ground because of that. The theory of  gravity is another thing. As far as science knows, appears to be related to objects' mass.
That's no answer is it?

Pick an object up? ...come on man, put some effort in.

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« Reply #204 on: November 29, 2014, 03:48:45 AM »
I must say, I think you are correct. I never did believe in gravity, I just accepted what I was taught. Your explanation makes a lot more sense to me.
I promise you this. If you study what I'm saying and discard gravity in your thoughts, even if it's just to grasp what I'm saying, you will have an excellnt chance to see why gravity is crap and why what we've been told is crap about space and exploits, plus a spinning globe.
It takes a really deep thinker to get past this gravity.
Just remember; scientists do not know what gravity is. They pretend they know what it does but can't figure it out as any kind of force. It's just magic.

Imagine if I was on here telling these people that gravity is just a magic force that simply does this and that with the same expanations. I'd still be called a raving lunatic.  ;D

I am so sure of what I'm saying, I've never been as sure of anything in my whle life. It's 100% correct. Denpressure is gravity and most people can't equate it because gravity has been so ingrained into the psyche it's as comman as bread and butter.

The whole line of thinking about scientists "not even knowing what gravity is" is such a red herring. We don't know what electro-magnetism in this way either. We say it is a force that is mediated by the exchange of virtual photons, but we don't really know what it is. For some reason, fragile human psyches latch on to gravity as something more mysterious and it does not make sense.

Why do you doubt gravity but not electro-magnetism?
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #205 on: November 29, 2014, 03:52:19 AM »
I will help you with that: if you take all of the air out of a chamber (at sea level), there will just be a force of 1kg/cm2 crushing it. Internal force: 0 External force: 1 (kg/cm2)
If we take a tire with a manometric pressure of 1 bar, the force will be THE SAME, 2 internal - 1 internal, but it will tend to expand it, not compress it. The total force experienced by the chamber is just the difference between the internal and external
That chamber before evacuation has around 15 psi of pressure acting upon the top of it. It also has that pressure from the top of it pushed inside of it toequalise the pressure between the thin glass jar (vacuum chamber).
When you evacuate the air from it, you are now adding to the pressure upon the chamber by pushing the air inside it back into the atmosphere above it which the glass itself has to try and stop. If only a certain amount of evacuated, the bell jar will hold but will be under extreme pressure. Try and take too much out and that jar will implode, no doubt about it.
It's all about stable equalisation at the start as a push on push of air. Once you change that push, you create an uneven air pressure.
This has to happen in life or we die. Action/reaction at all times.


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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #206 on: November 29, 2014, 03:59:07 AM »

The bigger they are the less you see. the more condensed they are, the more you sort of see what it is.
Not the exact same thing but imagine this.
If you have a white balloon that would never pop and it's deflated, you see it as white, right?
Now imagine blowing up the balloon and what happens?
You start to see it become a lighter shade of white and so on and so on until it becomes see through.
Try and think like that for expansion and contraction.

From this load of childish drivel, I'm guessing that sceptimatic would make an excellent kindergarten teacher LOL.

He seems to be able to reduce every complicated scientific theory to some sort of imaginative fairy tale. 

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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #207 on: November 29, 2014, 04:08:28 AM »
Why is it that you don't know anything about gravity, as shown in this statement, yet you deny it?
Why are you misleading Yendor, and a lot of other people?
I'm not misleading anyone. You people are being misled and you won't look iinto it. All you ant to do is aid in it by trying to stop people thinking for themselves and to follow protocol, kind of thing.
I'm sure Yendor is smart enough to decide for humself. All I ask if for people to open their mind and try and see what I'm saying, that's it. What you actually decide to do is your choice...allow others to make theirs.
No scientist, no NASA scientist, no modern scientist has ever claimed that in space there is no gravity. That is what you are claiming by "float in space" right? If not, disregard this. But you have just treaded onto the path of a Kerbal Space Program fanatic, and you will not get away with it.
I don't go by any space programs, why would I?
One minute we're told that people can just float away and the next they will fall back to Earth and all the rest of it. It's ridiculous and people should see it for what it is.
In movies, they often depict space travel from Earth with a gravity cutoff, where all of a sudden, after they reach a certain altitude, all gravity goes away. This is not true, and it's clear Sceptimatic hasn't done any research on the subject.
So why do they depict it? In movies the actors go to pians in telling us how much research they do to play the part in a film. Are you telling me that where space is cocnerned, they don't do the research to find out how to show us what the so called experts have shown them?
It's clap trap.

 
The gravity of Earth actually extends much further than the even the moon. The gravity of Earth on the International Space Station is virtually the same that it is on the ground.
Yes because you've been told all this stuff. You don't actually know, do you?

So, how can this be? Why do people float in space? Well, as someone else has pointed out, the moon, and the ISS are in orbit. All spacecraft in space are. Their lateral velocity is actually just high enough to essentially "miss" the Earth as they fall.
Look. When someone goes around on a swing  and the swing chain smaps, they fly off and land in some bushes no matter how fast they go.
The Earth and it's so called space craft whizzing around it, do it the opposite way held on by an invisible and unprovable force acting like the swings chain and people just buy into it as it f makes sense.

Think about throwing a ball on the moon (no air resistance in this scenario, makes things a bit easier). You throw the ball with not much force, and it falls a few hundred feet away. Every time you throw the ball, you add more force and it goes further. Now, you throw the ball with so much force, that its velocity is high enough to circle the entire moon, and it will continue doing so, until something stops it (a human does not actually have the strength to propel a ball to the velocity required to achieve orbit on the moon at just 2 meters in altitude, this is just an example).
Think about being a human in an extreme low pressure environment. Now think about the balloon in the vacuum chamber. That's all you need to know about it all. It's not happening by any stretch of the imagination, except by sci-fi fantasy imagination.
 
The only reason astronauts "float" in space, is, humorously, because they are falling with their spacecraft. They both have the same velocity, so it just looks like they are floating. In reality, both the ISS and the astronauts inside are moving a nice smooth 7.66 kilometers per second around the world.

Yeah, it's all good for leisurely sci-fi but we are trying to gain reality here.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #208 on: November 29, 2014, 04:11:54 AM »
The whole line of thinking about scientists "not even knowing what gravity is" is such a red herring. We don't know what electro-magnetism in this way either. We say it is a force that is mediated by the exchange of virtual photons, but we don't really know what it is. For some reason, fragile human psyches latch on to gravity as something more mysterious and it does not make sense.

Why do you doubt gravity but not electro-magnetism?
It's all atmospheric pressure, the lot, including electrmagnetism and simple magnets. Everything is atmospheric pressure, just not in how you look at the basics of it.
People seem to think atmospheric pressure is just a bit of wind in your face and such. It is in the most basic concept but in the wider context, it's the very reason everything works as it does.

Denpressure is the key to it all for those who've took notice.

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #209 on: November 29, 2014, 04:28:59 AM »

Denpressure is the key to it all for those who've took notice.

And yet again, sceptimatic forgets about the other keys of "thermonewtons" and "electropascals".

Tsk, tsk, tsk...    :D