Gravity = Air Pressure

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2014, 10:26:53 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.
Do you have a picture of a soap bubble in still air that isn't spherical?
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« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2014, 10:39:56 AM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.
Do you have a picture of a soap bubble in still air that isn't spherical?


Earth wasn't as spherical at one time as it is now either. Given time it got more spherical, just like these bubbles probably became shortly after this snapshot.

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« Reply #122 on: November 24, 2014, 11:37:31 AM »
Do you know what steam is?
Yes

Your proof molecules grow bigger is... that you say so?

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« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2014, 12:00:03 PM »
Why are soap bubbles spherical?
They aren't. Not true spherical.
Do you have a picture of a soap bubble in still air that isn't spherical?


Earth wasn't as spherical at one time as it is now either. Given time it got more spherical, just like these bubbles probably became shortly after this snapshot.

Or they popped.
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« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2014, 02:15:39 PM »
So. We can't prove molecules expand.
Yes I have proved they expand.
No, you haven't, and you never will.
Do you know what steam is?
Molecules and particles do not expand, they vibrate as a result of an increase in heat.
They vibrate due to expansion and contraction.
Infrared spectroscopy disagrees with what you say. You are going to need to disprove it.

Steam is H2O molecules in vapor form. The H2O molecule in steam is no bigger in any way.
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« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2014, 06:19:10 PM »
Steam is H2O molecules in vapor form. The H2O molecule in steam is no bigger in any way.

It's obvious from his previous comments that sceptimatic has absolutely no idea of atomic structure.  Even a grade school kid can tell you what steam is LOL.

And surely sceptimatic must've at least passed grade school?  Or maybe not.   ;D


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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2014, 01:06:39 PM »
Steam is H2O molecules in vapor form. The H2O molecule in steam is no bigger in any way.

It's obvious from his previous comments that sceptimatic has absolutely no idea of atomic structure.  Even a grade school kid can tell you what steam is LOL.

And surely sceptimatic must've at least passed grade school?  Or maybe not.   ;D

I really wonder what his qualifications are. Actually, I wonder about the studies of all flat earthers. Has any of them gone to university at least?
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« Reply #127 on: November 26, 2014, 01:18:24 PM »
I really wonder what his qualifications are. Actually, I wonder about the studies of all flat earthers. Has any of them gone to university at least?
Of the original society members (most of whom have gone) they were pretty well educated, most graduates - definitely above average.  On the other hand, they are only pretending the earth is flat so....meh
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #128 on: November 26, 2014, 03:29:39 PM »
Steam is H2O molecules in vapor form. The H2O molecule in steam is no bigger in any way.

It's obvious from his previous comments that sceptimatic has absolutely no idea of atomic structure.  Even a grade school kid can tell you what steam is LOL.

And surely sceptimatic must've at least passed grade school?  Or maybe not.   ;D

I really wonder what his qualifications are. Actually, I wonder about the studies of all flat earthers. Has any of them gone to university at least?
Being indoctrinated at a university in astrophysics and such, does not give a person any expertise on what's in that sky. It does give them expertise on their ability or absorb and regurgitate. That's it.

Predicting outcomes is not expertise if you cannot see those predictions turned to fact.
I can petend I'm an expert of predicting football matches based on the form of a team - the weather - condition of the pitch - where the match is played - the loudness and passion of the fans - the speed and fitness of the players, etc, etc.
I can still lose my bet, because I cannot physically prove the outcome until the game is over.

Space science is much worse than that, because predictions are made that can never be physically verified, yet a panel of so called experts can decide it to be real without that evidence and this is known as peer review.

Like the football. A pools panel can give a team a home win or an away win based on what they predict would have happened if the match had gone ahead. This doesn't make them experts or even correct in any way, shape or form, except that people accept them to be so and the game stands in terms of someone standing to win the football pools based on that prediction or football peer review.

Most of the people on here that argue against a flat Earth, do so because this place has taught them to study the wealth of ready made bullshit that's literally at the touch of a few buttons. It's on a plate.

 

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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #129 on: November 26, 2014, 03:43:45 PM »
Steam is H2O molecules in vapor form. The H2O molecule in steam is no bigger in any way.

It's obvious from his previous comments that sceptimatic has absolutely no idea of atomic structure.  Even a grade school kid can tell you what steam is LOL.

And surely sceptimatic must've at least passed grade school?  Or maybe not.   ;D

I really wonder what his qualifications are. Actually, I wonder about the studies of all flat earthers. Has any of them gone to university at least?
Being indoctrinated at a university in astrophysics and such, does not give a person any expertise on what's in that sky. It does give them expertise on their ability or absorb and regurgitate. That's it.

Predicting outcomes is not expertise if you cannot see those predictions turned to fact.
I can petend I'm an expert of predicting football matches based on the form of a team - the weather - condition of the pitch - where the match is played - the loudness and passion of the fans - the speed and fitness of the players, etc, etc.
I can still lose my bet, because I cannot physically prove the outcome until the game is over.

Space science is much worse than that, because predictions are made that can never be physically verified, yet a panel of so called experts can decide it to be real without that evidence and this is known as peer review.

Like the football. A pools panel can give a team a home win or an away win based on what they predict would have happened if the match had gone ahead. This doesn't make them experts or even correct in any way, shape or form, except that people accept them to be so and the game stands in terms of someone standing to win the football pools based on that prediction or football peer review.

Most of the people on here that argue against a flat Earth, do so because this place has taught them to study the wealth of ready made bullshit that's literally at the touch of a few buttons. It's on a plate.

Can you predict the amount of water that a steel cube that is 4 inches tall will displace scepti? How about an iron one?

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« Reply #130 on: November 26, 2014, 04:39:26 PM »
First, going to university proves I can learn, I have the ability to solve problems maybe you or other people can't. I get a lot of information, MOST OF WHICH IS DEMONSTRATED AND OBTAINED FROM SIMPLE PHYSICAL AND MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS. In what I've studied of aeronautic engineering, they haven't put me a single formula without telling me where it comes from. And really, it is not that difficult once you understand it. Scepti you obviously don't have any qualifications, given that your inability to understand basic physics (and I mean Newton's laws, basic fluid mechanics like pressure or buoyancy, etc.).
None of your theories have and scientific basis, they are just especulations without any logical thinking behind. You think you are smarter than us for refusing to believe anything they tell you. You think you are thinking by yourself, when what you are actually doing is discarding any new information you get without thinking about it. That's not intelligence. That's stupidity. When you start to at least think and consider what we tell you, I'll take you seriously. Until that moment, you are just a troll and I'll just argue with you for fun :P
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2014, 04:50:40 PM »
First, going to university proves I can learn, I have the ability to solve problems maybe you or other people can't. I get a lot of information, MOST OF WHICH IS DEMONSTRATED AND OBTAINED FROM SIMPLE PHYSICAL AND MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS. In what I've studied of aeronautic engineering, they haven't put me a single formula without telling me where it comes from. And really, it is not that difficult once you understand it. Scepti you obviously don't have any qualifications, given that your inability to understand basic physics (and I mean Newton's laws, basic fluid mechanics like pressure or buoyancy, etc.).
None of your theories have and scientific basis, they are just especulations without any logical thinking behind. You think you are smarter than us for refusing to believe anything they tell you. You think you are thinking by yourself, when what you are actually doing is discarding any new information you get without thinking about it. That's not intelligence. That's stupidity. When you start to at least think and consider what we tell you, I'll take you seriously. Until that moment, you are just a troll and I'll just argue with you for fun :P
You're so clever that you can't describe what gravity is and I've destroyed it all with denpressure.
The fact that you refuse to accept it when it's there in front of you, explained in basic language, tells me that you are naive and unable to actually think for yourself. It has to be a reliance on being spoon fed by the suited that allows you to understand what's being said.

You may be intelligent but you are not smart. Big difference.

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« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2014, 05:20:08 PM »
First, going to university proves I can learn, I have the ability to solve problems maybe you or other people can't. I get a lot of information, MOST OF WHICH IS DEMONSTRATED AND OBTAINED FROM SIMPLE PHYSICAL AND MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS. In what I've studied of aeronautic engineering, they haven't put me a single formula without telling me where it comes from. And really, it is not that difficult once you understand it. Scepti you obviously don't have any qualifications, given that your inability to understand basic physics (and I mean Newton's laws, basic fluid mechanics like pressure or buoyancy, etc.).
None of your theories have and scientific basis, they are just especulations without any logical thinking behind. You think you are smarter than us for refusing to believe anything they tell you. You think you are thinking by yourself, when what you are actually doing is discarding any new information you get without thinking about it. That's not intelligence. That's stupidity. When you start to at least think and consider what we tell you, I'll take you seriously. Until that moment, you are just a troll and I'll just argue with you for fun :P
You're so clever that you can't describe what gravity is and I've destroyed it all with denpressure.
The fact that you refuse to accept it when it's there in front of you, explained in basic language, tells me that you are naive and unable to actually think for yourself. It has to be a reliance on being spoon fed by the suited that allows you to understand what's being said.

You may be intelligent but you are not smart. Big difference.
Sigh... Well,
you can't describe what gravity is and I've destroyed it all with denpressure.
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The fact that you refuse to accept it when it's there in front of you, explained in basic language
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Well. Your denpressure makes no sense. This is what I meant by "you don't understand basic fluid mechanics". Pressure is exerted all over the surface of a body. Easy to prove. We don't weigh more in water, do we? Because according to you at 10 meters below the water we should weigh twice as much as we do at sea level. I understand the physical definition of pressure is kinda difficult to understand, but its effects are easy to see and measure.
Gravity. We can't actually tell its origin. But a gravimeter can be used to detect certain minerals underground. High precision gravimeters can even sense there is less gravity inside a building because of the roof having a considerable gravitational field. Not everyone has access to a gravimeter, but for example in universities they have these things, and they can use them and obtain results. Any explanation for this?
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2014, 05:42:12 PM »

Well. Your denpressure makes no sense.
It makes peerfect sense.
 
This is what I meant by "you don't understand basic fluid mechanics". Pressure is exerted all over the surface of a body. Easy to prove. We don't weigh more in water, do we? Because according to you at 10 meters below the water we should weigh twice as much as we do at sea level.
Stop making crap up.  ;D I've never said any of this about weighing more 10 metres below water. Making out I've said stuff doesn't help you.
I understand the physical definition of pressure is kinda difficult to understand, but its effects are easy to see and measure.
It's easy to understand the concept of it, if you discard nonsense gravity.

Gravity. We can't actually tell its origin.
You can't tell anything because it doesn't exist. I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure it doesn't.
But a gravimeter can be used to detect certain minerals underground.
How about briefly and basically explaining how a gravimeter works.
High precision gravimeters can even sense there is less gravity inside a building because of the roof having a considerable gravitational field. Not everyone has access to a gravimeter, but for example in universities they have these things, and they can use them and obtain results. Any explanation for this?
There's marginally less atmospheric pressure in a building because the roof tiles thickness take away some downward pressure.
I wonder if this so called gravimeter detects atmospheric pressure drop.  ;D

Are you sure it's not just a barometer with a different measuring scale?
Anyway, let me know how it all works.

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« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2014, 06:03:31 PM »
Absolute pressure 10 meters below the water's surface is twice the standard atmospheric pressure. So that doesn't mean we weigh twice as much? I'm not making anything up. It is called Pascal's principle. It allows hydraulic jacks, hydraulic presses and so to work. Easy to understand for normal people.

By definition of pressure I meant its demonstration from the forces exerted on a differential fluid element. Too difficult for you, forget it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter This is how a gravimeter works. Still doesn't explain why we can detect certain minerals with it. You can use a barometer to measure the atmospheric pressure on the building, leave all the windows open if you want to. It will show the same results.

If only you believed what you were saying... Anyway, you are probably the best troll I've ever seen in the internet, I give you that. Coming to this webpage to play the same character for years, that's dedication!
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Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« Reply #135 on: November 26, 2014, 06:21:18 PM »
Absolute pressure 10 meters below the water's surface is twice the standard atmospheric pressure. So that doesn't mean we weigh twice as much? I'm not making anything up. It is called Pascal's principle. It allows hydraulic jacks, hydraulic presses and so to work. Easy to understand for normal people.
What's the matter with you? can't you process the fact that I've never mentioned weighing heavier 10 meteres underwater, so what are you making this crap up for?
By definition of pressure I meant its demonstration from the forces exerted on a differential fluid element. Too difficult for you, forget it.
Can't you type normal and just say what you mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter This is how a gravimeter works. Still doesn't explain why we can detect certain minerals with it. You can use a barometer to measure the atmospheric pressure on the building, leave all the windows open if you want to. It will show the same results.
Agitation of matter changes atmospheric pressure. It can be a minute change or a easily viewable change. A barometer may not pick up certain tiny hanges but a more delicate mechanism would. Hmmm, maybe a gravymeater.  ;D They're all pressure gauges with different ways of measuring it. That's all.
If only you believed what you were saying... Anyway, you are probably the best troll I've ever seen in the internet, I give you that. Coming to this webpage to play the same character for years, that's dedication!
I'm dedicated because I'm a genius of the basics. I can see what you can't. Why?...because I use logic to determine things. I use common sense to decipher what those in labcoats try to baffle the average Joe with bullshit, probably unknown to them that they are actually doing it, as most are simply just the same as the people they teach. Parrots.
When I believe I'm right, you have to work very hard to make me change that belief and you can't do it by spouting bullshit.

Now, denpressure has destroyed your gravity that you hung onto like a limpet.
There's no special case for this Earth. How it works is all around you if you can observe.

Go along happily with the bullshit. It matters not, to me. If you are true to yourself though, you will sit and think about what I've said and do it with an mind that can think outside of the box. This way you never know, you may see things a lot differently.
I doubt it but you may surprise me.

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« Reply #136 on: November 26, 2014, 06:34:24 PM »
"If you can think for yourself, you will do as I say."

Pretty sadistic.

The 10 m underwater thing makes perfect sense. We don't have to hear scepti explicitly mention anything about it. Anywhere that there are differences in pressure we would making observations that support his theory if it were true.

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« Reply #137 on: November 26, 2014, 07:25:42 PM »
People who climb Mt. Everest must just float around at the top.
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« Reply #138 on: November 26, 2014, 11:22:04 PM »
Stop making crap up.  ;D I've never said any of this about weighing more 10 metres below water. Making out I've said stuff doesn't help you.
You have made this claim. Things have weight due to pressure, and weight changes as pressure changes, and it works the same in all fluids.

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« Reply #139 on: November 26, 2014, 11:39:45 PM »
Feeling the pressure yet septic, its called foot in mouth disease.

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« Reply #140 on: November 27, 2014, 02:09:24 AM »
People who climb Mt. Everest must just float around at the top.
It takes energy to move a mass up a mountain. This energy becomes potential energy because it's being pushed into the ground, except this ground is now Everest. It's still under pressure by expansion and the atmospheric pressure will still push that mass to the gound if you remove the mountain.
This has been explained so how can't you get it?

You keep forgetting about the energy, I think.
To think that you people cannot understand this and yet rely on gravity, is astonishing. I could understand your reliace on gravity if there wasn't someone to explain how bogus it is, yet here I am - and you're hiding from the truth.
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« Reply #141 on: November 27, 2014, 02:17:11 AM »
Feeling the pressure yet septic, its called foot in mouth disease.
Only atmospheric pressure. None of you can debunk what I'm saying because I can answer all the claims for your gravity.
Merely parroting shite by force of numbers does not debunk anything. I've debunked gravity.
The new word is denpressure. It explains everything that gravity pretends to.

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« Reply #142 on: November 27, 2014, 02:45:35 AM »
People who climb Mt. Everest must just float around at the top.
It takes energy to move a mass up a mountain. This energy becomes potential energy because it's being pushed into the ground,
What's being pushed into the ground?  Your use of language is so vague, it's impossible to know what it is you're saying.

The mass up the mountain has potential energy because of work done against gravity.  As you don't believe in gravity, there is no potential energy.  You can't have your cake and eat it.

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the atmospheric pressure will still push that mass to the gound
Why?  The pressure above you is greater than the pressure above - you should just float off towards lower pressure.  There is much more stuff "stacked" below you.

As a theory of why "things fall towards the earth", atmospheric pressure falls at the fist hurdle - everything should float up.


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To think that you people cannot understand this and yet rely on gravity,
When you say "you people", do you mean "everyone in the world"?  As absolutely nobody has bought into your bullshit - doesn't that fact in itself tell you something?
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« Reply #143 on: November 27, 2014, 06:16:32 AM »
I just want you to answer this. If weight is an effect of pressure, and I weigh 80 kg at sea level, I should weigh 160kg 10 meters below the water's surface, 240kg at 20 meters... In mount everest top, at 8848 meters of altitude, there is an atmospheric pressure of 31kpa, so we should weigh around 24,5 kg.
Commercial aircraft flying at 11000 meters should weigh like a fourth part of their sea level weight. But of course, you won't believe the formulas for lift, drag and flight mechanics which are calculated for a plane with constant weight depending on altitude (weigh only varies with time for fuel consumption).
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« Reply #144 on: November 27, 2014, 06:27:53 AM »
I just want you to answer this. If weight is an effect of pressure, and I weigh 80 kg at sea level, I should weigh 160kg 10 meters below the water's surface, 240kg at 20 meters... In mount everest top, at 8848 meters of altitude, there is an atmospheric pressure of 31kpa, so we should weigh around 24,5 kg.
Commercial aircraft flying at 11000 meters should weigh like a fourth part of their sea level weight. But of course, you won't believe the formulas for lift, drag and flight mechanics which are calculated for a plane with constant weight depending on altitude (weigh only varies with time for fuel consumption).
I have a few questions to your questions.

How do you weigh yourself when submerged?
Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?

Should I elaborate for you?

How does a plane get into the sky?
How does a human being manage to swin down to 10 metres.
Answer these and you might start getting to grips.

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« Reply #145 on: November 27, 2014, 08:54:17 AM »

Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?


"energy applied" [sic] is a term made up by you and people cannot read your mind, so I do not think this is a mental capacity issue, but more of a limitation of human physiology in general.
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« Reply #146 on: November 27, 2014, 08:57:12 AM »

Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?


"energy applied" [sic] is a term made up by you and people cannot read your mind, so I do not think this is a mental capacity issue, but more of a limitation of human physiology in general.
Are you seriously telling me that you can't understand the simple meaning of energy applied?
What would you like?
Learn to deal with a person who doesn't hang onto sciientific bullshit to explain simple things.

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« Reply #147 on: November 27, 2014, 09:07:19 AM »

Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?


"energy applied" [sic] is a term made up by you and people cannot read your mind, so I do not think this is a mental capacity issue, but more of a limitation of human physiology in general.
Are you seriously telling me that you can't understand the simple meaning of energy applied?
What would you like?
Learn to deal with a person who doesn't hang onto sciientific bullshit to explain simple things.

I understand what it means to apply energy to something.  Are we talking about the same thing?  If that is the case, do not judge me, because you made up a compound noun and never have given a clear definition.  You play enough word games that I do not take anything you say for granted.

Would you like to properly define it now so it can be crystal clear?
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« Reply #148 on: November 27, 2014, 09:15:54 AM »

Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?


"energy applied" [sic] is a term made up by you and people cannot read your mind, so I do not think this is a mental capacity issue, but more of a limitation of human physiology in general.
Are you seriously telling me that you can't understand the simple meaning of energy applied?
What would you like?
Learn to deal with a person who doesn't hang onto sciientific bullshit to explain simple things.

I understand what it means to apply energy to something.  Are we talking about the same thing?  If that is the case, do not judge me, because you made up a compound noun and never have given a clear definition.  You play enough word games that I do not take anything you say for granted.

Would you like to properly define it now so it can be crystal clear?
I did define it clearly but I will do it again.
Yes it is to apply energy to an object. For instance. If I pick up a brick, I am applying my energy to pushing that brick up into the atmosphere. Because I've done that, it means that brick pushes back onto me by the atmosphere it has compressed above me, or to put it plainly, the atmosphere it has displaced.
That brick now has potential energy through this happening, because it has to have a reaction to my action, which it will as soon as I release my energy from it.
From that point on, it gets pushed down and overcomes the push back (resistance).

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« Reply #149 on: November 27, 2014, 09:20:25 AM »

Do you not have the mental capacity to understand what energy applied, is?


"energy applied" [sic] is a term made up by you and people cannot read your mind, so I do not think this is a mental capacity issue, but more of a limitation of human physiology in general.
Are you seriously telling me that you can't understand the simple meaning of energy applied?
What would you like?
Learn to deal with a person who doesn't hang onto sciientific bullshit to explain simple things.

I understand what it means to apply energy to something.  Are we talking about the same thing?  If that is the case, do not judge me, because you made up a compound noun and never have given a clear definition.  You play enough word games that I do not take anything you say for granted.

Would you like to properly define it now so it can be crystal clear?
I did define it clearly but I will do it again.
Yes it is to apply energy to an object. For instance. If I pick up a brick, I am applying my energy to pushing that brick up into the atmosphere.

Ok, that is good enough.

 
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Because I've done that, it means that brick pushes back onto me by the atmosphere it has compressed above me, or to put it plainly, the atmosphere it has displaced.

Wait, compression is not the at all the same thing as displacement.  What are you trying to sneak in here?

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That brick now has potential energy through this happening, because it has to have a reaction to my action, which it will as soon as I release my energy from it. From that point on, it gets pushed down and overcomes the push back (resistance).

AKA Gravity.

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