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phaseshifter

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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2006, 09:04:41 AM »
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Now, is anyone going to try and explain the phases of the moon, the setting sun, or why no one has broken the conspiracy as mentioned in my first post?


You'll probably get something arbitrary as answer for the conspiracy. But it would be nice if the moon phases were addressed.
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2006, 10:43:31 AM »
I've asked about the moon phases many times. If it's not addressed they don't have a theory for it.
he earth is a giant frisbee being thrown around the universe by George Bush and Zeus.

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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2006, 12:27:32 PM »
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Alright, let me break it down for you.

Fact: There is a single magnetic south pole on physical land.

Gotcha.  It's near the geographic north pole.  So far, so good...

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Fact: If there was a continous North pole to "Ice Wall" magnetic field, the magnetic south pole would massively and noticably disrupt the Earth's magnetic field so that compasses north, south, east, and west would be obviously deflected for hundreds of miles.

...and we were on a roll.  You are saying that there are actually two magnetic fields from the FE?  Where did you get that idea?


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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2006, 04:15:51 PM »
he doesn't know all that much about magnetic fields...

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Benjamin1986

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2006, 07:51:59 PM »
Alright, you caught me in a slip up.  Yes, the "magnetic south pole" is near the north, since north ends of magnets point north (and thus the north geographic pole is the south magnetic pole).  

However, what about the "magnetic north pole" in Antarctica which is on solid land.   It is as indisputable as the Arctic magnetic pole.  To stop the magnetic field, getting the "all directions are North" effect would require a large magnetic field eminating from the Antarctic pole, which is obviously NOT on the edge of the Earth as humans have visited it countless times.    

Therefore, to explain this on a flat Earth, there MUST be two magnetic fields,one going from the edge of the Earth to the north pole and one eminating from the Antarctic magnetic pole going in all directions to who knows where (probably also the Arctic magnetic pole) which would create the magnetic distortion I explained in my last few posts.

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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2006, 09:51:05 AM »
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Considering the magnetic poles are very well documented and a recordable (viewable) phenomena I'm not assuming anything, I'm reciting from factual evidence. We also see evidence of pole reversal in geography, it's not an unknown mystical force.

And the evidence is??
Look, if the earth were a disk, and what we call the North pole was one end of a magnet, and the underside, the south pole, how would it behave differently without going to the south pole, which the FE's claim is the icewall wich noone not in on the conspiracy can get to.

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This goes against the idea that magnetic South is simply the opposite of magnetic North on a compass. If the force only goes one way then tabletop magnets wouldn't function either.

I am not claiming that there is a magnetic monopole,  read Larry Niven for that sort of stuff. A standard Bi-polar magnetic field, with the "Lines of force" extending below the edge of the earth to the other side would effectively act like the spherical earth model.

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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2006, 10:52:30 AM »
REers need to stop proposing experiments that are impossible to carry out. Nobody is seriously going to voyage to the south pole simply to determine whether the earth is flat or round. If you can't prove that the earth is round using experiments that can be easily performed, you might as well just hang up your hat and stay home.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2006, 11:43:25 AM »
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REers need to stop proposing experiments that are impossible to carry out. Nobody is seriously going to voyage to the south pole simply to determine whether the earth is flat or round. If you can't prove that the earth is round using experiments that can be easily performed, you might as well just hang up your hat and stay home.

Wy would they need to travel to the south pole when they could just use a satellite?

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TheEngineer

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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2006, 11:59:17 AM »
I seem to have misplaced my satellite, can I borrow yours?


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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2006, 12:57:11 PM »
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I seem to have misplaced my satellite, can I borrow yours?

Sorry, I let a friend borrow mine and I never got it back.

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »
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Quote from: "TheEngineer"
I seem to have misplaced my satellite, can I borrow yours?

Sorry, I let a friend borrow mine and I never got it back.


I'll give it back next week, I promise kupo.

Now, is anyone going to adress the actual topic?
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clem9796

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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2006, 03:53:25 PM »
Quote from: "skeptical_scientist"
REers need to stop proposing experiments that are impossible to carry out. Nobody is seriously going to voyage to the south pole simply to determine whether the earth is flat or round. If you can't prove that the earth is round using experiments that can be easily performed, you might as well just hang up your hat and stay home.


Easy for who? That is quite relative from person to person. Someone that has the resources and initative to do it wouldn't find it that difficult at all. As I said earlier, if I was capable of such a trip I'd in fact carry it out. If only to bring some proof to this forum. If I get shot down by the ice wall guards then we'll know  FE is all good I suppose.

Experiments with gravity and the question of a round Earth are rather hard to do  on your kitchen table, many of the experiments and theories are on a much bigger scale. This forum seems to be solely a mental exercise anyway, why not propose experiments on a grand scale?

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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2006, 04:19:45 PM »
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Quote from: "TheEngineer"
I won't go for the same reason you guys won't go:  Why waste time and money to prove something I already know to be true?


I think what you are going through is called "denial".


BURN.
the earth is a friggin sphere.

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2006, 05:09:31 PM »
Quote from: "Rossk #5!!"

I think what you are going through is called "denial".


BURN.[/quote]

So tell us then Rossk, why won't you go to Antarctica?

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2006, 02:59:10 AM »
Quote from: "Benjamin1986"
However, what about the "magnetic north pole" in Antarctica which is on solid land.   It is as indisputable as the Arctic magnetic pole.  To stop the magnetic field, getting the "all directions are North" effect would require a large magnetic field eminating from the Antarctic pole, which is obviously NOT on the edge of the Earth as humans have visited it countless times.


Quote from: "Benjamin1986"
Fact: There is a single magnetic south pole on physical land.


I am but an egg, but I think you have failed to engage with the premises of the FE theory you are interested in contesting.  One premise of note is that Antarctica, a relatively small continent which contains a bit of land which we call the "south magnetic pole" (even tho it's actually a north pole, in physics jargon), which is uncontested in RE theory, does not exist in this form in FE theory.  So asserting its existence, or the existence of this "south magnetic pole" (in geography jargon), and even adding the word "Fact", doesn't make it a sound basis for discussion of problems with FE theory.

Regarding the certainty of this "fact", I think that you could entertain some doubt.  The entire continent of Antarctica is clearly substantially less well-travelled than the Arctic regions.  There is no native human population, and only a relatively small number of explorers and scientists (and military personel) have a good personal experience with its geography.  (Yes, some cruise ships go there, but my feeling is that passengers on ships are not really doing cartography to make sure the boat is going where it says it is.)  It really would be relatively easy to have a worldwide conspiracy about what's in Antarctica, given sufficient motivation.

Oh, and this bit about the "proven hundreds of times on TV"?  Even aside from the cheapshot I could make about "it's true if you saw it on TV, rofl?", this is a bit doubtful.  Journalists can be fooled (even very wise/observant/clever ones), and I do think Antarctic journalism isn't as common as you claim.  And again, if the journalist doesn't suspect the Great RE Conspiracy, why would he be on the lookout for it?  Poor candy-on-a-stick journalist.

In summary, your argument that there is something that FE theory lacks, w.r.t. the south pole, is in my opinion lacking both in grand plan, and in rhetorical details.  In general, I think FE theorists claim it (the continent of Antarctica as presented in RE theory) is all lies, and compared to other parts of the conspiracy, this bit seems pretty easy to take.


Quote from: "Benjamin1986"
Now, is anyone going to try and explain the phases of the moon, the setting sun, or why no one has broken the conspiracy as mentioned in my first post?


I apologize for not addressing this.  Okay, hell, I'll put something random forward.  This is by no means canonical FE theory.

While we all know (those of us who troubled to read the FAQ before flaming, anyway) that the FE-theoretic moon is a spotlight, perhaps it is surrounded by a baffle, which has the shape of a sphere, half of which is transparent (and the inside of which is utterly matte, of course).  This baffle revolves around the moon-spotlight (on an axis which I trust is obvious).

I think that with certain assumptions about the shape of the baffle, this generates an experiment.  (Probably someone is happy about that).  In particular, the way I am imagining the baffle, different parts of the world should see the moon earlier or later in its cycle, although I'm not sure how much.  For all I know, maybe the RE-theoretic moon exhibits that property - I'm not much of an astronomer.

Actually, a simpler model might be that the moon is a sphere, half of it luminous and half of it dark, and it rotates on itself as it follows the already-established FE orbit above the earth's disc.  Of course, it's a spotlight, so it needs a baffle.  And also of course, the observable lunographic features need to be part of the baffle or something, otherwise this theory would imply they'd move in a way that they can plainly be seen to not move.



Regarding the sun getting "larger" at the horizon, I believe you're mistaken.  For example, here is a quickly-googled RE-theoretic explanation of the phenomena you might observe:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_mysteries_020716-1.html
According to that article, which one will note is rife with RE bias, the actual observables are that the sun gets shorter as it approaches the horizon.  This is generally something on the order of a 5:6 ratio, though, so most scaling phenomena you observe are allegedly an optical illusion.  That's what those crazy RE "scientists" say, anyway.

If in fact it's true that the sun's disc gets shorter as it nears the horizon, that's potentially a good confirmation of FE theory.  If a flat light-casting disc moved away from you, horizontally in a plane which you are not yourself in, it would shrink faster in the dimension that you perceive as vertical than it would in the other dimension.  (I apologize for the torturousness of that sentence.)  So I guess the whole sun-shrinking thing is at least someone supportive of the FE model.

I myself am a terrible empiricist, and thus must content myself to read the work of giants like Nicolaus Copernicus and Samuel Rowbotham.  But if you are a truer scientist than I, you could compose some experiments to test my proposed model of the sun's behaviour, which all forum members could perform, as follows.  Figure out the apparent transformation of the sun's disc under my model, in some detail, and then take measurements.  I, being an indolent sloth, am doomed to ignorance.

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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2006, 07:37:07 AM »
what about the hollow earth model?  :lol:
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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2006, 07:56:21 AM »
Wait, I really think I'm on to something here...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/Stapler117/triangleearth.jpg

This is it... My triangular earth model. This is an acurate theory of the Earth! Everything else is a lie! FE'ers are conspirators trying to cover up the TRUTH!!

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2006, 07:57:25 AM »
How interesting.  Oh wait.  The other one.  Tedious.

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2006, 08:38:11 AM »
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I won't go for the same reason you guys won't go:  Why waste time and money to prove something I already know to be true?


Because you are afraid of the real fucking answer.

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TheEngineer

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2006, 11:43:38 AM »
No, I know the real answer.  Why would I need to go?


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Jveritas8

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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2006, 12:09:11 PM »
I think the earth is round and I would LOVE to see it from space :D Not to prove anything, just to see it 8-)
he earth is a giant frisbee being thrown around the universe by George Bush and Zeus.

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2006, 12:51:14 PM »
Quote from: "Stapler117"
Wait, I really think I'm on to something here...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/Stapler117/triangleearth.jpg

This is it... My triangular earth model. This is an acurate theory of the Earth! Everything else is a lie! FE'ers are conspirators trying to cover up the TRUTH!!
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: Thanks for showing me the light!!!!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

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phaseshifter

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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2006, 12:54:51 PM »
Well obviously the Mole people live there D'uh.
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.