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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2015, 08:53:45 AM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2015, 11:45:54 AM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2015, 12:02:48 PM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.

Aircraft measure groundspeed using a pitot's tube and adding headwinds and subtracting tailwind. It isn't that hard.

Besides, if you can make up bullshit claims to justify your delusion, the we can too. Making it just as valid in your logic.
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2015, 12:07:34 PM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.

Aircraft measure groundspeed using a pitot's tube and adding headwinds and subtracting tailwind. It isn't that hard.

Besides, if you can make up bullshit claims to justify your delusion, the we can too. Making it just as valid in your logic.

at least you admit your claims are bullshit.
no one has even addressed mine. you act all high and mighty then ignore what i've said to attack a minor, meaningless aspect or make shit up.
you're wrong. deal with it, and think for yourself.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2015, 12:07:48 PM »
GPS works. Fact.

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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2015, 12:12:50 PM »
I never said my claims were bullshit, I said that if I made up bullshit claims then they would be just as warranted as your own bullshit claims.

I haven't made anything up.

Must we remind you who said stars were airplanes?
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2015, 12:13:02 PM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.

I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.

Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.

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On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.

When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.

In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.

Nothing about GPS.

Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.

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A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?

In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)

The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.

I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.
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« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2015, 12:17:02 PM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.

I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.

Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.

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On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.

When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.

In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.

Nothing about GPS.

Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.

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A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?

In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)

The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.

I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.

you have waves and ever changing wind speed and you expect to get a good, accurate measurement of distance and speed?
if that's how you think there's no point in talking to you. i hope, one day, you learn to think for yourself.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2015, 12:24:47 PM »
no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.

Oh.

Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.

I eagerly await.

jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?

Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?

More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?

Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.

i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.

Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?

Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?

Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.

I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.

Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?

They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.

you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.

I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.

No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.

Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed.  Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!

Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?

Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?

Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?

No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.

No, speed is relative.  You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.

try to google before you make obviously false claims.

what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.

what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.

I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.

Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.

Quote
On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.

When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.

In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.

Nothing about GPS.

Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.

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A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?

In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)

The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.

I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.

you have waves and ever changing wind speed and you expect to get a good, accurate measurement of distance and speed?
if that's how you think there's no point in talking to you. i hope, one day, you learn to think for yourself.

Yep, humans have been doing this shit for hundreds and hundreds of years, I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them. I mean, you haven't, but you don't think for yourself or use your brain.

I hope one day you stop regurgitating what has been spoon fed to you and learn to think for yourself and use your brain for once. Just repeating what other losers say is bad for you.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2015, 12:27:06 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2015, 12:33:13 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2015, 12:36:54 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2015, 12:40:49 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.

Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.

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I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.

Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.

You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2015, 12:41:44 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.

try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?

think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.

until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #74 on: February 27, 2015, 12:43:53 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.

Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.

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I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.

Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.

You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.

that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.

think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.

don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2015, 12:44:50 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.

try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?

think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.

until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #76 on: February 27, 2015, 12:48:45 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.

try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?

think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.

until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!

go fuck yourself.

if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #77 on: February 27, 2015, 12:51:39 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.

try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?

think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.

until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!

go fuck yourself.

if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
Good. Then we can continue knowing that you have no evidence, and that all of your claims are equivalent to- boloney.

Keep getting mad. Get really mad. It only benefits us for you to look bad.
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #78 on: February 27, 2015, 12:52:33 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.

Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.

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I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.

Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.

You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.

that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.

think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.

don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.

Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.

I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.

I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.

Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?



Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.

***edit for strange grammar.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 01:34:42 PM by Lemmiwinks »
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #79 on: February 27, 2015, 01:12:21 PM »
I think you hurt his feelings a bit there Jet. 
I gotta read this entire thread tonight to get caught back up.

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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #80 on: February 27, 2015, 01:14:23 PM »
I think you hurt his feelings a bit there Jet. 
I gotta read this entire thread tonight to get caught back up.
I personally think that people who think they don't have to provide evidence for their claims should have their feelings hurt.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2015, 02:15:15 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.

You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.

try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?

think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.

until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!

go fuck yourself.

if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
Good. Then we can continue knowing that you have no evidence, and that all of your claims are equivalent to- boloney.

Keep getting mad. Get really mad. It only benefits us for you to look bad.

your laziness and illiteracy is no fault of mine. i refuse to waste any more time trying to teach you.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2015, 02:17:27 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.

Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.

Quote
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.

Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.

You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.

that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.

think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.

don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.

Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.

I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.

I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.

Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?



Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.

***edit for strange grammar.

waves break at the shore. try thinking.
that's just not true. they aren't stationary, they're moving all the time. acting like they're still in a photo doesn't mean they aren't moving.

are you seriously arguing that waves don't move at sea? what is wrong with you?
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2015, 02:20:16 PM »
He got so mad he ignored me! This means I won, and that he is weak. Glad I joined the club.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2015, 02:37:25 PM »
Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:

Why don't you research for yourself?

i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.

look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.

Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.

Quote
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.

Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.

You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.

that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.

think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.

don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.

Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.

I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.

I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.

Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?



Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.

***edit for strange grammar.

waves break at the shore. try thinking.
that's just not true. they aren't stationary, they're moving all the time. acting like they're still in a photo doesn't mean they aren't moving.

are you seriously arguing that waves don't move at sea? what is wrong with you?

Yes they do, which is the only place they impart any significant lateral force to an object on the water. Guess where boats don't typically hang out? The shore.

They are virtually stationary, how much positioning do you think they can do sitting up like that? They are even right now on top of a swell as it passes under them. If you are now saying that this is how little energy a wave imparts on an object sitting on the water, then your whole argument is moot. The waves on the open sea are negligible.

Waves move at sea, but they virtually completely pass under any object floating out at sea. Because of wave lengths and all that, but whatevs. Important fact is that no, they don't move things around out at sea.

If they did then the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in the Indian Ocean would have toppled every ship in its path, as it traveled faster than a jet and all that.
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Re: star coordinate system in fet?
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2015, 03:02:12 PM »



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