Simple Balloon "Rocket"...

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

If it implies that space doesn't exist then it has to imply that planets do not exist or stars or anything in space, such as man made objects.

It also cannot be a global atmosphere because it still has to have a central energy, which is why it has to be a dome.

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

If it implies that space doesn't exist then it has to imply that planets do not exist or stars or anything in space, such as man made objects.

It also cannot be a global atmosphere because it still has to have a central energy, which is why it has to be a dome.

Never mind your notions about what you believe or don't believe about space. I'm not talking about that.

Central energy? I'm talking of denpressure as it pertains to the dome. Never mind the energy source for a moment and consider this. If denpressure exists around a globe then that means an equal amount of atmosphere exists around its entirety. If it's a dome then it follows that the dome ceilings are tallest in the center and then exponentially smaller as it reaches the edges of earth. So then it follows that since more atmosphere exists in the center then the closer to the center you are then the more you would weigh as more atmosphere pushes down on you. Is this your position?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:55:23 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

If it implies that space doesn't exist then it has to imply that planets do not exist or stars or anything in space, such as man made objects.

It also cannot be a global atmosphere because it still has to have a central energy, which is why it has to be a dome.

Never mind your notions about what you believe or don't believe about space. I'm not talking about that.

Central energy? I'm talking of denpressure as it pertains to the dome. Never mind the energy source for a moment and consider this. If denpressure exists around a globe then that means an equal amount of atmosphere exists around its entirety. If it's a dome then it follows that the dome ceilings are tallest in the center and then exponentially smaller as it reaches the edges of earth. So then it follows that since more atmosphere exists in the center then the closer to the center you are then the more you would weigh as more atmosphere pushes down on you. Is this your position?

Yes, sort of.

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 09:07:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:55:23 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

If it implies that space doesn't exist then it has to imply that planets do not exist or stars or anything in space, such as man made objects.

It also cannot be a global atmosphere because it still has to have a central energy, which is why it has to be a dome.

Never mind your notions about what you believe or don't believe about space. I'm not talking about that.

Central energy? I'm talking of denpressure as it pertains to the dome. Never mind the energy source for a moment and consider this. If denpressure exists around a globe then that means an equal amount of atmosphere exists around its entirety. If it's a dome then it follows that the dome ceilings are tallest in the center and then exponentially smaller as it reaches the edges of earth. So then it follows that since more atmosphere exists in the center then the closer to the center you are then the more you would weigh as more atmosphere pushes down on you. Is this your position?

Yes, sort of.

So then as far as location is concerned it is measured that you weigh slightly more at both poles and less the closer you get to the equator (RE explains that this is because of centrifugal forces). So then does it not follow that your edges of earth must exist exactly at the equator?

And if by necessity, the edges of earth are at the equator then does it not also follow that the center would necessarily need to be at both poles? Wouldn't this necessarily mean that the earth is round, or at the very least not flat and some shape where polar opposites must exist? These two locations cannot both be the places where things weigh the most can they? After all, the location where things must weigh the most must necessarily be the center, where the dome is tallest.

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

What do you tell us about the two same shaped pieces of steel and brass.  Must weigh the same.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 09:22:51 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 09:07:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:55:23 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

It doesn't kill it off. Let's be distinct. It implies that space doesn't exist. This is not evidence but you know that. Your denpressure could just as well be a round ceiling around a round planet as it could be a dome to a flat one. In fact, if anything the former is more likely because at least that would be consistent with the fact that the edge of the dome has never been seen and it would also be consistent with other simple proofs of rotundity such as sunsets and sinking ships.

If it implies that space doesn't exist then it has to imply that planets do not exist or stars or anything in space, such as man made objects.

It also cannot be a global atmosphere because it still has to have a central energy, which is why it has to be a dome.

Never mind your notions about what you believe or don't believe about space. I'm not talking about that.

Central energy? I'm talking of denpressure as it pertains to the dome. Never mind the energy source for a moment and consider this. If denpressure exists around a globe then that means an equal amount of atmosphere exists around its entirety. If it's a dome then it follows that the dome ceilings are tallest in the center and then exponentially smaller as it reaches the edges of earth. So then it follows that since more atmosphere exists in the center then the closer to the center you are then the more you would weigh as more atmosphere pushes down on you. Is this your position?

Yes, sort of.

So then as far as location is concerned you weigh slightly more at both poles and less the closer you get to the equator because of centrifugal forces. So then does it not follow that your the edges of earth must exist exactly at the equator?

No, you're way you. Why should the equator be on the edge?
The edge would be ice, meaning no sun goes near it.
And what do you mean by centrifugal forces? explain because we are either crossing wires or something.
Are you trying to explain what my Earth is or your domed globe analogy?

And if by necessity, the edges of earth are at the equator then does it not also follow that the center would necessarily need to be at both poles? Wouldn't this necessarily mean that the earth is round, or at the very least not flat and some shape where polar opposites must exist? These two locations cannot both be the places where things weigh the most can they? After all, the location where things must weigh the most must necessarily be the center, where the dome is tallest.

What do you mean by both poles?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

What do you tell us about the two same shaped pieces of steel and brass.  Must weigh the same.

Start paying attention. I've never said brass and steel weight the same in the same shapes, so what are you talking about?

meaning no sun goes near it.

Doesn't your sun sit on a tower somewhere anyway?  Surely the sun doesn't go near anywhere?

You still need to explain sunsets....

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 10:01:02 AM

meaning no sun goes near it.

Doesn't your sun sit on a tower somewhere anyway?  Surely the sun doesn't go near anywhere?

You still need to explain sunsets....

There's a lot of things I need to explain. At the minute, it's dealing with atmospheric pressure for gravity.
And where did you get this tower from? I've never said anything about a tower.

Quote from: inquisitive on November 28, 2014, 09:59:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

What do you tell us about the two same shaped pieces of steel and brass.  Must weigh the same.

Start paying attention. I've never said brass and steel weight the same in the same shapes, so what are you talking about?

The pressure around them will be the same, can be measured.

Scepti, do you not understand. It has been measured that as far as location is concerned, if we disregard elevation the place where things weigh the least (dome is shortest) is the equator. This implies that if the cause of things weighing less is simply having less molecules above a location then it would necessarily mean that this place must be the equator. It cannot be anywhere else if the dome is indeed tallest in the center. The poles, as far as measurements are concerned are both simultaneously the locations where the greatest values for g are measured. So then from that it follows that at both poles, if this dome exists, are the highest points of the domes ever found but they are in opposite directions from each other relative to the locations where the lowest values of g have been measured.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 10:04:25 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 28, 2014, 09:59:50 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 07:57:51 AM

Just had a thought.

Even if we were to humor scepti and say, "sure denpressure is what causes or is mistaken to be called gravity", does this have any effect on the earths shape? Could the earth not be round even if denpressure were real?

So many threads devoted to a theory that does not even suggest anything about the earths shape, even if it were true.

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?
You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space. You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact. Denpressure kills it.

What do you tell us about the two same shaped pieces of steel and brass.  Must weigh the same.

Start paying attention. I've never said brass and steel weight the same in the same shapes, so what are you talking about?

The pressure around them will be the same, can be measured.

No, the pressure around them won't be the same. I've explained all this. Look back.

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 27, 2014, 01:02:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2014, 11:18:37 AM

I will. I suggest anyone with a vacuum chamber to perform similar experiments.

   We look forward to pictures and/or video of your experiment.  Can we expect results in the near future?

Let's wait and see. You can also do the experiments. You never know, they just might alter things.

That sounds rather vague.  You said "I will", so do you have a plan on 'when'?  Do you plan on posting the pictures/video here?  I could do the experiment, but I would have to get a sufficient vac pump, meter, and chamber.  What results should I expect that would be different than already posted?

To help you understand here is a diagram.



You see, instead of trying to destroy denpressure, I'm destroying it as it relates to the shape you think it is compatible with. As you can see it is not compatible with a flat earth. By necessity, if the height of the dome dictates the value of g (the amount something weighs), then it follows that the shape of the dome would need to be equally as tall all around the ice wall as it is at the north pole. At the same time, it would need to be shortest at the equator which makes the equator the only logical place to put the edge of the dome but we know where the equator is and guess what isn't there?

Well denpressure sort of kills off space as a whole, doesn't it?

Not really... if everything is trying to remain on the ground or deeper, and the air molecules themselves are trying to do the same (stacking and pushing down- we all agree that air pressure decreases the higher one goes, correct?) then air can simply get thinner and thinner until it's almost non-existent... or 'space'.  There would be almost no atmospheric pressure to push down on things.

You see, the made up gravity has to be responsible for stopping the globe falling into the big fire in space.
It also has to keep fantasy space craft in space.

No, it keeps the globe/space craft falling toward the sun/planet.  Velocity keeps them in space.

You need gravity or another similar made up concept to keep the globe intact.

If everything wants to sink toward the ground or center of a globe, including air, then I don't see a reason a globe isn't possible with denpressure.

Denpressure kills it.

Doesn't seem like it.

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Sceptic start making excuses.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2014, 08:09:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on November 27, 2014, 01:02:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2014, 11:18:37 AM

I will. I suggest anyone with a vacuum chamber to perform similar experiments.

   We look forward to pictures and/or video of your experiment.  Can we expect results in the near future?

Let's wait and see. You can also do the experiments. You never know, they just might alter things.

That sounds rather vague.  You said "I will", so do you have a plan on 'when'?  Do you plan on posting the pictures/video here?  I could do the experiment, but I would have to get a sufficient vac pump, meter, and chamber.  What results should I expect that would be different than already posted?

Try stuff out and see.

Videos made. Spoiler



















Sceptic start making excuses.

No video posted

To help you understand here is a diagram.



You see, instead of trying to destroy denpressure, I'm destroying it as it relates to the shape you think it is compatible with. As you can see it is not compatible with a flat earth. By necessity, if the height of the dome dictates the value of g (the amount something weighs), then it follows that the shape of the dome would need to be equally as tall all around the ice wall as it is at the north pole. At the same time, it would need to be shortest at the equator which makes the equator the only logical place to put the edge of the dome but we know where the equator is and guess what isn't there?

I really don't know how you've came to this, I really don't.

Quote from: rottingroom on November 28, 2014, 10:47:30 AM

To help you understand here is a diagram.



You see, instead of trying to destroy denpressure, I'm destroying it as it relates to the shape you think it is compatible with. As you can see it is not compatible with a flat earth. By necessity, if the height of the dome dictates the value of g (the amount something weighs), then it follows that the shape of the dome would need to be equally as tall all around the ice wall as it is at the north pole. At the same time, it would need to be shortest at the equator which makes the equator the only logical place to put the edge of the dome but we know where the equator is and guess what isn't there?

I really don't know how you've came to this, I really don't.

Well, is it really that surprising that an argument as simple as this would go over your head?

Very simply, you think that the more atmosphere there is above you, the more things weigh. This is dependent on how high the dome is above you. This explanation sort of works with mountains but it turns out that g doesn't seem to be exclusively dependent on elevation. So when looking at the values of g around the world it is clear that if there is some physical barrier there, it is not making any sense as it pertains to your description of the dome because g is least at the equator and most at the poles. So denpressure was already resting in peace but even if we pretend that you have debate skills and pretend that by some miracle you've convinced us that it is real, it doesn't imply that there is a dome as you've described and it also doesn't even imply that the earth is flat. Actually considering the data, it looks more like a round object than anything else.

Quote from: sokarul on November 28, 2014, 11:23:45 AM

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Sceptic start making excuses.

No video posted

He implied that they are coming soon and giving you a chance to dream up excuses.

I disagree about the pressure changing upon how much air is above you at your particular location. The pressure should be the same at ground level whether you are north, south or on the equator.

I disagree about the pressure changing upon how much air is above you at your particular location. The pressure should be the same at ground level whether you are north, south or on the equator.

Well this is demonstrably false as barometers show us everyday.

Quote from: hoppy on November 28, 2014, 12:05:16 PM

I disagree about the pressure changing upon how much air is above you at your particular location. The pressure should be the same at ground level whether you are north, south or on the equator.

Well this is demonstrably false as barometers show us everyday.

An example of what i mean. If you were diving in the ocean near cliffs, say at 30' deep, at the bottom there is a cave in the cliff and the cliff walls goes straight up. Just because there is maybe 2' of water just above your head to the cave ceiling. You are still in the same pressure as 30' of water.

I disagree about the pressure changing upon how much air is above you at your particular location. The pressure should be the same at ground level whether you are north, south or on the equator.

So what you are saying is that if denpressure is true, you should weigh the same everywhere, unless I am misinterpreting you.

Very simply, you think that the more atmosphere there is above you, the more things weigh.

Yes, the more pressure that is upon any mass withing in.

This is dependent on how high the dome is above you.

Nope. Not al all and this is where I lost you but I think I get your thoughts.
You see, it look like you are implying that we live under the higest pressure. We don't. The highest pressure is what you know as the north pole. It's what's feeding the life giving energy (sun) but we won't go into that unless you want to.

The least pressure on us would be the furthest we could go to the ice dome foundation which would be elevated anyway, as the Earth isn't flat as a pancake, it's slightly concave, but nevertheless, let's move on.

Where we live is the equator part and a little further towards the centre, not close to the centre, I mean many thousands of miles away from it.

This explanation sort of works with mountains but it turns out that g doesn't seem to be exclusively dependent on elevation.

It dependent on the energy needed to elevate a mass/density.

So when looking at the values of g around the world it is clear that if there is some physical barrier there, it is not making any sense as it pertains to your description of the dome because g is least at the equator and most at the poles.

As I said above.

So denpressure was already resting in peace but even if we pretend that you have debate skills and pretend that by some miracle you've convinced us that it is real, it doesn't imply that there is a dome as you've described and it also doesn't even imply that the earth is flat. Actually considering the data, it looks more like a round object than anything else.

Denp4ressure is never resting in peace, it's always there however minute.

I disagree about the pressure changing upon how much air is above you at your particular location. The pressure should be the same at ground level whether you are north, south or on the equator.

The thing is hoppy, the pressure doesn't differ a lot for us in terms of where we can feasibly travel and this is where it's hard to prove it doesn't get higher in the centre (which it does) and lower at the dome foundation.

These are the two we can't verify because we are human and can't survive.