Simple Balloon "Rocket"...

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 11:05:33 AM

Weirdly that explanation was nearly there, except they're leaving out the killer blow for obvious reasons, because to add the reality in, it destroys gravity.

No, it defies gravity.  There's a difference.

Now when were you going to explain the difference between denpressure and buoyancy?

Of course it defies gravity, because gravity doesn't exist. I've just destroyed it by explaining what's happening.

When you explain buoyancy in your own words, we'll talk.

Air pressure is not pushing it up. The air pressure is resisting the weak push on the water from the low pressure air inside.

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

This really looks no different then pushing a straw in a glass of water and then putting your finger over the top. The water will stay in the straw. The air on top of the water, I would think, doesn't have enough pressure to force the water down. The more air on top will eventually push the water out the bottom.

This really looks no different then pushing a straw in a glass of water and then putting your finger over the top. The water will stay in the straw. The air on top of the water, I would think, doesn't have enough pressure to force the water down. The more air on top will eventually push the water out the bottom.

That's exactly what it is.

Quote from: Yendor on November 24, 2014, 01:25:54 PM

This really looks no different then pushing a straw in a glass of water and then putting your finger over the top. The water will stay in the straw. The air on top of the water, I would think, doesn't have enough pressure to force the water down. The more air on top will eventually push the water out the bottom.

That's exactly what it is.

If that's the case then let's try again. Only this time after you've covered the straw with your finger, let's turn the straw around so that your finger is on the bottom and the water is on top. Remove your finger. Do you now think the extra air at what is now the bottom will push the water out of the top?

Quote from: markjo on November 24, 2014, 12:38:26 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 11:05:33 AM

Weirdly that explanation was nearly there, except they're leaving out the killer blow for obvious reasons, because to add the reality in, it destroys gravity.

No, it defies gravity.  There's a difference.

Now when were you going to explain the difference between denpressure and buoyancy?

Of course it defies gravity, because gravity doesn't exist. I've just destroyed it by explaining what's happening.

When you explain buoyancy in your own words, we'll talk.

I already did:

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 10:41:43 AM

If you can tell me how you think buoyancy works in atmosphere, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Here is a kid's level explanation and here is an adult level explanation.

Basically, buoyancy is the tendency for less dense objects to float on top of a more dense medium.  This is the principle that causes the less dense hot air in a balloons to rise into the cooler air of the atmosphere or for less dense wood to float on top of more dense water.  Now, how does your denpressure differ from buoyancy?

A little earlier in this thread, Rottingroom put up [a] video to supposedly kill off denpressure and prove gravity. It actually destroyed gravity and proved that my theory of denpressure is correct.

There is NO "theory" of the imaginary "denpressure" beyond the limits of your blood-brain barrier sceptimatic.  It's nothing more than a fanciful word you made up to purportedly explain your alternative notion about the effects of gravity we see around us every day.  You've not once described its units of measurement, or how exactly it affects a mass, or any experiment that—at the very least—vaguely supports its existence.

If no one sees why denpressure is the reason for this, I will explain it very simply. All you have to do is to think about what I said in this thread and use your brain.

LOL... and sceptimatic is telling us to use our brains!  This is just so funny considering that he seems totally unable to do the same thing.

For those who are genuinely interested; try and look past the expected onslaught of attempted ridicule.

Poor old sceptimatic doesn't seem to understand that our ridicule of both him personally, and his hare-brained notions is not merely "attempted"—it's a successful certainty.

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 24, 2014, 12:38:26 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 11:05:33 AM

Weirdly that explanation was nearly there, except they're leaving out the killer blow for obvious reasons, because to add the reality in, it destroys gravity.

No, it defies gravity.  There's a difference.

Now when were you going to explain the difference between denpressure and buoyancy?

Of course it defies gravity, because gravity doesn't exist. I've just destroyed it by explaining what's happening.

When you explain buoyancy in your own words, we'll talk.

I already did:

Quote from: markjo on November 24, 2014, 10:53:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 10:41:43 AM

If you can tell me how you think buoyancy works in atmosphere, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Here is a kid's level explanation and here is an adult level explanation.

Basically, buoyancy is the tendency for less dense objects to float on top of a more dense medium.  This is the principle that causes the less dense hot air in a balloons to rise into the cooler air of the atmosphere or for less dense wood to float on top of more dense water.  Now, how does your denpressure differ from buoyancy?

It's basically in the explanation given. They tell you, you can't have buoyancy without gravity. It's bullcrap.

As long as you can create a low pressure barrier between any dense object in the air, you will have buoyancy. If you keep creating a low pressure barrier by using energy (like heating the air) you will then be squeezed upwards, as long as energy is applied.

Quote from: neimoka on November 24, 2014, 01:08:32 PM

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

So you really are saying that atmospheric pressure does not push anything up, it can resist a push coming from above but won't actually push up, is that right?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 24, 2014, 01:08:32 PM

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

So you really are saying that atmospheric pressure does not push anything up, it can resist a push coming from above but won't actually push up, is that right?

Correct. Only energy can push it up.

Just like anything on Earth (bear in mind it's not a globe), everything is pushed up by energy applied. A tree, gas, eruptions, etc...everything.

Getting back to the video. Once that glass is lifted up and the card put under it, it's now a case of water being the dense object picked up by energy but it cannot be forced back down by atmospherc pressure due to two things.
1. You holding the atual glass.

2.The weak force of atmospheric pressure left in that glass that cannot be acted on by the atmospheric pressure from above due to the glass bottom creating a barrier to that, along with your energy keeping the glass in that pressure.

The atmosphere wants to push your arms and glass down but your energy resists that as well.

There is no gravity pulling anything down and nothing pushing anything up. It's atmospheric pressure pushing down against mass/density against atmospheric push BACK/resistance.

Gravity does not exist, 100% certain. It's a made up load of garbage to make a global Earth fit what they tell us.

lol

Quote from: markjo on November 24, 2014, 04:05:10 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

When you explain buoyancy in your own words, we'll talk.

I already did:

Quote from: markjo on November 24, 2014, 10:53:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 24, 2014, 10:41:43 AM

If you can tell me how you think buoyancy works in atmosphere, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Here is a kid's level explanation and here is an adult level explanation.

Basically, buoyancy is the tendency for less dense objects to float on top of a more dense medium.  This is the principle that causes the less dense hot air in a balloons to rise into the cooler air of the atmosphere or for less dense wood to float on top of more dense water.  Now, how does your denpressure differ from buoyancy?

It's basically in the explanation given.

Okay, so instead of calling it "denpressure", we can just call it buoyancy.  Good to know.

They tell you, you can't have buoyancy without gravity. It's bullcrap.

As long as you can create a low pressure barrier between any dense object in the air, you will have buoyancy.

Except that gravity is what causes the heavier, more dense things to sink to the bottom.  In some ways, gravity is pretty much the opposite action of buoyancy.

If you keep creating a low pressure barrier by using energy (like heating the air) you will then be squeezed upwards, as long as energy is applied.

What if we're talking about a less dense object like a beach ball floating on top of water with no energy used?

Okay, so instead of calling it "denpressure", we can just call it buoyancy.  Good to know.

You can only call it buoyancy when energy is applied in an upward motion. They are two different things.
Denpressure is atmospheric pressure acting against any mass/density that is placed within it.

On the other hand, you can call buoyancy when energy moves a mass/density up into the atmosphere or holds it in the atmosphere, if you like.
Two things to get your head around.
No gravity required - ever.

Except that gravity is what causes the heavier, more dense things to sink to the bottom.  In some ways, gravity is pretty much the opposite action of buoyancy.

Weirdly, so is denpressure when you look at it that way. Strange eh?

What if we're talking about a less dense object like a beach ball floating on top of water with no energy used?

It's still under pressure but only on the skin of the beach ball. The rest is equalised with the air, so the air is only exerting a tiny force against the mass of water. No contest and the ball sits proudly on top of the water.
Use your energy to push that ball off the water and the atmospheric pressure will push it back onto the water, against that water resistance.

Quote from: markjo on November 25, 2014, 05:28:51 AM

Except that gravity is what causes the heavier, more dense things to sink to the bottom.  In some ways, gravity is pretty much the opposite action of buoyancy.

Weirdly, so is denpressure when you look at it that way. Strange eh?

No, not really. Denpressure is saying that pressure is pushing the objects down in the same way that buoyancy pushes an object up but in the atmosphere pressure is always greater below than it is above, hence why buoyancy happens. So if pressure is not greater above, then pressure cannot be the cause. Period.

Scepti, have you discovered this denpressure since coming to TFES or did you know it before?

Scepti, have you discovered this denpressure since coming to TFES or did you know it before?

To discover something, it must exist in the first place. He just made it up so stop kidding yourself. The fact that you can read these threads and not be convinced that he is wrong says a lot about your intellectual honesty.

I honestly had more hope for you because of the time when you were taking pictures of chesapeake bay and were, slowly but surely, proving to yourself that the earth is in fact round. I don't know what has happened since then, but the concept of intellectual honesty seems to have escaped your mind.

Scepti, have you discovered this denpressure since coming to TFES or did you know it before?

This place pushed me to go deep into stuff and critically think on this Earth situation.
If it wasn't for the theories on here to pick pieces from, I wouldn't have came up with denpressure.
It took some serious, serious jigsaw work to figure it all out and I'm still only a fraction there.
One thing for sure though. Denpressure is what gravity is and it destroys the globe and space as they tell us.

Quote from: hoppy on November 25, 2014, 07:00:34 AM

Scepti, have you discovered this denpressure since coming to TFES or did you know it before?

To discover something, it must exist in the first place. He just made it up so stop kidding yourself. The fact that you can read these threads and not be convinced that he is wrong says a lot about your intellectual honesty.

I honestly had more hope for you because of the time when you were taking pictures of chesapeake bay and were, slowly but surely, proving to yourself that the earth is in fact round. I don't know what has happened since then, but the concept of intellectual honesty seems to have escaped your mind.

Scepti seems to have no idea that hoppy is taking the piss.

If it wasn't for the theories on here to pick pieces from, I wouldn't have came up with denpressure.

Like what?

Quote from: hoppy on November 25, 2014, 07:00:34 AM

Scepti, have you discovered this denpressure since coming to TFES or did you know it before?

This place pushed me to go deep into stuff and critically think on this Earth situation.
If it wasn't for the theories on here to pick pieces from, I wouldn't have came up with denpressure.
It took some serious, serious jigsaw work to figure it all out and I'm still only a fraction there.
One thing for sure though. Denpressure is what gravity is and it destroys the globe and space as they tell us.

I mean seriously, how can this comment be interpreted to show anything but the fact that author is completely nuts?

It isn't hard. He agrees and we in fact all agree that pressure exists and that it pushes things from high pressure to low. So we measure atmospheric pressure and it goes from high at the surface to less with greater altitude. Then notice the initial observation that we set to explain... things falling down. So then ask yourself again, should we say that pressure causes this?

... I'm still only a fraction there.

This, I believe.

Quote from: neimoka on November 25, 2014, 01:48:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 24, 2014, 01:08:32 PM

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

So you really are saying that atmospheric pressure does not push anything up, it can resist a push coming from above but won't actually push up, is that right?

Correct. Only energy can push it up.

Just like anything on Earth (bear in mind it's not a globe), everything is pushed up by energy applied. A tree, gas, eruptions, etc...everything.

Getting back to the video. Once that glass is lifted up and the card put under it, it's now a case of water being the dense object picked up by energy but it cannot be forced back down by atmospherc pressure due to two things.
1. You holding the atual glass.

2.The weak force of atmospheric pressure left in that glass that cannot be acted on by the atmospheric pressure from above due to the glass bottom creating a barrier to that, along with your energy keeping the glass in that pressure.

The atmosphere wants to push your arms and glass down but your energy resists that as well.

There is no gravity pulling anything down and nothing pushing anything up. It's atmospheric pressure pushing down against mass/density against atmospheric push BACK/resistance.

Gravity does not exist, 100% certain. It's a made up load of garbage to make a global Earth fit what they tell us.

Can you explain it using this example: I draw air out of a cylinder's top part, the plunger inside comes up because..?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 02:00:59 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 25, 2014, 01:48:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 24, 2014, 01:08:32 PM

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

So you really are saying that atmospheric pressure does not push anything up, it can resist a push coming from above but won't actually push up, is that right?

Correct. Only energy can push it up.

Just like anything on Earth (bear in mind it's not a globe), everything is pushed up by energy applied. A tree, gas, eruptions, etc...everything.

Getting back to the video. Once that glass is lifted up and the card put under it, it's now a case of water being the dense object picked up by energy but it cannot be forced back down by atmospherc pressure due to two things.
1. You holding the atual glass.

2.The weak force of atmospheric pressure left in that glass that cannot be acted on by the atmospheric pressure from above due to the glass bottom creating a barrier to that, along with your energy keeping the glass in that pressure.

The atmosphere wants to push your arms and glass down but your energy resists that as well.

There is no gravity pulling anything down and nothing pushing anything up. It's atmospheric pressure pushing down against mass/density against atmospheric push BACK/resistance.

Gravity does not exist, 100% certain. It's a made up load of garbage to make a global Earth fit what they tell us.

Can you explain it using this example: I draw air out of a cylinder's top part, the plunger inside comes up because..?

You draw out the air creating a lower pressure at the top which is transfered from above to force the air below to compress back into the cylinder, which pushes up the plunger to equalise the pressure.

The air is not pushing up from the bottom on it's own to fill the void, if that's what you're thinking.

To prove it, just think of having a drink through a straw, because this is what you're explaining, except you're using air as the example. The same thing happens.

For instance: when you suck on a straw, you create the low pressure you're talking about with the cylinder.
This forces the air you sucked out into the air above which compresses the water and forces it up te straw.
Can you see what I mean?

So despite air pressure being more at lower elevations than higher elevations, it does not push upward? 

Also, (since I don't recall it ever really being explained) if there is no gravity attracting water, air, and objects toward the ground, then why is air pressure and denpressure directional?

Shouldn't air pressure equalize between high and low elevations?

Quote from: neimoka on November 25, 2014, 10:37:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 02:00:59 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 25, 2014, 01:48:24 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 25, 2014, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: neimoka on November 24, 2014, 01:08:32 PM

Why isn't it pushing up? There's a weak pressure in the glass, and a greater pressure on the outside, and pressure always pushes towards the weaker pressure side as you've pointed out in that dry leaves don't fly against the wind, so the water should be just pushed up. In every other context pressure pushes in every direction, at every surface it can reach. Are you saying that air pressure doesn't apply in 'up' direction?

That's just the point though. Nothing is pushed up unless tehre is energy to do that.
Without someone or something applying that energy, then it's all a push down on any mass/density.

Getting back to the video.
The atmosphere isn't pushing up. It's resisting a push down from the weaker air in the upturned glass. It is never pushing up, it's pushing back, and as soon as people grasp this, they will understand that pushing back against a force is far different than pushing up, because pushing up implies a energy/force but pushing back, implies a resistance and this is the key.

The similarities to gravity and atmospheric pressure are there for all to see. the con is in the explanation they give.

So you really are saying that atmospheric pressure does not push anything up, it can resist a push coming from above but won't actually push up, is that right?

Correct. Only energy can push it up.

Just like anything on Earth (bear in mind it's not a globe), everything is pushed up by energy applied. A tree, gas, eruptions, etc...everything.

Getting back to the video. Once that glass is lifted up and the card put under it, it's now a case of water being the dense object picked up by energy but it cannot be forced back down by atmospherc pressure due to two things.
1. You holding the atual glass.

2.The weak force of atmospheric pressure left in that glass that cannot be acted on by the atmospheric pressure from above due to the glass bottom creating a barrier to that, along with your energy keeping the glass in that pressure.

The atmosphere wants to push your arms and glass down but your energy resists that as well.

There is no gravity pulling anything down and nothing pushing anything up. It's atmospheric pressure pushing down against mass/density against atmospheric push BACK/resistance.

Gravity does not exist, 100% certain. It's a made up load of garbage to make a global Earth fit what they tell us.

Can you explain it using this example: I draw air out of a cylinder's top part, the plunger inside comes up because..?

You draw out the air creating a lower pressure at the top which is transfered from above to force the air below to compress back into the cylinder, which pushes up the plunger to equalise the pressure.

The air is not pushing up from the bottom on it's own to fill the void, if that's what you're thinking.

To prove it, just think of having a drink through a straw, because this is what you're explaining, except you're using air as the example. The same thing happens.

For instance: when you suck on a straw, you create the low pressure you're talking about with the cylinder.
This forces the air you sucked out into the air above which compresses the water and forces it up te straw.
Can you see what I mean?

I think I do see what you mean, what I can not see is how you can think that could actually happen. Pulling air out of the cylinder, with a bit of tube I can lead that air out of the room, or out the window, and you're suggesting that increases the atmospheric pressure in my whole neighborhood and then very specifically my plunger in my cylinder twitches upwards. And with the drinking straw, the air I suck out of the straw doesn't immediately end up in the open atmosphere at all, it's hard to see how that is going to push any drink up through the straw.

So despite air pressure being more at lower elevations than higher elevations, it does not push upward? 

It can never push upwards unless you apply energy to make it do so. It cannot do it on it's own.

Also, (since I don't recall it ever really being explained) if there is no gravity attracting water, air, and objects toward the ground, then why is air pressure and denpressure directional?

Because it is stacked from the bottom up, all the way to the dome.

Shouldn't air pressure equalize between high and low elevations?

It always is trying to equalise but never does, which is why we are alive. It has to always be an action and reaction of pressures. It's basically vibrational frequencies by energy applied.
It's like a cycle that changes variations but never stops. When it does, we are dead.
A simple wave of you hand. A bonk of an eye. Anything. It's always creating a high versus low pressure, just like your body is and everything else is.

I think I do see what you mean, what I can not see is how you can think that could actually happen. Pulling air out of the cylinder, with a bit of tube I can lead that air out of the room, or out the window, and you're suggesting that increases the atmospheric pressure in my whole neighborhood and then very specifically my plunger in my cylinder twitches upwards. And with the drinking straw, the air I suck out of the straw doesn't immediately end up in the open atmosphere at all, it's hard to see how that is going to push any drink up through the straw.

It doesn't matter what you do and where you think it goes. It's happening.
Look, I'll make it easier by using a water analogy so you understand what I'm saying.

Imagine you are underwater. You have a cylinder underwater that's also full of water. Basically it's equalised with the water.
You now suck out the water from the top of the cylinder and by doing this, you've made a lower pressure in that part. Now by sucking that water out, you can either spit it out which you would have to do anyway or you keep it in and have hamster cheeks, because either way you are putting that pressure back into the water by face expansion of water ejection, which immediately equalises into the other side of the cylinder and pushes the plunger up.

It doesn't matter whether you are in the ocean or a swimming pool, or even the bath. The same thing applies. Your energy sucking (action) which you either spit out the water, or breathe out if it was in the atmosphere and then a reaction from that which exerts that pressure right back to the other side.
It's not a case of the atmosphere just falling any old way. It has to be like for like, always. that's how it works.

Quote from: neimoka on November 25, 2014, 11:18:55 AM

I think I do see what you mean, what I can not see is how you can think that could actually happen. Pulling air out of the cylinder, with a bit of tube I can lead that air out of the room, or out the window, and you're suggesting that increases the atmospheric pressure in my whole neighborhood and then very specifically my plunger in my cylinder twitches upwards. And with the drinking straw, the air I suck out of the straw doesn't immediately end up in the open atmosphere at all, it's hard to see how that is going to push any drink up through the straw.

It doesn't matter what you do and where you think it goes. It's happening.
Look, I'll make it easier by using a water analogy so you understand what I'm saying.

Imagine you are underwater. You have a cylinder underwater that's also full of water. Basically it's equalised with the water.
You now suck out the water from the top of the cylinder and by doing this, you've made a lower pressure in that part. Now by sucking that water out, you can either spit it out which you would have to do anyway or you keep it in and have hamster cheeks, because either way you are putting that pressure back into the water by face expansion of water ejection, which immediately equalises into the other side of the cylinder and pushes the plunger up.

It doesn't matter whether you are in the ocean or a swimming pool, or even the bath. The same thing applies. Your energy sucking (action) which you either spit out the water, or breathe out if it was in the atmosphere and then a reaction from that which exerts that pressure right back to the other side.
It's not a case of the atmosphere just falling any old way. It has to be like for like, always. that's how it works.

That doesn't help. I can easily keep a couple cc of fluid in my mouth without puffing my cheeks out like a hamster, and it doesn't matter if we're in water or air. The problems are that

1) air from a small cylinder that goes in the open atmosphere equalizes there, and any change in pressure in the area is going to be so ludicrously small that it's not even measurable, let alone strong enough to lift any object even if the rise in ambient pressure could to that in the first place

2) only a specific item is lifted by a rise in local ambient pressure and there is no reason why that should happen, why won't other objects go up

3) plunger also rises when the air removed from cylinder is drawn into a rigid container so it has no effect on ambient pressure

More practical problems in earlier posts that you have ignored, in case you want to address them.

Do you realize that your response to silhouette did not answer his question on why there is a higher pressure at lower elevation? You just said that that's how it is.

That doesn't help. I can easily keep a couple cc of fluid in my mouth without puffing my cheeks out like a hamster, and it doesn't matter if we're in water or air. The problems are that

I was hoping that you would allow your logic to go with this. It would help if you give it some serious thought.
Whether you kept the water in your mouth and tried your best to not look like a hamster, you're still adding that water which is under pressure and if you don't release it, you don't push the plunger in the other side as you still have that pressure in your mouth pushing back into the straw. Can you see what I'm saying?

1) air from a small cylinder that goes in the open atmosphere equalizes there, and any change in pressure in the area is going to be so ludicrously small that it's not even measurable, let alone strong enough to lift any object even if the rise in ambient pressure could to that in the first place

Any air you suck from a cylinder....Ok let's use a bottle with the top off. You suck on that bottle and the air you suck out goes into the atmosphere as pressure back towards the bottle top but your tiongue is in the way and creating a seal, so it tries to push past your tongue.
Basically it's trying to push your tongue into the bottle until it can  equalise that pressure you took from it. Action and equal and opposite reaction.

2) only a specific item is lifted by a rise in local ambient pressure and there is no reason why that should happen, why won't other objects go up

If you don't apply energy, then nothing can be pushed up.

3) plunger also rises when the air removed from cylinder is drawn into a rigid container so it has no effect on ambient pressure

You'll have to expand on this because I'm not quite sure what you mean. Plus, you are now making understanding it hard for yourself when you were starting to grasp it. Maybe you don;t want to grasp it.

More practical problems in earlier posts that you have ignored, in case you want to address them.

This is now telling me what yo7ur goal is. You're close to going in the bin.

Do you realize that your response to silhouette did not answer his question on why there is a higher pressure at lower elevation? You just said that that's how it is.

No more need to reply, you're binned. People like you aren't inetrested in understanding and I'm not wasting another second on you.