Satellites-man created ones

Hello,i'm a newbie and pretty much  a novice  to the theory - but after viewing several good videos up on YouTube regarding the matter, all of which fascinates me and so many good points shown in regard the world being flat.
           However there are questions i'm unsure about whether or not they have answers. One such query is: what about the satellites orbiting the earth(man-made ones, some used for television, communications, gps, surveilance etc...)Doesn't the fact of their orbiting suggest the world must be round like a ball. or are they orbiting the circle of the world (e.g.like the outer edges of a circular  dinner plate, albeit above the earth?) Surely these could give us the positive answers too as to whether we're living on a flat earth or round like a ball? I'd appreciate any answers/debate on the query. Thank You. Kindest from pennine-rainbows  uk

Welcome, pennine-rainbows.

The standard answer you'll get from most of the flat-earth adherents here about satellites is simply "They don't exist.  They're part of the Conspiracy." This answer has certain shortcomings, like what are those things you can see moving through the sky exactly as predicted? What are all those Satellite TV antennas pointing at? How does GPS work in the middle of the ocean?  I think they feel they have to say this because it gives them carte-blanche to claim any pictures purported to be from a satellite, which clearly show a spherical earth, must be fake.

Enjoy your time here.  Ask questions. Read and try to understand the answers given - both pro- and anti-flat-earth.  See which describe a more coherent system with fewer unanswered questions.

Welcome.

Another standard answer is "space travel does not exist." A lot of us have found out that if you don't take almost anything from a "flat earther" seriously on this website you can have a lot of fun. Enjoy.

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Don't listen to QuQu.  The same effects that are attributed to satellites can be explained by pseudolites and stratellites.

Don't listen to QuQu.  The same effects that are attributed to satellites can be explained by pseudolites and stratellites.

Effects? Hardly.  Please explain in detail with references.

QuQu is only wrong because there is a small community of nutcase tin-foil hat brigade-ers who actually believe this nonsense. Now, J, what the hell is pseudolite or stratolite? I have a feeling I'm going to have a lot more questions from your answer. Like, how do they stay aloft? How do you know they are there? How do you know the real world satellites aren't?

However there are questions I'm unsure about whether or not they have answers. One such query is: what about the satellites orbiting the earth (man-made ones, some used for television, communications, gps, surveillance etc...)  Doesn't the fact of their orbiting suggest the world must be round like a ball.

Flat earther answer:  Man-made satellites do not exist. All the communications methods you suggest rely on low-altitude balloons (stratellites) or ground-based transceivers (pseudolites). 

Unfortunately for the flat earthers, stratellites don't yet exist in the real world, and, even worse, pseudolites are being developed by NASA—who all flat earthers claim are untrustworthy liars, and part of some major conspiracy to dumb down and defraud the public.

You'll find though that the flat earthers are more than happy to accept NASA technology when it suits their arguments, but otherwise consider them to be the most evil organisation on the planet.

—Laughable really.

Quote from: jroa on August 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM

Don't listen to QuQu.  The same effects that are attributed to satellites can be explained by pseudolites and stratellites.

Effects? Hardly.  Please explain in detail with references.

Stratellites are basically balloons that perform the same function as satellites supposedly do.  Pseudolites are ground based transceivers that perform the same function as satellites supposedly do. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudolite

....aaaand neither of them are here. Sure, there are some prototypes that have been built, but they generally aren't used because satellites are much more effective. And, even if there where a gigantic fleet of outhouse antennas and blimp radios, how come no one sees them? Cell service providers are a hugely funded industry, that outweighs several times the budget of NASA, and yet they can't seem to cover even a majority of the U.S., much less the entire world including the sea, the arctic, Antarctic, and desolate deserts. And yet no one has noticed them. Not one of these blimps has been seen floating about, and not one of these outhouses have been identified. What a laughably pathetic excuse. "ALIENS DID IT" Is more plausible than that drudgery.

Quote from: inquisitive on August 26, 2014, 01:28:54 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM

Don't listen to QuQu.  The same effects that are attributed to satellites can be explained by pseudolites and stratellites.

Effects? Hardly.  Please explain in detail with references.

Stratellites are basically balloons that perform the same function as satellites supposedly do.  Pseudolites are ground based transceivers that perform the same function as satellites supposedly do. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudolite

Please explain how the angles of satellite dishes are fully consistent with the stated positions of satellites.

11Ghz dishes do not point at ground based transmitters.

I doubt that jroa even reads through the links he cites here.  He says...

Stratellites are basically balloons that perform the same function as satellites supposedly do.

The link he refers to also says:  "So far, this technology remains unproven, and is very far from commercialization. A working proto-type that can perform all these functions doesn't exist".

You were saying jroa...?

Many Thanks *Alpha2Omega,*Googleotomy & *QuQu for your kind welcome. Thanks Alpha2Omega for the wise advice given toward the end of your message. I shall keep this in mind.
 It's a topic i'd not given much heed to before, just accepting most of what we're (conventionally) taught & told (not always necessarily the truth of course!!!)to be true. Yet on the other hand when i was very young, i had an awareness about being told truths or untruths. a kind of intuition. So it is that we shouldn't be afraid nor ashamed of asking questions (though politically, i don't think some authorities particularly like us to)for example it's nearly a crime deserving of a penal sentence to question the official version of so-called  Anthropogenic Global Warming . And how do we really know humans have been to the moon? We weren't there ourselves to witness the event.  Anyway, will pop in from time to time to see how the great debate is going, at this stage though i can't really say i believe/disbelieve in Flat-Earth, or Ball-shaped Earth or Hollowed-Earth even, but i'll enjoy the debate and the questions and points of view and the learning. It  shows a healthy democracy at least if we can discuss matters. Kindest to All, pennine rainbows

Many Thanks *Alpha2Omega,*Googleotomy & *QuQu for your kind welcome. Thanks Alpha2Omega for the wise advice given toward the end of your message. I shall keep this in mind.
 It's a topic i'd not given much heed to before, just accepting most of what we're (conventionally) taught & told (not always necessarily the truth of course!!!)to be true. Yet on the other hand when i was very young, i had an awareness about being told truths or untruths. a kind of intuition. So it is that we shouldn't be afraid nor ashamed of asking questions (though politically, i don't think some authorities particularly like us to)for example it's nearly a crime deserving of a penal sentence to question the official version of so-called  Anthropogenic Global Warming . And how do we really know humans have been to the moon? We weren't there ourselves to witness the event.  Anyway, will pop in from time to time to see how the great debate is going, at this stage though i can't really say i believe/disbelieve in Flat-Earth, or Ball-shaped Earth or Hollowed-Earth even, but i'll enjoy the debate and the questions and points of view and the learning. It  shows a healthy democracy at least if we can discuss matters. Kindest to All, pennine rainbows

Others have.

How do you know Australia exists if you have not been there?

This is not a debate forum, inquisitive. 

This is not a debate forum, inquisitive.

p-r asked a question.

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Just Supposing -Earth is a Flat disc-albeit circular, rather like a big dinner plate or better still maybe a clock. (as i've mentioned elsewhere, somewhere)London say is at 6 o'clock, New York is at 9 o'clock, Australia is 12 o'clock, Asia/Europe 3 o'clock, then back to London at 6 o'clock. Therefore any moving object be aircraft or ship going off on a world tour would in effect be going around the world as it's still a circular motion, even in an east-west direction. It would still be possible for satellites to be up there going round and round, but moving around a circle, like traveling around the outer rim of the circular clock or dinner plate as it were?  I reckon a test might be if any aircraft can fly over the antarctic? which i read somewhere hasn't ( on a flat-earth the "antarctic" circles the world on its outer rim. ) Anyway just a thought
Ps. Re Inquisitive : "Others have.
 
How do you know Australia exists if you have not been there?"End Quote.
 
Exactly, we as individuals can believe or disbelieve Australia exists (if we haven't been there) But we can research, we can talk to those who have been there or even meet Australians, they can tell us how we get there, show us photographs (and not mere drawings/paintings) we can believe/disbelieve them, weigh up what evidences exists to support  what we're told and learn. and we can save up enough money and go there for ourselves. We'd know without  doubt a land called Australia actually exist. None of us can take off to the moon to check. My statement was merely an example of swallowing without question what the telly or the radio tells us. Especially by authorities running the world.

There is hope for us all. In any case, jroa seems to have figured out stratellites and pseudolites were outdated before they were created. Does anybody else have a theory?

Q1)   Do you now accept that stratellites do not yet exist jroa?

Q2)   Do you agree that you misinterpreted the content of the relevant link you cited?

Can you please address my two questions (above) jroa?

Welcome,

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How true !

The main word in the flat earth vocabulary is "denial".