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Re: Really?
« Reply #120 on: August 18, 2014, 06:09:25 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

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« Reply #121 on: August 18, 2014, 06:53:35 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans. 

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« Reply #122 on: August 18, 2014, 06:57:56 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans.

Is a GPS signal as unreliable as what Goth described?
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« Reply #123 on: August 18, 2014, 07:19:52 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans.

Is a GPS signal as unreliable as what Goth described?

Goth was simply giving an example of the kind of coverage that can be achieved with a radio signal. 

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« Reply #124 on: August 18, 2014, 07:38:33 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans.

Is a GPS signal as unreliable as what Goth described?

Goth was simply giving an example of the kind of coverage that can be achieved with a radio signal.

I understand that.  Then it was pointed out that the transmission method Goth described was likely unreliable for the purposes of a GPS system.  You then mentioned that satellites ("flying trashcans") were also unreliable.  Which lead me to ask my question of you. 

Can you answer the question I asked you please?
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« Reply #125 on: August 18, 2014, 08:37:01 AM »
Can you answer the question I asked you please?
You're new here, aren't you?
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« Reply #126 on: August 18, 2014, 08:53:24 AM »
None of this is a new idea.  LORAN was developed during WWII and improved in the 1950s.  It used ground-based HF transmitters, had long range and could provide geographic positions accurate to a mile or so, but no altitude information.  This was perfectly adequate for the task it was designed for, which was long-range air and ship navigation on the open ocean.  It's been largely abandoned in favor of the much more precise GPS and similar satellite-based systems.

Why lie about GPS being satellite-based if people were already comfortable with a land-based system?  Doing so means you not only have the problem of maintaining land-based transmitters all over the world, but keeping everyone involved hushed up - including designers, installers, technicians, and operators, not to mention the added expense for hardware and hush money for all the people involved with faked "launches".  All this with no leaks. Ever. The accuracy of the system speaks for itself and is the reason people like and use it; whether it's land-based or satellite-based is irrelevant, so what would be the point of saying it's satellite based if it's not?  This just doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Really?
« Reply #127 on: August 18, 2014, 09:39:04 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans.
Well documented elsewhere.

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« Reply #128 on: August 18, 2014, 09:40:08 AM »
And how exactly do you want to use such an unpredictable and unreliable signal to allow for perfect positioning on a global scale?

I could ask the same thing about how it works with flying trashcans.

Is a GPS signal as unreliable as what Goth described?

Goth was simply giving an example of the kind of coverage that can be achieved with a radio signal.
Not relevant to the discussion of GPS.

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« Reply #129 on: August 18, 2014, 10:12:28 AM »
This seems to be some more FE Nonsense.

GPS does use satellites , is accurate and can give altitude information whereas land based systems can not. Simple. Most of the things that FE says do not exist actually exist, are proven and are used every day by every one.
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« Reply #130 on: August 18, 2014, 12:10:48 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do. 

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« Reply #131 on: August 18, 2014, 12:31:00 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.

And how are stratellites proposed to track their own location in order to remain stationary? Oh right, by using GPS. ::)
http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/RaviIIT/stratellites-30728831
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Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

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« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »
How do satellites track their own location?

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« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2014, 01:00:40 PM »
How do satellites track their own location?
Why would they need to? Once they are put in an orbit, they maintain it unless disturbed by stuff crashing into them -obvious result - or minimal, gradual, constant slowing down.

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« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2014, 01:11:08 PM »
How do satellites track their own location?
GPS satellites know the properties of their own orbits, as well as the orbits of all the other satellites in the constellation.  Those orbits are monitored and updated information is sent to the satellites.
The flight paths of the satellites are tracked by dedicated U.S. Air Force monitoring stations in Hawaii, Kwajalein Atoll, Ascension Island, Diego Garcia, Colorado Springs, Colorado and Cape Canaveral, along with shared NGA monitor stations operated in England, Argentina, Ecuador, Bahrain, Australia and Washington DC.[64] The tracking information is sent to the Air Force Space Command MCS at Schriever Air Force Base 25 km (16 mi) ESE of Colorado Springs, which is operated by the 2nd Space Operations Squadron (2 SOPS) of the U.S. Air Force. Then 2 SOPS contacts each GPS satellite regularly with a navigational update using dedicated or shared (AFSCN) ground antennas (GPS dedicated ground antennas are located at Kwajalein, Ascension Island, Diego Garcia, and Cape Canaveral). These updates synchronize the atomic clocks on board the satellites to within a few nanoseconds of each other, and adjust the ephemeris of each satellite's internal orbital model.
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Re: Really?
« Reply #135 on: August 18, 2014, 01:15:15 PM »
How do satellites track their own location?
Information on GPS is easily found on the internet, there is no need to ask questions here.

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Re: Really?
« Reply #136 on: August 18, 2014, 01:18:21 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
They do not exist and existing GPS is based on satellites as you know.

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Re: Really?
« Reply #137 on: August 18, 2014, 01:23:15 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
They do not exist and existing GPS is based on satellites as you know.
Sorry guys, I was at work.
I have seen that we have gave jroa so much correct information, that it is about time that he gives us some evidence on why the Earth is flat.
Give us some, jroa
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Re: Really?
« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2014, 01:26:02 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
Perhaps you should use the more generic term pseudollite or stratospheric airship, rather than the trademarked name of a product that is not yet in operational service.
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« Reply #139 on: August 18, 2014, 01:29:20 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
They do not exist and existing GPS is based on satellites as you know.
Sorry guys, I was at work.
I have seen that we have gave jroa so much correct information, that it is about time that he gives us some evidence on why the Earth is flat.
Give us some, jroa

You claim that the Earth is round, and I say it is not.  Then, you demand evidence and demand that I prove a negative?  Hey, Tatooine is real.  Here is a picture.  Now, prove it is not real.  ::)

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Re: Really?
« Reply #140 on: August 18, 2014, 01:34:03 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
They do not exist and existing GPS is based on satellites as you know.



You claim that the Earth is round, and I say it is not.  Then, you demand evidence and demand that I prove a negative?  Hey, Tatooine is real.  Here is a picture.  Now, prove it is not real.  ::)


Now, that I have gave you visual evidence, you give us some visual evidence.
It isn't a "debate" if both sides don't give the same amount of evidence.
It is about time you give us some evidence.
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« Reply #141 on: August 18, 2014, 01:39:09 PM »
Stratollites can perform the same function that a satellite is claimed to do.
They do not exist and existing GPS is based on satellites as you know.



You claim that the Earth is round, and I say it is not.  Then, you demand evidence and demand that I prove a negative?  Hey, Tatooine is real.  Here is a picture.  Now, prove it is not real.  ::)


Now, that I have gave you visual evidence, you give us some visual evidence.
It isn't a "debate" if both sides don't give the same amount of evidence.
It is about time you give us some evidence.
Well I screwed that up, LOL
Give us some evidence, rather then just trying to prove that we are wrong.
Tell us why the Earth is flat.
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« Reply #142 on: August 18, 2014, 01:39:52 PM »
I just provided evidence, and you are skirting the topic.  Is Tatooine real?  I have posted a picture. 

Also, please fix your quote so I don't sound like a dumb RE'er. 

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« Reply #143 on: August 18, 2014, 01:41:41 PM »
I just provided evidence, and you are skirting the topic.  Is Tatooine real?  I have posted a picture. 

Also, please fix your quote so I don't sound like a smart RE'er.
FTFY
You haven't actually proved anything about why you think the Earth is flat.
You can fix it, I don't know how to.
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« Reply #144 on: August 18, 2014, 01:44:09 PM »
And you have not provided evidence yet that Tatooine is real or not real. 

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« Reply #145 on: August 18, 2014, 01:45:44 PM »
I just provided evidence, and you are skirting the topic.
It looks like we are all too stupid to understand how a piece of graphics for a movie, depicting a fictional, round celestial object, is evidence for a flat Earth...

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« Reply #146 on: August 18, 2014, 01:45:59 PM »
And you have not provided evidence yet that Tatooine is real or not real.
Stay on topic.
This isn't about tatooine, ok?
You must be trying to use your skill of not answering questions.
Give us some evidence
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« Reply #147 on: August 18, 2014, 01:48:42 PM »
Evidence that something is not real?

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« Reply #148 on: August 18, 2014, 01:49:32 PM »
Perhaps you don't understand how proving a negative works.

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« Reply #149 on: August 18, 2014, 01:50:22 PM »
Evidence that something is not real?
::)
Evidence that proves that the Earth is flat.
Don't be a hypocrite
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