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Ice Wall Questions
« on: July 27, 2014, 09:41:45 AM »
Hi so i've read the FAQ and i don't do a lot of travelling cos i'm quite poor.

I'm really interested about this ice wall though! How tall is it? How thick is it? How come it never melts? Has anyone ever climbed to the top? Do wildlings really actually exist? I'd love to meet an ice giant one day.

Thanks :D
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM »
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2014, 09:55:39 PM »
But how is it known that there is a land mass encompassing the known earth if no one has ever been there?
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM »
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 01:03:06 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
And the navigation is fully consistent with a round earth, unless you can prove otherwise.
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2014, 02:06:52 AM »
Quote from: inquisitive on July 28, 2014, 01:03:06 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
And the navigation is fully consistent with a round earth, unless you can prove otherwise.

How is that a flat Earth question or answer? 
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 02:38:00 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
What navigation system do they use and is there any evidence it is not based on a round earth?  Question.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2014, 02:38:38 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
Then where are the pictures of the ice wall or edge of the earth?
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2014, 02:50:18 AM »
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 02:38:38 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
Then where are the pictures of the ice wall or edge of the earth?

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2014, 03:15:35 AM »
That's the Barne Glacier in Ross Island Antarctica taken by Michael. J. Hambrey. You can climb over that and walk. Too bad for your attempt at using photographs of the coastline of Antarctica where many people have ventured and returned.

Look at this mountain behind the Jroa's ice wall:

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2014, 03:24:34 AM »
I was asked for a picture of the ice wall, and I provided one.  What exactly is your problem with my picture?  I think those might be NASA agents in those vehicles, too.   
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 03:37:33 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:24:34 AM
I was asked for a picture of the ice wall, and I provided one.  What exactly is your problem with my picture?  I think those might be NASA agents in those vehicles, too.

People not employed by Nasa including your pictures photographer M. J. Hambrey has ventured past this glacial wall. Or is all ice walls now The Ice Wall?
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Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 08:22:49 AM
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM »
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2014, 05:10:07 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 02:06:52 AM
Quote from: inquisitive on July 28, 2014, 01:03:06 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Who said no one has ever been there?  I did not say that.  In fact, people go to Antarctica all the time.
And the navigation is fully consistent with a round earth, unless you can prove otherwise.

How is that a flat Earth question or answer?

Is the point of this forum that every post has to be a flat earth question or answer? Because that's a bit ridiculous (not least cos it means you can roll that out when someone makes a statement you can't justify according to flat earth theory).
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2014, 05:15:09 AM »
Well, you happen to be in FE Q&A.  I will let you connect the dots. 
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2014, 06:11:25 AM »
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?

If I encompass your known neighborhood with caution tape, does that mean that the rest or the world does not exist?  I know you are just trying to be silly, but it seems to not be working for you. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2014, 07:14:16 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 05:15:09 AM
Well, you happen to be in FE Q&A.  I will let you connect the dots.

This isn't a FE Q or A? (see what I'm getting at?)
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2014, 07:33:02 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?

If I encompass your known neighborhood with caution tape, does that mean that the rest or the world does not exist?  I know you are just trying to be silly, but it seems to not be working for you.
Show me where I said nothing exists beyond a boundary?
I just stated that if the ice wall encompasses the known world, then outside that boundary is unknown.
Take your analogy for example.
If you grew up in that neighborhood, the known world would be encompassed by caution tape.  However, if the mayor of the neighborhood decided to find out what was beyond the caution tape, and mounted an expedition, once this expedition crossed the caution tape, the known world has expanded beyond the caution tape.  See what I'm getting at?

You can't say the ice wall encompasses the known world in one post and then the next post say that people have been beyond it.
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2014, 08:11:13 AM »
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 07:33:02 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?

If I encompass your known neighborhood with caution tape, does that mean that the rest or the world does not exist?  I know you are just trying to be silly, but it seems to not be working for you.
Show me where I said nothing exists beyond a boundary?
I just stated that if the ice wall encompasses the known world, then outside that boundary is unknown.
Take your analogy for example.
If you grew up in that neighborhood, the known world would be encompassed by caution tape.  However, if the mayor of the neighborhood decided to find out what was beyond the caution tape, and mounted an expedition, once this expedition crossed the caution tape, the known world has expanded beyond the caution tape.  See what I'm getting at?

You can't say the ice wall encompasses the known world in one post and then the next post say that people have been beyond it.

So, then, we can agree that it would be possible to go past the ice wall, if it does exist? 
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2014, 12:51:35 PM »
All the pictures on these boards and all the descriptions in the FE FAQ seem to describe ice walls that have been discovered and navigated beyond.
They are all ice walls but since you can navigate from each of these walls across the South Pole, to another ice wall, why would you ever call them "The Ice Wall"?
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2014, 09:31:29 PM »
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 07:33:02 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?

If I encompass your known neighborhood with caution tape, does that mean that the rest or the world does not exist?  I know you are just trying to be silly, but it seems to not be working for you.
Show me where I said nothing exists beyond a boundary?
I just stated that if the ice wall encompasses the known world, then outside that boundary is unknown.
Take your analogy for example.
If you grew up in that neighborhood, the known world would be encompassed by caution tape.  However, if the mayor of the neighborhood decided to find out what was beyond the caution tape, and mounted an expedition, once this expedition crossed the caution tape, the known world has expanded beyond the caution tape.  See what I'm getting at?

You can't say the ice wall encompasses the known world in one post and then the next post say that people have been beyond it.

So, then, we can agree that it would be possible to go past the ice wall, if it does exist?
Only if you agree that if people have passed it, if it does exist, then it would no longer encompass the known world.
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Re: Ice Wall Questions
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2014, 01:55:36 PM »
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 07:33:02 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: BJ1234 on July 28, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 28, 2014, 03:44:02 AM
Who said it is not possible to venture past the ice wall?  ???

Well, for starters, you did.

Quote from: jroa on July 27, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
The  "Ice Wall" is simply an ice covered land mass that encompasses the known Earth.  It is not literally a wall made out of ice. 

If the ice wall encompasses the known earth, by definition, what lies past it is unknown.  Therefore, no one has been past it.  So how could this possibly be The Ice Wall if people have been past it?

If I encompass your known neighborhood with caution tape, does that mean that the rest or the world does not exist?  I know you are just trying to be silly, but it seems to not be working for you.
Show me where I said nothing exists beyond a boundary?
I just stated that if the ice wall encompasses the known world, then outside that boundary is unknown.
Take your analogy for example.
If you grew up in that neighborhood, the known world would be encompassed by caution tape.  However, if the mayor of the neighborhood decided to find out what was beyond the caution tape, and mounted an expedition, once this expedition crossed the caution tape, the known world has expanded beyond the caution tape.  See what I'm getting at?

You can't say the ice wall encompasses the known world in one post and then the next post say that people have been beyond it.

So, then, we can agree that it would be possible to go past the ice wall, if it does exist?
Only if you agree that if people have passed it, if it does exist, then it would no longer encompass the known world.

If people have gone past it, then it is possible that it is not general knowledge what they saw, so, the known world would still be within it, right? 
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