So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #780 on: October 12, 2014, 02:52:11 PM »
I've took 10 of you on at times and none of you have came close to challenging me with any meaningful truths, just memory gymnastics, gained from snippets you learned from books or Google like search engines.


I'd like to thank sceptimatic for the first laugh of what's panning out to be a very dull day.

sceptimatic
is now claiming that learning stuff from books is not worthy of consideration.  I'd like to ask him what sources—other than books—has he learned what he thinks he knows about science from?  And does he never refer to Google or Wikipedia as a source of date?

Seriously?  No books, no Google, no Wiki.  Just how does he do it folks?  The man's a walking miracle.
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.
Please name some.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #781 on: October 12, 2014, 03:05:00 PM »
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.


Assuming that you do in fact write your own books, could you give us the names of a few sceptimatic?  I'd also ask you why—as you said earlier on that books were worthless as a learning source—what makes yours apparently different, and why should anyone bother to read them considering your poor opinion of them as a source of knowledge?  Where do you distribute them, and to whom?

And can you also name a few of those other geniuses you confer with, and by what criteria you judge yourself as being a "genius"?  Is your IQ = 125+ which is the nominal rating to be considered a genius?
I never said books were worthless. I said a lot of mainstream scientific books are worthless for reality reading. They can be amazing as scientific fantasy/fiction.

My books are many. My inventions are many. My books may have been read by you, maybe.
I won't name them but I will allow you to be privvy to an up and coming book due out in the middle of next year that I contributed quite a lot to. It's called "patent discontent."
I'm sure you can guess what it's about and I'll be happy to give snippets out in the right forum topic.
My other book which is down to myself and uncle is a book called "Trapped in fantasy" which is due out in 3 weeks time.

As for IQ. there's no such thing. A persons' intelligence is not gauged on the speed of their answers, nor is it gauged on the ability to memorise. A persons' inteligence is gauged on their ability to think for themselves, logically.

Speed of thought only gives a person a head start in a race. Whether that's a mental race or a physical race, it does not gauge the overall strength of a person.
Every person who can think for themselves is a potential genius in the making. Any person that refuses to think for themselves and would rather follow patterns, is no more a genius than someone who has spent their life locked in a box.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #782 on: October 12, 2014, 03:08:27 PM »
I've took 10 of you on at times and none of you have came close to challenging me with any meaningful truths, just memory gymnastics, gained from snippets you learned from books or Google like search engines.


I'd like to thank sceptimatic for the first laugh of what's panning out to be a very dull day.

sceptimatic
is now claiming that learning stuff from books is not worthy of consideration.  I'd like to ask him what sources—other than books—has he learned what he thinks he knows about science from?  And does he never refer to Google or Wikipedia as a source of date?

Seriously?  No books, no Google, no Wiki.  Just how does he do it folks?  The man's a walking miracle.
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.

The main problem I have with you, Scepti, is that I have no reason to believe a word you say over whatever I believe. You've provided no proof of your expertise or any coherent argument thus far. Unfortunately, I'm not mathematically oriented so I can't assess those complicated equations some people put up. Nevertheless, you might be a fun guy to have a beer with, but as for your world (and universe) view? No thanks!

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #783 on: October 12, 2014, 03:19:37 PM »
I've took 10 of you on at times and none of you have came close to challenging me with any meaningful truths, just memory gymnastics, gained from snippets you learned from books or Google like search engines.


I'd like to thank sceptimatic for the first laugh of what's panning out to be a very dull day.

sceptimatic
is now claiming that learning stuff from books is not worthy of consideration.  I'd like to ask him what sources—other than books—has he learned what he thinks he knows about science from?  And does he never refer to Google or Wikipedia as a source of date?

Seriously?  No books, no Google, no Wiki.  Just how does he do it folks?  The man's a walking miracle.
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.

The main problem I have with you, Scepti, is that I have no reason to believe a word you say over whatever I believe. You've provided no proof of your expertise or any coherent argument thus far. Unfortunately, I'm not mathematically oriented so I can't assess those complicated equations some people put up. Nevertheless, you might be a fun guy to have a beer with, but as for your world (and universe) view? No thanks!
I'm not asking nor imploring you to accept or believe anything I say. You have your own mind, you can decide whatever you want to.
The trouble with a lot of people is, they come for a fight. Not in the physical sense but in the mental sense.
Many people use me as their lever in science, because I make it easy for them to do so. It gives people a gee up and makes them feel important - sort of intellectually advanced by dealing with me.
Why do you think I get so much attention?

Now that can be taken as me being the village idiot, which I'm sure someone will use as a quote.  ;D
The issue a lot of people have...and it's a huge issue...is...they use equations that they attribute to beyond Earth and they have no clue as to why they do it but they will tell you that they do it because they are experts on what is up there, when the truth is, they have simply copied and asborbed, mostly a pot filled to the brim with crap.

It makes them feel special. I simply don't waste my time giving out calculations that mean nothing in life and I'm certainly not going to calculate fantasy.

That being said. You can carry on arguing for your globe and all the trimmings with me. You obviously know you will get no change out of me doing it. What you will get out of me, is my internet forum respect if you ever decide to use your brain and question some of this shit you've been brainwashed with. You get none for no attempt.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #784 on: October 12, 2014, 04:08:17 PM »
I've took 10 of you on at times and none of you have came close to challenging me with any meaningful truths, just memory gymnastics, gained from snippets you learned from books or Google like search engines.


I'd like to thank sceptimatic for the first laugh of what's panning out to be a very dull day.

sceptimatic
is now claiming that learning stuff from books is not worthy of consideration.  I'd like to ask him what sources—other than books—has he learned what he thinks he knows about science from?  And does he never refer to Google or Wikipedia as a source of date?

Seriously?  No books, no Google, no Wiki.  Just how does he do it folks?  The man's a walking miracle.
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.

The main problem I have with you, Scepti, is that I have no reason to believe a word you say over whatever I believe. You've provided no proof of your expertise or any coherent argument thus far. Unfortunately, I'm not mathematically oriented so I can't assess those complicated equations some people put up. Nevertheless, you might be a fun guy to have a beer with, but as for your world (and universe) view? No thanks!
I'm not asking nor imploring you to accept or believe anything I say. You have your own mind, you can decide whatever you want to.
The trouble with a lot of people is, they come for a fight. Not in the physical sense but in the mental sense.
Many people use me as their lever in science, because I make it easy for them to do so. It gives people a gee up and makes them feel important - sort of intellectually advanced by dealing with me.
Why do you think I get so much attention?

Now that can be taken as me being the village idiot, which I'm sure someone will use as a quote.  ;D
The issue a lot of people have...and it's a huge issue...is...they use equations that they attribute to beyond Earth and they have no clue as to why they do it but they will tell you that they do it because they are experts on what is up there, when the truth is, they have simply copied and asborbed, mostly a pot filled to the brim with crap.

It makes them feel special. I simply don't waste my time giving out calculations that mean nothing in life and I'm certainly not going to calculate fantasy.

That being said. You can carry on arguing for your globe and all the trimmings with me. You obviously know you will get no change out of me doing it. What you will get out of me, is my internet forum respect if you ever decide to use your brain and question some of this shit you've been brainwashed with. You get none for no attempt.

I have no reason to question RE/space travel/mega-universe. These aren't controversial to me. So why am I here? Just curious as to what kind of people espouse FET.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #785 on: October 12, 2014, 04:41:47 PM »
I've took 10 of you on at times and none of you have came close to challenging me with any meaningful truths, just memory gymnastics, gained from snippets you learned from books or Google like search engines.


I'd like to thank sceptimatic for the first laugh of what's panning out to be a very dull day.

sceptimatic
is now claiming that learning stuff from books is not worthy of consideration.  I'd like to ask him what sources—other than books—has he learned what he thinks he knows about science from?  And does he never refer to Google or Wikipedia as a source of date?

Seriously?  No books, no Google, no Wiki.  Just how does he do it folks?  The man's a walking miracle.
I write my own books, Geoffrey. I'm a genius. I invent, I work stuff out. I think, therefore, I am.
The stuff I need to learn, I do it selectively by seeking out thinking geniuses.

The main problem I have with you, Scepti, is that I have no reason to believe a word you say over whatever I believe. You've provided no proof of your expertise or any coherent argument thus far. Unfortunately, I'm not mathematically oriented so I can't assess those complicated equations some people put up. Nevertheless, you might be a fun guy to have a beer with, but as for your world (and universe) view? No thanks!
I'm not asking nor imploring you to accept or believe anything I say. You have your own mind, you can decide whatever you want to.
The trouble with a lot of people is, they come for a fight. Not in the physical sense but in the mental sense.
Many people use me as their lever in science, because I make it easy for them to do so. It gives people a gee up and makes them feel important - sort of intellectually advanced by dealing with me.
Why do you think I get so much attention?

Now that can be taken as me being the village idiot, which I'm sure someone will use as a quote.  ;D
The issue a lot of people have...and it's a huge issue...is...they use equations that they attribute to beyond Earth and they have no clue as to why they do it but they will tell you that they do it because they are experts on what is up there, when the truth is, they have simply copied and asborbed, mostly a pot filled to the brim with crap.

It makes them feel special. I simply don't waste my time giving out calculations that mean nothing in life and I'm certainly not going to calculate fantasy.

That being said. You can carry on arguing for your globe and all the trimmings with me. You obviously know you will get no change out of me doing it. What you will get out of me, is my internet forum respect if you ever decide to use your brain and question some of this shit you've been brainwashed with. You get none for no attempt.

So you have calculations proving that Newtonian mechanics and/or space travel are wrong and you claimed you would show them, once we figured out we are wrong but aren't going to show them because it's a waste of time... Even though you said you would. Good show.
Aether is the  characteristic of action or inaction of charged  & noncharged particals.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #786 on: October 14, 2014, 05:47:19 AM »
My books are many. My inventions are many. My books may have been read by you, maybe.
I won't name them.....
 

Yeah, yeah... sure thing sceptimatic.  Of course you've written books.  Possibly dozens of them.  And of course you've invented lots of stuff.

I've called your bluff several times now over these two claims you repeat endlessly.

So... unless you can name a few of these alleged books, and/or something you've invented, then I'm calling you a LIAR.

I seldom do that with people on forums, but I'll make an exception in your case.  YOU ARE A LIAR.

If, however you prove my liar claim to be erroneous, then I'll post a full and frank apology to you personally, on this forum, for everybody else to see.

—Can't be fairer can it?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #787 on: October 16, 2014, 08:18:27 PM »
  YOU ARE A LIAR.



Yes, Buzz (topic) is a liar about his Moon trip.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #788 on: October 16, 2014, 11:25:52 PM »
YOU ARE A LIAR.

Yes, Buzz (topic) is a liar about his Moon trip.


This is quite funny, coming as it does from somebody whose entire site is a farrago of disinformation, pseudoscience, half-truths, exaggerations, falsifications, and..... lies.

And I really think you need to be a bit more generous of spirit regarding Aldrin's interactions with the press.  After all, the guy's 85 years old, and I think when people are that sort of age, we really need to make a few allowances for their quirks of character.

Also, Aldrin possesses both a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering, plus a  Doctor of Science degree in astronautics—which makes your single alleged Masters look a bit shaky LOL.  Unless of course you can tell us the university where you were granted your M.Sc so we can check its alumni records.



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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #789 on: October 16, 2014, 11:47:22 PM »
Unless of course you can tell us the university where you were granted your M.Sc so we can check its alumni records.

Miles Off Topic but I am quite proud of my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .  My old Alma Mater (Chalmers) does not like me any longer after I demonstrated how it does pseudoscience of safety at sea and suggests that the principle of Archimedes does not apply - http://heiwaco.com/news.htm .

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #790 on: October 17, 2014, 02:47:14 AM »
Miles Off Topic but I am quite proud of my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .  My old Alma Mater (Chalmers) does not like me any longer after I demonstrated how it does pseudoscience of safety at sea and suggests that the principle of Archimedes does not apply - http://heiwaco.com/news.htm .

I note that you also claim that SSPA Marin AB Gothenburg, the Maritime Research Institute Netherlands (MARIN) Holland, and the University of Strathclyde, Scotland are also party to fraudulent reporting relating to the Estonia sinking study 2005-2008.

So... at the same time as you're making these unfounded allegations against four accredited establishments, you're claiming that Buzz Aldrin is a fraud?

—Seems extremely unlikely to me, particularly as you lack any viable evidence for your claims against Aldrin.

I'm not sure why you're so "proud" of your CV.   The United States Coast Guard does not allow your big deal Coulombi Egg Tanker to enter US waters, effectively preventing it from even being built LOL.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #791 on: October 17, 2014, 03:13:54 AM »
My books are many. My inventions are many. My books may have been read by you, maybe.
I won't name them.....
 

Yeah, yeah... sure thing sceptimatic.  Of course you've written books.  Possibly dozens of them.  And of course you've invented lots of stuff.

I've called your bluff several times now over these two claims you repeat endlessly.

So... unless you can name a few of these alleged books, and/or something you've invented, then I'm calling you a LIAR.

I seldom do that with people on forums, but I'll make an exception in your case.  YOU ARE A LIAR.

If, however you prove my liar claim to be erroneous, then I'll post a full and frank apology to you personally, on this forum, for everybody else to see.

—Can't be fairer can it?
I have no wish to prove your liar claim. Decide what you want to, I'm easy with it.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #792 on: October 17, 2014, 04:36:19 AM »
My books are many. My inventions are many. My books may have been read by you, maybe.
I won't name them.....
 

Yeah, yeah... sure thing sceptimatic.  Of course you've written books.  Possibly dozens of them.  And of course you've invented lots of stuff.

I've called your bluff several times now over these two claims you repeat endlessly.

So... unless you can name a few of these alleged books, and/or something you've invented, then I'm calling you a LIAR.

I seldom do that with people on forums, but I'll make an exception in your case.  YOU ARE A LIAR.

If, however you prove my liar claim to be erroneous, then I'll post a full and frank apology to you personally, on this forum, for everybody else to see.

—Can't be fairer can it?
I have no wish to prove your liar claim. Decide what you want to, I'm easy with it.

So you can't name even one of he alleged books you've written?  Hmmm... can't guess why not LOL.

This is not the first time your juvenile lies have caught you out sceptimatic... "denpressure", thirteen academic qualifications, research scientist, inventor, holder of numerous patents, North Korean government friend, fabulously wealthy, world traveller, helicopter pilot, secret missions to Antarctica etc etc etc.

—Keep up the good work my friend.  The laughs are more than worth the pain.   ;D


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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #793 on: October 17, 2014, 06:59:15 AM »
So you can't name even one of he alleged books you've written?  Hmmm... can't guess why not LOL.
I can name them all. You appear to believe that you count for some reason.
This is not the first time your juvenile lies have caught you out sceptimatic... "denpressure",
What about it? it hasn't been proved wrong, just ranted about.
thirteen academic qualifications,
I don't recall saying that. I did say 13 and that's all I said.
 
research scientist,
Prove the contrary.
inventor,
Prove I'm not.
 
holder of numerous patents,
Prove I don't.
 
North Korean government friend,
Who said that?
fabulously wealthy,
I have plenty, do you have proof to the contrary?
world traveller,
Prove otherwise.
helicopter pilot,
Prove otherwise.
secret missions to Antarctica etc etc etc.
Prove otherwise.
—Keep up the good work my friend.  The laughs are more than worth the pain.   ;D
[/quote]I will. also, if you can't come back with proof of any of the above, I suggest you zip it, Geoffrey before you get frustrated.  ;D

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #794 on: October 17, 2014, 09:17:03 AM »

AA. I note that you also claim that SSPA Marin AB Gothenburg, the Maritime Research Institute Netherlands (MARIN) Holland, and the University of Strathclyde, Scotland are also party to fraudulent reporting relating to the Estonia sinking study 2005-2008.

So... at the same time as you're making these unfounded allegations against four accredited establishments, you're claiming that Buzz Aldrin is a fraud?

BB. —Seems extremely unlikely to me, particularly as you lack any viable evidence for your claims against Aldrin.

I'm not sure why you're so "proud" of your CV.   

CC. The United States Coast Guard does not allow your big deal Coulombi Egg Tanker to enter US waters, effectively preventing it from even being built LOL.

Thanks for noting something.

AA. Off topic! My allegations against the named institutions are based on the Principle of Archimedes. One institution threatened to sue me in court but ... never did. Because it would have lost.

BB. That Buzz is a fraud (TOPIC) is shown at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . No big deal.

CC. All UN countries in the world approved 1997 my innovative seagoing oil tanker design that spills less oil in all accidents than any other design. After the decision was made, USA informed the United Nations International Maritime Organization that USA did not agree with the decision and that such tankers could not enter US ports (except some offshore bouys far away from the coast), blah, blah.

USA or the US Congress had then to produce national laws against the international laws adopting my design, etc, etc. The matter was discussed in the US Congress. I was asked to attend. It was a US mess or fuck up as usual. I just made a statement. See ISBN 0-16-056162-0 page 160.

Reason why my design was disallowed in USA is simple. I didn't pay up!

Why should I pay? More fun was to see USA lowering its pants ...

Many persons ask me why I am anti-American. I just refer to what I saw above.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #795 on: October 17, 2014, 11:14:05 AM »
So you can't name even one of he alleged books you've written?  Hmmm... can't guess why not LOL.
I can name them all. You appear to believe that you count for some reason.
This is not the first time your juvenile lies have caught you out sceptimatic... "denpressure",
What about it? it hasn't been proved wrong, just ranted about.
thirteen academic qualifications,
I don't recall saying that. I did say 13 and that's all I said.
 
research scientist,
Prove the contrary.
inventor,
Prove I'm not.
 
holder of numerous patents,
Prove I don't.
 
North Korean government friend,
Who said that?
fabulously wealthy,
I have plenty, do you have proof to the contrary?
world traveller,
Prove otherwise.
helicopter pilot,
Prove otherwise.
secret missions to Antarctica etc etc etc.
Prove otherwise.
—Keep up the good work my friend.  The laughs are more than worth the pain.   ;D
I will. also, if you can't come back with proof of any of the above, I suggest you zip it, Geoffrey before you get frustrated.  ;D
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Scepti, if you're fabulously wealthy, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove RE wrong??? It isn't that hard. I would expect that if you were sincere, you'd find out that you were wrong all this time when your high-altitude balloon-mounted camera proves that there is a round earth in space. 'Smatter??? Afraid to do a simple experiment?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #796 on: October 17, 2014, 12:01:25 PM »
Scepti, if you're fabulously wealthy, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove RE wrong??? It isn't that hard. I would expect that if you were sincere, you'd find out that you were wrong all this time when your high-altitude balloon-mounted camera proves that there is a round earth in space. 'Smatter??? Afraid to do a simple experiment?
First of all, you need to stop taking notice of Geoffrey and just blindly believing his crap.
I'm wealthy, not fabulously wealthy, whatever that actually means.
Anyway, I'm not here to boast about my cars, boats, private airplane, motor homes and 238 properties all over the world or anything, so let's leave wealth out of this, because you have to take certain things with a serious pinch of salt and not dwell on things. Why? ...because it shows you up for the gullible person that you are and also rubberstanps what I've been telling you and your global Earth friends all along. Stop buying into anything you're told until you have definitive proof.

I could be sat here in my underpants with a greasy mop of long hair with gravy stains on my string vest just telling you I'm well off. Think about that.

Now let's get back to that balloon thing.
How many times has it been shown on science programmes when someone has mentioned a satellite or whatever in low Earth orbit, as they bullshit us?
They get out a big ball and a tiny kinder egg type toy, then sit that toy a few millimetres above the massive ball. Now imagine you getting shrunk down and put into this kinder egg sized toy to look down at the ball. Are you seriously...and I mean, seriously telling me that you could look down at that ball and tell what the hell it is you were above?
Impossible.

And yet people talk about silly helium balloons going up about 70/80,000 feet and claiming not only to see that the Earth is a globe but actually seeing the full frigging globe. Hahahahaha.
It's so nonsensical and yet you people hang onto it like limpets.

Let me tell you something right now and I'm serious. If you were serious about Earth being a globe and so sure that the people you are arguing with are retarded/nutty/wind up merchants...anything but genuine...you would be on another site, unless you feel some kind of comfort typing away with other like-minded people, knowing that they are your friends because they think the flat Earth believers are nuts as well.

Basically there's no reason for you to be here other than that....unless you are curious about Earth and want to find the truth but daren't come out and say that, because you know the second you look interested, you will be jumped on. I think that goes for 60% of you, with 30% just after a few digs until they get bored and 10% pure shills, paid or unpaid.

As for experiments: I done an experiment to prove that centrifugal centripetal force is due to atmospheric pressure.
I've done quite a few. The problem is, you discard them without doing them yourself when they are simple to do and not expensive as long as you have a vacuum chamber.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #797 on: October 17, 2014, 01:15:26 PM »
Scepti, if you're fabulously wealthy, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove RE wrong??? It isn't that hard. I would expect that if you were sincere, you'd find out that you were wrong all this time when your high-altitude balloon-mounted camera proves that there is a round earth in space. 'Smatter??? Afraid to do a simple experiment?
First of all, you need to stop taking notice of Geoffrey and just blindly believing his crap.
I'm wealthy, not fabulously wealthy, whatever that actually means.
Anyway, I'm not here to boast about my cars, boats, private airplane, motor homes and 238 properties all over the world or anything, so let's leave wealth out of this, because you have to take certain things with a serious pinch of salt and not dwell on things. Why? ...because it shows you up for the gullible person that you are and also rubberstanps what I've been telling you and your global Earth friends all along. Stop buying into anything you're told until you have definitive proof.

I could be sat here in my underpants with a greasy mop of long hair with gravy stains on my string vest just telling you I'm well off. Think about that.

Now let's get back to that balloon thing.
How many times has it been shown on science programmes when someone has mentioned a satellite or whatever in low Earth orbit, as they bullshit us?
They get out a big ball and a tiny kinder egg type toy, then sit that toy a few millimetres above the massive ball. Now imagine you getting shrunk down and put into this kinder egg sized toy to look down at the ball. Are you seriously...and I mean, seriously telling me that you could look down at that ball and tell what the hell it is you were above?
Impossible.

And yet people talk about silly helium balloons going up about 70/80,000 feet and claiming not only to see that the Earth is a globe but actually seeing the full frigging globe. Hahahahaha.
It's so nonsensical and yet you people hang onto it like limpets.

Let me tell you something right now and I'm serious. If you were serious about Earth being a globe and so sure that the people you are arguing with are retarded/nutty/wind up merchants...anything but genuine...you would be on another site, unless you feel some kind of comfort typing away with other like-minded people, knowing that they are your friends because they think the flat Earth believers are nuts as well.

Basically there's no reason for you to be here other than that....unless you are curious about Earth and want to find the truth but daren't come out and say that, because you know the second you look interested, you will be jumped on. I think that goes for 60% of you, with 30% just after a few digs until they get bored and 10% pure shills, paid or unpaid.

As for experiments: I done an experiment to prove that centrifugal centripetal force is due to atmospheric pressure.
I've done quite a few. The problem is, you discard them without doing them yourself when they are simple to do and not expensive as long as you have a vacuum chamber.

I was curious about the earth and learned all I need to know. I have no reason to question RE/space travel/grand universe and all that; I'm just here to try to understand why some people (like you) never got past a flat earth, which to me was a childhood belief. Us grown-ups have seen enough to accept the majority model. Conspiracy. Right. Now, about aliens, THAT'S a conspiracy. I'm sure the govt. knows more than it pretends to. But RE, etc. is way too big and broadly accepted to be a conspiracy. Plus, why NOT have satellites and a space station orbiting the earth and space ships going to the moon, Mars and beyond? Makes sense to me.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #798 on: October 17, 2014, 06:48:18 PM »
Scepti, if you're fabulously wealthy, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove RE wrong??? It isn't that hard. I would expect that if you were sincere, you'd find out that you were wrong all this time when your high-altitude balloon-mounted camera proves that there is a round earth in space. 'Smatter??? Afraid to do a simple experiment?
First of all, you need to stop taking notice of Geoffrey and just blindly believing his crap.
How many times has it been shown on science programmes when someone has mentioned a satellite or whatever in low Earth orbit, as they bullshit us?
They get out a big ball and a tiny kinder egg type toy, then sit that toy a few millimetres above the massive ball. Now imagine you getting shrunk down and put into this kinder egg sized toy to look down at the ball. Are you seriously...and I mean, seriously telling me that you could look down at that ball and tell what the hell it is you were above?
Impossible.

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Additionally, we cannot entirely rule out the nefarious effects of demons, spirits, gnomes, and wizards on our society's ability to comprehend our flat earth as it really is. 

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #799 on: October 18, 2014, 05:18:01 AM »

I think by now we can all safely assume one of two things:

•  sceptimatic is totally but involuntarily delusional and/or suffering from some sort of as-yet undiagnosed mental dysfunction;
•  sceptimatic is nothing more than a major and persistent troll.

I claim the former because I just can't accept that any rational human being living in the 21st century could be so ignorant of all the contemporary sciences.

And I claim the latter simply on the basis that sceptimatic now claims to own "238 properties all over the world".

Ultimately, I'm not sure as to why his claims of being wealthy, owning numerous "cars, boats, private airplanes, motor homes" etc has to do with actually providing any viable evidence that he knows anything at all about Buzz Aldrin the astronaut, Aldrin's space missions, or Aldrin's current state of mind.  sceptimatic seems to think that repeatedly claiming to have 13 academic qualifications, to have written many books and hold numerous patents, and be a scientific researcher and world-renowned inventor precludes the validity of any other opinions apart from his own.

It's also embarrassingly obvious that sceptimatic can't or won't name even one of his alleged books, one of his alleged patents, or one of his alleged 13 qualifications.  Naming any of these of course would put paid to our claims that he's a fraud once and for all.  But I guess it's difficult to post "evidence" that you don't possess LOL.

If it comes down to a choice of Buzz Aldrin or sceptimatic being brainwashed, then sceptimatic wins the prize hands down.    ;D


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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #800 on: October 18, 2014, 05:23:31 AM »
I was curious about the earth and learned all I need to know.
You learned all you need to know? That stinks of brainwashed and gullibility.
I have no reason to question RE/space travel/grand universe and all that.
No, because you're fully indoctrinated. Brainwashed to hypnotised standards. It's sad but it's your life.
I'm just here to try to understand why some people (like you) never got past a flat earth, which to me was a childhood belief.
But my childhood belief was the one you are promoting now. I've now rid myself of that indoctrination and brainwashing to actually start thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly in whatever case I look at. The story writers can gain a captive audience - it doesn't make their stories true.

 
Us grown-ups have seen enough to accept the majority model.

Correct, you are a grown up has embraced the fact that it's more comfortable accepting the majority view, because it only requires you to follow, not think.
Conspiracy. Right. Now, about aliens, THAT'S a conspiracy. I'm sure the govt. knows more than it pretends to.
Does it? are you questioning the government? are you of a belief that they are not being truthful?
But RE, etc. is way too big and broadly accepted to be a conspiracy.
Way too big in what? majority?
 Plus, why NOT have satellites and a space station orbiting the earth and space ships going to the moon, Mars and beyond? Makes sense to me.
[/quote]It makes sense because you have been programmed for it to make sense.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #801 on: October 18, 2014, 05:27:12 AM »

I think by now we can all safely assume one of two things:

•  sceptimatic is totally but involuntarily delusional and/or suffering from some sort of as-yet undiagnosed mental dysfunction;
•  sceptimatic is nothing more than a major and persistent troll.

I claim the former because I just can't accept that any rational human being living in the 21st century could be so ignorant of all the contemporary sciences.

And I claim the latter simply on the basis that sceptimatic now claims to own "238 properties all over the world".

Ultimately, I'm not sure as to why his claims of being wealthy, owning numerous "cars, boats, private airplanes, motor homes" etc has to do with actually providing any viable evidence that he knows anything at all about Buzz Aldrin the astronaut, Aldrin's space missions, or Aldrin's current state of mind.  sceptimatic seems to think that repeatedly claiming to have 13 academic qualifications, to have written many books and hold numerous patents, and be a scientific researcher and world-renowned inventor precludes the validity of any other opinions apart from his own.

It's also embarrassingly obvious that sceptimatic can't or won't name even one of his alleged books, one of his alleged patents, or one of his alleged 13 qualifications.  Naming any of these of course would put paid to our claims that he's a fraud once and for all.  But I guess it's difficult to post "evidence" that you don't possess LOL.

If it comes down to a choice of Buzz Aldrin or sceptimatic being brainwashed, then sceptimatic wins the prize hands down.    ;D
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #802 on: October 18, 2014, 05:34:54 AM »
Septic its lunch time at your place. real cloudy, wind from the south. Satellite told me. See you are now a hidden user, is that a bit like a junkie or do you hide to eat your flat cookies.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #803 on: October 18, 2014, 05:45:00 AM »
I was curious about the earth and learned all I need to know.
You learned all you need to know? That stinks of brainwashed and gullibility.
I have no reason to question RE/space travel/grand universe and all that.
No, because you're fully indoctrinated. Brainwashed to hypnotised standards. It's sad but it's your life.
I'm just here to try to understand why some people (like you) never got past a flat earth, which to me was a childhood belief.
But my childhood belief was the one you are promoting now. I've now rid myself of that indoctrination and brainwashing to actually start thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly in whatever case I look at. The story writers can gain a captive audience - it doesn't make their stories true.

 
Us grown-ups have seen enough to accept the majority model.

Correct, you are a grown up has embraced the fact that it's more comfortable accepting the majority view, because it only requires you to follow, not think.
Conspiracy. Right. Now, about aliens, THAT'S a conspiracy. I'm sure the govt. knows more than it pretends to.
Does it? are you questioning the government? are you of a belief that they are not being truthful?
But RE, etc. is way too big and broadly accepted to be a conspiracy.
Way too big in what? majority?
 Plus, why NOT have satellites and a space station orbiting the earth and space ships going to the moon, Mars and beyond? Makes sense to me.
It makes sense because you have been programmed for it to make sense.
[/quote]Because satellites actuaĺly work for communications.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #804 on: October 18, 2014, 06:28:00 AM »
When you think about it; Buzz punched Bart Sibrel in the face when Sibrel asked him to swear on the bible, then called him a liar.
Put yourself in Buzz's position and knowing that you really went to the moon. If that was me, I'd have said quite a few things to Sibrel rather than punch him.

1: I'd have said to Sibrel, " pay $10,000 to charity and I'll swear on your bible."

2: I'd have took him to court on defamation of character charges, as well as stalking. Why didn't Aldrin?

3: I'd have gladly sat down and gave him a full interview, subject to being allowed to talk about it by authority, which there would be no reason not to...but I would have demanded a decent fee.

Any question asked of me, I'd have been only to happy to answer for a fee. If It was interrogation by Sibrel, I'd ask for a higher fee and be absolutely happy to answer all questions in the knowledge that I have nothing to hide.

Aldrin could have took all avenues, yet he chose to lash out.
Nobody is going to tell me that those so called astronauts weren't prepared for the adulation and the scrutinisation by sceptics.
If they were truthful, they could embrace it all in full confidence, yet none of them ever did.

When Sibrel showed the video of the Earth stuck to a window with all the anomalies, to Edgar Mitchell; Mitchell got angry and chased Sibrel out of his home. Mitchell's son then said to his dad, "shall I call the CIA and have them waxed."
Who in the hell would believe they could call the CIA over an interview with a reporter. Why didn't he say, " shall I call the police and have them investigate this."...?

If anyone hasn't seen 'astronauts gone wild, I suggest you look it up and see these bozo's in action. Astronauts, my arse.

Armstrong is probably the smoking gun in all this. A seemingly fearless pilot and test pilot of all kinds of craft and yet after the supposed mission to the moon, he goes all introvert and reclusive, yet at the times he is possibly made to talk, he basically uses cryptic speech - potentially in the knowledge that switched on people out there will decipher what he's saying without it being too obvious to those stood around him at the time.
I think this man was suffering from severe depression brought on by the very fact that he's had to carry this lie for all those years. His life must have been a living hell in terms of thought, because this man, out of all of them was a man that gained a conscience, fully (in my opinion) and knew that, in time, people would catch on, that he didn't do what was claimed.

Any person with a reasonable amount of common sense and logic who are open minded enough, can see there is something seriously wrong with his stance on this.

I think I can speak for just about everyone on here. If that was me coming back from the moon, I would be begging for people to ask me about it - infact I wouldn't need prompting. I'd live off the fame and adulation.
One thing I would not do, is have a post mission conference and act like someone's implanted a head exploding charge in my neck in case I speak out of term, because Armstrong especially, displayed not only speech nerves - he displayed serious duress, in fact, a mild terror.

Aldrin wasn't quite as bad but displayed what can be described as a nervous shame, whilst Collins looked like a lost boy, who displayed fidgeting properties, then makes the massive error of piping in under nervousness of his script, after Armstrong was asked by a young Patrick Moore, " when you looked up at the sky, could you see the stars in the solar corona, inspite of the glare. To which Armstrong replied, " I couldn't see the stars in (nervous pause) the soNar coroLa by eye without using the optics???...to which Collins pipes up with, " I don't remember seeing any."
This clown wasn't even on the moon, he was supposedly sitting in a command module orbiting it and he doesn't remember seeing any stars???

What the hell does it need for ordinary people to frigging wake up and see this charade for what it was and still is to this day?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #805 on: October 18, 2014, 06:37:58 AM »
Found a video of two flat earthers doing the Buzz dance.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #806 on: October 18, 2014, 06:42:02 AM »
When you think about it; Buzz punched Bart Sibrel in the face when Sibrel asked him to swear on the bible, then called him a liar.
Put yourself in Buzz's position and knowing that you really went to the moon. If that was me, I'd have said quite a few things to Sibrel rather than punch him.

1: I'd have said to Sibrel, " pay $10,000 to charity and I'll swear on your bible."

2: I'd have took him to court on defamation of character charges, as well as stalking. Why didn't Aldrin?

3: I'd have gladly sat down and gave him a full interview, subject to being allowed to talk about it by authority, which there would be no reason not to...but I would have demanded a decent fee.

Any question asked of me, I'd have been only to happy to answer for a fee. If It was interrogation by Sibrel, I'd ask for a higher fee and be absolutely happy to answer all questions in the knowledge that I have nothing to hide.

Aldrin could have took all avenues, yet he chose to lash out.
Nobody is going to tell me that those so called astronauts weren't prepared for the adulation and the scrutinisation by sceptics.
If they were truthful, they could embrace it all in full confidence, yet none of them ever did.

When Sibrel showed the video of the Earth stuck to a window with all the anomalies, to Edgar Mitchell; Mitchell got angry and chased Sibrel out of his home. Mitchell's son then said to his dad, "shall I call the CIA and have them waxed."
Who in the hell would believe they could call the CIA over an interview with a reporter. Why didn't he say, " shall I call the police and have them investigate this."...?

If anyone hasn't seen 'astronauts gone wild, I suggest you look it up and see these bozo's in action. Astronauts, my arse.

Armstrong is probably the smoking gun in all this. A seemingly fearless pilot and test pilot of all kinds of craft and yet after the supposed mission to the moon, he goes all introvert and reclusive, yet at the times he is possibly made to talk, he basically uses cryptic speech - potentially in the knowledge that switched on people out there will decipher what he's saying without it being too obvious to those stood around him at the time.
I think this man was suffering from severe depression brought on by the very fact that he's had to carry this lie for all those years. His life must have been a living hell in terms of thought, because this man, out of all of them was a man that gained a conscience, fully (in my opinion) and knew that, in time, people would catch on, that he didn't do what was claimed.

Any person with a reasonable amount of common sense and logic who are open minded enough, can see there is something seriously wrong with his stance on this.

I think I can speak for just about everyone on here. If that was me coming back from the moon, I would be begging for people to ask me about it - infact I wouldn't need prompting. I'd live off the fame and adulation.
One thing I would not do, is have a post mission conference and act like someone's implanted a head exploding charge in my neck in case I speak out of term, because Armstrong especially, displayed not only speech nerves - he displayed serious duress, in fact, a mild terror.

Aldrin wasn't quite as bad but displayed what can be described as a nervous shame, whilst Collins looked like a lost boy, who displayed fidgeting properties, then makes the massive error of piping in under nervousness of his script, after Armstrong was asked by a young Patrick Moore, " when you looked up at the sky, could you see the stars in the solar corona, inspite of the glare. To which Armstrong replied, " I couldn't see the stars in (nervous pause) the soNar coroLa by eye without using the optics???...to which Collins pipes up with, " I don't remember seeing any."
This clown wasn't even on the moon, he was supposedly sitting in a command module orbiting it and he doesn't remember seeing any stars???

What the hell does it need for ordinary people to frigging wake up and see this charade for what it was and still is to this day?
People react differently when put in the same situation.  If someone cut in front of you in line.  Oh sorry, what if, can't forget the what, might confuse you.  What if someone cut in front of you in line.  You might tap the guy on the shoulder and politely ask him to go to the end of the line.  Others might not say a word.  While still others just might clock the guy.  Saying that someone should have acted a certain way is not proof or even evidence of lying. 

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #807 on: October 18, 2014, 06:48:04 AM »
When you think about it; Buzz punched Bart Sibrel in the face when Sibrel asked him to swear on the bible, then called him a liar.
Put yourself in Buzz's position and knowing that you really went to the moon. If that was me, I'd have said quite a few things to Sibrel rather than punch him.

1: I'd have said to Sibrel, " pay $10,000 to charity and I'll swear on your bible."

2: I'd have took him to court on defamation of character charges, as well as stalking. Why didn't Aldrin?

3: I'd have gladly sat down and gave him a full interview, subject to being allowed to talk about it by authority, which there would be no reason not to...but I would have demanded a decent fee.

Any question asked of me, I'd have been only to happy to answer for a fee. If It was interrogation by Sibrel, I'd ask for a higher fee and be absolutely happy to answer all questions in the knowledge that I have nothing to hide.

Aldrin could have took all avenues, yet he chose to lash out.
Nobody is going to tell me that those so called astronauts weren't prepared for the adulation and the scrutinisation by sceptics.
If they were truthful, they could embrace it all in full confidence, yet none of them ever did.

When Sibrel showed the video of the Earth stuck to a window with all the anomalies, to Edgar Mitchell; Mitchell got angry and chased Sibrel out of his home. Mitchell's son then said to his dad, "shall I call the CIA and have them waxed."
Who in the hell would believe they could call the CIA over an interview with a reporter. Why didn't he say, " shall I call the police and have them investigate this."...?

If anyone hasn't seen 'astronauts gone wild, I suggest you look it up and see these bozo's in action. Astronauts, my arse.

Armstrong is probably the smoking gun in all this. A seemingly fearless pilot and test pilot of all kinds of craft and yet after the supposed mission to the moon, he goes all introvert and reclusive, yet at the times he is possibly made to talk, he basically uses cryptic speech - potentially in the knowledge that switched on people out there will decipher what he's saying without it being too obvious to those stood around him at the time.
I think this man was suffering from severe depression brought on by the very fact that he's had to carry this lie for all those years. His life must have been a living hell in terms of thought, because this man, out of all of them was a man that gained a conscience, fully (in my opinion) and knew that, in time, people would catch on, that he didn't do what was claimed.

Any person with a reasonable amount of common sense and logic who are open minded enough, can see there is something seriously wrong with his stance on this.

I think I can speak for just about everyone on here. If that was me coming back from the moon, I would be begging for people to ask me about it - infact I wouldn't need prompting. I'd live off the fame and adulation.
One thing I would not do, is have a post mission conference and act like someone's implanted a head exploding charge in my neck in case I speak out of term, because Armstrong especially, displayed not only speech nerves - he displayed serious duress, in fact, a mild terror.

Aldrin wasn't quite as bad but displayed what can be described as a nervous shame, whilst Collins looked like a lost boy, who displayed fidgeting properties, then makes the massive error of piping in under nervousness of his script, after Armstrong was asked by a young Patrick Moore, " when you looked up at the sky, could you see the stars in the solar corona, inspite of the glare. To which Armstrong replied, " I couldn't see the stars in (nervous pause) the soNar coroLa by eye without using the optics???...to which Collins pipes up with, " I don't remember seeing any."
This clown wasn't even on the moon, he was supposedly sitting in a command module orbiting it and he doesn't remember seeing any stars???

What the hell does it need for ordinary people to frigging wake up and see this charade for what it was and still is to this day?
People react differently when put in the same situation.  If someone cut in front of you in line.  Oh sorry, what if, can't forget the what, might confuse you.  What if someone cut in front of you in line.  You might tap the guy on the shoulder and politely ask him to go to the end of the line.  Others might not say a word.  While still others just might clock the guy.  Saying that someone should have acted a certain way is not proof or even evidence of lying.
It might be best that you try again and try and use a scenario where it actually fits what I've just said.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #808 on: October 18, 2014, 06:49:49 AM »
When you think about it; Buzz punched Bart Sibrel in the face when Sibrel asked him to swear on the bible, then called him a liar.

I must admit, I do have a problem with this.  He should definitely have kicked him in the nuts first, then punched him.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #809 on: October 18, 2014, 07:00:13 AM »
When you think about it; Buzz punched Bart Sibrel in the face when Sibrel asked him to swear on the bible, then called him a liar.
Put yourself in Buzz's position and knowing that you really went to the moon. If that was me, I'd have said quite a few things to Sibrel rather than punch him.

1: I'd have said to Sibrel, " pay $10,000 to charity and I'll swear on your bible."

2: I'd have took him to court on defamation of character charges, as well as stalking. Why didn't Aldrin?

3: I'd have gladly sat down and gave him a full interview, subject to being allowed to talk about it by authority, which there would be no reason not to...but I would have demanded a decent fee.

Any question asked of me, I'd have been only to happy to answer for a fee. If It was interrogation by Sibrel, I'd ask for a higher fee and be absolutely happy to answer all questions in the knowledge that I have nothing to hide.

Aldrin could have took all avenues, yet he chose to lash out.
Nobody is going to tell me that those so called astronauts weren't prepared for the adulation and the scrutinisation by sceptics.
If they were truthful, they could embrace it all in full confidence, yet none of them ever did.

When Sibrel showed the video of the Earth stuck to a window with all the anomalies, to Edgar Mitchell; Mitchell got angry and chased Sibrel out of his home. Mitchell's son then said to his dad, "shall I call the CIA and have them waxed."
Who in the hell would believe they could call the CIA over an interview with a reporter. Why didn't he say, " shall I call the police and have them investigate this."...?

If anyone hasn't seen 'astronauts gone wild, I suggest you look it up and see these bozo's in action. Astronauts, my arse.

Armstrong is probably the smoking gun in all this. A seemingly fearless pilot and test pilot of all kinds of craft and yet after the supposed mission to the moon, he goes all introvert and reclusive, yet at the times he is possibly made to talk, he basically uses cryptic speech - potentially in the knowledge that switched on people out there will decipher what he's saying without it being too obvious to those stood around him at the time.
I think this man was suffering from severe depression brought on by the very fact that he's had to carry this lie for all those years. His life must have been a living hell in terms of thought, because this man, out of all of them was a man that gained a conscience, fully (in my opinion) and knew that, in time, people would catch on, that he didn't do what was claimed.

Any person with a reasonable amount of common sense and logic who are open minded enough, can see there is something seriously wrong with his stance on this.

I think I can speak for just about everyone on here. If that was me coming back from the moon, I would be begging for people to ask me about it - infact I wouldn't need prompting. I'd live off the fame and adulation.
One thing I would not do, is have a post mission conference and act like someone's implanted a head exploding charge in my neck in case I speak out of term, because Armstrong especially, displayed not only speech nerves - he displayed serious duress, in fact, a mild terror.

Aldrin wasn't quite as bad but displayed what can be described as a nervous shame, whilst Collins looked like a lost boy, who displayed fidgeting properties, then makes the massive error of piping in under nervousness of his script, after Armstrong was asked by a young Patrick Moore, " when you looked up at the sky, could you see the stars in the solar corona, inspite of the glare. To which Armstrong replied, " I couldn't see the stars in (nervous pause) the soNar coroLa by eye without using the optics???...to which Collins pipes up with, " I don't remember seeing any."
This clown wasn't even on the moon, he was supposedly sitting in a command module orbiting it and he doesn't remember seeing any stars???

What the hell does it need for ordinary people to frigging wake up and see this charade for what it was and still is to this day?
People react differently when put in the same situation.  If someone cut in front of you in line.  Oh sorry, what if, can't forget the what, might confuse you.  What if someone cut in front of you in line.  You might tap the guy on the shoulder and politely ask him to go to the end of the line.  Others might not say a word.  While still others just might clock the guy.  Saying that someone should have acted a certain way is not proof or even evidence of lying.
It might be best that you try again and try and use a scenario where it actually fits what I've just said.
OK, what if this guy is just following you around all day long.  He is a known antagonist.  He won't get his camera out of you face no matter how many times you ask him to.  Would you sit down with the guy AGAIN after being ambushed once?