Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

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Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« on: May 20, 2014, 11:06:25 PM »
I'm sure you can all agree that sunsets are truly lovely features of every single day. That bright orange disk disappearing below the horizon, and the sky lighting up with beautiful vivid colours.


Lovely jubbley.

But wait a minute, what's that? It looks an awful lot like the clouds are being lit from underneath. The dark parts are on top! Time to go on a journey.

Sure..so?
Well, the majority of flat Earth models presume that the Sun remains a roughly constant height of about 3000 miles above the surface of the Earth, and above those pesky clouds too. Bring on the diagrams!


Let's start at the basics - somebody standing at A sees midday and somebody at B a sunset. How does B see a sunset? Well according to FE theory, the light bends. Let's track some of it.


We can satisfy the person at A and the person at B by adding light which bends. B can't see the bottom half of the sun because the light coming from it bent downwards and didn't quite reach B. So far so good. Let's try lighting those clouds next.


Hmm. Something's not quite right here. Light appears to be doing something very special just for our clouds! Let's try something else.


A reflection - That's a little better. But why's that line all dottey? Well, that cloud at the front is blocking the light from getting through. If it was a reflection, we should see see large unlit regions where the light is being blocked by other clouds. Rain clouds would be lit underneath too. Let's look at that first image again.


Hmm, nope - it's not a reflection either. It's very overcast in this image yet we're still seeing it lit loud and clear. If it was a reflection, they would be lit from underneath during the day too. So, we must've done something else wrong. Bendy light, maybe?


Ah yes of course; light must be travelling straight even over long distances. Ironically thanks to those clouds, we can see exactly where the light is heading. But that leaves us with a problem though - we made an assumption that light bends. Back we go!


Without bendy light, we can't make midday A and sunset B happy in these positions. Hmm. Time to gather up some facts.

- We know for sure that midday and a sunset happen at the same time.
- We know for sure that clouds are lit from underneath during a sunset.
- We know for sure that clouds are lit from the top during the day. Rain clouds are always dark underneath in the day.
- We know for sure that light travels straight, even over the sorts of distances we're looking at here.

We need a model that fits to all of this, so stand by for some shuffling around!


Zestylicious! We have straight rays as seen by C, clouds lit from underneath, clouds lit from the top, midday and sunset at the same time - it's all fitting just right.

But, of course, there's a catch! Can any Flat Earth satisfy all of these in one diagram too?

Can't draw on a computer? That's fine!

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 11:16:55 PM »
And yes, I'm aware that my drawing skills are wonderful enough to turn the sun into a 1emon, hehe, whoops :) (it seems 1emon becomes "lime" on this forum!)

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 11:51:57 PM »
Lemon.  What do you mean it turns to lime?

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LukeB

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2014, 12:00:20 AM »
lime maybe it's a lowercase only thing?

Edit: Nope - "1emon" (with an L of course) in a post, upper or lowercase, becomes lime.
Edit again: Maybe it's a new account thing? Has nobody spotted this before? :P
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 12:14:22 AM »
LEMON lemon Lemon lEMON LeMoN

I don't know what you are doing wrong.  Have you tried it in the Quick Reply box?

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2014, 12:32:47 AM »
Moved the post that was here to a dedicated thread: Limes and 1emons!

Back on topic :)
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 01:15:30 AM »
Clouds being lit from the bottom is simply an optical illusion caused by diffusion of sunlight as it passes through the clouds.  Notice how in your first photo, not all of the clouds appear the be lit from the bottom.  Those are simply too dense to allow light to pass through them, so they appear to be black.  The same clouds, when viewed earlier in the day, would have probably appeared white.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2014, 01:26:05 AM »
Clouds being lit from the bottom is simply an optical illusion caused by diffusion of sunlight as it passes through the clouds.  Notice how in your first photo, not all of the clouds appear the be lit from the bottom.  Those are simply too dense to allow light to pass through them, so they appear to be black.  The same clouds, when viewed earlier in the day, would have probably appeared white.

For clarity/ anybody following the thread, this one:


The darker areas look very much like the side of the cloud facing the camera - the top left area of the image makes that most clear. Do you have an experiment/ diagram which shows the effect you describe? i.e. Only the underside appearing very bright with a top-down lightsource.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2014, 01:45:16 AM »
Here you go.



The sun is obviously behind these clouds, yet some of them appear to glow quite brightly.  Also, notice that some of the clouds appear to be dark.  These clouds are more dense than the others. 

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2014, 01:52:17 AM »
Here you go.



The sun is obviously behind these clouds, yet some of them appear to glow quite brightly.  Also, notice that some of the clouds appear to be dark.  These clouds are more dense than the others.
I agree that they appear to be glowing, but their glowing around the edges (as the edges are the thinnest part, so let more light through of course) - the middle of the clouds are dark. If your notion is correct, it should be the other way around; the middle of the clouds from the cameras point of view should be brightly lit (i.e. the "underside" should be lit from the suns point of view; here it's dark). We can also see the "god rays" in your image which suggest that light travels straight.
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2014, 02:02:27 AM »
Here's another example - this one is very clearly lit from underneath. We have a good view of the side and it's very dark:


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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2014, 02:20:49 AM »
The cloud is very thick in the horizontal direction and thin in the vertical direction.  Of course the sides would be dark.  They would even appear dark if the picture had been taken several hours ago. 

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2014, 03:39:51 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2014, 04:44:05 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2014, 04:51:40 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
If you be good for a while, I will do that, just for you crabbeter.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2014, 05:34:07 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
If you be good for a while, I will do that, just for you crabbeter.
Then put on a science forum for comments.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2014, 05:36:48 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
If you be good for a while, I will do that, just for you crabbeter.
Then put on a science forum for comments.
What science forum would this be then?


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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2014, 05:38:19 AM »
I thought this was a science forum. 

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sceptimatic

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2014, 05:41:08 AM »
I thought this was a science forum.
I think what he means is, for me to go to a science forum so they can ban me when I don't back down.
They hate this forum because it allows people to think their theories.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2014, 05:45:34 AM »
If they ban you for posting the truth, then there is no hope left.

Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2014, 06:12:52 AM »
whats real and not real, like everything is fake made from fake things of a real source, clouds are elves on rain bicycles.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2014, 06:15:46 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
If you be good for a while, I will do that, just for you crabbeter.
No you won't.  If you could draw a diagram of it, you would have already.

You know your "model" is hilariously broken.
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2014, 06:21:42 AM »
Water will do an exceptional job of illuminating under clouds.
Why don't you draw us a diagram showing how the suns works on your "ice dome" model?

You've been promising to for years.
If you be good for a while, I will do that, just for you crabbeter.
No you won't.  If you could draw a diagram of it, you would have already.

You know your "model" is hilariously broken.
I'll have to sketch it by hand because doing it in paint wouldn't show it u-p well enough.
Be patient and I'll do one. Just be good.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2014, 06:32:31 AM »
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I'll have to sketch it by hand because doing it in paint wouldn't show it u-p well enough.
What's wrong with your paint?  Did you break it?

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We await with bated breath.


Why don't you just come clean and admit it is impossible to do?  You will feel so much better with that weight off your shoulders.
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2014, 06:35:41 AM »
MS Paint works for crap on Linux. 

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 07:52:33 AM »


Draw time: 6 minutes.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 08:04:57 AM »
MS Paint works for crap on Linux.
I'm sure you are a GIMP

@LukeB - you are my favourite poster.  You win 2 internets.
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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2014, 08:11:18 AM »
MS Paint works for crap on Linux.
I'm sure you are a GIMP

@LukeB - you are my favourite poster.  You win 2 internets.
Haha thanks; Not just one but 2!?! I'm honoured :D Your posts are always awesome for a good lol - keep up the great work!



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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2014, 10:13:48 AM »
Read the FAQS.

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Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2014, 11:21:34 AM »


Draw time: 6 minutes.



Polite request for more productive posts please :) The post of mine quoted here was an attempt at trying to show how quick and easy drawing a diagram is; nobody is asking for a masterpiece - just a simple sketch that answers the question posed in the first post will be wonderful.

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