Foucault pendulums

Charles obviously doesn't understand that whatever "movement" in the theoretically rigid mounting point of the pendulum's supporting string there could be—and which would be measured by a micron or two—there'd be absolutely no observable and/or measurable effect on the pendulum's arc of swing relative to the earth.

He seems to think that the pendulum's point of suspension is gyrating wildly all over the place relative to the earth—which of course it isn't.  One of the major constraints of any Foucault pendulum experiment is that its point of suspension is fixed rigidly to the supporting structure, which in turn is affixed rigidly to the surface of the earth.

He's unaware that he's attempting to mount an argument that denies the veracity of an experiment that was first demonstrated more than 150 years ago, and has not once been shown to be flawed since that time.

I challenge Charles to cite one single accredited scientific paper that proposes that the Foucault pendulum mechanism is faulty in any way.  I need the name of the researcher, the date of his/her experiment, and the name of the paper publishing his/her results.

Further, if Charles is unable to provide this simple piece of evidence supporting his own claims, then I can only suggest that he's woefully and/or willfully ignorant of the actual mechanism and means of action of the pendulum—in which case he should probably cease and desist from commenting further about it.

You pick. At the same latitude, no matter the system used, the Foucault pendulum precesses at the same rate.

You can measure several hours of precession without anyone giving the bob a new push to keep it going and the results come out fine and of course it's degrees of rotation being measured, that's we'd expect to remain constant, the distance would only change because of the size of our pendulum.

But, let's try to keep this simple: can you say, plainly, why a pendulum I set swinging in the UK will always precess clockwise by about 12° each hour? And why one you set swinging in Australia will always precess anticlockwise by only 6 or 7° each hour?

Spoken like a true elitist Agenda bit of dog shit. So I have to find anther [sic] elitist bit of dog shit with a favourable opinion? Because my factual common bloke conclude [sic] results are not worthy & should be discarded.

What to you mean "start a pendulum to progress in the clockwise direction"? Do you mean precess? If so, how do you do that? If not, what do you mean by progress?

Is it really possible that after 34 excruciating pages, you still have no idea about how a Foucault pendulum is supposed to operate? Charles, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not this dense. I don't see how anyone could be. However the only other option I see is that you are taking the piss and wasting everyone's time. Do you even have the bollocks to admit to either one?

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 05, 2014, 05:47:44 PM

Spoken like a true elitist Agenda bit of dog shit. So I have to find anther [sic] elitist bit of dog shit with a favourable opinion? Because my factual common bloke conclude [sic] results are not worthy & should be discarded.

I must say you display a certain eloquence with the way you express your opinions Charles.  You may well find your somewhat bizarre ramblings considered more meaningfully if you cease using offensive language in every second comment you post here.  The use of gutter language may lead some to believe that's where your education took place.

And yes; most of your common-bloke conclusions do deserve to be ignored.  They're invariably incorrect, and do nothing more than further defocus the debate from its intended purpose.

I do have to admire your skill at crafting a truly good insult though Charles:  "a true elitist agenda bit of dog shit".  I don't have the faintest idea as to what it means exactly, but gee, it sure sounds nasty LOL.

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess?

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No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

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Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

Well yes. Yes it does. The conversation really stops here because apparently we disagree. So until you can provide some evidence to prove otherwise, you aren't convincing anybody by simply denying it.

Well no.No it doesn't & saying yes it does is nothing but shit talk by shit talkers.

That is exactly what we are all trying to get you to do. Cut the bullsh*t about "it is easily possible" and simply do this. And show us. You claim it can all be done in many ways. Like, recently, by some specific way of launching the pendulum swinging. I would absolutely love to see a video by you which would show an untouched(after launching) pendulum going two different ways in two different launches of the same set. A video either from the top or from the bottom would be perfect.

And by two different ways, I mean a slightly clockwise asteroid, and then a slightly counter-clockwise one. Not an ellipse, which can perfectly be done by launching the pendulum to the side, but which is not the matter in question.

By the way, yes, there is a way to fake this video pretty easily. Build the whole set on a motorised bearing which will slowly rotate it around the pendulum while filming.

Which, after some thinking, the round, spinning Earth exactly is...

What is incorrect in the historically traditional way of launching the ball by tying it to another, thin line, which is pulled to the side, tied to something else, and, after the set comes down to rest, burned through with a candle? The ball is released and free to swing on the main line. In this case you can not say that there was some initial "push" to the side. Such a set will always be exactly vertical, no matter how you want to make it.

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Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

Well yes. Yes it does. The conversation really stops here because apparently we disagree. So until you can provide some evidence to prove otherwise, you aren't convincing anybody by simply denying it.

Well no.No it doesn't & saying yes it does is nothing but shit talk by shit talkers.

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Quote from: rottingroom on July 07, 2014, 01:23:50 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 12:17:02 AM

Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

Well yes. Yes it does. The conversation really stops here because apparently we disagree. So until you can provide some evidence to prove otherwise, you aren't convincing anybody by simply denying it.

Well no.No it doesn't & saying yes it does is nothing but shit talk by shit talkers.

When you deny the facts presented by hundreds of experiments that are all in agreement, you actually do need a reason, unless you're fine with being perceived as nothing but a crank and/or an idiot.

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Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 01:37:58 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 07, 2014, 01:23:50 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 12:17:02 AM

Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

Well yes. Yes it does. The conversation really stops here because apparently we disagree. So until you can provide some evidence to prove otherwise, you aren't convincing anybody by simply denying it.

Well no.No it doesn't & saying yes it does is nothing but shit talk by shit talkers.

When you deny the facts presented by hundreds of experiments that are all in agreement, you actually do need a reason, unless you're fine with being perceived as nothing but a crank and/or an idiot.

The facts presented by a hundreds of experiments. Then you should have no problem in explaining your claim there's no torque being developed at the pivot point.

I will ask you to do the bearing test your self. Mount a bearing on a shaft & place it in the chuck of a drill press so the bearing rotates  horizontally, then attach your bob line to the outer circumference of the bearing. set the bob in motion & watch the bearing rotate back & forth.

I'm fine with being perceived as nothing but a crank and/or an idiot. Again please explain.

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 04:59:49 PM

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 07, 2014, 10:08:15 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 01:37:58 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 07, 2014, 01:23:50 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on July 07, 2014, 12:17:02 AM

Quote from: Goddamnit, Clown on July 06, 2014, 06:40:10 PM

No word on why these random irregularities with the pendulum would always cause it to precess the same way every time?

It doesn't precess the same way every time. Direction  is dependent on lean of vertical. Momentum & torque developed which is instigated by the  first swing of the pendulum.   

Well yes. Yes it does. The conversation really stops here because apparently we disagree. So until you can provide some evidence to prove otherwise, you aren't convincing anybody by simply denying it.

Well no.No it doesn't & saying yes it does is nothing but shit talk by shit talkers.

When you deny the facts presented by hundreds of experiments that are all in agreement, you actually do need a reason, unless you're fine with being perceived as nothing but a crank and/or an idiot.

The facts presented by a hundreds of experiments. Then you should have no problem in explaining your claim there's no torque being developed at the pivot point.

pretty simple. A cable isn't a rigid member fixed to the pivot. It's free swinging. Hence, no torque.

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I will ask you to do the bearing test your self. Mount a bearing on a shaft & place it in the chuck of a drill press so the bearing rotates  horizontally, then attach your bob line to the outer circumference of the bearing. set the bob in motion & watch the bearing rotate back & forth.

Do it yourself, lazy. Besides, this has nothing to do with how a foucault pendulum works. What will happen is the bob will just swing in a wider ellipse until it follows a circular path, if I understand your setup correctly. If you think I'm wrong go ahead and show your work.

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I'm fine with being perceived as nothing but a crank and/or an idiot. Again please explain.

Well you've certainly made that abundantly clear. You're the one who needs to explain both how the Foucault pendulum can be faked, and how it is in fact faked. You've done neither nor even come close in the last 35 pages.

Do the bearing test for your self. Mount a bearing on a shaft & place it in the chuck of a drill press so the bearing rotates  horizontally, then attach your bob line to the outer circumference of the bearing. set the bob in motion & watch the bearing rotate back & forth. According to you lot there's no torque being developed at the pivot point. Please explain ?         

What bearing? 

Listen, if you really think there can be a torque on the anchor point from the wire, try this. Take a piece of rope and try using it as a lever.