Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations

Here is some information on graphic rods. By the way you sure seem to know a lot about nuclear fission for what you believe does not exist.
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/nuclear-reactor-fission-reactors.html

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 24, 2014, 04:15:14 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 04:03:13 AM

It is not called nuclear stations for nothing. It is not called Electrolysis power station or hydrogen power station.

If you are hiding the real reason for energy, you are hardly going to call it what it is, are you? You will rig up some unclear energy to fool the masses. Nuclear....anagram, unclear....hmmm.

Well, this convinced me!!!!!  I mean the letters can be arranged to form another word.  Gotta be it!!!!
Oh wait, if you rearrange them they have the word "REAL" in them with "NUC" if you sound that out, it would sound like NUKE... So it is a real nuke!!!!  I am so torn what to believe!!!!!

An anagram for Sceptimatic is "Mice Scat Pit".  I guess that means Scepti is in reality just a hole full of rodent droppings! 

So would all the countries in the world want to share their secrets. Do you know anything about the cold war?

In the early times before all this stuff came about, I can imagine that countries were in conflict.
As time progressed and communication was more readily available, then that's when the bigger countries or shall I say, the more adept, richer countries started slowly taking control.
It's basically a one world government now.

Do you seriously think a tiny island like England could have much say in the world against the mass of other huge countries?
It requires a thinking cap to see past your nose.

The cold war was about scare tactics. the nuclear age of MAD...mutual assured destruction.
War games.....tic tac toe....the objkect is to win the game but there can be no winners with MAD.
It's brilliant, because it allows the bigger nations to play, stack the arsenal, with the people happy to pay for it because they are crapping their pants.

The space race was Russia turn to look like they were beating us. "We don't want them beating us", say the people.
"They might nuke us from space."  "But we need funding in order for us to do that" say the big wigs. "We will pay whatever it takes" say the people.

And so on and so on. It never ends and there's more to come. You don't get an easy ride as in a stress free life, all your life, unless you pay for it.

A better question would be if he knows anything about reality 
Everything he claimed seems like it's straight from a fairytale xD

I wonder what the fairytales really are? I think we are living our lives based on fairytales. The only problem is, they aren't nice ones.

Geiger counter being set off by a magnetic field? Seriously? Dude, is there anything you know? xD
Fine, if you think a magnetic field will affect the reading, why don't you bring a compass with you? If it's indeed a magnetic field, the compass will go apeshit.

As for the other idiocy about "needing to see what's happening", read this:
The Mechanism of Nuclear Fission; Niels Bohr, John Archibald Wheeler; 1939
Nuclear Fussion; Robert Vandenbosch, John R. Huizenga; 1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#Discovery_of_nuclear_fission

Contrary to your retarded beliefs, reading DOES give you an insight. It explains in detail the history of nuclear fission, and you can actually do the experiments yourself, provided you're allowed at a university. Oh wait, you don't have any sort of higher education... Sucks to be you then xD

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 24, 2014, 04:15:14 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 04:03:13 AM

It is not called nuclear stations for nothing. It is not called Electrolysis power station or hydrogen power station.

If you are hiding the real reason for energy, you are hardly going to call it what it is, are you? You will rig up some unclear energy to fool the masses. Nuclear....anagram, unclear....hmmm.

Well, this convinced me!!!!!  I mean the letters can be arranged to form another word.  Gotta be it!!!!
Oh wait, if you rearrange them they have the word "REAL" in them with "NUC" if you sound that out, it would sound like NUKE... So it is a real nuke!!!!  I am so torn what to believe!!!!!

I'm not bothered what you want to believe. I've said it before. That's your life and your decision. If you want to believe this Earth is delicate and can be blown to bits by nuclear devastation or armageddon, then you go for it. Sit back and wait for all the shenanigans of another nuclear stand off, where TV intervals will explain how to hide under your bed whilst you inject iodine of something like that into your body, just in case.

You believe in nukes because you are told to believe in them and that's the top and bottom of it. Your whole life is built on being TOLD to believe stuff...not asked.

Here is some information on graphic rods. By the way you sure seem to know a lot about nuclear fission for what you believe does not exist.
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/nuclear-reactor-fission-reactors.html

Yes I do. You see, I can't argue against it if I don;t know what's supposed to be going on. That's why I study both sides. I look at logic and feasibility, then use that to determine what reality is, or what reality potentially is.

To do all this, I studied far back to when all this started. It's gets to the stage where it makes my mind up for me.
I didn't just decide all this.
You have spent you life simply beliving it all and have no inclination to look at the who charade.

Quote from: Donk3y on April 24, 2014, 07:40:18 AM

A better question would be if he knows anything about reality 
Everything he claimed seems like it's straight from a fairytale xD

I wonder what the fairytales really are? I think we are living our lives based on fairytales. The only problem is, they aren't nice ones.

I feel sorry for you. You think this world is full of bad people with secrets for world domination. Socialism, Capitalism, communism, dictatorship are all label given to fool the world population in a huge conspiracy for money and power. Who is in charge? 

Geiger counter being set off by a magnetic field? Seriously? Dude, is there anything you know? xD
Fine, if you think a magnetic field will affect the reading, why don't you bring a compass with you? If it's indeed a magnetic field, the compass will go apeshit.

As for the other idiocy about "needing to see what's happening", read this:
The Mechanism of Nuclear Fission; Niels Bohr, John Archibald Wheeler; 1939
Nuclear Fussion; Robert Vandenbosch, John R. Huizenga; 1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#Discovery_of_nuclear_fission

Contrary to your retarded beliefs, reading DOES give you an insight. It explains in detail the history of nuclear fission, and you can actually do the experiments yourself, provided you're allowed at a university. Oh wait, you don't have any sort of higher education... Sucks to be you then xD

So tell me oh brains, how do you go about creating nuclear fission using uranium at a university, if it's so poisonous. Or does it only become poisonous at nuclear power plants?
Maybe it behaves itself at universities does it. 

Quote from: Donk3y on April 24, 2014, 08:04:43 AM

Geiger counter being set off by a magnetic field? Seriously? Dude, is there anything you know? xD
Fine, if you think a magnetic field will affect the reading, why don't you bring a compass with you? If it's indeed a magnetic field, the compass will go apeshit.

As for the other idiocy about "needing to see what's happening", read this:
The Mechanism of Nuclear Fission; Niels Bohr, John Archibald Wheeler; 1939
Nuclear Fussion; Robert Vandenbosch, John R. Huizenga; 1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#Discovery_of_nuclear_fission

Contrary to your retarded beliefs, reading DOES give you an insight. It explains in detail the history of nuclear fission, and you can actually do the experiments yourself, provided you're allowed at a university. Oh wait, you don't have any sort of higher education... Sucks to be you then xD

So tell me oh brains, how do you go about creating nuclear fission using uranium at a university, if it's so poisonous. Or does it only become poisonous at nuclear power plants?
Maybe it behaves itself at universities does it. 

Where do you think the research and the teaching of nuclear physics are done?  http://www.unb.ca/research/cner/

Are you really that stupid? Ever heard of "protective gear"? Meh, some new words won't hurt you xD
Also, read those articles. I understand that you don't have a higher education, but that's no reason for you to refuse knowledge. Only stupid people do that.

I feel sorry for you. You think this world is full of bad people with secrets for world domination. Socialism, Capitalism, communism, dictatorship are all label given to fool the world population in a huge conspiracy for money and power. Who is in charge?

I feel sorry for all of us.
The world isn't full of bad people. The world is full of good people with a small minority of bad people.
The problem is those at the very top who pull the strings.
So, who's in charge? I don't honestly know.#

A clue to it all could be very simple.

Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank..........

GIVE A MAN A BANK AND HE CAN ROB THE WORLD.
HE CAN ALSO CONTROL IT.

You decide who runs it all.

Maybe that's just part of it though. Who runs them?
I won't go into that bit because it involves other beings.

If you think this world is not changing for the worse, then you must be cocooned inside your own home on your own island.
I'm sure people on here can see massive changes happening around them.
Why don't you take a look at your rights today and what they were just a few decades ago.

Look at everything from bills to wages to food and water, to medicine and medical insurance.
Look at all the extra things you've been taxed on that didn't exist just a few decades ago.
Your kids are told what to eat at school. You can't put them a packed lunch up if it contains foods they deem not appropriate.
You can't chastise your kids for wrong doing.

Just about every inch of city life is manned by big brother cameras, designed to keep you safe until someone gets robbed, then you get told that the picture is too grainy to identify the robber.

Need I go on?

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 24, 2014, 04:15:14 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 04:03:13 AM

It is not called nuclear stations for nothing. It is not called Electrolysis power station or hydrogen power station.

If you are hiding the real reason for energy, you are hardly going to call it what it is, are you? You will rig up some unclear energy to fool the masses. Nuclear....anagram, unclear....hmmm.

Well, this convinced me!!!!!  I mean the letters can be arranged to form another word.  Gotta be it!!!!
Oh wait, if you rearrange them they have the word "REAL" in them with "NUC" if you sound that out, it would sound like NUKE... So it is a real nuke!!!!  I am so torn what to believe!!!!!

I'm not bothered what you want to believe. I've said it before. That's your life and your decision. If you want to believe this Earth is delicate and can be blown to bits by nuclear devastation or armageddon, then you go for it. Sit back and wait for all the shenanigans of another nuclear stand off, where TV intervals will explain how to hide under your bed whilst you inject iodine of something like that into your body, just in case.

You believe in nukes because you are told to believe in them and that's the top and bottom of it. Your whole life is built on being TOLD to believe stuff...not asked.

Well, you obviously missed the point of my statement.  And I thought you were good at reading between the lines... I guess I will explain it straight forward.

So far, the only evidence you have provided that nuclear power is fake is that the word nuclear is an anagram for unclear.  Therefore, "they" are faking everything.

I countered that with another anagram that indicates that the nukes are "real nuc" where the nuc is pronounced nuke. 

It was, obviously, a futile attempt to show you the massive flaw in your argument.

So much paranoia displayed by scepti, it really bring the conspiracy theorist psychology out of him!
www.conspiracypsychology.com

Are you really that stupid? Ever heard of "protective gear"? Meh, some new words won't hurt you xD
Also, read those articles. I understand that you don't have a higher education, but that's no reason for you to refuse knowledge. Only stupid people do that.

What is this protective gear? Space suits? Overalls with visor? How is the killer fission material called uranium delivered to the university? Is it inside a metal flask or a small concrete flask or something, inside a security van?
Who gets to take it out  and put it all in a reactor on a university campus?

This super poisonous stuff must surely be delivered by a fleet of army trucks shadowing an impenetrable security van or something, surely.

Tell me all about it Donks, I'm intrigued.
All you students reading this. The most important thing is safety...so there's no more important thing than to wear safety goggles and a paper overall and hard hat like the nuclear people do. This will protect you from any poisonous radiation.
Gloves are optional...but if you feel unsafe, then marigolds (washing up gloves) do a fine job.

Do not worry about terrorists storming the little outhouse where the nuclear reactor is at your university...the janitor is always outside the main door resting on a brush shank, smoking a cigarette..no one will get past him.

Any radiation leaks that do occur, make sure you turn your hard hat back around so the peak is at the front and zip up your paper decorating overalls from where the zip was hanging at your belly button...up to your neck, then carefully pull the papper hood over your plastic hard hat.

If your parents come to pick you up after your great fissioning day, make sure you tell them that you are the one in the suit that will have a glow around you.

I think I've covered it all. Good luck. 

My ideas of you was right. You view the world in a negative way. Here is an example. you said:"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank" Here give a man a gun and he will go hunting for food. Nothing to do with banks. Again:  "GIVE A MAN A BANK AND HE CAN ROB THE WORLD". Here banks are the peoples money not the world. That is why all countries keep all their business to their own. All of what you said is very negative from taxes, schools, medical, food and insurance. What kind of social would your like to see and it would function better than it is. No taxes and free food maybe. Free roads, school, medical insurance... what system would make it better than what you have now?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 24, 2014, 08:05:37 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 24, 2014, 04:15:14 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 04:03:13 AM

It is not called nuclear stations for nothing. It is not called Electrolysis power station or hydrogen power station.

If you are hiding the real reason for energy, you are hardly going to call it what it is, are you? You will rig up some unclear energy to fool the masses. Nuclear....anagram, unclear....hmmm.

Well, this convinced me!!!!!  I mean the letters can be arranged to form another word.  Gotta be it!!!!
Oh wait, if you rearrange them they have the word "REAL" in them with "NUC" if you sound that out, it would sound like NUKE... So it is a real nuke!!!!  I am so torn what to believe!!!!!

I'm not bothered what you want to believe. I've said it before. That's your life and your decision. If you want to believe this Earth is delicate and can be blown to bits by nuclear devastation or armageddon, then you go for it. Sit back and wait for all the shenanigans of another nuclear stand off, where TV intervals will explain how to hide under your bed whilst you inject iodine of something like that into your body, just in case.

You believe in nukes because you are told to believe in them and that's the top and bottom of it. Your whole life is built on being TOLD to believe stuff...not asked.

Well, you obviously missed the point of my statement.  And I thought you were good at reading between the lines... I guess I will explain it straight forward.

So far, the only evidence you have provided that nuclear power is fake is that the word nuclear is an anagram for unclear.  Therefore, "they" are faking everything.

I countered that with another anagram that indicates that the nukes are "real nuc" where the nuc is pronounced nuke. 

It was, obviously, a futile attempt to show you the massive flaw in your argument.

If I kept on making a point of unclear being an anagram I'd go along with you. The fact is, I've put enough in for people to actually look at and think for themselves.
I don't expect you to do any other than what you are doing right now. I know how you people work.

So much paranoia displayed by scepti, it really bring the conspiracy theorist psychology out of him!
www.conspiracypsychology.com

There's always words for people who don't believe official lines. They are never complimentary.
It makes the wek minded follow the masses. That's what it's designed to do and it works in many cases.
Like I've said before. If you want to believe everything they feed you then go right ahead and you can ridicule to your hearts content.
That's usually what I see from people like you, anyway, so it's meat and drink to me.

Quote from: Donk3y on April 24, 2014, 08:23:20 AM

Are you really that stupid? Ever heard of "protective gear"? Meh, some new words won't hurt you xD
Also, read those articles. I understand that you don't have a higher education, but that's no reason for you to refuse knowledge. Only stupid people do that.

What is this protective gear? Space suits? Overalls with visor? How is the killer fission material called uranium delivered to the university? Is it inside a metal flask or a small concrete flask or something, inside a security van?
Who gets to take it out  and put it all in a reactor on a university campus?

This super poisonous stuff must surely be delivered by a fleet of army trucks shadowing an impenetrable security van or something, surely.

Tell me all about it Donks, I'm intrigued.
All you students reading this. The most important thing is safety...so there's no more important thing than to wear safety goggles and a paper overall and hard hat like the nuclear people do. This will protect you from any poisonous radiation.
Gloves are optional...but if you feel unsafe, then marigolds (washing up gloves) do a fine job.

Do not worry about terrorists storming the little outhouse where the nuclear reactor is at your university...the janitor is always outside the main door resting on a brush shank, smoking a cigarette..no one will get past him.

Any radiation leaks that do occur, make sure you turn your hard hat back around so the peak is at the front and zip up your paper decorating overalls from where the zip was hanging at your belly button...up to your neck, then carefully pull the papper hood over your plastic hard hat.

If your parents come to pick you up after your great fissioning day, make sure you tell them that you are the one in the suit that will have a glow around you.

I think I've covered it all. Good luck. 

As judge Judy once said: "You are some piece of work" Before i go here is what you are and the definition: Psychosis, "abnormal condition or derangement") refers to an abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic.
Have a nice day!

My ideas of you was right. You view the world in a negative way. Here is an example. you said:"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank" Here give a man a gun and he will go hunting for food. Nothing to do with banks. Again:  "GIVE A MAN A BANK AND HE CAN ROB THE WORLD". Here banks are the peoples money not the world. That is why all countries keep all their business to their own. All of what you said is very negative from taxes, schools, medical, food and insurance. What kind of social would your like to see and it would function better than it is. No taxes and free food maybe. Free roads, school, medical insurance... what system would make it better than what you have now?

How about a system that gives EVERY human being the right to live comfortably without segregation.
Why not free roads? Why not free food?
Why can't people all be fed and clothed, no matter who they are? Why do we all have to be sorted into classes?
Why can't all people do a job they are capable of doing and all consider each job as on par with another with equality?
What gives a person who can theorise about what's in the sky a far better wage than someone digging ditches?
Every person on Earth relies on the workings of another to be able to do what they do, whether you're a ditch digger or a fisherman, farmer, clothes maker, etc, etc, etc. Why is one more important than the other?

This world we live in is decided by classes and people are paid pertaining to which class they're in.
People who put their money into a bank are charged for the so called privilege. You are charged for lending your money to the bank. Hahahaha.

You can't do certain things unless you pay insurance. What you do is...you pay what an insurance company dictates you pay and you pay that each month or in a lump sum, for a year to protect you in the event that you become ill, have an accident, get burgled, or whatever.
The problem is, you are paying your money to someone who is saying, " well, you pay us 400 a year, just in case and if you're fine after that year and don't make a claim... what we will do is, we will only put your premiums up a little bit instead of hammering you if you dare to make a claim."

The world is run on greed by greedy people who don't give a crap for the likes of you and you know this. The problem is...some people are better off than others, so they view their lives as comfortable and don't really give a stuff for those that are struggling...because it's those that are struggling that makes people like you, feel comfortable. Strange world, isn't it?


How about this.

starman: I'll paint your home and cut your lawn. You feed me and clothe me in return.
 I'll plant your vegetables and tend your orchard if we can distribute portions of the harvest to others.
Pay it forward. That's what world we should be living in.

The world we live in is a materialistic world of want but don't need, instead of catering for our needs.

Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 08:45:07 AM

My ideas of you was right. You view the world in a negative way. Here is an example. you said:"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank" Here give a man a gun and he will go hunting for food. Nothing to do with banks. Again:  "GIVE A MAN A BANK AND HE CAN ROB THE WORLD". Here banks are the peoples money not the world. That is why all countries keep all their business to their own. All of what you said is very negative from taxes, schools, medical, food and insurance. What kind of social would your like to see and it would function better than it is. No taxes and free food maybe. Free roads, school, medical insurance... what system would make it better than what you have now?

How about a system that gives EVERY human being the right to live comfortably without segregation.
Why not free roads? Why not free food?
Why can't people all be fed and clothed, no matter who they are? Why do we all have to be sorted into classes?
Why can't all people do a job they are capable of doing and all consider each job as on par with another with equality?
What gives a person who can theorise about what's in the sky a far better wage than someone digging ditches?
Every person on Earth relies on the workings of another to be able to do what they do, whether you're a ditch digger or a fisherman, farmer, clothes maker, etc, etc, etc. Why is one more important than the other?

This world we live in is decided by classes and people are paid pertaining to which class they're in.
People who put their money into a bank are charged for the so called privilege. You are charged for lending your money to the bank. Hahahaha.

You can't do certain things unless you pay insurance. What you do is...you pay what an insurance company dictates you pay and you pay that each month or in a lump sum, for a year to protect you in the event that you become ill, have an accident, get burgled, or whatever.
The problem is, you are paying your money to someone who is saying, " well, you pay us 400 a year, just in case and if you're fine after that year and don't make a claim... what we will do is, we will only put your premiums up a little bit instead of hammering you if you dare to make a claim."

The world is run on greed by greedy people who don't give a crap for the likes of you and you know this. The problem is...some people are better off than others, so they view their lives as comfortable and don't really give a stuff for those that are struggling...because it's those that are struggling that makes people like you, feel comfortable. Strange world, isn't it?


How about this.

starman: I'll paint your home and cut your lawn. You feed me and clothe me in return.
 I'll plant your vegetables and tend your orchard if we can distribute portions of the harvest to others.
Pay it forward. That's what world we should be living in.

The world we live in is a materialistic world of want but don't need, instead of catering for our needs.

Here is why this doesn't work. I will start off by asking you a simple question.
Have you ever been part of a group project where everyone participating gets the same grade?
In it, you have people who want an A, others who are happy with a C just to pass the class.  The problem arises when people who want the A end up doing all the work and the others just skate along and end up with the same rewards as those working hard for an A. 
You will always have people who game the system to get maximum rewards with as little effort as possible.  This creates resentment from the people who are doing the majority of the work.

As judge Judy once said: "You are some piece of work" Before i go here is what you are and the definition: Psychosis, "abnormal condition or derangement") refers to an abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic.
Have a nice day!

I don't think I've lost any contact with reality. I admit I have lost contact with brainwashing bullcrap. If that makes me psychotic, then we certainly do live in a strange world.

If my want for a world is equality and for every person to be afforded an equal chance to do their bit for the society they are part of;  I would say that I'm displaying the traits that many people would willingly follow.
The major problem is, too many people have been caught by the consumer bug. They are conditioned to believe they have to have what they are told to have. It's a domino effect of peer pressure.
By one get one free whether you need it or not. If you don't eat it, then bin it. Do this whilst you watch poor kids in other countries or people on the streets down on their luck and sigh but never think to say, hold on...I'll cook this food and give it to the homeless or to those that are less fortunate.

Let's open a tin of beans but only have a few spoonfuls, then empty the rest into the trash...but never forget to recycle that can.
All you can ever hope for in this life, is that you don't end up losing everything you built because you decided to be extravagant, believing you are invincible, because only then will you think back to the material things and ask yourself why you bought so much, just for the sake of having them.
And now you feel hungry but too proud to beg, you have a choice to make. You can end it or you can lose your pride and beg for it, even though it will be hard to do at first.

Soon you will lose your self esteem and your worth to society will be a thing of the past. The one thing you will gain, is friends. Real friends. Those very same people on the streets that would share their last half cigarette or half can of beans with you. Those very same people you probably called SCUM or thieves, or a drain on society, or bums.

Those same people who's only way out of the world they are living in, under the conditions they have no choice to live with, may beg for money for the chance to have a drink to take away the pain of having to see what they are part of.

If you ever think that some homeless are scammers....then use your brains and check out the clues. Finger nails are a dead give away. Grubbiness of hands and weathered skin is another, plus hair condition and teeth.

Next time you walk past someone like that, think about how they are feeling and brighten up their miserable day by giving them some spare cash or bringing them some edible food they can eat right there.

Yes, I'm psychotic alright.
I think some people need to get a FU...... grip.

Here is why this doesn't work. I will start off by asking you a simple question.
Have you ever been part of a group project where everyone participating gets the same grade?

Yes I have.

In it, you have people who want an A, others who are happy with a C just to pass the class.  The problem arises when people who want the A end up doing all the work and the others just skate along and end up with the same rewards as those working hard for an A. 

Of course that would happen. Right now that's the only way it would happen because people are conditioned to it being that way.
Over time , it would change. It wouldn't happen overnight because it would need a full on mentality change. The only way it could work is by those who are willing to be a part of it, banding together to shame and force those who are capable of being a part of it and doing their bit...to do so.
Those that can't for various reasons, like disabled or old, are catered for by those angels who can and will help them. It's a cycle that could work in a perfect world. It'll never happen because we have a think called money.
Society is so broken in our world that it would take a monumental effort to even right it by just 5%, because greed and selfishness rules the roost.

You will always have people who game the system to get maximum rewards with as little effort as possible.  This creates resentment from the people who are doing the majority of the work.

It's the resentment that gets those who don't contribute, banished. They can't get what they don't contribute to. That's what I'm getting at.

A simple case is this.

Kid: Mam, can I have a chocolate bar.
Mam: Yes, if you take out the trash and go and make your bed.
Kid: No chance, I'll do without and play on my xbox.
Mam: Ok, fine, I'll do it myself...oh and by the way, You xbox will be put away from tomorrow, so enjoy it today.

kid: You can't do that.
Mam: Oh yes I can. Haven't you seen the new leader of the world. It scepti and he's said we all have to help each other and those able bodied that refuse, do not get the spoils that those who do their bit, get.

Kid: Wow mam, gee, I dibn't know scepti had been made world leader. Now where's that trash. I'll take it out and tidy my bedroom, then I'll even wash those pots in the sink, mam. And  tomorrow I'll mow the lawn.

Mam: Here's your chocolate bar, son. (put her hand under her chin as she thanks scepti for changing the mindeset of the whole world).

 

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 09:22:56 AM

Here is why this doesn't work. I will start off by asking you a simple question.
Have you ever been part of a group project where everyone participating gets the same grade?

Yes I have.

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 09:22:56 AM

In it, you have people who want an A, others who are happy with a C just to pass the class.  The problem arises when people who want the A end up doing all the work and the others just skate along and end up with the same rewards as those working hard for an A. 

Of course that would happen. Right now that's the only way it would happen because people are conditioned to it being that way.
Over time , it would change. It wouldn't happen overnight because it would need a full on mentality change. The only way it could work is by those who are willing to be a part of it, banding together to shame and force those who are capable of being a part of it and doing their bit...to do so.
Those that can't for various reasons, like disabled or old, are catered for by those angels who can and will help them. It's a cycle that could work in a perfect world. It'll never happen because we have a think called money.
Society is so broken in our world that it would take a monumental effort to even right it by just 5%, because greed and selfishness rules the roost.

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 09:22:56 AM

You will always have people who game the system to get maximum rewards with as little effort as possible.  This creates resentment from the people who are doing the majority of the work.

It's the resentment that gets those who don't contribute, banished. They can't get what they don't contribute to. That's what I'm getting at.

A simple case is this.

Kid: Mam, can I have a chocolate bar.
Mam: Yes, if you take out the trash and go and make your bed.
Kid: No chance, I'll do without and play on my xbox.
Mam: Ok, fine, I'll do it myself...oh and by the way, You xbox will be put away from tomorrow, so enjoy it today.

kid: You can't do that.
Mam: Oh yes I can. Haven't you seen the new leader of the world. It scepti and he's said we all have to help each other and those able bodied that refuse, do not get the spoils that those who do their bit, get.

Kid: Wow mam, gee, I dibn't know scepti had been made world leader. Now where's that trash. I'll take it out and tidy my bedroom, then I'll even wash those pots in the sink, mam. And  tomorrow I'll mow the lawn.

Mam: Here's your chocolate bar, son. (put her hand under her chin as she thanks scepti for changing the mindeset of the whole world).

 

See bolded.
If you banish people, you have a class of people that don't have anything and a class of people that do.  Therefore your system has different classes of people. 

If you banish people, you have a class of people that don't have anything and a class of people that do.  Therefore your system has different classes of people.

How long for?

If those people that are banished, decide to contribute, then they become part of the new society.
It's not about class, it's about telling people that the new world requires everyone to help one another in whatever way they are capable.
The strong do the heavy work. The dexterous do the careful work. The memory people keep things in order. Etc.

It's about people having a choice of what they contribute, as long as they do and this way, everyone learns from everyone, which means that everyone gains.
The difference is, there would be more leisure time, because people would not be working 40/50 hours a week. They could do a few hours a day for 3 or 4 days a week and the rest is free time to enjoy life, knowing they're contributed.
It means all people serve a purpose which gains the maximum comfort for all, plus feedom of mind.

In truth, what would you prefer? Would you prefer to go to work all week and may weekends just to make ends meet and having no free time to enjoy the Earth you are part of in it's entirety, or would you be happy to have no money but be part of a community that has provided each other with the spoils of each others labour, whether it was a built home or lovely fresh food, etc, where each person gets a fair share of anything that the community produces , plus a fair share of anything that communities swap with others who produce different things?
Yes, it's a perfect world and no, I know it will never be like that. The point I'm making is, we are like caged animals the way most of us live. And most live with a stress level fr various reasons, like debt, bills due, wanting things that will make your life better but can't afford, yet watching others who do far less than you with the very same stuff.

Mans greed and weak minds have allowed this to happen.

Idiot... The huge amount of energy output from relatively small amounts of fuel, plus the radiation is proof enough... Go near a reactor core with a geiger counter and you'll see it. Oh wait, you don't want to visit a nuclear powerplant because that'll totally shatter your delusions. How unfortunate 

I don't know much about Geiger counters but they detect alpha, gamma and beta rays.....well, tell me how it distinguishes radiation from the plant and radiation from some other source...like the sun?  Radiation is ALL around us.  This guy doesn't seem to have a problem handling Uranium:
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I think RE scientists claim that the core of the Earth is made of a lot of radiation producing material.  Why am I not being cooked right now? 

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 24, 2014, 10:26:25 AM

If you banish people, you have a class of people that don't have anything and a class of people that do.  Therefore your system has different classes of people.

How long for?

If those people that are banished, decide to contribute, then they become part of the new society.
It's not about class, it's about telling people that the new world requires everyone to help one another in whatever way they are capable.
The strong do the heavy work. The dexterous do the careful work. The memory people keep things in order. Etc.

It's about people having a choice of what they contribute, as long as they do and this way, everyone learns from everyone, which means that everyone gains.
The difference is, there would be more leisure time, because people would not be working 40/50 hours a week. They could do a few hours a day for 3 or 4 days a week and the rest is free time to enjoy life, knowing they're contributed.
It means all people serve a purpose which gains the maximum comfort for all, plus feedom of mind.

In truth, what would you prefer? Would you prefer to go to work all week and may weekends just to make ends meet and having no free time to enjoy the Earth you are part of in it's entirety, or would you be happy to have no money but be part of a community that has provided each other with the spoils of each others labour, whether it was a built home or lovely fresh food, etc, where each person gets a fair share of anything that the community produces , plus a fair share of anything that communities swap with others who produce different things?
Yes, it's a perfect world and no, I know it will never be like that. The point I'm making is, we are like caged animals the way most of us live. And most live with a stress level fr various reasons, like debt, bills due, wanting things that will make your life better but can't afford, yet watching others who do far less than you with the very same stuff.

Mans greed and weak minds have allowed this to happen.

You have been watching Star Trek too much where nobody gets paid. And if everybody does not want to do the heavy work? By nature people are lazy and why not. Something tells me you are thinking of the society of North Korea.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 23, 2014, 05:09:23 PM

Hey, Donk3y, why don't you tell us what all the fuss is then with so many people doing this in their own labs?  There are tons of videos on it.  Electrolysis can occur by using sound frequency, not just electric current.  SOUND WAVES provide the energy necessary to create or discharge the ions in the electrolyte.

"Electrolysis is the passage of a direct electric current through an ionic substance that is either molten or dissolved in a suitable solvent, resulting in chemical reactions at the electrodes and separation of materials.  The main components required to achieve electrolysis are :
An electrolyte : a substance containing free ions which are the carriers of electric current in the electrolyte. If the ions are not mobile, as in a solid salt then electrolysis cannot occur.
A direct current (DC) supply : provides the energy necessary to create or discharge the ions in the electrolyte. Electric current is carried by electrons in the external circuit.
Two electrodes : an electrical conductor which provides the physical interface between the electrical circuit providing the energy and the electrolyte

Electrodes of metal, graphite and semiconductor material are widely used. Choice of suitable electrode depends on chemical reactivity between the electrode and electrolyte and the cost of manufacture." - Wikipedia

And how does what you quoted from Wikipedia prove that sound waves can be used for electrolysis.  Specifically the part you bolded?
How does this remotely support your previous statement that electrolysis is nuclear power?

As far as I can tell, it disproves both of your statements.

Sound waves are ELECTROmagnetic.  Sound waves create or discharge the ions in the water.   Electrolysis SPLITS water molecules.  A molecule is an electrically neutral group of two or more atoms.  ELECTROLYSIS IS THE PROCESS OF SPLITTING ATOMS.  IT IS NUCLEAR.
EDIT: NOT SOUND, RADIO WAVES

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 23, 2014, 08:07:38 PM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 23, 2014, 05:09:23 PM

Hey, Donk3y, why don't you tell us what all the fuss is then with so many people doing this in their own labs?  There are tons of videos on it.  Electrolysis can occur by using sound frequency, not just electric current.  SOUND WAVES provide the energy necessary to create or discharge the ions in the electrolyte.

"Electrolysis is the passage of a direct electric current through an ionic substance that is either molten or dissolved in a suitable solvent, resulting in chemical reactions at the electrodes and separation of materials.  The main components required to achieve electrolysis are :
An electrolyte : a substance containing free ions which are the carriers of electric current in the electrolyte. If the ions are not mobile, as in a solid salt then electrolysis cannot occur.
A direct current (DC) supply : provides the energy necessary to create or discharge the ions in the electrolyte. Electric current is carried by electrons in the external circuit.
Two electrodes : an electrical conductor which provides the physical interface between the electrical circuit providing the energy and the electrolyte

Electrodes of metal, graphite and semiconductor material are widely used. Choice of suitable electrode depends on chemical reactivity between the electrode and electrolyte and the cost of manufacture." - Wikipedia

And how does what you quoted from Wikipedia prove that sound waves can be used for electrolysis.  Specifically the part you bolded?
How does this remotely support your previous statement that electrolysis is nuclear power?

As far as I can tell, it disproves both of your statements.

Sound waves are ELECTROmagnetic.  Sound waves create or discharge the ions in the water.   Electrolysis SPLITS water molecules.  A molecule is an electrically neutral group of two or more atoms.  ELECTROLYSIS IS THE PROCESS OF SPLITTING ATOMS.  IT IS NUCLEAR.

Sound waves are NOT electromagnetic.  They are vibrations in a medium.  Electrolysis is NOT the process of splitting atoms.  It, in the terms we are talking about, is splitting the hydrogen from the oxygen in water.  And there is nothing about molecules that say they need to be electrically neutral.  You can have a molecule that has a charge.  For example, NO3, also called nitrate, has a negative charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrate
Molecules are mad up of atoms.  Splitting them apart is not the same as splitting atoms.  Therefore, electrolysis is NOT nuclear.