Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #210 on: April 22, 2014, 08:30:08 AM »

Go and visit the nuclear stations. They will describe how it works. What are you afraid of? You tell us that nuclear reaction does not exist well go and talk to the engineers that work there. You are a genius right?
I already know how they say it works. What can't you understand about that? What would visiting a power station do to prove to me that it runs on what they say it runs on?
Are they going to show me uranium pellets fissioning inside a rod? I don't think so, do you?
So you don't want to go and talk to the experts. All I see is you have a opinion with no value and experience. What do you have to lose? We will haunt you until you go. 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #211 on: April 22, 2014, 08:35:15 AM »

Go and visit the nuclear stations. They will describe how it works. What are you afraid of? You tell us that nuclear reaction does not exist well go and talk to the engineers that work there. You are a genius right?
I already know how they say it works. What can't you understand about that? What would visiting a power station do to prove to me that it runs on what they say it runs on?
Are they going to show me uranium pellets fissioning inside a rod? I don't think so, do you?
So you don't want to go and talk to the experts. All I see is you have a opinion with no value and experience. What do you have to lose? We will haunt you until you go.
So, I go to the power station and say, "hey, how does all this stuff work?" They then say, " oh, it's works by this... (shows me a diagram of the stuff I can readily see on the internet)... and that's that."

So what would I learn that I cant learn from the internet?

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #212 on: April 22, 2014, 08:37:58 AM »

Go and visit the nuclear stations. They will describe how it works. What are you afraid of? You tell us that nuclear reaction does not exist well go and talk to the engineers that work there. You are a genius right?
I already know how they say it works. What can't you understand about that? What would visiting a power station do to prove to me that it runs on what they say it runs on?
Are they going to show me uranium pellets fissioning inside a rod? I don't think so, do you?
So you don't want to go and talk to the experts. All I see is you have a opinion with no value and experience. What do you have to lose? We will haunt you until you go. 

Starman must be new here. 

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #213 on: April 22, 2014, 08:41:14 AM »

Go and visit the nuclear stations. They will describe how it works. What are you afraid of? You tell us that nuclear reaction does not exist well go and talk to the engineers that work there. You are a genius right?
I already know how they say it works. What can't you understand about that? What would visiting a power station do to prove to me that it runs on what they say it runs on?
Are they going to show me uranium pellets fissioning inside a rod? I don't think so, do you?
So you don't want to go and talk to the experts. All I see is you have a opinion with no value and experience. What do you have to lose? We will haunt you until you go. 

Starman must be new here.
Yeah. I think he joined yesterday.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #214 on: April 22, 2014, 08:42:29 AM »

Go and visit the nuclear stations. They will describe how it works. What are you afraid of? You tell us that nuclear reaction does not exist well go and talk to the engineers that work there. You are a genius right?
I already know how they say it works. What can't you understand about that? What would visiting a power station do to prove to me that it runs on what they say it runs on?
Are they going to show me uranium pellets fissioning inside a rod? I don't think so, do you?
So you don't want to go and talk to the experts. All I see is you have a opinion with no value and experience. What do you have to lose? We will haunt you until you go.
So, I go to the power station and say, "hey, how does all this stuff work?" They then say, " oh, it's works by this... (shows me a diagram of the stuff I can readily see on the internet)... and that's that."

So what would I learn that I cant learn from the internet?
Yes but you don't believe what you read on the internet. It is totally different when you look in the eyes of an person that is an expert on the subject. That in itself you can't get on the internet.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #215 on: April 22, 2014, 09:07:53 AM »

Yes but you don't believe what you read on the internet. It is totally different when you look in the eyes of an person that is an expert on the subject. That in itself you can't get on the internet.
I can look into the eyes of a genuine person that is explaining to me how the nuclear power plant works. He/she is explaining it all to me because he/she has done the necessary reading up on it and is of the belief that it works entirely the way they have been told it does.

I can spot a liar, face to face. It's a skill I have, that many will have, if you're prepared to look. All the astronauts display it.
The problem is; someone in a nuclear power plant who are regurgitating what they memorised, can be legitimately telling you what they believe to be true, so they are hardly going to be displaying any signs of lying.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #216 on: April 22, 2014, 09:15:41 AM »
Geoffrey, chill out. All I'm saying is, stop pretending you people actually know what you're talking about as regards nuclear power, because you actually know nothing other than what they tell you it does. It's all we all know; unless someone decides to come on the forum to profess to being a nuclear scientist, telling us that he/she has seen this direct fissioning of uranium bundles.

They tell us what it is and does, we all know that. We all can see how they say it operates. Weirdly its purpose is to boil water into steam. It not only sounds far fetched, I believe it is far fetched and there is another reason for what those plants are for.

I've been in a nuclear powerplant and I've witnessed radioactive decay, I don't know why you think this is all some sort of mystery to everybody... Just because you're uneducated in a field of science (make that any field in your case xD) doesn't mean that everybody else is lying.

Here, thunderf00t will shed more light on this issue, maybe even raise the veil of delusions from your closed mind:

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Briefly explain what you witnessed and where inside this nuclear power station that you witnessed it.

Briefly? Okay, I've seen the insertion of a nuclear rod, like you can see in this sketch:


The decay: I've worked with Na 24. You can tell it's decaying because you get Mg out of it, you also get electrons and gamma radiation. Again, watch the videos:

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« Reply #217 on: April 22, 2014, 09:17:46 AM »
Who in a nuclear power station knows how it works? They must know to keep it going.

No problem with radiation from Chenobyl then?

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #218 on: April 22, 2014, 09:21:41 AM »

Yes but you don't believe what you read on the internet. It is totally different when you look in the eyes of an person that is an expert on the subject. That in itself you can't get on the internet.
I can look into the eyes of a genuine person that is explaining to me how the nuclear power plant works. He/she is explaining it all to me because he/she has done the necessary reading up on it and is of the belief that it works entirely the way they have been told it does.

I can spot a liar, face to face. It's a skill I have, that many will have, if you're prepared to look. All the astronauts display it.
The problem is; someone in a nuclear power plant who are regurgitating what they memorised, can be legitimately telling you what they believe to be true, so they are hardly going to be displaying any signs of lying.
Listen.. I know a cop-out when I see it. I am not going to hold your hand on this one. Those engineers are not scripted robots. They are experts their field like any other specialized professional. If you were to see jroa and ask about his knowledge of electronics and experience in the military would you tell him in his face he is full of shit because he just did what he are told? I dough it. There are lots of people that have greater knowledge than you and are experts in their field. You may have an opinion but it stops there. You have no experience and that has a greater value. Gone for a few hours.. talk later.

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« Reply #219 on: April 22, 2014, 09:22:19 AM »
For those of you who think nuclear power is a modern invention, please watch this.  The ancient Egyptians were the first to use electrolysis and ultimately blew themselves up with it.  There is evidence of a huge explosion in the pyramid
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You don't need nuclear power to do electrolysis.  Just a battery, which can be made from two dissimilar metals and an acid.
Electrolysis IS nuclear power.   ::)

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #220 on: April 22, 2014, 09:22:33 AM »
Donk3y....stop telling lies. I don't mind you telling me you donned a little overall and black plastic safety googles, plus Lawrence of Arabia head and neck piece for a little tour. Don't tell me that you saw them inserting a frigging rod, lol.
The only rod you saw being inerted was on some films you watch when your girlfriend went shopping.  ;D
As soon as this topic came up and I entered it..you took a crash course in nuclear rodding, lol.
You aren't fooling me or anyone else, so stick to the game and stop spouting nonsense.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #221 on: April 22, 2014, 09:26:36 AM »
Who in a nuclear power station knows how it works? They must know to keep it going.

No problem with radiation from Chenobyl then?
Thiose at the top know how it works. The rest think they know and just operate it on the basis of being shown what buttons to press. They still have gauges to measure for temperatures and it's still dangerous as hell, it's just not fictional poisonous uranium dangerous or plutonium

Hydrogen explosions: check. Other gas build up: check.
Meltdowns? Have a word will you.

No problems in Chernobyl except a blown up cooking pot. The wolves and animals are all skipping about in a big nature reserve, happy as can be.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #222 on: April 22, 2014, 09:30:23 AM »
For those of you who think nuclear power is a modern invention, please watch this.  The ancient Egyptians were the first to use electrolysis and ultimately blew themselves up with it.  There is evidence of a huge explosion in the pyramid
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You don't need nuclear power to do electrolysis.  Just a battery, which can be made from two dissimilar metals and an acid.
Electrolysis IS nuclear power.   ::)

LOL! Priceless!  ;D
Maybe you should check out the difference between a CHEMICAL reaction and a PHYSICAL reaction.

Donk3y....stop telling lies. I don't mind you telling me you donned a little overall and black plastic safety googles, plus Lawrence of Arabia head and neck piece for a little tour. Don't tell me that you saw them inserting a frigging rod, lol.
The only rod you saw being inerted was on some films you watch when your girlfriend went shopping.  ;D
As soon as this topic came up and I entered it..you took a crash course in nuclear rodding, lol.
You aren't fooling me or anyone else, so stick to the game and stop spouting nonsense.

Why would I care what a delusional nobody on a random forum thinks about me? Maybe you should actually educate yourself more make a fool out of yourself less...

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #223 on: April 22, 2014, 09:41:00 AM »

Yes but you don't believe what you read on the internet. It is totally different when you look in the eyes of an person that is an expert on the subject. That in itself you can't get on the internet.
I can look into the eyes of a genuine person that is explaining to me how the nuclear power plant works. He/she is explaining it all to me because he/she has done the necessary reading up on it and is of the belief that it works entirely the way they have been told it does.

I can spot a liar, face to face. It's a skill I have, that many will have, if you're prepared to look. All the astronauts display it.
The problem is; someone in a nuclear power plant who are regurgitating what they memorised, can be legitimately telling you what they believe to be true, so they are hardly going to be displaying any signs of lying.
Listen.. I know a cop-out when I see it. I am not going to hold your hand on this one. Those engineers are not scripted robots. They are experts their field like any other specialized professional. If you were to see jroa and ask about his knowledge of electronics and experience in the military would you tell him in his face he is full of shit because he just did what he are told? I dough it. There are lots of people that have greater knowledge than you and are experts in their field. You may have an opinion but it stops there. You have no experience and that has a greater value. Gone for a few hours.. talk later.
Why would I need to DOUBT Jroa on being in the military or electronics? I have no issues with anyone doing their jobs.
I have no issues with people working at nuclear power plants, doing their jobs, from the lectricians to the control room operators, down to the canteen personnel. I'm sure they do an excellent job and are very conscious of doing it to the best of their ability in a responsible manner.

I have a job for you starman. Good pay but it's 12 hour shifts and it carries a major responsibility of which you will be tested on with drills and such, not knowing of the drill is real or a test.

Your job title is nuclear missile silo operator. You will be part of a two man team and both required to hold a launch key to be inserted into a key slot when the order comes. You will have a gun and be required to shoot to kill if your co- silo operator goes crazy or refuses to key in for launch after codes are given.

You will be fully trained for the job and told about all aspects of what you are launching and the warheads they carry, etc.

Do you want the job? If so, you will also be required to do some talks to a small group of people who will tour the place , obviously after being blindfolded and slung into the back of a van, so they can't give the game away.

Tell me, starman... do you know what you are launching in terms of warhead? Do you know for sure what you are launching?
The answer is...no you wouldn't, except what you've been told, yet it all appears legit and you've just told a small bunch of amazed, yet badly bedraggled people with roughed up hair, on a tour, that your missiles hold a blah blah blah kiloton/megaton warhead, capable of destroying a city, etc.

The problem is, you aren't lying to them, because you believe it all yourself. You are merely conveying the lies to them, unbeknown to yourself.
Now tell me about these power station workers again?
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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #224 on: April 22, 2014, 09:46:27 AM »
For those of you who think nuclear power is a modern invention, please watch this.  The ancient Egyptians were the first to use electrolysis and ultimately blew themselves up with it.  There is evidence of a huge explosion in the pyramid
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You don't need nuclear power to do electrolysis.  Just a battery, which can be made from two dissimilar metals and an acid.
Electrolysis IS nuclear power.   ::)

LOL! Priceless!  ;D
Maybe you should check out the difference between a CHEMICAL reaction and a PHYSICAL reaction.

Donk3y....stop telling lies. I don't mind you telling me you donned a little overall and black plastic safety googles, plus Lawrence of Arabia head and neck piece for a little tour. Don't tell me that you saw them inserting a frigging rod, lol.
The only rod you saw being inerted was on some films you watch when your girlfriend went shopping.  ;D
As soon as this topic came up and I entered it..you took a crash course in nuclear rodding, lol.
You aren't fooling me or anyone else, so stick to the game and stop spouting nonsense.

Why would I care what a delusional nobody on a random forum thinks about me? Maybe you should actually educate yourself more make a fool out of yourself less...
You need to pay a little bit more attention and soak up what's being said to you. Your brains must be still unpackaged.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #225 on: April 22, 2014, 09:53:57 AM »
Yeah, says the nobody that claims that 90% of all science known is wrong, yet he cannot substantiate even one of his claims.
You're pathetic.

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« Reply #226 on: April 22, 2014, 09:57:43 AM »
Yeah, says the nobody that claims that 90% of all science known is wrong, yet he cannot substantiate even one of his claims.
You're pathetic.
Stop making things up. I can't stand liars, now pack it in.
I have nothing against science as a whole. Just the bull crap space stuff and a few Earthly con jobs.
Please don't ever lie to me again. I abhor liars, so stop it.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #227 on: April 22, 2014, 09:59:58 AM »
Who in a nuclear power station knows how it works? They must know to keep it going.

No problem with radiation from Chenobyl then?
Thiose at the top know how it works. The rest think they know and just operate it on the basis of being shown what buttons to press. They still have gauges to measure for temperatures and it's still dangerous as hell, it's just not fictional poisonous uranium dangerous or plutonium

Hydrogen explosions: check. Other gas build up: check.
Meltdowns? Have a word will you.

No problems in Chernobyl except a blown up cooking pot. The wolves and animals are all skipping about in a big nature reserve, happy as can be.
You clearly have no knowledge or experience of engineering projects.  Those at the top do not know the detail, the professional engineers and scientists have to build and run it, they know exactly how it works.

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« Reply #228 on: April 22, 2014, 10:00:50 AM »
Yeah, says the nobody that claims that 90% of all science known is wrong, yet he cannot substantiate even one of his claims.
You're pathetic.
Stop making things up. I can't stand liars, now pack it in.
I have nothing against science as a whole. Just the bull crap space stuff and a few Earthly con jobs.
Please don't ever lie to me again. I abhor liars, so stop it.
What other jobs?

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« Reply #229 on: April 22, 2014, 10:03:07 AM »
For those of you who think nuclear power is a modern invention, please watch this.  The ancient Egyptians were the first to use electrolysis and ultimately blew themselves up with it.  There is evidence of a huge explosion in the pyramid
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You don't need nuclear power to do electrolysis.  Just a battery, which can be made from two dissimilar metals and an acid.
Electrolysis IS nuclear power.   ::)
LOL! Priceless!  ;D
Maybe you should check out the difference between a CHEMICAL reaction and a PHYSICAL reaction.
http://www.fchea.org/core/import/PDFs/factsheets/Hydrogen%20Production%20From%20Nuclear%20Energy_NEW.pdf

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #230 on: April 22, 2014, 10:10:05 AM »
Who in a nuclear power station knows how it works? They must know to keep it going.

No problem with radiation from Chenobyl then?
Thiose at the top know how it works. The rest think they know and just operate it on the basis of being shown what buttons to press. They still have gauges to measure for temperatures and it's still dangerous as hell, it's just not fictional poisonous uranium dangerous or plutonium

Hydrogen explosions: check. Other gas build up: check.
Meltdowns? Have a word will you.

No problems in Chernobyl except a blown up cooking pot. The wolves and animals are all skipping about in a big nature reserve, happy as can be.
You clearly have no knowledge or experience of engineering projects.  Those at the top do not know the detail, the professional engineers and scientists have to build and run it, they know exactly how it works.
Apart from the containment buildings, those power plants are like any other, doing the same thing as any other. So the issue is all about the supposed little pellets inside rods. Or it could be something like hydrogen being processed and used in both gas form, plus electrical production like a massive storage battery that is being recharged.
You know nothing, that much is clear.

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Re: Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations
« Reply #231 on: April 22, 2014, 10:11:02 AM »
Yeah, says the nobody that claims that 90% of all science known is wrong, yet he cannot substantiate even one of his claims.
You're pathetic.
Stop making things up. I can't stand liars, now pack it in.
I have nothing against science as a whole. Just the bull crap space stuff and a few Earthly con jobs.
Please don't ever lie to me again. I abhor liars, so stop it.
What other jobs?
you're as dense as hell.

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« Reply #232 on: April 22, 2014, 11:21:39 AM »
Yeah, says the nobody that claims that 90% of all science known is wrong, yet he cannot substantiate even one of his claims.
You're pathetic.
Stop making things up. I can't stand liars, now pack it in.
I have nothing against science as a whole. Just the bull crap space stuff and a few Earthly con jobs.
Please don't ever lie to me again. I abhor liars, so stop it.

I'm not lying, you're just an idiot.
You've got nothing against science? Then how come you adhere to some of the most idiotic concepts and deny THE MOST IMPORTANT theories in physics? You've got no idea what you're talking about, you've got no formal education whatsoever in any field of science, and you've never stepped foot in a lab, be it for physics, chemistry or biology. Calling somebody a liar just because you're too stupid to understand something is really really lame, and most of all hypocritical...

For those of you who think nuclear power is a modern invention, please watch this.  The ancient Egyptians were the first to use electrolysis and ultimately blew themselves up with it.  There is evidence of a huge explosion in the pyramid
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You don't need nuclear power to do electrolysis.  Just a battery, which can be made from two dissimilar metals and an acid.
Electrolysis IS nuclear power.   ::)
LOL! Priceless!  ;D
Maybe you should check out the difference between a CHEMICAL reaction and a PHYSICAL reaction.
http://www.fchea.org/core/import/PDFs/factsheets/Hydrogen%20Production%20From%20Nuclear%20Energy_NEW.pdf


Do you even read whatever you post? Here, let me translate it for you:
They're using the NUCLEAR ENERGY (the heat) to boil WATER and make STEAM. The STEAM is rotating TURBINES thus creating ELECTRICITY. Now that electricity is usually outputted, but what they are doing is recirculating that electricity into another facility which makes hydrogen through water electrolysis.

Learn to read and comprehend...

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« Reply #233 on: April 22, 2014, 11:34:50 AM »
Donk3y: Put your little mind into gear and try and read between the lines. It seems that too many of you appear backward. Your heads are so crammed with nonsense, you lose the ability to logically look at stuff.

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« Reply #234 on: April 22, 2014, 11:45:12 AM »
So in a country like France that generates something like 3 quarters of its electricity from nuclear. Where are all the power stations needed to generate the power considering thet the nuclear ones produce none?

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« Reply #235 on: April 22, 2014, 11:45:50 AM »
Donk3y,
Do you realize that electrolysis makes heat that boils water and makes steam that turns a turbine that makes electricity?

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« Reply #236 on: April 22, 2014, 11:47:23 AM »
Donk3y,
Do you realize that electrolysis makes heat that boils water and makes steam that turns a turbine that makes electricity?

I think you might need to Check what electrolysis is.....

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« Reply #237 on: April 22, 2014, 12:02:24 PM »
So in a country like France that generates something like 3 quarters of its electricity from nuclear. Where are all the power stations needed to generate the power considering thet the nuclear ones produce none?
Go and look up the supposed cost of a nuclear power plant and do some math. You like math, don't you.

Count the amount of supposed nuclear power stations in France, then ask yourself how many homes just one reactor can supposedly power. Then ask yourself why nuclear power doesn't cater for the whole of France and yet excess energy is sold to other nations, we are told.

Whatever is producing power, it isn't nuclear as far as I'm concerned. Take your pick from hydrogen, methane, magnesium and potassium mixes or oil/coal or whatever other means they have. This uranium atom splitting is a bunch of nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

There's a lot of little clues as to why they aren't what they are made out to be.

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« Reply #238 on: April 22, 2014, 12:04:19 PM »
Donk3y,
Do you realize that electrolysis makes heat that boils water and makes steam that turns a turbine that makes electricity?

That's a bit like saying robots make cars, and too many cars on the road at the same time cause traffic jams and traffic jams cause road rage, so robots cause road rage. 

The electrolysis makes hydrogen which can be used to make heat and so on ...  but electrolysis didn't make the electricity directly, just like robots don't cause road rage directly. 

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« Reply #239 on: April 22, 2014, 12:11:12 PM »
How does France hide the countless extra power stations requierd to produce the electricity instead of the nuclear power stations. And for that matter to what end? What do they get from it?