Scepti - Nuclear Power Stations

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:03:24 AM

lets start with where they get the hydrogen from?

The sea.

nice try at skirting the question. how do they extract the hydrogen from the sea?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:05:17 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:03:24 AM

lets start with where they get the hydrogen from?

The sea.

nice try at skirting the question. how do they extract the hydrogen from the sea?

By electrolysis.

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:10:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:05:17 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:03:24 AM

lets start with where they get the hydrogen from?

The sea.

nice try at skirting the question. how do they extract the hydrogen from the sea?

By electrolysis.

What powers the electrolysis?

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Not by conventional methods, no. Maybe take a look at what they can do to extract hydrogen.
The way we know of extracting it, isn't the only way to do it that is expensive. Take a look about and see what they can actually do.
Just think about your hydrogen cars, etc. They are a moving power station, requiring water as fuel. It's no different to how a full size power station could be running. Obviously you will go into full on expert denial mode, I'm sure of that.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:12:55 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:10:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:05:17 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:03:24 AM

lets start with where they get the hydrogen from?

The sea.

nice try at skirting the question. how do they extract the hydrogen from the sea?

By electrolysis.

What powers the electrolysis?

Let me tell you something you little prick. If you want to debate, then do it. Act like a twat and I'll treat you like one.

even if the process of extracting hydrogen was 100% efficient you would have a net excess of electricity of exactly 0. their for no net increase of electricity is generated.

even if the process of extracting hydrogen was 100% efficient you would have a net excess of electricity of exactly 0. their for no net increase of electricity is generated.

That's because you are deciding it. How about asking why a hydrogen car can run on water as fuel. This might give you a little idea as to why your thoughts could be way way out.

You're happy to believe a walnut sized piece of uranium is the equivalent power of a hundred car loads on a train and yet you think it takes as much electricity to extract hydrogen.
We aren't just taking about burning the hydrogen, we are talking about a reaction of it that produces electricity. Have a good think about it.

i have no issue with hydrogen being used as a energy transporter. as with cars but as a energy source its no good because it takes more energy to create than it gives out

i have no issue with hydrogen being used as a energy transporter. as with cars but as a energy source its no good because it takes more energy to create than it gives out

Well, you keep thinking that way. I can't help you any further from this point. Your mind is fully made up.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:12:55 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:10:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:05:17 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:03:24 AM

lets start with where they get the hydrogen from?

The sea.

nice try at skirting the question. how do they extract the hydrogen from the sea?

By electrolysis.

What powers the electrolysis?

Let me tell you something you little prick. If you want to debate, then do it. Act like a twat and I'll treat you like one.

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

As in https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/nuclearengineer.aspx

https://engineering.purdue.edu/NE/Academics/FutureStudents/nuclearengineers.html

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:39:39 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

As in https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/nuclearengineer.aspx

https://engineering.purdue.edu/NE/Academics/FutureStudents/nuclearengineers.html

Explain it to me in your own words.

Back up to here for a sec:

How about asking why a hydrogen car can run on water as fuel.

Do you honestly believe that hydrogen cars run on water? Is that what you think they put in the tanks of those vehicles?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:39:39 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

As in https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/nuclearengineer.aspx

https://engineering.purdue.edu/NE/Academics/FutureStudents/nuclearengineers.html

Explain it to me in your own words.

This is what professional people in the nuclear industry do.  What do you not understand?

Back up to here for a sec:

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:33:06 AM

How about asking why a hydrogen car can run on water as fuel.

Do you honestly believe that hydrogen cars run on water? Is that what you think they put in the tanks of those vehicles?

When you decide not to act like a bell end, I'll deal with you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:48:20 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:39:39 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

As in https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/nuclearengineer.aspx

https://engineering.purdue.edu/NE/Academics/FutureStudents/nuclearengineers.html

Explain it to me in your own words.

This is what professional people in the nuclear industry do.  What do you not understand?

Not a good enough answer. Explain to me about engineers needing to know about the building of a nuclear power station and why they should know what it actually uses as  a fuel source.

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 20, 2014, 03:55:01 AM

Back up to here for a sec:

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:33:06 AM

How about asking why a hydrogen car can run on water as fuel.

Do you honestly believe that hydrogen cars run on water? Is that what you think they put in the tanks of those vehicles?

When you decide not to act like a bell end, I'll deal with you.

Simple question, should get a simple answer. I'll restate it:

Do hydrogen cars use hydrogen or water as their fuel? 'Fuel' in this case referring to what is pumped into the tank of the vehicle.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:57:19 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:48:20 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:39:39 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 20, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Are you seriously saying that the people, qualified engineers and scientists, do not understand what they are doing to design, build and operate these power stations?

What do you mean by qualified engineers?
Do you mean those that build the big pots? Those that build the pipes? Pressure valves?...what?

What engineers need to know what's being used ?

As in https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/nuclearengineer.aspx

https://engineering.purdue.edu/NE/Academics/FutureStudents/nuclearengineers.html

Explain it to me in your own words.

This is what professional people in the nuclear industry do.  What do you not understand?

Not a good enough answer. Explain to me about engineers needing to know about the building of a nuclear power station and why they should know what it actually uses as  a fuel source.

Because they are they people that know how it works and design every aspect of it.  Maybe you do not understand the term 'engineers', they are professional, highly qualified people.  Not the people with buckets of concrete.

As in - With a degree in nuclear engineering you could become involved in:

Providing future electrical energy systems, such as advanced fission and fusion reactors, needed not only by the U.S. but also by developing nations for economic and security growth.

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:15:55 AM

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Not by conventional methods, no. Maybe take a look at what they can do to extract hydrogen.
The way we know of extracting it, isn't the only way to do it that is expensive. Take a look about and see what they can actually do.
Just think about your hydrogen cars, etc. They are a moving power station, requiring water as fuel. It's no different to how a full size power station could be running. Obviously you will go into full on expert denial mode, I'm sure of that.

Here is why hydrogen are are not used: "Fortune magazine estimated the cost of producing the Honda Clarity at $300,000 per car" That is to produce it is not what you would pay.

Scepti says he does not know about nuclear power plants and then he talks about control rods and meltdown. Meltdown from what scepti?

There is 435 power plants in the world. I suppose you think it all a conspiracy.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/Nuclear-Basics/Global-number-of-nuclear-reactors/

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:15:55 AM

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Not by conventional methods, no. Maybe take a look at what they can do to extract hydrogen.
The way we know of extracting it, isn't the only way to do it that is expensive. Take a look about and see what they can actually do.
Just think about your hydrogen cars, etc. They are a moving power station, requiring water as fuel. It's no different to how a full size power station could be running. Obviously you will go into full on expert denial mode, I'm sure of that.

Since when do hydrogen cars run on water?   

He does know about hydrogen fuel cells.

Quote from: BJ1234 on April 20, 2014, 02:23:25 AM

By scepti's logic, oil and gas are made from water.  All the refineries by me are located on late bodies of water.They are also called HYHYDROcarbons.  Since hydro also means water, they are just water with carbon mixed in.

But seriously, the fact remains that it takes MORE power to produce hydrogen from water than it does when you burn it.  Therefore, it is not an economical power solution.  You are better off taking the electricity and putting it right into the grid.

Maybe have a delve into it all before you start making assumptions about how hard it all is.

Well, because you are claiming that nuclear power is not real and it is just electrolysis to create hydrogen.  So far the only explanation that you have provided is "You are just believing what they are telling you" and "Why do you think all the power stations are near large bodies of water"

By your very own logic,
Oil and gas are not real, it is just water mixed with carbon.  Hence the name HYDROcarbon.  You are just believing what they are telling you.  WHy do you think all the refineries are located by large bodies of water?
Crude oil isn't real.  You really think that gajillion years ago these dinosaurs died and then their bodies decided to just turn into oil?  Have a think on it!  It is just water mixed with carbon!!!  Why else do they call it hydrocarbon? Anyone who believes otherwise is just indoctrinated!!!!!!

scepti... do you know why all the refineries by me are located on late bodies of water?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 04:02:19 AM

Quote from: Scintific Method on April 20, 2014, 03:55:01 AM

Back up to here for a sec:

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:33:06 AM

How about asking why a hydrogen car can run on water as fuel.

Do you honestly believe that hydrogen cars run on water? Is that what you think they put in the tanks of those vehicles?

When you decide not to act like a bell end, I'll deal with you.

Simple question, should get a simple answer. I'll restate it:

Do hydrogen cars use hydrogen or water as their fuel? 'Fuel' in this case referring to what is pumped into the tank of the vehicle.

Like I told you earlier; stop acting like a bell end. Do you seriously think I think you pour water into a tank and off the car goes? You probably do because this is your stupid attitude on the internet, you little coward.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:21:59 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:15:55 AM

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Not by conventional methods, no. Maybe take a look at what they can do to extract hydrogen.
The way we know of extracting it, isn't the only way to do it that is expensive. Take a look about and see what they can actually do.
Just think about your hydrogen cars, etc. They are a moving power station, requiring water as fuel. It's no different to how a full size power station could be running. Obviously you will go into full on expert denial mode, I'm sure of that.

Since when do hydrogen cars run on water?   

I said they require water as fuel, not they fill their fuel tanks with water you smug little bastard.

Quote from: airyfairy76 on April 20, 2014, 05:01:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 20, 2014, 03:21:59 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 20, 2014, 03:15:55 AM

so when they recombine the hydrogen to generate electricity they get more electricity out than the electricity used for the electrolysis

Not by conventional methods, no. Maybe take a look at what they can do to extract hydrogen.
The way we know of extracting it, isn't the only way to do it that is expensive. Take a look about and see what they can actually do.
Just think about your hydrogen cars, etc. They are a moving power station, requiring water as fuel. It's no different to how a full size power station could be running. Obviously you will go into full on expert denial mode, I'm sure of that.

Since when do hydrogen cars run on water?   

I said they require water as fuel, not they fill their fuel tanks with water you smug little bastard.

you only replies twice and you are already calling names. Are you mad?