I'm trying to understand what is here

I had a lot to say, and I didn't want it to be lost, so I compiled it into a Google Doc to share and format a bit easier using it's means than the means here. It's a long read, but there is sort of a too long didn't read at the end where my thoughts eventually culminate to. I did revise this a few times to correct some mistakes so that it makes more sense.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Azpj4uX23fOPzEosekCtYJXhP8Zrxk7FhlhUECGX0UU

I skimmed over your doc and will read it better soon when I get time.  I am at work right now.  Anyway, I noticed that you mention that nobody in NASA has comforward to spill the beans.  Well, here is a video of a NASA Whistleblower.  There is much more information about NASA whistleblowers if you google the term.  Enjoy the video.

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Has that man ever demonstrated making any of those paintings? Surely they would be worth more than an unedited 14 minute interview devoid of almost any substance. Also, I'd be surprised if modern image analysis would still be fooled by old matte paintings. Certainly, armed with numerous examples of his work to study it would be much easier to uncover the earlier fraudulent pictures.

Do a search on youtube.  You can find his lectures where he presents examples.  Let me know if you can't find any and I will search.  Don't have a lot of time right now.

There seems to be no mention of his name, so I couldn't find the videos you're talking about and while I skipped through that particular series of videos in case there was a link or something, there's no way I'm listening to an hour of a self important windbag droning on and on about a big variety-pack of conspiracy theories from flat earth, to aliens, to chemtrails without once finding a moment to present a measurement, someone else's corroborating account or a single piece of evidence.

There seems to be no mention of his name, so I couldn't find the videos you're talking about and while I skipped through that particular series of videos in case there was a link or something, there's no way I'm listening to an hour of a self important windbag droning on and on about a big variety-pack of conspiracy theories from flat earth, to aliens, to chemtrails without once finding a moment to present a measurement, someone else's corroborating account or a single piece of evidence.

I don't want to instantly come in and stomp on anyone's videos, but watch these two from his channel as well. I saw these two in this order after seeing the first 15 minute of his interview. Tell me what patterns you see. These are two of his first 5 videos from 3 years ago.

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That one awesome chick even expressed that she didn't care if the earth was a plate. To her it's more of the "flexing of the muscle" and to argue "what if it's not that?" I'm not going to say that he's wrong, but his videos I've seen so far do not seem to be there for producing credulous information. It's just for fun it seems. I can accept that, but not for the truth. He's not showing that. Just a good time. Maybe I need more information about him to draw a more accurate analysis, but for now, StarCraft II ... or Diablo III.

Everything you need to know from that video, emphasis mine:

Published on Jul 8, 2012

I worked for NASA and here's the truth, here's my story and the greatest deception the world will ever face: the earth, it's size, it's shape, all images they show you are not the truth... get ready , it's going to be hard to swallow. This is my story as an artist faking your universe. My name is Math powerland.

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Well honestly I did not come here to try and debate with you or FE. Your general postition is quite Italian like. Fake until proven true. I haven't honestly witnessed any from FE ever being to give way and attempt to believe in any of the scientific data that has been made public and fact checked and peer reviewed over and over again. So far as I know, there is nothing we can offer you that you would honestly study except for the main objective of disproving it. Your basis of belief is to disbelieve NASA, the government, and those in charge, so any data we provide from them seems to be, correct me if I'm wrong, near instantly rejected within the contents of one post.

There's honestly nowhere to begin with you on an open, honest discussion in teaching you the truth we have come to accept from RE. How do you tell someone who only believes with the exercise of their 5 senses upon things they observed in their presense away from videos, pictures and documents released via the news, Internet and others something that I've learned from someone else?

I saw fire and it was orange but not an orange. It flowed like water, but was not water. I saw through it like air and cloud, but it was not air nor cloud. Can you not believe me that there is this fire which I saw?

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Published on Jul 8, 2012

I worked for NASA and here's the truth, here's my story and the greatest deception the world will ever face: the earth, it's size, it's shape, all images they show you are not the truth... get ready , it's going to be hard to swallow. This is my story as an artist faking your universe. My name is Math powerland.

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Do a search on youtube.  You can find his lectures where he presents examples.  Let me know if you can't find any and I will search.  Don't have a lot of time right now.

It was a comedy skit. You don't believe the real stuff and you believe the fake stuff. How ironic.

Well honestly I did not come here to try and debate with you or FE. Your general postition is quite Italian like. Fake until proven true. I haven't honestly witnessed any from FE ever being to give way and attempt to believe in any of the scientific data that has been made public and fact checked and peer reviewed over and over again. So far as I know, there is nothing we can offer you that you would honestly study except for the main objective of disproving it. Your basis of belief is to disbelieve NASA, the government, and those in charge, so any data we provide from them seems to be, correct me if I'm wrong, near instantly rejected within the contents of one post.

There's honestly nowhere to begin with you on an open, honest discussion in teaching you the truth we have come to accept from RE. How do you tell someone who only believes with the exercise of their 5 senses upon things they observed in their presense away from videos, pictures and documents released via the news, Internet and others something that I've learned from someone else?

I saw fire and it was orange but not an orange. It flowed like water, but was not water. I saw through it like air and cloud, but it was not air nor cloud. Can you not believe me that there is this fire which I saw?

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Published on Jul 8, 2012

I worked for NASA and here's the truth, here's my story and the greatest deception the world will ever face: the earth, it's size, it's shape, all images they show you are not the truth... get ready , it's going to be hard to swallow. This is my story as an artist faking your universe. My name is Math powerland.

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I do believe you consider me on the other side of the fence

It was a comedy skit. You don't believe the real stuff and you believe the fake stuff. How ironic.

What makes you so sure it is a comedy skit?  He seemed pretty serious to me.  Here is a lecture in front of an audience.  He does not seem like a very good comedian, although me makes them laugh every now and then. 

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Quote from: Starman on April 17, 2014, 05:21:04 PM

It was a comedy skit. You don't believe the real stuff and you believe the fake stuff. How ironic.

What makes you so sure it is a comedy skit?  He seemed pretty serious to me.  Here is a lecture in front of an audience.  He does not seem like a very good comedian, although me makes them laugh every now and then. 

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#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">FLAT EARTH PERCEPTION TEST part 2

"he seemed pretty serious to me"...thats like me saying "the world seems pretty round to me"...

You people don't like him because he is an artist.

Quote from: Starman on April 17, 2014, 05:21:04 PM

It was a comedy skit. You don't believe the real stuff and you believe the fake stuff. How ironic.

What makes you so sure it is a comedy skit?  He seemed pretty serious to me.  Here is a lecture in front of an audience.  He does not seem like a very good comedian, although me makes them laugh every now and then. 

How boutt he fact that HE has it under the comedy category on youtube?

You people don't like him because he is an artist.

Are you serious. There were 6 or 7 of his buddies and that is an audience. Well you really got me when you said he worked for NASA. Maybe we should get together and buy him a shirt. His was torn and too short.

I skimmed over your doc and will read it better soon when I get time.  I am at work right now.  Anyway, I noticed that you mention that nobody in NASA has comforward to spill the beans.  Well, here is a video of a NASA Whistleblower.  There is much more information about NASA whistleblowers if you google the term.  Enjoy the video.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NASA WHISTLE BLOWER IMAGE HOAXSTER

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

Are you serious. There were 6 or 7 of his buddies and that is an audience. Well you really got me when you said he worked for NASA. Maybe we should get together and buy him a shirt. His was torn and too short.

He was a civilian contractor working for NASA as an artist.

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real. 

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What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real.

And how is it any different than what goes on here?

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Quote from: FlatOrange on April 17, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real.

And how is it any different than what goes on here?

People go to him to listen quietly to what he has to say instead of showing up at his lectures just to debate with him. 

Quote from: FlatOrange on April 17, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real.

I can see him drawing concepts but to say he really worked for NASA is another story. Just about anybody can make a video of something like that and there will always be someone that will believe it. You need more than that video to prove he is what he is.

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Quote from: FlatOrange on April 17, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real.

I can see him drawing concepts but to say he really worked for NASA is another story. Just about anybody can make a video of something like that and there will always be someone that will believe it. You need more than that video to prove he is what he is.

I don't have any proof that he worked for NASA.  So, we can either take his word for it or we can believe he is lying.  You people asked for a NASA whistle bower and I delivered. 

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Quote from: jroa on April 17, 2014, 07:16:52 PM

Quote from: FlatOrange on April 17, 2014, 07:04:16 PM

What does he actually say about NASA? I mean does he have something concrete or is he just vague?

In the presentation, he shows a lot of pictures that NASA has tried to pull of as being real.

I can see him drawing concepts but to say he really worked for NASA is another story. Just about anybody can make a video of something like that and there will always be someone that will believe it. You need more than that video to prove he is what he is.

I don't have any proof that he worked for NASA.  So, we can either take his word for it or we can believe he is lying.  You people asked for a NASA whistle bower and I delivered.

You surely did not deliver. Not even close on that one.

You surely did not deliver. Not even close on that one.

Why, because you said so?  You are just full of short cryptic responses today.  You are starting to remind me of inquisitive. 

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You surely did not deliver. Not even close on that one.

Why, because you said so?  You are just full of short cryptic responses today.  You are starting to remind me of inquisitive.

We need to put an end to this disease.

I wish there was a vaccine. 

Tried to find that guy, Math Powerland or Matthew Boylan. His name is not associated with any of NASA's missions, nor is his name associated with NASA in any way.
Sorry to burst your bubble

He was a contractor.  They paid him to be an artist.  Why would he be associated with a mission?  Do you think they list the contractors they hire to repaint an office or rewire some lights?  Do you ever think? 

He was a contractor.  They paid him to be an artist.  Why would he be associated with a mission?  Do you think they list the contractors they hire to repaint an office or rewire some lights?  Do you ever think?

Do you think he would have access to knowledge of how NASA works or it's policies and details of projects. He looks more like a liar for attention.

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He was a contractor.  They paid him to be an artist.  Why would he be associated with a mission?  Do you think they list the contractors they hire to repaint an office or rewire some lights?  Do you ever think?

Do you think he would have access to knowledge of how NASA works or it's policies and details of projects. He looks more like a liar for attention.

So, now your evidence is that he is a liar-liar-pants-on-fire?  Oh my God.  He told you in the interview, he was given small pieces of information while they were in the process of recruiting him after he had been a contractor for years, presumably to see how he would react.