Flat Earth Map

Can anyone provide a more or less accurate map of the flat earth? Because it is proven that your unipolar projection map is anything but accurate. And if the Earth was flat, it shouldn't be difficult to do it , right?

Can anyone provide a more or less accurate map of the flat earth? Because it is proven that your unipolar projection map is anything but accurate. And if the Earth was flat, it shouldn't be difficult to do it , right?

There no such thing as an accurate FE map or even close to it. 

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Can't produce a flat map of spherical earth, because one is flat and the other sphereical.  We can produce maps that are accurate enough for navigation and practical applications.  We can produce accurate globes, since they share the same shape.  If the earth was flat, it would be easy to produce an accurate flat map, since they share the same shape,

We're able to produce an accurate model of the round earth, but you are unable to produce an accurate model of the flat earth.  No double standard there.     

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 07:05:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

Because a globe large enough to see the detail necessary for navigation would be far too large to be practical to put into a vehicle.  So we comprise by using projection maps which give us a good enough representation of the earth.  Maps are easily stored and don't take up much space, making them more practical for everyday use. 

Why do I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kindergartners?

So, in conclusion, all maps are Flat Earth maps, am I right? 

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 07:07:04 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 07:05:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

Because a globe large enough to see the detail necessary for navigation would be far too large to be practical to put into a vehicle.  So we comprise by using projection maps which give us a good enough representation of the earth.  Maps are easily stored and don't take up much space, making them more practical for everyday use. 

Why do I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kindergartners?

Who's we?
You don't do anything. What you mean is, they tell you or you read about it that they use the flat map of a globe to navigate. And you being kindergarten minded, simply just swallow it up like a lovingly made up packed lunch with milk.

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 07:05:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

Airlines fly by the use of global data that is accurate. They don't lay on the floor a whole bunch of maps and measure it. By most part modern airlines don't use flat maps anymore. All the information is in their flight computer and based on a global model.

So, in conclusion, all maps are Flat Earth maps, am I right?

Well, maps are flat, and they're maps of the earth, so they are flat maps of earth.   Or "flat, earth maps" if you will. 

Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 07:18:14 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 07:07:04 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 07:05:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

Because a globe large enough to see the detail necessary for navigation would be far too large to be practical to put into a vehicle.  So we comprise by using projection maps which give us a good enough representation of the earth.  Maps are easily stored and don't take up much space, making them more practical for everyday use. 

Why do I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kindergartners?

Who's we?
You don't do anything. What you mean is, they tell you or you read about it that they use the flat map of a globe to navigate. And you being kindergarten minded, simply just swallow it up like a lovingly made up packed lunch with milk.

I've used a map to navigate.  I got to where I needed to go.  I drove right off the edge of one map and had to switch to another.  I didn't fall off the edge of the earth. 

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 07:07:04 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 10, 2014, 07:05:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 07:03:04 AM

There is no such thing as an accurate RE map, yet you hold us to higher standards than you hold your own scientists.  The hypocrisy...

Yes there is. How far is the distance from cape town to Sydney on your flat map?

The same distance it is on your flat map. You don't navigate using any globe.

Airlines fly by the use of global data that is accurate. They don't lay on the floor a whole bunch of maps and measure it. By most part modern airlines don't use flat maps anymore. All the information is in their flight computer and based on a global model.

It doesn't matter. They still don't know they are navigating a global route. It's a simple set zig zag pattern depending on destination or a direct route set out. They just simple follow the co-ordinates set out, just like anyone else does.

It would be a bit difficult setting your compass to an orienteering map of a glove, just as a plane would have difficulty following one even without digital aids.

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce. 

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce. 

So, how exactly do you come to the conclusion that the Earth is round based on these flat maps? 

Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce. 

So, how exactly do you come to the conclusion that the Earth is round based on these flat maps?

My conclusion that the Earth is round and the existence of flat maps are unrelated. 

Perhaps you should re-examine the two. 

So, in conclusion, all maps are Flat Earth maps, am I right?

Of course they are. But they are all made from a projection of a globe with usually some notation as to the type of projection, such as Mercator, Unipolar , Bipolar, etc. with the consequent distortion.

As has been pointed  out ad ifiinitum, ad nauseum on this website, the so-called Flat Earth Map is just a copy of a Unipolar Projection of a globe with the obvious distortion south of the equator.

In reality, there is no such thing as a Flat Earth Map of the entire world. There is no such thing as the Ice Ring or The Canopy. But keep in mind after all this is The Flat Earth Society Forum Website.  LOL !

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce.

So, back to jroa's point, you expect us (inexperienced cartographers) to produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a flat Earth - when you can't even do the same with a round Earth?

They don't have it, because the only one they had was the one that lead the woman to the edge of the earth, and like her "pictures" it was "exposed" and they lost it

They don't have it, because the only one they had was the one that lead the woman to the edge of the earth, and like her "pictures" it was "exposed" and they lost it

Stay on topic.
No need to make silly jokes.
This is a serious debate.

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 10, 2014, 10:10:07 AM

They don't have it, because the only one they had was the one that lead the woman to the edge of the earth, and like her "pictures" it was "exposed" and they lost it

Stay on topic.
No need to make silly jokes.
This is a serious debate.

Actually it's not, it's Q&A. There was a question, i had an answer.

But seriously, you don't really need to be "professional" cartographer to make a map, you just need to do some travel, say form NYC to London, and  brazil to the east coast of africa. I believe, according to the existing map, you should hit the north pole in at least one of those voyages, you can calculate how long it takes based on the speed you're travelling (i'd recommend boat so you can do some more accurate drawings)

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 10:11:34 AM

Quote from: RandomREalist on April 10, 2014, 10:10:07 AM

They don't have it, because the only one they had was the one that lead the woman to the edge of the earth, and like her "pictures" it was "exposed" and they lost it

Stay on topic.
No need to make silly jokes.
This is a serious debate.

Actually it's not, it's Q&A. There was a question, i had an answer.

But seriously, you don't really need to be "professional" cartographer to make a map, you just need to do some travel, say form NYC to London, and  brazil to the east coast of africa. I believe, according to the existing map, you should hit the north pole in at least one of those voyages, you can calculate how long it takes based on the speed you're travelling (i'd recommend boat so you can do some more accurate drawings)

Maps are already accurate.
Use any projection of the world you'd like.
Why would I travel the world noting distances between places when I would probably have to use a map to navigate those places anyway?

Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce.

So, back to jroa's point, you expect us (inexperienced cartographers) to produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a flat Earth - when you can't even do the same with a round Earth?

Well, I can't produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a round Earth with maps being flat and the earth being round and all.  I'm not asking you to produce an entirely to-scale accurate globe of a flat earth, see the difference there?    I can produce an entirely to-scale accurate model of a round Earth:

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 10, 2014, 10:07:02 AM

Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce.

So, back to jroa's point, you expect us (inexperienced cartographers) to produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a flat Earth - when you can't even do the same with a round Earth?

Well, I can't produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a round Earth with maps being flat and the earth being round and all.  I'm not asking you to produce an entirely to-scale accurate globe of a flat earth, see the difference there?    I can produce an entirely to-scale accurate model of a round Earth:

That looks much too spherical to be entirely accurate and to-scale.

Quote from: HeeHaw on April 10, 2014, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 10, 2014, 08:29:45 AM

I bet that map was flat, amirte?

And this proves what exactly?  It also had an edge and that didn't correspond with the edge of the earth.  It was a map - a navigational aid - not a scale model of the earth, which is something, by the way, that FE's are unable to produce.

So, back to jroa's point, you expect us (inexperienced cartographers) to produce an entirely to-scale accurate map of a flat Earth - when you can't even do the same with a round Earth?

There is - it's called a globe.

You can also use Google maps nowadays.  If you don't know where to find it: it's on the internet.

I thought your Earth was an oblate spheroid?

I thought your Earth was an oblate spheroid?

So?

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 10, 2014, 10:49:40 AM

I thought your Earth was an oblate spheroid?

So?

So why are you putting a globe up. Put your oblate spheroid world up. You are adamant on accuracy aren't you?