Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #120 on: April 14, 2014, 08:00:58 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians scared the crap out of the world by pretending to put a football with 4 radio aerials into space. Lol

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« Reply #121 on: April 14, 2014, 08:12:43 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians scared the crap out of the world by pretending to put a football with 4 radio aerials into space. Lol
It did. That started the space race and the cold war.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #122 on: April 14, 2014, 08:21:44 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians scared the crap out of the world by pretending to put a football with 4 radio aerials into space. Lol
It did. That started the space race and the cold war.
You are old enough not to be so naive but you appear to be quite comfortable with being that way.
I am seriously, seriously dumbfounded why people like you can't see past all of this and see it for the absolute nonsense that it really is.
Is there absolutely nothing in life that you question against what your are offically told to accept and believe?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #123 on: April 14, 2014, 08:29:41 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians scared the crap out of the world by pretending to put a football with 4 radio aerials into space. Lol
It did. That started the space race and the cold war.
You are old enough not to be so naive but you appear to be quite comfortable with being that way.
I am seriously, seriously dumbfounded why people like you can't see past all of this and see it for the absolute nonsense that it really is.
Is there absolutely nothing in life that you question against what your are offically told to accept and believe?
I do remember what I was young when Yuri Gagarin went is space. It was on the news and paper. They used a improved ICBM rocket to put him in space. There is no reason to believe technology come to a grinding halt. Look at cars, airplanes, trains and ships. They all have progress to bigger, faster and more efficient. Do you think rocket science technology stopped in 1957?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #124 on: April 14, 2014, 08:49:17 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians scared the crap out of the world by pretending to put a football with 4 radio aerials into space. Lol
It did. That started the space race and the cold war.
You are old enough not to be so naive but you appear to be quite comfortable with being that way.
I am seriously, seriously dumbfounded why people like you can't see past all of this and see it for the absolute nonsense that it really is.
Is there absolutely nothing in life that you question against what your are offically told to accept and believe?
I do remember what I was young when Yuri Gagarin went is space. It was on the news and paper. They used a improved ICBM rocket to put him in space. There is no reason to believe technology come to a grinding halt. Look at cars, airplanes, trains and ships. They all have progress to bigger, faster and more efficient. Do you think rocket science technology stopped in 1957?
No, I don't suppose it did stop in 1957...but it certainly went backwards when compared to today.
They used a Saturn V to go to the moon, allegedly and then changed to a shuttle as a supposed leap forward, only for the supposed re-usable shuttle to cost more than the Saturn V , pound for pound and payload, yet they are now at the stage of using Russain rockets to take supposed Astronauts into space and returning them via a capsule and parachute, landing them onto hard ground, using a supposed exploding under carriage to arrest their fall. That's some leap forward, don't you think.  ;D

It's like giving your son a Ferrari for his birthday, then your next son comes along and you buy him a model T ford. It's ridiculous and should be seen for what it all is...yet here we are in 2014 with internet and the ablity to scrutinise things and yet people like you are still doe eyed over the so called advancement of science that's going backwards.

It's cringeworthy.

It's like the mars mission decades ago when they dropped a rover on mars, allegedly. How did they do it? They parachuted it down in a virtual vacuum, then released the lander surrounded by frigging balloons in a virtual vacuum, to bounce around the surface, then deflate, then out pops a rover to roam about and still communicate up until lately.

Not too long ago they go and land one again, only this time an untested crane type after a parachute drop; retro rockets fire, then a crane drops the rover gently to the ground; releases the bables, only for the retro rocket to thrust upwards and crash land well away from the rover, then off it goes with it's super camera's and JCB digger attachment, only this time an even bigger deal is made of this one, whilst the decades ago one was given a few scoops of news coverage.

They are still doing silly balloon jumps to test space suits, even though in 1969, men could dance about the moon and fall over without worrying about tearing them. There should be no need to test anything out any further, should they. It all works perfect doesn't it?

The so called space program hasn't just went terribly backwards, the space program actors who feed you this stuff, plus the people that employ them to carry it off; actually take you lot for being backward and who can blame them. I mean look at you all. You sit there and argue it's validity when your own frigging common sense should be kicking right in to tell you just what it all is. A joke.

The topic sums you up. A belief so STRONG, it clouds your judgement, because you can't seem to see when you're getting the absolute piss ripped right out of you.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #125 on: April 14, 2014, 09:03:22 AM »
And still you cannot understand or explain satellite communication or navigation.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #126 on: April 14, 2014, 09:12:56 AM »
And still you cannot understand or explain satellite communication or navigation.
There is something seriously wrong with you. Did someone buy you a lego satellite for christmas or something?
Your infatuation with satellites is bordering on the ridiculous, made worse by the fact that you know absolutely nothing about them and have never even put up a reason for their existence, except to say, "well how do satellites work then for our TV and GPS."
When someone tells you, you say, " so how can they point into the sky then, it proves satellites are there."
This is all you do, no matter what thread it is.
If a thread was about watch design, you would find a way to add a frigging satellite into it.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #127 on: April 14, 2014, 09:34:47 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point? 

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #128 on: April 14, 2014, 09:46:11 AM »
And still you cannot understand or explain satellite communication or navigation.
There is something seriously wrong with you. Did someone buy you a lego satellite for christmas or something?
Your infatuation with satellites is bordering on the ridiculous, made worse by the fact that you know absolutely nothing about them and have never even put up a reason for their existence, except to say, "well how do satellites work then for our TV and GPS."
When someone tells you, you say, " so how can they point into the sky then, it proves satellites are there."
This is all you do, no matter what thread it is.
If a thread was about watch design, you would find a way to add a frigging satellite into it.  ;D ;D ;D
There is loads of professional technical documentation on them, look it up and talk to people who work in the industry. All lies?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #129 on: April 14, 2014, 09:48:16 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #130 on: April 14, 2014, 10:03:47 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?

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« Reply #131 on: April 14, 2014, 10:07:53 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum. 

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #132 on: April 14, 2014, 10:08:48 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #133 on: April 14, 2014, 10:10:18 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #134 on: April 14, 2014, 10:13:14 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.

Why don't TV satellites just use frequencies that don't require a dish, like GPS?  It would make sense. 

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #135 on: April 14, 2014, 10:15:08 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?
You know exactly what I mean. You can't answer can you? That's because you haven't a clue.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #136 on: April 14, 2014, 10:43:39 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.

Why don't TV satellites just use frequencies that don't require a dish, like GPS?  It would make sense.
It's about coverage and the need to transmit 600 tv channels v. a small bit of data to find your location.  TV needs higher frequencies of 10GHz to get the bandwidth and needs a dish to amplify the low power signals.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #137 on: April 14, 2014, 10:44:42 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?
You know exactly what I mean. You can't answer can you? That's because you haven't a clue.
Any links to receiving satellite tv in cars.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #138 on: April 14, 2014, 10:47:31 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.

Why don't TV satellites just use frequencies that don't require a dish, like GPS?  It would make sense.
It's about coverage and the need to transmit 600 tv channels v. a small bit of data to find your location.  TV needs higher frequencies of 10GHz to get the bandwidth and needs a dish to amplify the low power signals.

What?  Frequency and bandwidth are two different things. 

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« Reply #139 on: April 14, 2014, 11:04:53 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.
It is about having a frequency to give the coverage required and enough bandwidth for all the channels transmitted.

Why don't TV satellites just use frequencies that don't require a dish, like GPS?  It would make sense.
It's about coverage and the need to transmit 600 tv channels v. a small bit of data to find your location.  TV needs higher frequencies of 10GHz to get the bandwidth and needs a dish to amplify the low power signals.

What?  Frequency and bandwidth are two different things.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #140 on: April 14, 2014, 11:09:06 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?
You know exactly what I mean. You can't answer can you? That's because you haven't a clue.
Any links to receiving satellite tv in cars.
Here. You can do it on the move too. What do you have to say about this Mr expert. I'm sure you've got some bull crap for me. Spit it out.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #141 on: April 14, 2014, 11:18:26 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.

Quit telling people to look it up.  This is a discussion forum, not a look it up forum.
Different frequencies, orbits, bandwidth and height.
It is about having a frequency to give the coverage required and enough bandwidth for all the channels transmitted.

Why don't TV satellites just use frequencies that don't require a dish, like GPS?  It would make sense.
It's about coverage and the need to transmit 600 tv channels v. a small bit of data to find your location.  TV needs higher frequencies of 10GHz to get the bandwidth and needs a dish to amplify the low power signals.

What?  Frequency and bandwidth are two different things.

Why do you quote people with out saying anything? 

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #142 on: April 14, 2014, 11:38:53 AM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?
You know exactly what I mean. You can't answer can you? That's because you haven't a clue.
Any links to receiving satellite tv in cars.
Here. You can do it on the move too. What do you have to say about this Mr expert. I'm sure you've got some bull crap for me. Spit it out.
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Relatively simply with some motors and some tracking software, all it needs to do is maintain a lock within a narrow range of the satellite.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #143 on: April 14, 2014, 11:47:34 AM »

Relatively simply with some motors and some tracking software, all it needs to do is maintain a lock within a narrow range of the satellite.
Yes, of course. I mean, tracking software. So what does this do? Does it immediately spin the dish to the right angle even if you about turn.
Why you people hang onto this pure load of baloney is astonishing. One minute you touch your dish at home, ever so slightly and bang, your picture is totally gone.
Go in your car and drive anywhere, any way and no problem. No problem with your film or whatever.

I refuse to believe that you people are this naive, all the time. I simply refuse to believe it. There has to be another reason. You have to be paid to do it.

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« Reply #144 on: April 14, 2014, 12:08:17 PM »

Relatively simply with some motors and some tracking software, all it needs to do is maintain a lock within a narrow range of the satellite.
Yes, of course. I mean, tracking software. So what does this do? Does it immediately spin the dish to the right angle even if you about turn.
Why you people hang onto this pure load of baloney is astonishing. One minute you touch your dish at home, ever so slightly and bang, your picture is totally gone.
Go in your car and drive anywhere, any way and no problem. No problem with your film or whatever.

I refuse to believe that you people are this naive, all the time. I simply refuse to believe it. There has to be another reason. You have to be paid to do it.
You can buy the product and it works.  Why not either accept it or come up with a better explanation.

Are you OK with signals going down tiny strands of glass?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #145 on: April 14, 2014, 12:24:40 PM »

Relatively simply with some motors and some tracking software, all it needs to do is maintain a lock within a narrow range of the satellite.
Yes, of course. I mean, tracking software. So what does this do? Does it immediately spin the dish to the right angle even if you about turn.
Why you people hang onto this pure load of baloney is astonishing. One minute you touch your dish at home, ever so slightly and bang, your picture is totally gone.
Go in your car and drive anywhere, any way and no problem. No problem with your film or whatever.

I refuse to believe that you people are this naive, all the time. I simply refuse to believe it. There has to be another reason. You have to be paid to do it.

The design of the dish appears to be different, and larger, than what youd have at your house. They appear to be taking up most of the roof of an SVU, so it might be as simple as lifting one end or the other up slightly. I've never said that "touching" a dish at hoe would knock it out. moving it more than a degree or two? sure, but that's more than a touch, typically.

And I never believed there was someone as paranoid and diluted all the time.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #146 on: April 14, 2014, 12:29:11 PM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
Look up the difference between satellites for broadcast TV and for GPS. Then understand why a GPS receiver does not need a dish.
Why don't you tell me why a car doesn't need one to watch so called satellite TV?
A car watches TV?  Or do you mean watching satellite tv in a car. Do you?
You know exactly what I mean. You can't answer can you? That's because you haven't a clue.
Any links to receiving satellite tv in cars.
Here. You can do it on the move too. What do you have to say about this Mr expert. I'm sure you've got some bull crap for me. Spit it out.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Satellite TV In Car
Not crap to me what do you want to know?

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #147 on: April 14, 2014, 12:31:36 PM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
You don't need a dish for GPS. GPS satellites are in low orbit.

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Re: Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?
« Reply #148 on: April 14, 2014, 12:42:16 PM »

Relatively simply with some motors and some tracking software, all it needs to do is maintain a lock within a narrow range of the satellite.
Yes, of course. I mean, tracking software. So what does this do? Does it immediately spin the dish to the right angle even if you about turn.
Why you people hang onto this pure load of baloney is astonishing. One minute you touch your dish at home, ever so slightly and bang, your picture is totally gone.
Go in your car and drive anywhere, any way and no problem. No problem with your film or whatever.

I refuse to believe that you people are this naive, all the time. I simply refuse to believe it. There has to be another reason. You have to be paid to do it.
Have you noticed many years ago satellite dishes were 10 feet in diameter. Now they are only 18 inches. The satellites for TV transmit more power and the LNA (receiver) are more sensitive. As the frequencies get higher the smaller the antenna need to be. Do you think it would be impossible to have Sat TV in your car with time. You are falling back with technology.

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« Reply #149 on: April 14, 2014, 11:35:16 PM »
How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Where does the dish on your GPS receiver point?
You don't need a dish for GPS. GPS satellites are in low orbit.

Low orbit or high orbit makes no difference.  Are you saying that more vacuum space between the satellite and the receiver somehow blocks the signal?  Do you even understand the basics of the EM wave propagation?