Can a belief be so strong it clouds your vision?

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 02:54:20 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:16:27 AM

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

I could be wrong but I thought tv comes from geostationary satellite.
So if the earth is spinning at 1670km/h at the equator and the satellite is 35,000 km away in space how fast does it now travel to keep up with my tv?
What is this invisible string that holds this satellite in this position at this incredible distance at high speed in line with my tv?
You must be a fan of Arthur C Clarke.

Yes, it's clever.  Look up how it works, more details online, quicker than writing here.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:10:59 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 02:54:20 PM

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:16:27 AM

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

I could be wrong but I thought tv comes from geostationary satellite.
So if the earth is spinning at 1670km/h at the equator and the satellite is 35,000 km away in space how fast does it now travel to keep up with my tv?
What is this invisible string that holds this satellite in this position at this incredible distance at high speed in line with my tv?
You must be a fan of Arthur C Clarke.

Yes, it's clever.  Look up how it works, more details online, quicker than writing here.

So whether the satellite is geostationary approximately 40,000 km's away or geosynchronous 80,000 km's all satellites are falling around the earth held in this fixed trajectory, really?

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 13, 2014, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

What do you know about them, agree they are used for navigation, communication etc.?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 14, 2014, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 13, 2014, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

What do you know about them, agree they are used for navigation, communication etc.?

I know no more than I've been told.
They may be, but surely are not where we are told, doing what we are told that they do.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 14, 2014, 01:18:21 AM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

What do you know about them, agree they are used for navigation, communication etc.?

I know no more than I've been told.
They may be, but surely are not where we are told, doing what we are told that they do.

How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Quote from: inquisitive on April 14, 2014, 01:23:10 AM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

What do you know about them, agree they are used for navigation, communication etc.?

I know no more than I've been told.
They may be, but surely are not where we are told, doing what we are told that they do.

How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Mr. Bishop used to speak of "stratellites".

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 14, 2014, 01:23:10 AM

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Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

What do you know about them, agree they are used for navigation, communication etc.?

I know no more than I've been told.
They may be, but surely are not where we are told, doing what we are told that they do.

How can they not be where we are told, that is where dishes point to?  What else transmits their signals?

Mr. Bishop used to speak of "stratellites".

People in the industry build and operate satellites, there is no doubt.

Lie about what, these people design and build satellites and we have dishes pointing at them. Explain how we get live tv news from war zones.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 14, 2014, 01:44:13 AM

Lie about what, these people design and build satellites and we have dishes pointing at them. Explain how we get live tv news from war zones.

Lie about high up they are and how they are made.
Not sure how the question about war zones is relevant.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 14, 2014, 01:48:21 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 14, 2014, 01:44:13 AM

Lie about what, these people design and build satellites and we have dishes pointing at them. Explain how we get live tv news from war zones.

Lie about high up they are and how they are made.
Not sure how the question about war zones is relevant.

Please explain how we get satellite tv.

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h...

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Quote from: Starman on April 11, 2014, 06:16:27 AM

The earth is not rotating that fast. The speed at the equator is 1000mph. The geosynchronous satellite is moving much faster than the earth on the surface but fast enough it will away be in a fix location. It is like you put a stone at the end of a long string and you swung around you. Your hand will be swinging with the stone but the stone is moving faster. The stone will always be facing your hand.

I could be wrong but I thought tv comes from geostationary satellite.
So if the earth is spinning at 1670km/h at the equator and the satellite is 35,000 km away in space how fast does it now travel to keep up with my tv?
What is this invisible string that holds this satellite in this position at this incredible distance at high speed in line with my tv?
You must be a fan of Arthur C Clarke.

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 13, 2014, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Actually Ham operators have build satellites and have them piggyback on larger satellite. http://ww2.amsat.org/

Quote from: Starman on April 14, 2014, 04:23:37 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 13, 2014, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Actually Ham operators have build satellites and have them piggyback on larger satellite. http://ww2.amsat.org/

You really believe that little cube sits on some satellite don't you? Sometimes I wonder whether it's you lot that are taking the urine...then I realise that you are deadly serious. Naivety is a plague of human nature.

Friends of mine use the satellite as repeaters. That is what it is used for. If you fail to see the truth that is not my problem.

Quote from: Starman on April 14, 2014, 05:16:59 AM

Friends of mine use the satellite as repeaters. That is what it is used for. If you fail to see the truth that is not my problem.

When the real truth comes out I'll let you know. In the meantime, tell your friends to keep aiming at this cube. 

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:50:37 PM

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Quote from: inquisitive on April 13, 2014, 03:39:06 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 13, 2014, 03:35:31 PM

And then some of these satellites travel at 1,600 km/h, some travel at 27,000 km/h. A space shuttle approaches uses a jet blast to manoeuvre by pushing against something but what it pushes against does not change the speed of the satellite.
And I get constant tv.
Yeh right.

It's called technology. Learn about it, have you not wondered before how it works?

Its a red herring written by Arthur C Clarke.

Explain how satellite communications works.

How would I know. I have not got one.
I can go now and Google the answer. Then come back and parrot to you what you can parrot to me.
I have told you before, I don't deny the existence of satellites I just don't believe they fly around a ball the way we are told.

Pointless discussing this if you do not understand, for whatever reason, how they work.

So, I'm assuming you'd be able to build a satellite, launch it into orbit successfully, and operate it?
Tell me what you mean exactly by "how satellites work"?

Actually Ham operators have build satellites and have them piggyback on larger satellite. http://ww2.amsat.org/

You really believe that little cube sits on some satellite don't you? Sometimes I wonder whether it's you lot that are taking the urine...then I realise that you are deadly serious. Naivety is a plague of human nature.