Denpressure fails again.

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« Reply #390 on: April 10, 2014, 08:21:48 PM »
I want to start a band called Denpressure. Maybe Scepti can get us gigs in his home country of North Korea since his dad was a high level official and he says they are not oppressed and it's a pretty cool place.

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« Reply #391 on: April 11, 2014, 03:04:39 AM »
It stemmed from your statement that air has no weight.  As to whether it's relevant?  Hmmm...
Remember one thing. Weight of anything is only relevant to what we read on a scale or what we feel as a force if we pick up any dense object. If you hold your hand out, you never say that you have any weight in it and for that reason air to you weighs nothing until you actually see the effects of that nothing. Basically it is NOT relevant to this experiment, at all.
You would have to allow for it in your experiment, as it could skew results slightly.
It won't skew any results as at all. The scales are inside the chamber and the air is pushed out of the chamber so it totally negates it. It's the scales and object in a partially evacuated chamber, meaning a small insignificant amount of pressure.
The scales before you do the evacuation are calibrated to the additional weight of the air inside the chamber (though it would be small). Obviously you cannot, nor should you recalibrate scales after you have evacuated the chamber.  For this reason, you must use scales that can read a negative weight, to cover all eventualities.
Once you put the scales inside the chamber, you will note 1kg (for instance) plus the weight of your object upon that scale plate. you can see that through the chamber before you evacuate pressure, so you know what it reads.
You would first need to do the experiment without your block of wood.  You would need to put the scales in the chamber, calibrate to zero and then evacuate the chamber to see what impact is has upon the scales.  A control as it were.  Then repeat with your block of wood - calibrate to zero in normal environment, put block on scales and then evacuate.  You can then account for any differences from your control experiment. 
You can do various experiments, as you say. You can put the scales inside the chamber set at say, 1 kg, then see what happens to the scale on its own when you evacuate the chamber. Whatever the reading says, you then know what to add to the scales in calibration to bring it back to 1 kg under evacuation once again. From that point you can then put your object inside and evacuate and read the difference.
The other way is to simply put the 1kg added scale and objects weight into the chamber and evacuate.
Just vary it all with different objects of different densities and log it all down, then let's see your results. I'm not after arguing with you, I'm only after gaining honest results to tests. I think we all deserve real answers.
Personally I would expect different results than you would, from our different beliefs.  I would expect (backed up with anecdotal evidence) that actually the scales would INCREASE slightly in the control experiment and the block of wood would also weigh ever so slightly more, as air creates a slight buoyancy - lack of it would make things record a higher weight, albeit a very small increase. 
Then this should be an interesting test for you. Good luck.
Conversely, you would expect your results to show a decrease in weight as you believe atmospheric pressure pushes things downward, creating "weight". It would be a interesting one to carry out - I even found myself asking about getting access to some equipment today, but I think it's unlikely.
Try your best to gain access if you can. Equally you can try an alternative method if you live near a sky scraper that you can access the roof from and take a set of scales and a few objects up there. It will be minor differences but a small set of delicate, digital scales would aid you.
Lastly, we may differ in what we think - but I don't get narky with you or anyone else, I maintain civility.  Do you think you could now please stop with the veiled insults you have thrown my way? To mind so far, weak, tedious, arrogant, game playing,  "sad as hell", and having attitude.  I am not interested in trading insults.  Thanks  ;)
I'm not getting narky with you. I'm simply trying to keep you thinking for yourself and hoping you don't get swayed by the others. I think you have the potential to be a good flat Earth theorist, as long as you stay strong and use your own thoughts. All you need is to open your mind a little bit and you will see how mainstream science has moved to manipulate your thoughts. We've all had it done to us, it just takes a strong mind to look past it and see a different take on how we are told things are.

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« Reply #392 on: April 11, 2014, 03:07:10 AM »
I did the first time. You immediately responded by attempting to beg out of answering them due to a perceived attitude problem on my part. My questions are straightforward, don't involve the numbers you are afraid of, and are relevant to your Denpressure hypothesis.
I asked you to put your questions to me in a civil manner. How you answer is different...but I expect you to put them to me without trying to be clever to impress all your weak internet friends.

If you want to put the questions to me without all the childish silliness, then I'll be happy to answer them. If not, then there's nothing else to say on the matter.

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« Reply #393 on: April 11, 2014, 03:22:57 AM »
Your explanation above mentions an unoticable powerful gust of wind that shoves a person forward when they stop suddenly, which sounds more like inertia, and you seem to be saying a person is pushed toward the ground because they have less surface area vertically than horizontally.  Is that right?  What about a cube or ball with equal vertical vs horizontal surface area?  You didn't really explain why it only pushes downward.
Yes it does sound like your inertia, only your inertia has no actual reasoning for why it happens. It's simply all pressure on any dense object in either direction. That's why I mentioned a person running is always creating a push against the atmosphere in front (action)  and the atmosphere is creating a barrier (friction) against the body, which pushes it out of the way (action) and in doing so, it always leaves a low pressure void behind until that pushed away pressure gets squeezed back behind the person by the pressure around and above it all. The runner is always ahead of the low pressure with each step, until he suddenly stops abruptly, in which case he allows the pressure to equalise quickly, meaning the low pressure at the back is immediately turned to equalised pressure upon him, and kicks him forward as it equalises, creating the inertia you talk about. You can stick to inertia as long as you know that it's the result of denpressure and not the result of some unknown force.
You said air molecules and atoms grow and change shape so there is no empty 'vaccuum' between them.  If one starts sucking air out of a vaccuum chamber, at what point can we expect the air molecules to be big enough to see?
The best observation is to look down a long road on a very hot day. You see agitated molecules coming from the road, so far into the air and it creates a translucent effect to your eyes due to expanding molecules being pushed up.
Pushing air out of an evacuation chamber is not going to make you see anything, in fact it's the opposite as your eyes would see less. I think this might pass you buy as it's going to be hard to explain to you when you're so dead set against wanting to understand it.

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« Reply #394 on: April 11, 2014, 03:28:04 AM »
I want to start a band called Denpressure. Maybe Scepti can get us gigs in his home country of North Korea since his dad was a high level official and he says they are not oppressed and it's a pretty cool place.
I'll even manage you. Tell me what you need in terms of kit and I'll supply it and get you gigs sorted out in the clubs over there.
I need a song about me as your first hit. Call it something like Dong is the king and Dong is a genius. Just add stuff lke that in.
Also let it be known that denpressure is my genius theory and how much you all love me for getting to the truth and making you see the light.
You can bow to my statue and come over to the alternative thinking side. You are now a flat Earth theorist. You are now a flat Earth theorist. Remember this and do not weaken ever again. From this day forward, your life will be more purposeful.

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« Reply #395 on: April 11, 2014, 03:42:18 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?

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« Reply #396 on: April 11, 2014, 03:46:06 AM »
I want to start a band called Denpressure. Maybe Scepti can get us gigs in his home country of North Korea since his dad was a high level official and he says they are not oppressed and it's a pretty cool place.
I'll even manage you. Tell me what you need in terms of kit and I'll supply it and get you gigs sorted out in the clubs over there.
I need a song about me as your first hit. Call it something like Dong is the king and Dong is a genius. Just add stuff lke that in.
Also let it be known that denpressure is my genius theory and how much you all love me for getting to the truth and making you see the light.
You can bow to my statue and come over to the alternative thinking side. You are now a flat Earth theorist. You are now a flat Earth theorist. Remember this and do not weaken ever again. From this day forward, your life will be more purposeful.

I have to admit your Denpressure theory is spot on! I don't know how you came up with it, but it is absolutely correct and revolutionary! I discussed it with my colleagues and we all agreed it is correct and should fair well in proper testing.

I am in the beginning stages of the band. I am the guitarist and songwriter and have 23 songs written. How hard is it to get gigs over there if you mange us?
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« Reply #397 on: April 11, 2014, 03:46:31 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.

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« Reply #398 on: April 11, 2014, 03:49:21 AM »
I want to start a band called Denpressure. Maybe Scepti can get us gigs in his home country of North Korea since his dad was a high level official and he says they are not oppressed and it's a pretty cool place.
I'll even manage you. Tell me what you need in terms of kit and I'll supply it and get you gigs sorted out in the clubs over there.
I need a song about me as your first hit. Call it something like Dong is the king and Dong is a genius. Just add stuff lke that in.
Also let it be known that denpressure is my genius theory and how much you all love me for getting to the truth and making you see the light.
You can bow to my statue and come over to the alternative thinking side. You are now a flat Earth theorist. You are now a flat Earth theorist. Remember this and do not weaken ever again. From this day forward, your life will be more purposeful.

I have to admit your Denpressure theory is spot on! I don't know how you cam up with it, but it is absolutely correct and revolutionary! I am in the beginning stages of the band. I am the guitarist and songwriter and have 23 songs written. How hard is it to get gigs over there is you mange us?
Quite easy when I'm your manager because the ladies all know me and my family. They will go crazy when they know there's a Dong in the building, backed up by his new group, "The denpressure crew."
You'll all be musical heroes and they will be bopping and dancing away to your music in no time.

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« Reply #399 on: April 11, 2014, 03:53:07 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.
Wake up scepti.  How many people are smarter than you?

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« Reply #400 on: April 11, 2014, 03:54:05 AM »
Will it be easy to get us visas to play there? Are the chicks hot and do they put out?

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« Reply #401 on: April 11, 2014, 03:55:50 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.
Wake up scepti.  How many people are smarter than you?
Nobody is smarter than me. Nobody is less smarter than me. We are all smart in our own ways. You are even smart.
One man he felt smart, two men they felt smart, three men they felt smart and they all felt smart together.

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« Reply #402 on: April 11, 2014, 03:58:21 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.
Wake up scepti.  How many people are smarter than you?
Nobody is smarter than me. Nobody is less smarter than me. We are all smart in our own ways. You are even smart.
One man he felt smart, two men they felt smart, three men they felt smart and they all felt smart together.
Then we are all geniuses and we are all going to get a Nobel prize.

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« Reply #403 on: April 11, 2014, 03:59:04 AM »
Will it be easy to get us visas to play there? Are the chicks hot and do they put out?
I can get you anything you want. The females are lovely and very smart. I won't degrade them by your choice of words about putting out.
If you choose to fall in love with a girl, then treat her special and never raise a hand against her in temper.
I am your trump card, because once people know you have a Dong with you, you are made.

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« Reply #404 on: April 11, 2014, 04:00:17 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.
Wake up scepti.  How many people are smarter than you?
Nobody is smarter than me. Nobody is less smarter than me. We are all smart in our own ways. You are even smart.
One man he felt smart, two men they felt smart, three men they felt smart and they all felt smart together.
Then we are all geniuses and we are all going to get a Nobel prize.
If you so desire it you can also make one. Mine is stood on my shelf in full view of everyone that walks into the huge room.

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« Reply #405 on: April 11, 2014, 04:07:25 AM »
Since there aren't many American bands there, can we get the Great Leader to come to our gigs?

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« Reply #406 on: April 11, 2014, 04:09:39 AM »
Since there aren't many American bands there, can we get the Great Leader to come to our gigs?
I'm not that powerful. If he takes a liking to your music he could summon you to his place and have you play for him on special occasions. That's out of my hands though.

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« Reply #407 on: April 11, 2014, 04:11:26 AM »
What in the blue hell are you lot talking about?
We are talking about what gravity really is. I'm the genius behind it and have awarded myself a Nobel prize for my efforts.
Wake up scepti.  How many people are smarter than you?
Nobody is smarter than me. Nobody is less smarter than me. We are all smart in our own ways. You are even smart.
One man he felt smart, two men they felt smart, three men they felt smart and they all felt smart together.
Then we are all geniuses and we are all going to get a Nobel prize.
If you so desire it you can also make one. Mine is stood on my shelf in full view of everyone that walks into the huge room.
How appropriate a fake Nobel prize for a fake person for a fake flat earth.

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« Reply #408 on: April 11, 2014, 04:15:24 AM »

How appropriate a fake Nobel prize for a fake person for a fake flat earth.
It's not fake. It's my Nobel prize, I was awarded it from the owner of a club I go to, called the Alfred Nobel foundation. He loved my ideas and said my contributions to alternative thinking has been a revelation, so he gave me a prize and a certificate, which I framed.
If you have a Nobel living near you, maybe he can give you one.

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« Reply #409 on: April 11, 2014, 04:20:52 AM »
Hey when are you going on your trip to N. Korea? I would like to come just for a party. Would that be cool to tag along with you? I think you said your going in 2 weeks right? It is a country I never been. Been to S. Korea.

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« Reply #410 on: April 11, 2014, 04:20:59 AM »

How appropriate a fake Nobel prize for a fake person for a fake flat earth.
It's not fake. It's my Nobel prize, I was awarded it from the owner of a club I go to, called the Alfred Nobel foundation. He loved my ideas and said my contributions to alternative thinking has been a revelation, so he gave me a prize and a certificate, which I framed.
If you have a Nobel living near you, maybe he can give you one.
It is still a fake.

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« Reply #411 on: April 11, 2014, 04:22:08 AM »
Seriously though...

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« Reply #412 on: April 11, 2014, 05:01:48 AM »
It stemmed from your statement that air has no weight.  As to whether it's relevant?  Hmmm...
Remember one thing. Weight of anything is only relevant to what we read on a scale or what we feel as a force if we pick up any dense object. If you hold your hand out, you never say that you have any weight in it and for that reason air to you weighs nothing until you actually see the effects of that nothing. Basically it is NOT relevant to this experiment, at all.

Ok, so air has no weight unless I weigh it. Pressure is equal in all directions unless I cause a force to act on it, s then why does my arm get tired if I hold it out?

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« Reply #413 on: April 11, 2014, 05:10:08 AM »
Hey when are you going on your trip to N. Korea? I would like to come just for a party. Would that be cool to tag along with you? I think you said your going in 2 weeks right? It is a country I never been. Been to S. Korea.
I'll see if I can get you clearance but it might not be this time around. You can come in 6 months when I will be back there. Just you though, ok?
Don't worry about money, just bring your clothing you need and nothing else.

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« Reply #414 on: April 11, 2014, 05:11:27 AM »
Since there aren't many American bands there, can we get the Great Leader to come to our gigs?
I'm not that powerful. If he takes a liking to your music he could summon you to his place and have you play for him on special occasions.
Yes, I understand sometime he get's #ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">so ronery that he needs to have a few friends round.
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« Reply #415 on: April 11, 2014, 05:11:44 AM »
Hey when are you going on your trip to N. Korea? I would like to come just for a party. Would that be cool to tag along with you? I think you said your going in 2 weeks right? It is a country I never been. Been to S. Korea.
I'll see if I can get you clearance but it might not be this time around. You can come in 6 months when I will be back there. Just you though, ok?
Don't worry about money, just bring your clothing you need and nothing else.

haha that'd scare the crap outa me. I wont travel a couple hundred miles without access to money.

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« Reply #416 on: April 11, 2014, 05:12:04 AM »
It stemmed from your statement that air has no weight.  As to whether it's relevant?  Hmmm...
Remember one thing. Weight of anything is only relevant to what we read on a scale or what we feel as a force if we pick up any dense object. If you hold your hand out, you never say that you have any weight in it and for that reason air to you weighs nothing until you actually see the effects of that nothing. Basically it is NOT relevant to this experiment, at all.

Ok, so air has no weight unless I weigh it. Pressure is equal in all directions unless I cause a force to act on it, s then why does my arm get tired if I hold it out?
Because your arm is pushing against that pressure. You are literally holding that pressure back with the density of your arm.

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« Reply #417 on: April 11, 2014, 05:13:22 AM »
It stemmed from your statement that air has no weight.  As to whether it's relevant?  Hmmm...
Remember one thing. Weight of anything is only relevant to what we read on a scale or what we feel as a force if we pick up any dense object. If you hold your hand out, you never say that you have any weight in it and for that reason air to you weighs nothing until you actually see the effects of that nothing. Basically it is NOT relevant to this experiment, at all.

Ok, so air has no weight unless I weigh it. Pressure is equal in all directions unless I cause a force to act on it, s then why does my arm get tired if I hold it out?
Because your arm is pushing against that pressure. You are literally holding that pressure back with the density of your arm.

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« Reply #418 on: April 11, 2014, 05:14:21 AM »
It stemmed from your statement that air has no weight.  As to whether it's relevant?  Hmmm...
Remember one thing. Weight of anything is only relevant to what we read on a scale or what we feel as a force if we pick up any dense object. If you hold your hand out, you never say that you have any weight in it and for that reason air to you weighs nothing until you actually see the effects of that nothing. Basically it is NOT relevant to this experiment, at all.

Ok, so air has no weight unless I weigh it. Pressure is equal in all directions unless I cause a force to act on it, s then why does my arm get tired if I hold it out?
Because your arm is pushing against that pressure. You are literally holding that pressure back with the density of your arm.

but there's pressure under my arm too. But ok, then why doesn't my whole body feel like it's being squeezed all day long?

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« Reply #419 on: April 11, 2014, 05:14:29 AM »
Hey when are you going on your trip to N. Korea? I would like to come just for a party. Would that be cool to tag along with you? I think you said your going in 2 weeks right? It is a country I never been. Been to S. Korea.
I'll see if I can get you clearance but it might not be this time around. You can come in 6 months when I will be back there. Just you though, ok?
Don't worry about money, just bring your clothing you need and nothing else.

Sure man. I would love to come. Are you going to spread the FET doctrine over there? Does The Great Leader approve of it?