Denpressure fails again.

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Re: Denpressure fails again.
« Reply #270 on: April 09, 2014, 07:59:34 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

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« Reply #271 on: April 09, 2014, 08:02:42 AM »
We have talked about this. I've shown you the evidence already. Mercurys periphelion orbit, gravitational lensing, the measurement of atomic clocks in space vs. Earth and many more predictive instances.

By relative sequence events I mean exactly what it sounds like. Events taking place in a particular order and how they are relative. The rate at which events take place is as affected by mass as space is.
So basically you have no clue what gravity is, just that you are told a load of flannel that actually makes no sense and proves absolutely nothing with not a scrap of evidence.

Incorrect. I've just shown you evidence. It is evidence that you can see yourself with a telescope. The fact that you aren't interested in at least attempting to understand any of this and see for yourself is very telling. You aren't interested in the truth. You're just a sensationalist with an appetite for grasping at any straw that contradicts the truth.

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« Reply #272 on: April 09, 2014, 08:03:04 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?
What is pulling or pushing the air down to cause the atmospheric pressure?

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« Reply #273 on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:13 AM »
No, because according to your theory, I should be displacing as much air walking on a flat surface, as I do walking up a hill, or down a hill. After all, my total surface area isn't changing in those three situations, and yet, you claimed earlier that it's "harder" to go up because of the pressure, than it is to go down, which obviously, if I'm displacing the same amount of air, and it's an equal but opposite reaction, that the effect should be the same.
Try and get your head around what I'm about to say.
When you are walking on a flat surface you lift your leg slightly to put your foot forward. The second you lift that leg, the pressure acts on it to push it down and very soon it hits the deck and then you straighten yout thigh as you bring your other leg forward as you lever off the straight leg. Right?
You can see that you are not really bending your thigh at much of an angle as you walk as opposed to running.  With running you raise your thigh up higher which is why you get tired more easily, as well as other matters, because you are displacing more air pressure with your thighs pushing up higher.
Walking up a hill is similar, because you have to lift your thigh much higher which means you have to push your head and shoulder upwards much more into the pressure which naturally puts a lot of stress on your thigh.
Do you see what I'm saying.

So, if i just shuffle my feet along the floor, I will get tired less quickly than someone who is walking "normally" I'll get less tired than them?
If you shuffle your feet along the floor you will get tired as quickly, maybe even more because you are creating a massive amount of friction of your feet on a SOLID surface, the very surface that is stopping the pressure above from pushing you into the ground that is counteracted by your feet.

But you just said that the reason i get more tired from walking up steps, or up a hill is because I need to lift my leg HIGHER to press down on it, if i'm not lifting my leg, much at all That should mean I'm reducing the drain on my energy the least.

Ok, so try this. Let's say I'm walking, on a flat surface, lifting my leg just to the point that I COULD walk up a hill. I then do start walking up a hill, do I get more tired?

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« Reply #274 on: April 09, 2014, 08:28:36 AM »
We have talked about this. I've shown you the evidence already. Mercurys periphelion orbit, gravitational lensing, the measurement of atomic clocks in space vs. Earth and many more predictive instances.

By relative sequence events I mean exactly what it sounds like. Events taking place in a particular order and how they are relative. The rate at which events take place is as affected by mass as space is.
So basically you have no clue what gravity is, just that you are told a load of flannel that actually makes no sense and proves absolutely nothing with not a scrap of evidence.

Incorrect. I've just shown you evidence. It is evidence that you can see yourself with a telescope. The fact that you aren't interested in at least attempting to understand any of this and see for yourself is very telling. You aren't interested in the truth. You're just a sensationalist with an appetite for grasping at any straw that contradicts the truth.
Actually I'm extremely interested in the truth. What I'm not interested in is the fantastical bull crap that's been spewed to us over our entire lives
My argument is not with you or anyone on here over that. Mine is to get to the truth by bypassing the fed bull crap.
You say there is evidence because you are told tehre is; nothing more than that. You can not see gravity with a telescope or see it's effects. You can see illuminations in the dark sky and you can assume that what they tell us is correct, that's all you can go on.
Why believe in something that cannot be explained as to what it actually is, by anyone?
If you took the time to understand the power of atmospheric pressure, I believe you would take a different stance. You're certainly far from illogical and appear to have the thinking power to do this.
Your major obstacle is your reliance on scientific explanations that in many cases you have known to be so wrong by scientific people themselves backtracking.

My theory explains EVERYTHING that happens on Earth. It can't explain what happens in space or your rotating Earth, so the question is, WHY?
There's a very good reason why. It's because the space you see is not what you are told. The problem is, it's a mass view against very few, so that wins the day for anyone not willing to actually look at the other avenues.

Even as an experiment for one year, I think it would benefit you and others to actually take a different view and expend a little of your time analysing it to see what really does make more logical sense.
It's far too easy to simply call those who think outside the box; nutters, I'm well aware of that.
I can tell you one thing for absolute certain. If I was adamant on a rotating Earth and all of the scientific bull crap that's been spewed to me and followed it unconditionally, I would not come anywhere near any forum to argue in its favour. I would simply go about my business knowing what I know and be in simple acceptance.
I certainly would not be coming to a forum to try and make people believe in a rotating globe, so my question is this: What makes a person want to argue against someone they believe is a stark raving lunatic with a theory if they believe that theory to be so pathetic that it deserves total ridicule?

It makes no sense for people to come on just about every day to argue against this stuff. i can understand a drive by person signing up just to pm you and call you a nutter or someone coming on to lull you into answering a question, then typing out something ridiculous to me then flitting away.

Anyone arguing with me  or other people they think are lunatics can only be one of two things.

1. They see something in the thought process and are interested in actually piecing it together.
2. They are unstable and are actually as nutty as the people they believe are nuts.
Which one are you?
In fact, which one are all of you naive globulites?

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Re: Denpressure fails again.
« Reply #275 on: April 09, 2014, 08:36:08 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?
What is pulling or pushing the air down to cause the atmospheric pressure?
Ejected matter from within the Earth builds up in a stack which compresses anything below as it builds.
It's like you laid in a swimming pool and people shovelling sand into it. At first you are ok until the sand reaches your neck in which case you feel that pressure all around you. then it builds up over your head (assuming you could breathe under it) and higher and higher it goes, until you feel that pressure build up start to compress you. The sand at the very top would be under no pressure at all (assuming a vacuum above the swimming pool) and this would be expanded and frozen, assuming it was a molecule equilvalent of our atmosphere.

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« Reply #276 on: April 09, 2014, 08:37:58 AM »
It [Atmospheric Pressure] is acting equally in all directions.


What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

Do you see why this makes no sense?  It is either acting equally in all directions, or it is not.  Which is it? 

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« Reply #277 on: April 09, 2014, 08:40:43 AM »
It [Atmospheric Pressure] is acting equally in all directions.


What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

Do you see why this makes no sense?  It is either acting equally in all directions, or it is not.  Which is it?
I've just told you it's acting equally in all directions. How many times do I need to say this? This is assuming perfection. Obviously temperature changes will alter it but it, as in weather, winds, etc.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 08:42:30 AM by sceptimatic »

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« Reply #278 on: April 09, 2014, 08:42:40 AM »
It [Atmospheric Pressure] is acting equally in all directions.


What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

Do you see why this makes no sense?  It is either acting equally in all directions, or it is not.  Which is it?
I've just told you it's acting equally in all directions. How many times do I need to say this?

Then what pushes down?

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Re: Denpressure fails again.
« Reply #279 on: April 09, 2014, 08:43:54 AM »
It [Atmospheric Pressure] is acting equally in all directions.


What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

Do you see why this makes no sense?  It is either acting equally in all directions, or it is not.  Which is it?
I've just told you it's acting equally in all directions. How many times do I need to say this?

Then what pushes down?
I've just explained to starman how it works in  fashion, to make it more understandable.

Re: Denpressure fails again.
« Reply #280 on: April 09, 2014, 08:44:34 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?
What is pulling or pushing the air down to cause the atmospheric pressure?
Ejected matter from within the Earth builds up in a stack which compresses anything below as it builds.
It's like you laid in a swimming pool and people shovelling sand into it. At first you are ok until the sand reaches your neck in which case you feel that pressure all around you. then it builds up over your head (assuming you could breathe under it) and higher and higher it goes, until you feel that pressure build up start to compress you. The sand at the very top would be under no pressure at all (assuming a vacuum above the swimming pool) and this would be expanded and frozen, assuming it was a molecule equilvalent of our atmosphere.
This is one of the basic things that you cannot explain. Why does "ejected matter from within the Earth" (whatever that means) compress what is below? Atmospheric pressure, as you said yourself, is acting in all directions equally. It cannot be responsible for this.

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« Reply #281 on: April 09, 2014, 08:49:05 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?
What is pulling or pushing the air down to cause the atmospheric pressure?
Ejected matter from within the Earth builds up in a stack which compresses anything below as it builds.
It's like you laid in a swimming pool and people shovelling sand into it. At first you are ok until the sand reaches your neck in which case you feel that pressure all around you. then it builds up over your head (assuming you could breathe under it) and higher and higher it goes, until you feel that pressure build up start to compress you. The sand at the very top would be under no pressure at all (assuming a vacuum above the swimming pool) and this would be expanded and frozen, assuming it was a molecule equilvalent of our atmosphere.
This is one of the basic things that you cannot explain. Why does "ejected matter from within the Earth" (whatever that means) compress what is below? Atmospheric pressure, as you said yourself, is acting in all directions equally. It cannot be responsible for this.
It acts in all direction against any mass that enters into it.

Why do you think gold is so dense?
Why are woods different densities?
Where do they all come from?

What wood is denser. I very tall thick tree or a smaller thinner tree?
Think about all this and you might realise what pressure actually is and why it works on everything acting against it.

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« Reply #282 on: April 09, 2014, 09:11:19 AM »

What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?
What is pulling or pushing the air down to cause the atmospheric pressure?
Ejected matter from within the Earth builds up in a stack which compresses anything below as it builds.
It's like you laid in a swimming pool and people shovelling sand into it. At first you are ok until the sand reaches your neck in which case you feel that pressure all around you. then it builds up over your head (assuming you could breathe under it) and higher and higher it goes, until you feel that pressure build up start to compress you. The sand at the very top would be under no pressure at all (assuming a vacuum above the swimming pool) and this would be expanded and frozen, assuming it was a molecule equilvalent of our atmosphere.
This is one of the basic things that you cannot explain. Why does "ejected matter from within the Earth" (whatever that means) compress what is below? Atmospheric pressure, as you said yourself, is acting in all directions equally. It cannot be responsible for this.
It acts in all direction against any mass that enters into it.

Why do you think gold is so dense?
Why are woods different densities?
Where do they all come from?

What wood is denser. I very tall thick tree or a smaller thinner tree?
Think about all this and you might realise what pressure actually is and why it works on everything acting against it.

A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
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« Reply #283 on: April 09, 2014, 09:37:52 AM »
It is acting equally in all directions. The only difference is that the force above acts to push all objects into the ground resisted by the forces around the object and under it.
OK, so the forces are equal.  Why do things fall to earth then?

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Once you use energy to push any object up you are creating the same force to push it back down whilst being squeezed at the sides and pushed up against by the air under it, which creates resistance as it's pushed out of the way.
I don't understand this at all.  In my example a person is on cliff, they have been wondering around all day up there before they step off.  They will not have some bit of "squeezed air" above the.  If, when they step off, pressure is acting equally in all directions, do they dall downwards and not just float off?
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« Reply #284 on: April 09, 2014, 09:52:14 AM »
It [Atmospheric Pressure] is acting equally in all directions.


What is the force on the top are you talking about that is pushing things down?
Atmospheric pressure. How many times do you feel you need to be told this?

Do you see why this makes no sense?  It is either acting equally in all directions, or it is not.  Which is it?
I've just told you it's acting equally in all directions. How many times do I need to say this?

Then what pushes down?
I've just explained to starman how it works in  fashion, to make it more understandable.

No, you haven't explained anything, you've just made a word salad of pseudoscience nonsense - I've been here two days and so far you've said it was like a rubber floor covering, Like water in a tall building, like a goo that surrounds us, now like sand in a swimming pool, and that it acts on things equally in all directions but presses down more on the top things, somehow makes  things fall because they want to go back to where they came from, but not to where they actually came from, just down in general because that is where the earth is and things come from the earth in general, also walking uphill is harder because you lift your legs more and it also makes certain trees skinny and certain trees large because of air pressure? 

This somehow makes sense to you? 


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Re: Denpressure fails again.
« Reply #285 on: April 09, 2014, 10:09:20 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.

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« Reply #286 on: April 09, 2014, 10:10:08 AM »
It is acting equally in all directions. The only difference is that the force above acts to push all objects into the ground resisted by the forces around the object and under it.
OK, so the forces are equal.  Why do things fall to earth then?

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Once you use energy to push any object up you are creating the same force to push it back down whilst being squeezed at the sides and pushed up against by the air under it, which creates resistance as it's pushed out of the way.
I don't understand this at all.  In my example a person is on cliff, they have been wondering around all day up there before they step off.  They will not have some bit of "squeezed air" above the.  If, when they step off, pressure is acting equally in all directions, do they dall downwards and not just float off?
You are forgetting about yourself already displacing that air no matter where you stand.

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« Reply #287 on: April 09, 2014, 10:11:35 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?

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« Reply #288 on: April 09, 2014, 10:12:58 AM »
No, you haven't explained anything, you've just made a word salad of pseudoscience nonsense - I've been here two days and so far you've said it was like a rubber floor covering, Like water in a tall building, like a goo that surrounds us, now like sand in a swimming pool, and that it acts on things equally in all directions but presses down more on the top things, somehow makes  things fall because they want to go back to where they came from, but not to where they actually came from, just down in general because that is where the earth is and things come from the earth in general, also walking uphill is harder because you lift your legs more and it also makes certain trees skinny and certain trees large because of air pressure? 

This somehow makes sense to you?
I can't help someone like you understand if you can't get a grip on analogies and actually take them for being the actual thing.
If you can't grasp what I'm getting at then don't even attempt to. Just stick to your unexplainable gravity that makes no sense at all.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 10:15:23 AM by sceptimatic »

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« Reply #289 on: April 09, 2014, 10:14:23 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
I mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
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« Reply #290 on: April 09, 2014, 10:16:29 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
UI mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
What do you claim?

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« Reply #291 on: April 09, 2014, 10:17:39 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
UI mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
What do you claim?
I claim the scales will read less weight.

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« Reply #292 on: April 09, 2014, 10:20:23 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
UI mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
What do you claim?
I claim the scales will read less weight.
And the same applies to objects under varying atmospheric pressure?

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« Reply #293 on: April 09, 2014, 10:25:54 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
UI mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
What do you claim?
I claim the scales will read less weight.
And the same applies to objects under varying atmospheric pressure?
As long as it's a big enough change yes. Up your stairs is no yardstick and you know this.

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« Reply #294 on: April 09, 2014, 10:28:17 AM »


A small, thin tree, is likely to be a younger tree, so your comparison is void. A better question would be which tree is denser, Tree species x at 5 years, with a height of H, or tree species y at 5 years, with a height of 1/2h

edit: I'm in a .giffy mood this week, so I'm going to make an animation to show you what my/our problem(s) are with your idea, scepti
Ok, you show me where you think I'm wrong and I'll correct you.
What was the outcome of the weight of an object in a vacuum?
Do the experiment and see for yourself. Doesn't one of you super scientists have an evacuation chamber?
UI mean you are all experts on everything, so what's with that?
What do you claim?
I claim the scales will read less weight.
And the same applies to objects under varying atmospheric pressure?
As long as it's a big enough change yes. Up your stairs is no yardstick and you know this.
This means an object weighing 1000g today could be 950g next week.

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« Reply #295 on: April 09, 2014, 10:31:32 AM »

This means an object weighing 1000g today could be 950g next week.
Yes, as long as you didn't touch the scales.

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« Reply #296 on: April 09, 2014, 10:35:59 AM »

This means an object weighing 1000g today could be 950g next week.
Yes, as long as you didn't touch the scales.
Have you proved this?

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« Reply #297 on: April 09, 2014, 10:37:36 AM »

This means an object weighing 1000g today could be 950g next week.
Yes, as long as you didn't touch the scales.
Have you proved this?
Yes.

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« Reply #298 on: April 09, 2014, 10:39:55 AM »
No, you haven't explained anything, you've just made a word salad of pseudoscience nonsense - I've been here two days and so far you've said it was like a rubber floor covering, Like water in a tall building, like a goo that surrounds us, now like sand in a swimming pool, and that it acts on things equally in all directions but presses down more on the top things, somehow makes  things fall because they want to go back to where they came from, but not to where they actually came from, just down in general because that is where the earth is and things come from the earth in general, also walking uphill is harder because you lift your legs more and it also makes certain trees skinny and certain trees large because of air pressure? 

This somehow makes sense to you?
I can't help someone like you understand if you can't get a grip on analogies and actually take them for being the actual thing.
If you can't grasp what I'm getting at then don't even attempt to. Just stick to your unexplainable gravity that makes no sense at all.

I understand analogies just fine.  I don't understand your analogies.

Please explain how air pressure makes some trees skinny and some trees thick.

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« Reply #299 on: April 09, 2014, 10:40:40 AM »

This means an object weighing 1000g today could be 950g next week.
Yes, as long as you didn't touch the scales.
Have you proved this?
Yes.
What figures did you see?