What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #180 on: April 19, 2014, 03:51:53 PM »
So if I'm reading this correctly, you're claiming that every one of those 533 people who've viewed the planet from earth-orbit altitude, and the 12 astronauts who've walked on the moon are all lying?  Bearing in mind that they come from around 20 different countries (with often opposing politico-military leanings)?  For what specific purposes would they be (allegedly) lying about the geometry of the planet?
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No, I said they BELIEVE they are hundreds of miles above the Earth (on the ISS) but in reality, they aren't.  You know, a psychological trip like one of those Disneyland rides.  LOL  Who knows with the 12 moon men.  They could all be lying Freemasons...we know some of them were.  Moon rocks don't mean squat.  They could be taken from Antarctica or some other place few humans have ever been.
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« Reply #181 on: April 19, 2014, 04:01:56 PM »
Think of all the people in the world that make money from filling us all full of absolute bull crap, from mediums to faith healers and so on and these people don't think a bunch of people can put on a space suit for pictures, then sit and badly lie about fake exploits. lol
Naive is an understatement with some of these.

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« Reply #182 on: April 20, 2014, 12:01:28 PM »
Think of all the people in the world that make money from filling us all full of absolute bull crap, from mediums to faith healers and so on and these people don't think a bunch of people can put on a space suit for pictures, then sit and badly lie about fake exploits. lol
Naive is an understatement with some of these.

Oh, like Rowbotham, the known con artist?

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« Reply #183 on: April 20, 2014, 08:44:48 PM »
No, I said they BELIEVE they are hundreds of miles above the Earth (on the ISS) but in reality, they aren't.  You know, a psychological trip like one of those Disneyland rides.  LOL  Who knows with the 12 moon men.
So you're seriously suggesting that highly technically trained astronauts could be fooled by a Disneyland-type ride?  Is that really the best that flat earthers can claim LOL.

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Moon rocks don't mean squat.  They could be taken from Antarctica or some other place few humans have ever been.
Apparently you missed the part of my comment wherein I said that when you consider NASA's collection of moon rocks brought back to earth by various missions, and which have totally different chemical compositions to any to rocks found on earth which thereby refutes any claims of fraud.

You really need to consider more thoroughly what people are actually writing rather than jumping to your own erroneous conclusions.

So... how would you explain the totally different rock composition?  And please don't suggest Antarctica again where, literally, thousands—not a "few"—people have been.


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« Reply #185 on: April 21, 2014, 04:04:14 AM »
I was watching a film,"transformers, dark side of the moon" and I thought, "wow, the special effects are amazing." I then looked at the flashbacks of the moonlanding scenario, as they were showing during the start of the film and it looked like they were on the moon, with the lander and everything, except more clear and a bit more hi-tech.
I then saw the scene where the transformers are waiting to get off the planet in a shuttle. It showed the shuttle, with a few extras added to it, on the launch pad, ready to take off.
It all looked so real. Watch the film, it really opens your eyes at how anything can be made to look real.
Anyone who hasn't seen the film...watch it and tell me that things can't be manipulated to show us what they want to show us.
The only difference between watching films like this and watching supposed reality, is, one is told to you in fictional terms and lets you know that. The other is told to you as real and forces that mindset onto you.

So what pictures or video can be deemed credible? The real answer, is, none, unless you decide what you want to decide.

Oh, one more thing. Guess who had a small part to play in the film? It was Buzz Aldrin.  ;D
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« Reply #186 on: April 21, 2014, 04:13:59 AM »
Nothing is ever fake to REers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
The actual truth regarding that incident:

The Apollo 11 crew were on a goodwill tour, and on their visit to the Netherlands the AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to the country presented a gift of a piece of petrified wood to the then Prime Minister. THEY knew it was petrified wood, and the PM knew it was petrified wood. Such trinkets are common in the American Southwest, and not usually found many places elsewhere on Earth. So, it was merely a representative gift from the country of the United States, not ever presented as a piece of the Moon! 
None of the actual Lunar samples that were gifted to foreign nations and individuals were anywhere near the size of that fist-sized rock!

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« Reply #187 on: April 21, 2014, 04:19:29 AM »
Nothing is ever fake to REers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
The actual truth regarding that incident:

The Apollo 11 crew were on a goodwill tour, and on their visit to the Netherlands the AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to the country presented a gift of a piece of petrified wood to the then Prime Minister. THEY knew it was petrified wood, and the PM knew it was petrified wood. Such trinkets are common in the American Southwest, and not usually found many places elsewhere on Earth. So, it was merely a representative gift from the country of the United States, not ever presented as a piece of the Moon! 
None of the actual Lunar samples that were gifted to foreign nations and individuals were anywhere near the size of that fist-sized rock!
You do an absolute terrible job of trying to convince people. If anything, you're more inclined to make people seriously question the authenticity of it all, rather than convince them  of lies being truths.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #188 on: April 21, 2014, 04:34:00 AM »
Nothing is ever fake to REers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
The actual truth regarding that incident:

The Apollo 11 crew were on a goodwill tour, and on their visit to the Netherlands the AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to the country presented a gift of a piece of petrified wood to the then Prime Minister. THEY knew it was petrified wood, and the PM knew it was petrified wood. Such trinkets are common in the American Southwest, and not usually found many places elsewhere on Earth. So, it was merely a representative gift from the country of the United States, not ever presented as a piece of the Moon! 
None of the actual Lunar samples that were gifted to foreign nations and individuals were anywhere near the size of that fist-sized rock!
You do an absolute terrible job of trying to convince people. If anything, you're more inclined to make people seriously question the authenticity of it all, rather than convince them  of lies being truths.
Works for me. The one thing about conspiracy theorist they make assumptions and then it starts to look like facts. It circulates like wildfire because it looks like NASA is evil. Before you know it, a guy like tappet thinks he found proof that the moon landing never happen. You guy are so gullible with your own theories.

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« Reply #189 on: April 21, 2014, 05:08:01 AM »
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html

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« Reply #190 on: April 21, 2014, 05:11:34 AM »
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html
I thought you did not believe in satellites. So which one is it? The story is true or satellites are real?

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« Reply #191 on: April 21, 2014, 05:20:10 AM »
Works for me. The one thing about conspiracy theorist they make assumptions and then it starts to look like facts. It circulates like wildfire because it looks like NASA is evil. Before you know it, a guy like tappet thinks he found proof that the moon landing never happen. You guy are so gullible with your own theories.
Whilst I agree that we can all be gullible with our theories (as none of us know the real truth)...you have to have the mind to sort the wheat from the chaff when you can plainly see how to separate the stand out parts.
Normal everyday people can see things amiss with a lot of stuff and it has nothing with their thoughts on Earth shape.
There's gullible and there's unconditional gullibility. You display the latter, as do a lot of your little friends.

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« Reply #192 on: April 21, 2014, 05:31:41 AM »
Ok, maybe that was a bad example.  How about Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster and Chupacadra in Mexico.  Photos have been shown of those and they have not been proven to be fraudulent to my knowledge.  I mean, currently there is a tv series that investigates Big Foot sightings.

And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html

And if you zoom out a bit on that, you can clearly see a boat traveling directly through that area.

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« Reply #193 on: April 21, 2014, 07:07:23 AM »
I was watching a film,"transformers, dark side of the moon" and I thought, "wow, the special effects are amazing." I then looked at the flashbacks of the moonlanding scenario, as they were showing during the start of the film and it looked like they were on the moon, with the lander and everything, except more clear and a bit more hi-tech.
I then saw the scene where the transformers are waiting to get off the planet in a shuttle. It showed the shuttle, with a few extras added to it, on the launch pad, ready to take off.
It all looked so real. Watch the film, it really opens your eyes at how anything can be made to look real.
Anyone who hasn't seen the film...watch it and tell me that things can't be manipulated to show us what they want to show us.
The only difference between watching films like this and watching supposed reality, is, one is told to you in fictional terms and lets you know that. The other is told to you as real and forces that mindset onto you.

So what pictures or video can be deemed credible? The real answer, is, none, unless you decide what you want to decide.

Oh, one more thing. Guess who had a small part to play in the film? It was Buzz Aldrin.  ;D
I love those Transformers movies.  And this is an example of why people shouldn't be so gullible and trusting of what they see on a screen.

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« Reply #194 on: April 21, 2014, 07:16:03 AM »
And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html
I thought you did not believe in satellites. So which one is it? The story is true or satellites are real?
You're right, I don't.  I just wanted to show an example how people can take a photo of something and people either accept it without question, they perpetuate the myth for money, or they investigate it.  I admire those who investigate and look for other possible explanations.  Most people are gullible fools.

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« Reply #195 on: April 21, 2014, 07:25:51 AM »
And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html
I thought you did not believe in satellites. So which one is it? The story is true or satellites are real?
You're right, I don't.  I just wanted to show an example how people can take a photo of something and people either accept it without question, they perpetuate the myth for money, or they investigate it.  I admire those who investigate and look for other possible explanations.  Most people are gullible fools.
If you do not believe in satellites then maybe you could explain how satellite TV works.

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« Reply #196 on: April 21, 2014, 07:33:35 AM »
And have you ever actually SEEN them with a sighting? I know i watched a couple of marathons for a while of it before, and not once did I ever see a clear, viable shot of it. And a fair number of photos of a lot have things, have been debunked and proven as either fakes, or misidentification of things.

The problem, as has been stated by many RE's before, is that you can't prove a negative. We can say there's no evidence for bigfoot, we can't say he doesn't exist.

I am an extreme sceptic of outrageous claims, its why i stop watching a lot of these "search" for shows (and i've watched quite a few of them), if they end every show with "we may not have found <blank this time> but we may never know", I know they're just trying to perpetuate the belief.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/apple-maps-discovers-loch-ness-monster-world-discovers-190900038.html
I thought you did not believe in satellites. So which one is it? The story is true or satellites are real?
You're right, I don't.  I just wanted to show an example how people can take a photo of something and people either accept it without question, they perpetuate the myth for money, or they investigate it.  I admire those who investigate and look for other possible explanations.  Most people are gullible fools.
The people that make wrong conclusion are people like you. You look at a picture and go in this fake, suspicious with crazy mode. Most people don't believe those stores. It is like the tabloids.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #197 on: April 21, 2014, 07:50:54 AM »
No, starman, you're wrong. It's not about just looking at a picture and deciding it's fake. It's about starting from a certain point with something. For instance: If you see that something  looks fine, then there is no reason to assume anything other, unless you have seen other pictures that you can pick holes in or don't appear to show reality, or basically look like mock up pictures.

If you showed me a picture of you with a painted sky and sea behind you and you were stood on a beach in a very skimpy bright yellow mankini, with spiders legs hanging out the sides, yet all you were stood on was a small portion of a stage covered in sand; I would look at the picture and think, "hmmm, what's that queer looking old man doing in that picture, which looks as if he's on some sunny beach, except, somehow, it looks a bit fake."
If I then said to you, "look, starman, I don't believe you were on a sunny beach...it looks like it's a stage set"...you could say, " ok, it's a fair cop...I had this picture taken to make out I was with ausGeoff on a sunny beach in Australia in one of Geoff's mankini's, so I could impress all the people on the flat Earth society."
Some dummy could come along, before you actually admitted to the deception...'you know'...someone like; Inquisitive and he would say, "wow,starman, nice picture, it looks so lovely where you are and your mankini looks fabulous on you; did you beam that live by satellite back to your Canadian friends."

You know; things like that.

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« Reply #198 on: April 21, 2014, 08:03:15 AM »
HAHAHAHA  :D  HIL ARIOUS!   I can't stop smiling.   ;D

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« Reply #199 on: April 21, 2014, 08:05:07 AM »
No, starman, you're wrong. It's not about just looking at a picture and deciding it's fake. It's about starting from a certain point with something. For instance: If you see that something  looks fine, then there is no reason to assume anything other, unless you have seen other pictures that you can pick holes in or don't appear to show reality, or basically look like mock up pictures.

If you showed me a picture of you with a painted sky and sea behind you and you were stood on a beach in a very skimpy bright yellow mankini, with spiders legs hanging out the sides, yet all you were stood on was a small portion of a stage covered in sand; I would look at the picture and think, "hmmm, what's that queer looking old man doing in that picture, which looks as if he's on some sunny beach, except, somehow, it looks a bit fake."
If I then said to you, "look, starman, I don't believe you were on a sunny beach...it looks like it's a stage set"...you could say, " ok, it's a fair cop...I had this picture taken to make out I was with ausGeoff on a sunny beach in Australia in one of Geoff's mankini's, so I could impress all the people on the flat Earth society."
Some dummy could come along, before you actually admitted to the deception...'you know'...someone like; Inquisitive and he would say, "wow,starman, nice picture, it looks so lovely where you are and your mankini looks fabulous on you; did you beam that live by satellite back to your Canadian friends."

You know; things like that.
I understand that but on the picture it could be anything. There is always people that love to sensationalize things like that. That is why they called the Lockness monster. So in the end why was the article posted here?

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« Reply #200 on: April 21, 2014, 08:35:09 AM »

I understand that but on the picture it could be anything. There is always people that love to sensationalize things like that. That is why they called the Lockness monster. So in the end why was the article posted here?
Because the topic is about pictures and video being deemed credible or not. We all don't perceive things to be the same no matter how much shouting and screaming is done with each person saying, "but surely you can see it's fake." The fact is, it all depends on the person and how they are basically set up in life.

You can see things as being real, because that's what your mind accepts, because you probably haven't really had to be put in any situations that's gave you any reason to question.
You said you talked to astronauts on the ISS and you firmly believe that without question. So anyone coming along and saying that the ISS is fake or the pictures are fake, or video is...it will be met with scorn from you. Even when video evidence shows anomalies , you will argue that they are legit, with no problems that you can see.

It's like being at the pub with a good friend who is the kindest most giving person in there, plus the most placid.
If someone took you aside and said, " ahh, you know him do you?" and you say, " yeah, he's a top bloke, what you see is what you get and kind hearted with it all."
If you were then to be told that your good friend beats the crap out of his wife on a regular basis...you are going to go into defensive mode and maybe tell the person to politely piss off as you are not listening to idle gossip.
If over time, other people kept mentioning the wife beater, you would then have two choices. You can plug your ears and close your eyes, not believing a word, or you can start to wonder if the person you're sitting with, is not the person you thought he was.
10 years down the line since seeing your friend, (due to moving into ausGeoffs, maybe), you see a write up about your pub chum on charges of wife battery, spanning decades. Only then would you loosen your mankini and look at ausGeoff and say, " oh my goodness, Geoffrey' you know that mate I used to drink with before I decided to stay with you in sunny Australia?" And Geoffrey would say, " yeah, what about it cobber?" And you would say, "the people were right, he was a wife beater and I just didn't bloody listen, sport." Then Geoffrey would say, "ok, cobber, but stop acting all Australian with this sport nonsense; you're Canadian and it should teach you a lesson to start listening."
From this point on, you could then decide that your conversations with your anti gravity acrobatic astronaut friends, may not be what you thought and they could be talking to you whilst sitting in a tea room at NASA, filling you full of any old guff.

Do you see what I mean, starman?

Of course; the opposite could happen and the whispers could be idle gossip. The point is; you will never know, unless you actually start to really take a good look. Take a different approach to things, even if it's just for your own peace of mind.
After all; who's going to be the most infuriated if it turns out we have been fed a load of clap trap? Me or you?
You see; I will simply say, "ah well, there you go, we found out it was bull crap.2
You will think, " you sly, duping, lying, acting buggers. You had me talking on my ham radio, thinking you were up there. I feel so let down that I'm inclined to run in front of ausGeoff and scream, then pull my mankini to one side and shout, WIGGLE WIGGLE, COBBER, WE'VE BEEN DONE UP LIKE A PAIR OF KIPPERS, COBBER."

Do you see what I'm saying, starman?

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #201 on: April 21, 2014, 08:45:48 AM »
You are telling cute stories I am not interesting to read. People with dough about their beliefs will try very hard to convince others with long stories. What makes you think your world is real? You don't believe in anything. No news, reports, documents and deny almost everything. You have not seen anything that related to any important events. You just stick to you computer and look outside your window. I feel sorry for you.

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« Reply #202 on: April 21, 2014, 08:54:06 AM »
You are telling cute stories I am not interesting to read. People with dough about their beliefs will try very hard to convince others with long stories. What makes you think your world is real? You don't believe in anything. No news, reports, documents and deny almost everything. You have not seen anything that related to any important events. You just stick to you computer and look outside your window. I feel sorry for you.
I don't think money has anything to do with what people believe, but anyway; I used to be like you. I don't mean wearing mankini's; I mean, I used to simply accept everything for what was told. I never thought to question it.
As I got older, that's when I started to see little things that didn't add up, so I delved further. In some ways I wish I hadn't, because it batters your head when you realise just how duped we have been all our lives.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #203 on: April 21, 2014, 09:07:36 AM »
You are telling cute stories I am not interesting to read. People with dough about their beliefs will try very hard to convince others with long stories. What makes you think your world is real? You don't believe in anything. No news, reports, documents and deny almost everything. You have not seen anything that related to any important events. You just stick to you computer and look outside your window. I feel sorry for you.
I don't think money has anything to do with what people believe, but anyway; I used to be like you. I don't mean wearing mankini's; I mean, I used to simply accept everything for what was told. I never thought to question it.
As I got older, that's when I started to see little things that didn't add up, so I delved further. In some ways I wish I hadn't, because it batters your head when you realise just how duped we have been all our lives.
This may comfort you or not but i will never be like you. I never accepted what was told. I questioned and made sure it all made sense based on a lot of other information and facts. You are talking about accepting things at face value. If you did that you were not that smart to begin with. Gathering knowledge is a long process. Some people understand things and some don't. Everything in the RE world fits perfectly with no loos ends and nothing in the FE works. If that is your world I feel sad for you because you live in suspicion of everything. You question everything with dough. That is not a happy way to live and like you said money has nothing to do with it.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #204 on: April 21, 2014, 09:17:47 AM »
You are telling cute stories I am not interesting to read. People with dough about their beliefs will try very hard to convince others with long stories. What makes you think your world is real? You don't believe in anything. No news, reports, documents and deny almost everything. You have not seen anything that related to any important events. You just stick to you computer and look outside your window. I feel sorry for you.
I don't think money has anything to do with what people believe, but anyway; I used to be like you. I don't mean wearing mankini's; I mean, I used to simply accept everything for what was told. I never thought to question it.
As I got older, that's when I started to see little things that didn't add up, so I delved further. In some ways I wish I hadn't, because it batters your head when you realise just how duped we have been all our lives.
This may comfort you or not but i will never be like you. I never accepted what was told. I questioned and made sure it all made sense based on a lot of other information and facts. You are talking about accepting things at face value. If you did that you were not that smart to begin with. Gathering knowledge is a long process. Some people understand things and some don't. Everything in the RE world fits perfectly with no loos ends and nothing in the FE works. If that is your world I feel sad for you because you live in suspicion of everything. You question everything with dough. That is not a happy way to live and like you said money has nothing to do with it.
I don't offer money whilst questioning things, so stop making out I use my wealth to do so, please.
I understand what I need to understand. I leave all the junk out of it, because most of space science is absolute junk theories and calculations.
To calculate anything, you need to know what you are calculating. You are on this site arguing a 240, 000 mile away. moon, a 93 million mile away sun, against a 3000 mile away moon and sun.
On top of that, you are also calculating against the very distinct possibility that the sun and moon are mere reflections, so how do you calculate a reflection?

Of course, you can shout and scream that your calculations you were given are correct. It seems that, so can the flat Earth believers.
Someone is very wrong. Maybe both are very wrong. The point is...someone is for  absolute certain.

By flat Earth calculations, it marries up that their sun and moon are correct. Yet your calculations marry up to make yours correct.
How many more ways can it be correct?

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #205 on: April 21, 2014, 09:22:45 AM »
Nice story by scepster totally disregarding the fact that FE calculation actually don't line up with reality.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #206 on: April 21, 2014, 09:27:57 AM »
Nice story by scepster totally disregarding the fact that FE calculation actually don't line up with reality.
That's basically what I'm getting at. What actually does line up with reality. None of us actually know.


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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #207 on: April 21, 2014, 09:38:23 AM »
Nice story by scepster totally disregarding the fact that FE calculation actually don't line up with reality.
That's basically what I'm getting at. What actually does line up with reality. None of us actually know.

Certainly,  but in the context of this conversation we are simply talking about the accuracy of calculation for providing correct predictions about the cosmos. RE calculations are mind-blowingly correct in this regard. So, for all intents and purposes, it's more correct than anything else. Period.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #208 on: April 21, 2014, 10:03:57 AM »
Here's your proof of a flat Earth. Have a panoramic view of it all and even scroll the horizon to the top and see it's straight. Here's your proof, now stop saying no evidence has been given.

http://www.360cities.net/image/view-from-castello-castelsardo-sardinia#78.73,-19.03,110.0

And how do you think you'll see the 20cm/km curvature on a panorama view from very close to the ground? Of course it appears flat.

And it's a panorama view. The sides are stretched.

The only way to properly see Earth's curvature is from a very high altitude, not from sea level.

Like in this photo:


Taken from the Space Shuttle Endeavour in 2002. They were on the dark side of Earth. You can even see the moon in the distance.

In that case the 'Space Shuttle Endeavour' has a curved tail fin.

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Re: What pictures or videos do FE'ers consider credible.
« Reply #209 on: April 21, 2014, 10:14:41 AM »
Most RE'ers have no problem evaluation pictures or videos of different information as having value or creditability. Now the FE'ers seem to have a strong conspiracy attitude or all pictures are videos are fake or Photoshopped. I will not mention names but some will deny "ALL" pictures or videos. To these people at what point are they reasonable or just denialists. Here is a stating point and my question:"Scepti did the July 7 2005 London Bombing happen".
Here's some examples of why people with a natural intelligence question everything: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> and #t=140" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">#t=140
At about 24:10 on the second video, yet again, a supposedly convex Earth going concave. I suppose, to be a good Russian citizen, you would have to believe anything and everything as told by the so-called 'Government', even when they routinely contradict themselves. Do you believe EVERYTHING your so-called 'Government' tells you? Just one example of 'NO' makes you a ... guess what: a CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!! Why would they lie to you? They wouldn't do THAT would they? Do YOU ever lie?